[02:55] <bjsnider> pepee, know how to make a debdiff?
[02:55] <bjsnider> if not there's a wiki page for it
[02:55] <pepee> bjsnider, reading
[02:56] <bjsnider> coolio
[02:58] <pepee> bjsnider, what's this for? testing that bug?
[02:59] <bjsnider> real good way to get them to accept a patch
[02:59] <bjsnider> i've done it before
[03:00] <pepee> ah k
[03:01] <bjsnider> if you attach the debdiff you're doing almost all the work for them
[03:01] <bjsnider> does the patch apply?
[03:01] <pepee> isn't easier to just give them the patch?
[03:01] <bjsnider> no
[03:01] <bjsnider> well, it's easier on you
[03:01] <bjsnider> but you're trying to get the patch accepted
[03:03] <pepee> but this is for binary files, right?
[03:04] <pepee> wow, that was quick, the fix got released...
[03:04] <bjsnider> what?
[03:05] <pepee> I reported this:  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-ati/+bug/1232557
[03:05] <ubottu> Ubuntu bug 1232557 in xserver-xorg-video-ati (Ubuntu Saucy) "X.Org Server terminates when I close video player or run glxgears" [High,Triaged]
[03:05] <pepee> 6 hrs ago...
[03:07] <bjsnider> well, the importance was critical right?
[03:09] <pepee> well, not really, but I wanted to report it for people to have a working distro...
[03:09] <pepee> out of the box
[03:12] <bjsnider> xorg went down when closing any video player?
[03:12] <pepee> when using opengl apps I think
[03:12] <pepee> not sure though, I don't really understand it
[03:45] <bjsnider> pepee, i misunderstood something you wrote earlier about using a custom build with ppas. thought you were an expert
[03:45] <bjsnider> more or less
[03:45] <pepee> ah, heh
[03:45] <pepee> nah, I barely know how to follow instructions
[03:46] <pepee> and a bit of programming... but I hate coding
[03:51] <bjsnider> how did you get to the point where you were running a custom build?
[03:57] <pepee> looked at the buildlogs, executed the commands shown there
[03:58] <bjsnider> pardon me?
[03:58] <pepee> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-ati/+bug/1232557/comments/15
[03:58] <ubottu> Ubuntu bug 1232557 in xserver-xorg-video-ati (Ubuntu Saucy) "X.Org Server terminates when I close video player or run glxgears" [High,Triaged]
[03:59] <pepee> ah, "custom build" = old, patched version of the package
[04:00] <bjsnider> oh, i misunderstood again
[04:00] <bjsnider> i thought by that you grabbed a newer git snapshot and so forth
[04:00] <pepee> nah, I've had bad experiences with that :(
[04:01] <bjsnider> doing that successfully would be a much bigger meal than patching something
[04:01] <pepee> someone told me about checkinstall
[04:01] <pepee> worked fine for one package, but I couldn't build some other ones
[04:02] <pepee> unknown dependencies is the hardest thing I've hit...
[04:02] <pepee> but I have a bunch of programs from repos running just fine, just not packaged
[04:02] <pepee> I don't understand the packaging system... I just know how to use it
[04:05] <bjsnider> yeah well you can use apt-get build-dep to install dependencies
[04:05] <pepee> yeah, but sometimes... there are no packages for that :(
[04:06] <bjsnider> you can use dpkg-buildpackage to build a deb based on the code you get from git
[04:06] <bjsnider> you've got to have build-essential installed and whatnot
[04:06] <pepee> for example, a couple days ago I wanted to test the mesa implementation of opencl
[04:06] <pepee> you have to configure dpkg-buildpackage first, right?
[04:07] <pepee> make a debian/ folder and so on
[04:08] <bjsnider> just use the existing one you get by doing apt-get source
[04:08] <pepee> well, I needed some lib for opencl, libclc which is not in the repos
[04:08] <bjsnider> you don't have to create your own packaging scripts from scratch
[04:08] <pepee> hmm, is there anything I could read about this?
[04:09] <bjsnider> somewhere out there
[04:09] <bjsnider> apt-get source gets you the package's orig tarball, which is untouched code, and the packaging scripts
[04:10] <bjsnider> then ytou could grab newer code and try building that version
[04:10] <pepee> yeah, I mean, I dunno what to do when some deps are not in the repos
[04:11] <pepee> and I don't like to mess too much with the system
[04:11] <pepee> I've hed bad experiences in the past, lol
[04:11] <pepee> *had
[04:11] <bjsnider> you could look to see if the lib is in debian experimental yet
[04:11] <pepee> I've been using this same system since like 8.04 I think
[04:12] <pepee> or 10.04, not sure...
[04:13] <bjsnider> not sure i understand your point
[04:13] <pepee> I've upgraded lots of times, and sometimes, old changes lead to... bad things
[04:13] <pepee> :P
[04:14] <bjsnider> you're not going to break your system by installing a lib the rest of your system hasn't heard of
[04:14] <bjsnider> libs just sit there
[04:15] <pepee> ah k
[04:15] <bjsnider> if you uninstall upstart and update to the latest systemd, that could cause some issues
[04:16] <pepee> I could just use VMs or chroots, but it would be a waste of resources..
[04:18] <pepee> btw, do you know about how mesa is updated in ubuntu?
[04:19] <pepee> I wish I could try the new directx implementation, and this opencl thing too..
[05:00] <tjaalton> if xorg-edgers has a newer mesa then just try that
[05:01] <tjaalton> it's a lot harder pkg to manage than a simple driver
[05:03] <pepee> well, xorg-edgers mesa package is ~1 month old
[05:04] <pepee> mesa from oibaf's ppa is the most recent one I think
[05:04] <tjaalton> ok
[05:05] <tjaalton> he's trying to monetize the effort, and doesn't help us in any way
[05:06] <tjaalton> hmm was that right
[05:13] <tjaalton> and due to that his packages might conflict with official ones, like with glamor now
[05:14] <pepee> well, he doesn't have packages for saucy..
[05:17] <tjaalton> ok