[01:31] <magespawn> Good night all
[09:30] <charl_> good morning
[09:30] <charl_> Maaz: coffee on
[09:30]  * Maaz puts the kettle on
[09:31] <Vince-0_> surp! IRL coffee time
[09:32] <charl_> hi Vince-0_ 
[09:32] <charl_> how's it going
[09:32] <Vince-0_> kiff bru
[09:33] <Vince-0_> (jokes) 
[09:33] <Vince-0_> I kinda just got up
[09:33] <charl_> good time - half past 11 - i was up around 10
[09:33] <Vince-0_> I was watching Band of Brothers into the early hours
[09:33] <charl_> googling...
[09:34] <charl_> wb Vince-0 
[09:34] <charl_> is it a war series?
[09:34] <Vince-0> yep, 2001 I think
[09:34] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for charl_!
[09:34] <charl_> hmmm not too crazy about war related stuff
[09:34] <charl_> it's a little too personal for me
[09:34] <charl_> Maaz: thanks
[09:34] <Maaz> charl_: Okay :-)
[09:35] <Vince-0> Spielberg, Tom Hanks produced
[09:35] <charl_> must be good then i guess, maybe i'll give it a shot
[09:35] <Vince-0> yep, 2nd episode they invade Normandy by air
[09:35] <charl_> lol
[09:35] <Vince-0> find a German soldier who was born in the US and kill them all
[09:35] <charl_> my grandparents were involved in that war so i don't like it
[09:36] <Vince-0> war is kak yar
[09:36] <charl_> one of my grandfathers were taken to germany to work in a factory
[09:36] <charl_> the other was put in a concentration camp
[09:37] <charl_> one of my grandmothers was left in a region where there was no food, known as the hungry winter
[09:37] <Vince-0> I'm also playing Company of Heros 2 - 
[09:37] <Vince-0> as the Russians from the German invasion
[09:37] <charl_> googling...
[09:37] <Vince-0> pretty gruesome stuff
[09:38] <charl_> oh a real time strategy?
[09:38] <Vince-0> yep
[09:38] <charl_> nice
[09:38] <Vince-0> I like RTS
[09:38] <Vince-0> but they go deep on the personal struggles
[09:38] <charl_> i couldn't play it :(
[09:39] <charl_> i saw this movie last year: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1996310/
[09:39] <charl_> that was about the limit of what i could take
[09:42] <Vince-0> yep seen that
[09:42] <charl_> the problem is, i know these people, they live here a few KM from me across the border
[09:42] <charl_> so it gets a little personal :)
[09:43] <charl_> for you people down south i guess it's different
[09:43] <Vince-0> yep its a disgusting thing, war
[09:43] <Vince-0> I'm far removed from any of that
[09:43] <charl_> for me it's too real
[09:43] <Vince-0> My dad went to prison because he didn't want to join the army here
[09:43] <charl_> do you know theo de raadt?
[09:43] <Vince-0> but the history and computer games on the subject facinate me.
[09:43] <Vince-0> negative,
[09:43] <charl_> he is the guy that started the openbsd/openssh projects
[09:44] <Vince-0> ah
[09:44] <charl_> he is an ex-south african who fled the country due to the military service
[09:44] <charl_> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theo_de_Raadt
[09:44] <charl_> Theo de Raadt is the eldest of four children to a Dutch father, and a South African mother, with two sisters and a brother. Concern over the mandatory two-year armed forces conscription in South Africa led the family to emigrate to Calgary, Alberta, Canada in November 1977.
[09:47] <Vince-0> *skim red the whole article
[09:47] <charl_> very smart guy
[11:58] <charl_> hi psychicist 
[11:58] <charl_> how's it going
[12:02] <psychicist> hi charl_ 
[12:02] <psychicist> it's going well
[12:02] <charl_> just came back from oktoberfest yesterday
[12:02] <charl_> still recovering
[12:02] <psychicist> aha
[12:02] <charl_> crazy
[12:02] <psychicist> were you in munich or nuremberg?
[12:03] <charl_> in munich of course
[12:03] <charl_> there is an oktoberfest in nuremberg ?
[12:04] <psychicist> I don't know, but isn't in bavaria as well?
[12:04] <psychicist> isn't it*
[12:04] <charl_> yes both are in bavaria
[12:04] <charl_> but octoberfest is in theresienwiese which is in munich
[12:05] <charl_> *oktoberfest
[12:05] <psychicist> I‌ was in nuremberg for one week in 2004, but I‌ would like to visit that city and munich when I get time
[12:05] <psychicist> ah, I‌ see
[12:06] <charl_> if you want to visit munich you should visit at a different time though
[12:06] <charl_> all the hotels are booked out during oktoberfest
[12:07] <charl_> i have never seen such a lot of crazy in my life i think :)
[12:07] <charl_> my first doing time btw
[12:07] <charl_> my first time doing it, my head is still kaput :P
[12:10] <psychicist> :D
[12:11] <psychicist> for how long were you there?
[12:11] <charl_> only for the day, due to the hotels issue :P
[12:12] <charl_> i came with the sleeper (train) during the night and left the same way
[12:32] <psychicist> oh
[12:32] <psychicist> wow
[12:32] <psychicist> so you are really a party animal :D
[12:47] <charl_> psychicist: not at all, but as they say, you only live once :P
[12:50] <psychicist> charl_: that's the spirit :D
[12:50] <psychicist> charl_, but were you alone or with someone else?
[12:50] <psychicist> ms or mrs charl_?
[12:50] <psychicist> :D
[12:55] <charl_> lol no unfortunately not i'm still single :(
[12:55] <charl_> if i go again though i would definitely want to go together with a larger group and reserve a table
[12:55] <charl_> it helps to keep the crazy at bay a little
[12:55] <charl_> most of the tables in the hackertent were in any case reserve only, i sat in the unreserved bit
[12:55] <psychicist> yeah
[12:55] <charl_> i'm not sure about the top part, i never went up top
[12:56] <charl_> but the entire middle section of the hackertent was reserved
[12:56] <psychicist> btw, if you ever manage to come to poland or want to go to ukraine or any of these eastern european countries, just tell me
[12:56] <charl_> yes i would most definitely want some tips if i do
[12:56] <psychicist> yeah, that's a shame because you were late
[12:56] <charl_> nah i was actually one of the first :D
[12:56] <psychicist> hahaha
[12:56] <charl_> but i didn't want to reserve a whole table for myself, what's the point
[12:57] <charl_> but yeah i was literally there at opening time
[12:57] <psychicist> yes, especially if you are alone
[12:57] <psychicist> but now you've been there at least, so you are prepared for next time
[12:57] <charl_> yes exactly
[12:58] <psychicist> I was in ukraine the first time about 5 weeks ago and then 2 weeks ago I went again
[12:58] <charl_> how is it? never been to any east european country myself
[12:58] <psychicist> and now I‌ have several contacts there, so I‌ can always ask them
[12:58] <charl_> ah nice
[12:58] <psychicist> actually quite a few people speak english there, so it isn't all that scary
[12:58] <charl_> i was always too scared to travel in that direction on my own
[12:59] <charl_> because you hear all these things about the russian mafia and what not
[12:59] <psychicist> yeah
[12:59] <psychicist> but it's not like that at all
[12:59] <psychicist> I was told I'd get beaten up but nothing of that came true either
[12:59] <charl_> yeah it's never as bad as it sounds
[12:59] <charl_> beaten up?! my goodness
[13:00] <charl_> do they do that to random people?
[13:01] <psychicist> my colleagues at work told me so
[13:01] <charl_> wow
[13:01] <psychicist> and actually a ukrainian guy I‌ met on the bus told me a friend of his was beaten up in poland near the ukrainian border
[13:01] <charl_> what the...
[13:01] <charl_> no screw that i'm staying away from the east block :P
[13:03] <psychicist> hahaha
[13:03] <psychicist> it's not like that :P
[13:03] <psychicist> I have made some of my best friends in that region really
[13:03] <charl_> are people there better "earthed" than here?
[13:03] <charl_> better down to earth i mean
[13:03] <psychicist> yes, I‌ think so
[13:04] <psychicist> in Poland not so much, they seem to be scared of everyone
[13:04] <charl_> lol
[13:04] <psychicist> but in Ukraine people are more friendly
[13:04] <charl_> interesting
[13:04] <psychicist> Ukraine has always had many kinds of people living there, so they are used to it
[13:04] <psychicist> but in Poland they are afraid of Germans and Russians, like a trauma or something
[13:04] <charl_> i heard they beat up jews in ukraine though?
[13:05] <psychicist> I've met a few jews in ukraine and not seen anything like that
[13:05] <charl_> ah ok, that's good to hear
[13:06] <psychicist> and the contacts I've made, I‌ guess about an equal number of guys and girls
[13:07] <charl_> when i travel out of country i usually go to germany, but that's only because i speak some german
[13:07] <charl_> france is beautiful but i speak absolutely no french whatsoever
[13:07] <charl_> so that makes things a _lot_ harder for me
[13:08] <charl_> but of course in all the large cities like paris you can get help in english too
[13:08] <charl_> but once you leave the city things change :P
[13:08] <charl_> like right here next to the border, the germans there don't speak english at all
[13:09] <charl_> you actually would have a much better time speaking dutch to them
[13:17] <psychicist> yeah, I‌ speak german very well too and french reasonably well
[13:17] <psychicist> and when I first came here last year I didn't speak any polish at all
[13:17] <psychicist> now I‌ can at least manage a little bit and I'm going to polish course with a few colleagues so that helps a lot as well
[13:18] <psychicist> oh, I‌ didn't know that
[13:23] <charl_> well i live like 10km from germany :P
[13:23] <charl_> i go over the border as a matter of routine because you can buy stuff there that you can't buy here
[13:23] <charl_> i go to the bakeries a lot too
[13:24] <charl_> the germans make _real_ bread not the cr*p we call bread in NL
[13:26] <psychicist> yeah
[13:34] <charl_> hi Cantide 
[13:34] <Cantide> hello :)
[13:34] <charl_> how's it going
[13:34] <Cantide> it is going well :)
[13:34] <charl_> got the visa yet?
[13:34] <Cantide> i should have my visa in a few days
[13:34] <Cantide> what about you?
[13:35] <Cantide> not yet :)
[13:35] <charl_> cool good luck
[13:35] <charl_> i'm doing well
[13:35] <charl_> i'm still recovering from oktoberfest though
[13:35] <Cantide> hahaha
[13:35] <Cantide> not a bad thing :)
[13:36] <Cantide> hi psychici1t :p
[13:36] <psychici1t> hi Cantide :)
[15:15] <JoTraGo> Regional formats. English - South Africa. Issues with comma as decimal point. Whilst "Officially" the SA decimal point IS a comma, as correctly implemented in Ubuntu, in everyday user, and in most applications this is not practiced, and the more globally standard dot is used. Is there a way to retain the South African Settings, specifically the R for currency, and change the decimal point to dot?
[15:18] <charl_> there is no "global" standard
[15:18] <charl_> in europe we also use the comma
[15:19] <charl_> a dot separates thousands
[15:19] <charl_> where has this been posted?
[15:26] <JoTraGo> I am really just trying to find out if I can keep my regional format set to South Africa but change the decimla point from comma to dot/
[15:29] <charl_> oh sorry, this was a question you wanted to ask here?
[15:29] <charl_> i thought it was a copy from somewhere else, it's unusually well written for irc :)
[15:32] <JoTraGo> No the problem I have is with accounting in GNU Cash, and working with Finaincials in Libre Office and gnumeric whihc pick up the Comma as decimal point from Ubuntu Regional Format. forcing use of the Comma. Whilst when transacting in online banks, Windows Southafrica region, uses Dot, etc 
[15:33] <JoTraGo> I recently madw a R30,000 rand error by inadvertently using a comma as a decimal in my online bank, so I was wondering if I can get round this somehow.
[15:33] <charl_> wow this is a big problem clearly
[15:34] <charl_> sounds like a mess, sorry i can't be of more help but i have never used gnu cash or financials
[15:35] <JoTraGo> I suspect it may be a problem commonly experienced by SA users of Ubuntu.
[15:35] <charl_> no idea you are the first person who ever asked anything about this (while i've been watching)
[15:36] <JoTraGo> Ah! OK! Maybe it's just me then, or maybe most users dont bother to change the regional settings
[15:37] <charl_> i'm not sure, there is no proper global standardisation in this regard and software very often screws it up
[15:37] <charl_> it's the same with dates, i often have to ask myself which is the day and which is the month
[15:38] <charl_> because in europe we write the day first, then the month, then the year
[15:38] <charl_> the americans swapped the day and month around
[15:38] <charl_> so if you get 01/02/2013 for example you don't know if it's the first of february or the second january
[15:40] <JoTraGo> Yep that's another one, after trying many approaches I have decided to standardise on the ISO std date format yyyymmdd. it works particularly well if you want to sort things on the date field. Otherwise I always write the 3 letter month to remove ambiguity eg 6 Jun 2013 or 2013 Jun 6
[15:41] <charl_> yes me too
[15:42] <charl_> the iso standard is great
[15:48] <JoTraGo> A bit of Googling, indicates this amy be a good place to start    https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Locale
[15:57] <charl_> it seems like you just want to edit LC_NUMERIC
[15:59] <charl_> http://askubuntu.com/questions/193251/how-to-set-all-locale-settings-in-ubuntu
[15:59] <charl_> seems fairly easy to change then
[15:59] <charl_> they are just a bunch of environment variables
[16:07] <JoTraGo> Yep, I'll have a dig into that and give it a go.
[16:29] <charl_> cool, good luck !
[16:55] <theblazehen> charl_, friend is FINALLY sending me SFD video :p
[16:55] <theblazehen> hi guys
[16:57] <charl_> theblazehen: cool please share the link when you have it
[16:57] <charl_> that indeed did take a while yes
[16:58] <theblazehen> charl_, will do, and friend is only doing it because it was taking up too much space on phone... :/
[16:58] <theblazehen> 10GB
[16:58] <charl_> the video?!
[16:59] <theblazehen> yeah, full HD
[16:59] <charl_> great stuff !
[16:59] <charl_> on his phone? wow
[16:59] <charl_> did he place the phone in some type of stand to keep it still?
[17:00] <theblazehen> yeah
[17:02] <charl_> but 10gb is still pretty huge, even for 1080p
[17:02] <charl_> which format is it in? some type of raw format?
[17:03] <charl_> gah nvm, just throw it up on a torrent :)
[17:03] <theblazehen> mp4 I think :p
[17:03] <charl_> strange wow
[17:03] <charl_> mp4 is pretty good
[17:03] <charl_> maybe there are some settings to be tweaked, i have no idea about video encoding
[17:03] <theblazehen> going to put it on dropbox, so unless you wanna wait...
[17:03] <theblazehen> yeah
[17:04] <theblazehen> unless it was an exaggeration
[17:37] <Kilos> evening all
[17:37] <charl_> hi Kilos 
[17:39] <theblazehen> hi Kilos 
[18:01] <Kilos> yo aquarat 
[18:19] <aquarat> hey kilos
[18:19] <aquarat> :)
[18:20] <Kilos> :)
[18:27] <Kilos> yo inetpro wat gaan aan daar
[18:27] <Kilos> topic kinda outa date methinks
[18:43] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
[20:38] <Symmetria> sup ;p