| Noskcaj | Can we get one of the xubuntu members as an admin on the xubuntu sub-reddit? Then we could get a flair like the ubuntu subrddit | 02:22 |
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| pleia2 | I won't go near reddit, so if someone else wants to they are welcome to | 02:23 |
| GridCube | i don't understand reddit | 02:24 |
| GridCube | it makes no friggin sense | 02:24 |
| Unit193 | Man that site can be funnah. :D | 02:25 |
| Unit193 | Not looked at any subs on there for a while though. | 02:26 |
| Noskcaj | GridCube, It's one of the best (and if well used, best for promotion) websites. It is difficult to learn though | 02:27 |
| Noskcaj | pleia2, I could try and contact the mods. I'm looking into a similar thing for kubuntu and lubuntu | 02:27 |
| * skellat notes far too late that he outright abandoned reddit as he found little use for it in the end game as it was full of...nothing... | 03:46 | |
| === brainwash_ is now known as brainwash | ||
| brainwash | ochosi: regarding the greeter -> xfce transition, http://git.xfce.org/xfce/xfwm4/tree/src/compositor.c#n806 | 11:11 |
| brainwash | ochosi: you can build xfwm4 with MONITOR_ROOT_PIXMAP defined | 11:12 |
| brainwash | ochosi: I'll test it and report any drawbacks | 11:12 |
| brainwash | the xfce4-panel app menu is able to scale pixmap icon files properly (now), but the xfdesktop app menu still isn't | 12:17 |
| brainwash | it also does not display the missing-icon-file symbol | 12:18 |
| brainwash | strnage inconsistency | 12:19 |
| ochosi | yeah, separate menus | 12:39 |
| ochosi | brainwash: i'm very interested to hear about that xfwm4 thingy | 12:40 |
| brainwash | ochosi: I don't notice any change | 13:41 |
| brainwash | ochosi: I even compiled it a second time after editing the source file directly | 13:43 |
| ochosi | brainwash: hm, right, well xfdesktop's maintainer is aware of the issue | 14:28 |
| brainwash | ochosi: of what? the general issue? | 14:33 |
| ochosi | the slow startup of xfdesktop | 14:34 |
| brainwash | and the missing pixmap scaling? | 14:34 |
| brainwash | did you talk to him/her? | 14:34 |
| brainwash | (you can test it with gcolor2 for example) | 14:36 |
| ochosi | missing pixmap scaling? | 14:39 |
| ochosi | (there's just been the first 4.11 release of the desktop today, btw) | 14:40 |
| brainwash | install gcolor2, right-click the desktop > app menu > graphics | 14:44 |
| ochosi | that menu is gone in 4.11 | 14:46 |
| ochosi | (which is what i'm using atm) | 14:47 |
| ochosi | so you have to be more concrete with the pixmap scaling issue | 14:47 |
| brainwash | gone?! | 14:47 |
| ochosi | yeah, there's only the app-menu | 14:47 |
| brainwash | what I'm trying to tell you is, that xfdesktop is still affected by bug 1061037 | 14:48 |
| ubottu | bug 1061037 in gdk-pixbuf (Ubuntu) "Using .xpm icons on desktop may draw huge icon" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1061037 | 14:48 |
| ochosi | aha | 14:48 |
| brainwash | the normal panel menu isn't anymore | 14:49 |
| ochosi | true | 14:49 |
| brainwash | I guess we simply ignore this :) | 14:50 |
| ochosi | well xpm icons are very retro ;) | 14:50 |
| ochosi | but yeah, it should be fixed at some point | 14:50 |
| ochosi | ideally for 4.12 | 14:50 |
| brainwash | and only few apps ship a launcher with full path xpm icon specified in their .desktop file | 14:51 |
| brainwash | IDLE, gcolor2, gnome disk analyzer | 14:51 |
| ochosi | are there bugreports for those apps upstream? | 14:52 |
| ochosi | (or are all of them still maintained?) | 14:52 |
| brainwash | don't fix the apps, fix the broken app menu :D | 14:55 |
| brainwash | which will be gone soon anyway :/ | 14:55 |
| ochosi | no, that app-menu is still there | 14:56 |
| ochosi | there were 2 variants in the 4.10 desktop-menu | 14:57 |
| brainwash | ah, so 1 menu implementation remains | 14:58 |
| brainwash | for both | 14:58 |
| ochosi | one that was solely for apps and one that had some desktop-specific stuff | 14:58 |
| ochosi | now there's only the one for apps | 14:58 |
| ochosi | at least as far as i can say | 14:58 |
| brainwash | ochosi: should I file the bug report about the non smooth greeter -> desktop transition against xfwm4, xfdesktop, xfce4-session or xubuntu-meta? | 15:16 |
| ochosi | i'm not sure :} | 15:17 |
| Pwnna | it must be said | 15:26 |
| Pwnna | ubuntu 13.10 is stil lreally unstable :P | 15:26 |
| brainwash | Pwnna: what exactly is unstable? | 15:50 |
| Pwnna | everything | 15:51 |
| elfy | nope | 15:51 |
| elfy | not so here | 15:51 |
| Pwnna | cannot go to sleep. if i play video games for a while (couple minutes), my computer will slow down and frame rate drops by about 60%. | 15:51 |
| Pwnna | no reason either, there's no overheating and such | 15:51 |
| elfy | I assume you've posted bugs where appropriate | 15:52 |
| Pwnna | not a lot of logs. the only thing i can see is this: https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=53571 but that's related to lock up | 15:52 |
| ubottu | bugzilla.kernel.org bug 53571 in Video(DRI - Intel) "[fdo:54226] stale bcs->rcs semaphore" [Normal,New] | 15:52 |
| Pwnna | elfy: i don't have logs.. | 15:52 |
| Pwnna | like. nothing in the logs | 15:52 |
| Pwnna | bluetooth mouse does not reconnect like it did in 13.04 | 15:53 |
| elfy | ubuntu-bug blueman | 15:53 |
| Pwnna | but i don't have logs.. so like it's like saying. hey my bluetooth requires me to manually reconnect sometimes, not all the time. also i don't have logs | 15:54 |
| Pwnna | in 13.04 it worked! | 15:54 |
| Pwnna | that kinda bug report is not really useful :3 | 15:54 |
| elfy | ubuntu-bug blueman | 15:54 |
| elfy | and saying 'everything is unstable' is useful? | 15:55 |
| Pwnna | it's not | 15:55 |
| Pwnna | i was hoping someone can help me get logs | 15:55 |
| Pwnna | the graphics/processing issue is the critical one | 15:55 |
| Pwnna | but i can't get any logs | 15:55 |
| Pwnna | i can reproduce everytime | 15:56 |
| elfy | then report it - use ubuntu-bug and it'll grab what it needs afaik - then watch the bug and see if anything else is required | 15:58 |
| Pwnna | well for the graphics one idk what the component maybe | 16:03 |
| Pwnna | it might be the kernel, mesa, idk | 16:03 |
| brainwash | there are plenty of log files located in /var/log | 16:03 |
| Pwnna | nothing relating to the grapics issue. | 16:03 |
| Pwnna | other than that bug that i found upstream, but that one is a) relating to lockups (which it did on my system) and b) present for a long time, but didn't show before. so i doubt that whatever is happening now is related to that..? | 16:04 |
| elfy | Pwnna: so what grpahics card is it | 16:06 |
| Pwnna | happens on both my intel HD 3000 and the nvidia card | 16:06 |
| Pwnna | i think that one is quadro 4200 | 16:07 |
| elfy | so how long has this been going on then with saucy? | 16:07 |
| Pwnna | ever since i upgraded to it | 16:07 |
| elfy | right | 16:07 |
| elfy | I'm not psychic enough to be able to guess when that was | 16:08 |
| Pwnna | oh. 4 days ago | 16:08 |
| brainwash | can you still boot one of the raring kernels or are they gone already? | 16:08 |
| Pwnna | i see stack traces... probably relating to the sleep issue | 16:08 |
| Pwnna | brainwash: gone | 16:08 |
| brainwash | not sure, if this is the right channel for this kind of issue | 16:10 |
| brainwash | does not seem to be xubuntu specific | 16:10 |
| brainwash | did you already ask in #ubuntu+1? | 16:11 |
| elfy | Pwnna: you might well find someone who can help in #ubuntu+1 | 16:11 |
| Pwnna | yeah | 16:12 |
| Pwnna | maybe | 16:12 |
| brainwash | Notice(queuebot): Unapproved: rejected libxfce4ui [sync] (saucy-proposed) [4.10.0-4] | 16:44 |
| elfy | saw that ... | 16:48 |
| elfy | brainwash: confirmed thge xfwm4 bug | 16:50 |
| ochosi | what xfwm4 bug? | 16:51 |
| brainwash | more like a wishlist thingy | 16:51 |
| elfy | the one you two were talking about earlier - "If the built-in compositor is enabled, xfwm4 will draw a plain grey background over the lightdm greeter background on session login" | 16:51 |
| brainwash | bug 1232804 | 16:52 |
| ubottu | bug 1232804 in xfwm4 (Ubuntu) "[compositing] improve login greeter -> desktop transition" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1232804 | 16:52 |
| ochosi | ah ok | 16:53 |
| ochosi | yeah, as i said, not sure what component this bug should actually be filed against | 16:54 |
| brainwash | did some more code hacking, but no success so far | 16:54 |
| ochosi | have you tried enabling the splash-screen? | 16:54 |
| ochosi | i mean the xfce-splash-screen | 16:54 |
| brainwash | no, isn't that some ancient stuff? | 16:54 |
| brainwash | and could it help? | 16:55 |
| ochosi | well, it might still help to create a custom splash-screen that shows the user's wallpaper | 16:55 |
| ochosi | for me it's hard to test anyway, the ssd makes the session load very quickly, so i don't see your bug | 16:55 |
| brainwash | compositing enabled? | 16:56 |
| ochosi | yup | 16:56 |
| ochosi | i also use autologin | 16:56 |
| ochosi | that might contribute | 16:56 |
| brainwash | yea | 16:56 |
| brainwash | it's just an idea for the next milestone | 16:58 |
| elfy | maybe tag it brainwash | 16:59 |
| elfy | though it might be useful to sort out an official xubuntu tag of some sort | 16:59 |
| brainwash | don't know how | 16:59 |
| brainwash | or which tag | 17:00 |
| elfy | no idea how to create a new one - we were talking about this the other day | 17:02 |
| elfy | or at least someone and me was lol | 17:02 |
| skellat | We got libxfce4ui rejected in queue. Somebody may need to pop over to #ubuntu-release to discuss that. | 17:03 |
| ochosi | what version of libxfce4ui is that and why was it uploaded? | 17:13 |
| ochosi | connected to a bugreport? | 17:13 |
| ochosi | brainwash: just to add that, xfwm4 is not currently in active development | 17:13 |
| ochosi | at least not really | 17:13 |
| brainwash | bug 1228731 | 17:15 |
| ubottu | bug 1228731 in libxfce4ui (Ubuntu) "[FFe] Sync libxfce4ui 4.10.0-4 (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1228731 | 17:15 |
| elfy | ochosi: connected with bug 1055407 and bug 1198746 | 17:15 |
| ubottu | bug 346386 in apt (Ubuntu Precise) "duplicate for #1055407 [MASTER] Update fails with invalid package files with "Encountered a section with no Package: header"" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/346386 | 17:15 |
| ubottu | bug 1198746 in libxfce4ui (Ubuntu) "Drop /usr/share/xfce4/vendorinfo" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1198746 | 17:15 |
| elfy | bug 1054407 | 17:16 |
| ubottu | bug 1054407 in xfce4-screenshooter (Ubuntu) "xfhelp4 is not installed" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1054407 | 17:16 |
| elfy | I mean :) | 17:16 |
| ochosi | ah right | 17:16 |
| ochosi | xfhelp stuff | 17:16 |
| elfy | yup | 17:16 |
| Unit193 | xnox: Howdy. Do you know where I should go for questions with ubiquiry and casper? | 19:41 |
| Noskcaj | hey mr_pouit | 20:12 |
| mr_pouit | hey Noskcaj | 20:19 |
| Noskcaj | xfwm4 just got merged and libxfce4ui will be synced very soon | 20:20 |
| xnox | Unit193: #ubuntu-installer | 22:05 |
| brainwash | any idea, how I could debug bug 1206739 ? | 22:32 |
| ubottu | bug 1206739 in xfce4-terminal (Ubuntu) "xfce4-terminal crashed with SIGSEGV in magazine_chain_pop_head()" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1206739 | 22:32 |
| Noskcaj | brainwash, install the -dev and -dbg packages for it if they exist, then run it from a terminal (with debug enabled, if possible). That's at least where to start | 22:36 |
| brainwash | sadly no debug mode available, and running it from another terminal window will instantly crash both when the bug gets triggered | 22:38 |
| brainwash | running it from a different terminal app will freeze the session (partially) | 22:39 |
| Noskcaj | brainwash, maybe add "| tee FILENAME" at the end to get the logs (where FILENAME is whatever you want), but i assume the logs get recorded anyway | 22:40 |
| brainwash | well, actually it does freeze the session completely, a working cursor does not help that much :) | 22:40 |
| brainwash | tee redirects only stdout | 22:42 |
| brainwash | I'll try it | 22:42 |
| ochosi | brainwash: i think the most effective thing you can do is file a bug upstream | 23:00 |
| ochosi | or check whether there's already one | 23:00 |
| ochosi | and as soon as NSchermer is around again, you can ask him whether he can reproduce it | 23:01 |
| ochosi | but it's possibly ubuntu-specific | 23:01 |
| brainwash | maybe it needs to be rebuilt against a recent version of glib | 23:02 |
| brainwash | I want to improve my debugging skills... but thus particular bug is strange | 23:03 |
| brainwash | this | 23:03 |
| brainwash | ochosi: are there any Xfce (core) developers which are also members of the Xubuntu team? | 23:11 |
| ochosi | not really | 23:17 |
| ochosi | bluesabre, mr_pouit and me contributed a bit to the display settings | 23:17 |
| ochosi | but at the moment there aren't even that many core devs of xfce | 23:18 |
| brainwash | ok :/ | 23:22 |
| brainwash | I guess they could need some man power for the gtk3 transition | 23:22 |
| brainwash | and wayland support | 23:23 |
| ochosi | indeed | 23:24 |
| ochosi | feel free to start contributing! | 23:24 |
| ochosi | or even start to motivate/recruit others ;) | 23:25 |
| brainwash | I'm trying to get started, but the source code seems be quite complex and it's not easy to understand what's going on :) | 23:26 |
| brainwash | and the whole api mess | 23:27 |
| brainwash | hundreds of different apis | 23:27 |
| ochosi | trying to fix bugs is always a good start | 23:30 |
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