[02:50] hello [05:47] hello Riddell [06:26] good morning [06:26] Morning soee. [06:26] I think you must be in a simialr TZ to me, as you always seem to be around just about when I come in [06:27] PL [06:27] soee: ahh yes, .fi here [06:27] :) [06:28] just over the water then :D [06:30] hehe :D [08:34] Message for phoenix_firebrd (Prasad Murthy): Please be more careful in handling your email. KDE Sysadmin receives dispatches from Yahoo! concerning emails marked as spam. Standard policy is to unsubscribe the person in question. Further spam reports concerning your address will result in all kde.org mailing list subscriptions being terminated. [08:38] Your membership in ubuntu-core-dev is about to expire [08:38] autodiscarded to trash [08:38] ololo [08:38] * apachelogger should revise his filters [08:39] agateau, Riddell: was the ubuquity fix uploaded to archives yet? [08:39] daily still shows atrocious colors [08:46] apachelogger: possibly not, I just committed it to bzr [08:48] Riddell: k, as long as it gets in before release ;) [08:50] yeah it will [08:50] meh, login takes forever -.- [08:50] * apachelogger puts on todo [08:51] menu looks much better though \o/ [08:52] Riddell: http://i.imgur.com/4uYiLoh.png [08:52] that's what I intended to have logowise [08:53] now we just need to find out why processors is empty :S [08:54] that use of the logo probably goes against canonicals brand guidelines [08:54] too much like a warped version of the old logo [08:54] (not that it matters) [08:54] Riddell: ^^ [08:55] Riddell: is active still broken? [08:56] and what is this card about http://i.imgur.com/4uYiLoh.png [08:56] eh [08:56] https://trello.com/c/tBI3mvwA [08:58] yofel: what to do with https://trello.com/c/SHC3ljmX [09:06] apachelogger: not sure, as any stacktraces of mir related crashes should have libmirclient somewhere in it maybe martin could just close those if they pop up? Or we could set KDE_DEBUG=true if mir is running and let apport handle it [09:07] but that would be overkill IMO [09:10] also apport is unmaintained ^^ [09:10] ^ that needs some solution anyway [09:11] it is o.O? [09:12] are they relying 100% on whoopsie now? [09:12] (or do you mean apport-kde, that is unmaintained indeed) [09:18] unmaintained by us [09:18] nixternal did that [09:18] now that he is a professional cyclist no one does [10:23] apachelogger: I got a positive responce from the UFW Kcontrol developer [10:26] apachelogger: yeah plasma-active is broken but there's a comment in our bug with a suggestion to try for fixing [10:28] ovidiu-florin: meaning? [10:29] apachelogger: he hasn't worked on it in a while but he is "more than willing to (at least attempt to) fix any bugs" [10:33] ovidiu-florin: please also ask him how he feels about moving the code and project under the kde umbrella (use kde's git and l10n and bugzilla), oh and CC me please sitter@kde.org [10:33] ok, will do [10:36] apachelogger: so far I've talked with him on the kde-apps site. But I've sent him a message to continue this conversation via email, directly. When he responds, I'll CC you [10:37] ok thanks [10:38] apachelogger: about that trello card I think it needs looked at what ubuntu unity has set up and what happens if you install kubuntu on top of that [10:41] Riddell: xmir you mean? [10:47] apachelogger: presumably [10:50] Riddell: well, since apps loaded inside xmir would have some mir lib in their mmap we probably need (or want) to check for that in kcrash and then take actions depending on the result, what those actions should be needs discussion though I guess [10:50] (I still think we should simply display huge warning dialogs when starting kde apps on xmir :P) [11:06] mm http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/ninjas-status/build_status_4.11.2_saucy.html is looking nice and green [11:10] the sites wiki.kubuntu.org and wiki.ubuntu.com are synced? I modified a page on the kubuntu wiki and I saw the hange on the ubuntu wiki. Why? [11:10] ovidiu-florin: it's the same site, just a different default theme [11:11] oh... [11:11] great... [11:11] thanks [12:14] guys ... on 13.10 qdbus fails [12:42] Peace-: fails how? [12:44] Riddell: qdbus: could not find a Qt installation of '' [12:44] Peace-: when doing what? [12:45] Riddell: vlc --control dbus && qdbus org.mpris.vlc /TrackList org.freedesktop.MediaPlayer.AddTrack STUFF [12:45] Riddell: i need to go now but i will be back soon i leave pc turned on [12:59] Peace-: does just `qdbus` work? [13:00] Riddell: nope [13:00] it says the same thing [13:00] Riddell: now i have tried to install ubuntu-sdk [13:00] Riddell: found in some forum [13:01] and now it says i mean running only qdbus [13:01] qdbus [13:01] qdbus: could not exec '/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/qt5/bin/qdbus': No such file or directory [13:04] I had that too, I needed to install qttools5-dev-tools [13:04] (as qt5 is set as the default, apparently) [13:04] let me try [13:04] btw, I had that in 13.04 haven't tried .10 yet [13:04] install qdbus and qt4-default for qt 4 [13:04] tsimpson: nope [13:05] it doesn't work [13:05] Riddell: ok try that [13:06] Riddell: fixed with qdbus + qt4-default [13:06] ah, they moved it to qdbus-qt5 in saucy [13:12] so updates ready for Saucy ? [13:13] should be [13:13] yep [13:14] shadeslayer, if you want i can test later at home :) [13:14] please do [13:14] I shall test now [13:14] because I can actually work instead of stupid apartment hunting [13:20] Could NOT find LinkGrammar (missing: LinkGrammar_LIBRARIES LinkGrammar_INCLUDE_DIR) anyone know why kdepim doesn't have that as a build-dep? [13:23] Riddell: I couldn't find linkgrammar packaged [13:23] and I think that's only to check ABI compatability [13:24] oh no [13:24] grammar check plugin [13:24] anyway, not packaged I think [13:25] * smartboyhw packages? [13:25] * Peace- hahahahha because I can actually work instead of stupid apartment hunting [13:25] shadeslayer: liblink-grammar4-dev looks like what it needs [13:26] Oh..... [13:26] shadeslayer, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/link-grammar ;P [13:26] hm indeed [13:26] question of disk space though [13:26] Uh hum, but it's outdated a bit... [13:27] 127 KB? [13:27] for liblink-grammar4_4.7.4-2_amd64.deb [13:27] how much for link-grammar-dictionaries-en [13:28] 488KB [13:28] oh [13:28] that's just the downloaded deb [13:28] idk how much it [13:28] *it'll be unpacked [13:29] it's the downloaded deb that's important [13:30] Installed size is around 1.2 MB [13:30] Riddell: how so? I thought the installed size that matters [13:30] shadeslayer: images have a 1.0GB arbitrary cap [13:30] which I think we're close to [13:31] right, isn't that for *installed files* on the ISO [13:31] brb reboot [13:31] ISOs are compressed so they'll end up much the same as .debs [13:32] Hiyas all [13:39] kded4 crashes hmm [13:54] kde bug 325460 [13:54] KDE bug 325460 in general "Python plugins are unusable" [Major,Unconfirmed] http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=325460 [13:54] 0.o [13:55] sounds like just needs rebuilding? [13:55] hmm, it's looking for /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libpython2.7.so [13:55] part of python-dev [13:55] I think I've had this before and added a depends on python-dev [13:55] which maybe got lost in a marge [13:55] merge [13:55] Linking issues!? [13:55] Hmm, missing -dev symlinks [13:56] question is why does it want to load the .so [14:19] okay 4.11.2 works for me [14:19] great [14:20] I've got it ready to upload on my hard disk, I guess it'll be released tomorrow [14:20] * Riddell tweaks kdepim and kate [14:20] Riddell, huh? I thought somebody is uploading it?....... [14:21] not released yet [14:21] I shall backport [14:22] Well, kde4libs got throuhg [14:22] (No problems with that I believe) [14:22] I sneaked that in, don't tell anyone [14:22] Riddell, uh hum [14:22] It is publicly announced in #ubuntu-release [14:23] :) [14:29] hmm, nothing seems to use this libgrammar library at all [14:29] Riddell: too old maybe? [14:31] 15:29 < Riddell> does anything use the libgrammar library? [14:31] 15:30 < montel_> Riddell: not yet [14:32] so maybe something in future but not currently used, it's all compiled now anyway [14:44] ::workspace-bugs:: [1195723] 13.10 Alpha-2 Plasma Netbook Interface has no favorites @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1195723 (by Marco Parillo) [14:48] okie [14:48] https://joinup.ec.europa.eu/community/osor/news/french-gendarmerie-open-source-desktop-lowers-tco-40 [14:48] https://joinup.ec.europa.eu/sites/default/files/11-apresentacao-stephanedumond.pdf [14:48] ^^ my eyes hurt from the Comic Sans [14:50] bug 1222128 [14:50] bug 1222128 in Ubuntu "[FFe] [needs-packaging] kqoauth" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1222128 [14:50] the IT Crowd did a special one off final episode [14:50] it was very unrealistic because Moss was using Comic Sans === greyback is now known as greyback|food [14:52] smartboyhw: still need bug 1222128 reviewed? [14:52] bug 1222128 in Ubuntu "[FFe] [needs-packaging] kqoauth" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1222128 [14:52] Riddell, I forgotten about the package already (not sure if I have a copy of it either, I deleted it probably in a big cleanup [14:58] Riddell, shadeslayer: what be wrong with comic sans? [14:59] what's not wrong with comic sans? [15:00] these is a good reason to use comic sans, it's useful for some dislexic people [15:00] otherwise it's the font of the devil [15:01] * apachelogger quite likes it [15:01] has seen too much use tho, so I get how people got to not like it :P [15:01] but it has seen so much use over the years becaus it's a very nice font [15:01] q.e.d. [15:02] Riddell: actually, I think cool jazz is the font of the devil [15:02] comic sans is just for people who want to induce migraines [15:06] cyphermox: I presume we're planning to stay with an old NM version not the latest bugfix? seems to be causing unnecessary password requests according to upstream bug 325421 [15:06] bug 325421 in linux (Ubuntu) "suspend/resume problem" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/325421 [15:06] are you sure that's the right bug number? [15:07] oh, upstream, doh [15:07] cyphermox: kde bug 325421 [15:07] KDE bug 325421 in applet "Plasma-nm doesn't connect automatically on KDE (Kubuntu 13.10) startup" [Normal,Assigned] http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=325421 [15:07] cyphermox: discussing now in #solid [15:08] apachelogger: you looked at the kwallet setup last? that might also be a culprit === greyback|food is now known as greyback [15:09] Riddell: It may be fixed by one of the patches in 0.9.8.4... but yeah I'm running out of time to do the update [15:09] perhaps I can cherry-pick just the relevant patch if we find it [15:10] that's not just on KDE though, NM itself is "wrong" in that regard, I have a bug in LP about this popping up in lightdm even with "available to all users" [15:10] but it's more or less on purpose -- some password are saved in keyring and others in the config files [15:11] shadeslayer: did you integrate the patch that I said was missing? [15:11] because that may be related to auto-allow [15:11] what patch? [15:11] one patch was missing from runtime [15:12] I have no context [15:12] what are we talking about? [15:12] kwallet [15:12] oh, no, I just changed the kwalletrc [15:12] and it worked [15:14] see discussion in #solid about plasma-nm [15:15] ScottK: any thoughts on sip/python issue bug 1233215 ? [15:15] bug 1233215 in kate (Ubuntu) "Python plugins fail" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1233215 [15:15] apachelogger: do we need to integrate another patch? because it is working [15:16] emit sigh [15:16] oh, I only have 17 snapshots/releases/clones of runtime lying around [15:16] should be easy to find that one patch Oo [15:17] <3 grep <3 [15:17] shadeslayer: /home/me/src/bzr/k/build-area/kde-runtime-4.10.90/debian/patches/kubuntu_silence_kwallet_on_first_start.patch [15:17] /home/me/src/bzr/k/build-area/kde-runtime-4.10.90/debian/patches/kubuntu_silence_kwallet_per_app.patch [15:17] versus [15:17] /home/me/src/bzr/k/kde-runtime/debian/patches/kubuntu_silence_kwallet_on_first_start.patch [15:17] so the per-app thing is missing [15:17] which may explain why plasma-nm refuses to remember passwords [15:18] ah hmm [15:18] lets see [15:18] I think plasma nm remembers pwds for a session [15:19] it seems to here [15:19] Riddell: btw maybe we can add a link to "Get support on the phone" link to khelpcenter [15:19] like you did for installing and everything else [15:19] shadeslayer: I don't understand [15:20] Riddell: A entry under "Kubuntu Documentation" that reads "Get support on the phone" [15:21] I'm getting a bunch of errors when trying to compile any C++11 code with Clang 3.2 (Kubuntu 13.04). it used to work fine until recently [15:21] maybe someone here has an idea... [15:21] http://paste.kde.org/p93acb894/ [15:21] it's weird, I never had problems with it until recently [15:21] Riddell: that loads a wiki page with information on how to call up the withsupport phone number [15:22] shadeslayer: go for it :) [15:22] or ping lordievader, he's a useful person [15:22] apachelogger: I'm using openvpn with the plasma-network manager and it remembers the pwd if I disconnect and reconnect during the same session , if that helps [15:22] (we want to start using a subset of C++11 features starting with Amarok 2.9) [15:23] lordievader: ^^ [15:23] Ohh I'm being called usefull ^^ What's up? [15:24] apachelogger: - Drop kubuntu_silence_kwallet_per_app.patch, applied upstream [15:24] apachelogger: and that's from *you* [15:24] lordievader: Riddell: A entry under "Kubuntu Documentation" that reads "Get support on the phone" [15:25] lordievader: Riddell: that loads a wiki page with information on how to call up the withsupport phone number [15:25] shadeslayer: oh [15:25] lol [15:25] Riddell: then I don't think plasma-nm has to do with kwallet [15:25] I want the last 2 minutes of my life back :( [15:25] stop whining [15:25] I wasted a day doing stuff I should not have been doing to begin with [15:26] heh [15:26] shadeslayer: Ok, cool. I'll see what I can do :) [15:28] markey: sorry I guess nobody knows [15:28] oh well, it was worth a try [15:28] maybe someone on G+ will know [15:29] shadeslayer, your time isn't that precious;) [15:29] http://paste.kde.org/p52cf0605/ < wth? why doesn't it go and sign the dsc :/ [15:33] markey: is that master? [15:34] apachelogger: you mean Amarok? [15:34] markey: yes [15:34] yep [15:34] but I don't think it's related to Amarok [15:35] oh I get it now [15:35] no the C++11 patch is not in master [15:35] I got some local patches here that I wanted to push [15:35] only to find it no longer compiles [15:35] markey: can you throw it at some branch? [15:36] I can just send you one patch, I'll mail it [15:36] k [15:37] I actually suspect some weirdness in the buildsystem btw... because there are errors that are caused by includes from qtglobal, and I am building all phonons using clang so I supposedly should get them as well [15:37] ahh, hmm, I think someone changed the behaviour to not sign and not run lintian [15:38] shadeslayer: behaviour of what? [15:38] shadeslayer: bzr builddeb? [15:38] yofel: kubuntu batch backport [15:39] apachelogger: ^^ [15:39] yeah, that's how it works (for quite a while now) [15:39] debuild --no-lintian -S $include_source -us -uc [15:39] apachelogger: http://paste.kde.org/pa5b23d26/ [15:39] shadeslayer: we generally remote sign so that is expected ^^ [15:39] righty [15:40] I just have good internet so can locally sign [15:40] markey: error: Anwendung des Patches fehlgeschlagen: src/MainWindow.cpp:308 :( [15:40] mail then [15:40] markey: is it supposed to apply against master [15:40] ? [15:40] yep [15:41] I think the formatting got screwed up [15:41] yeah, mail then plz :) [15:41] sec [15:41] btw, you could install pastebinit and do git diff | pastebinit [15:41] really handy tool to pastebin stdout [15:41] sent [15:42] good idea [15:42] where is that tool? [15:42] ah found it [15:45] Riddell, technically, it's here https://launchpad.net/~smartboyhw/+archive/packaging-staging-1/+files/kqoauth_0.98-0ubuntu1.dsc [15:45] (Is it for Digikam again? I forgotten-.-) [15:45] smartboyhw: yes, it's for kipi-plugins in digikam [15:46] Ah yeah [15:46] Anyhow, we need to update Digikam to 3.4.0 (but wait, does that include features?) [15:46] probably [15:46] Ew [15:46] FFe... [15:47] smartboyhw: just ping me or ScottK for any FFe you need [15:47] !testers | 4.11.2 for saucy in ninjas [15:47] 4.11.2 for saucy in ninjas: Help is needed in #kubuntu-devel. Please ping Riddell, yofel, soee, Tm_T, shadeslayer, BluesKaj, James147, smartboyhw, Quintasan, lordievader, shrini, tester56 for information. [15:47] I already did my part [15:47] wfm [15:47] Hey there, I just got an email notification of this change to the Kubuntu wiki and I suspect it's malicious: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/KubuntuDocs?action=diff&rev1=47&rev2=48 [15:47] Riddell: I'm here [15:47] Riddell, please review kqoauth then [15:48] It links to this page: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/KubuntuDocs/PhoneSupport [15:48] littlegirl, well, we do have phone suppport [15:48] littlegirl: looks fine [15:48] Oh! [15:48] littlegirl: lordievader is working on doing that [15:48] * littlegirl had no idea. [15:48] Not malicious what so ever:) [15:48] ^^ [15:48] LOL [15:52] * yofel updates to .2 [16:29] debfx: I uploaded a kio-mtp tar with l10n in it, might be worth taking back into debian [16:30] apachelogger: "pretty please move forward, been in doing forever" [16:30] heh [16:30] basically we need to copy over the new oxygenified icons into knetattach [16:31] however how to post that as a patch is a mystery to me since they're binary files [16:31] just push? :P [16:32] apachelogger: why did I add a homerun l10n card to kubuntu l10n board? it's got l10n files [16:34] Riddell: I have no idea :P [16:34] ok I'll delete it [16:34] Riddell: you did not tell me anyway [16:34] we had a card in 13.04 though [16:34] might be old then [16:35] apachelogger: lightdm-kde has translations, do you think it's short of them? [16:36] you said "check with david on whether he can do another stable release to possibly pick up new translations" [16:36] at least in german I saw untranslated strings in the themes config (KCM) [16:42] shadeslayer, 4.11.2 are in ninjas ? [16:42] yep [16:43] let me check if i have it on this laptop === v_ is now known as v [16:52] apachelogger: http://starsky.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/lightdm-kde-l10n.diff [16:52] packaged version against current l10n [16:52] nothing significant in de [16:52] Riddell: perhaps the strings are not i18n'd then [16:53] not on linux right now [16:53] the desktop .po file seems to be removed or maybe that's just releaseme removing it [16:53] so can't check [16:53] but yeah it might be an upstream issue [16:53] but there's a few additions so I think I'll use this patch [16:54] shadeslayer, there are no any updates in the repository i have [16:55] soee: it's in ninjas for saucy [16:56] Guess I should've added the phone support for the docs on the trello board, will do so now. [16:58] Riddell, one new package: libkwinglutils1abi3 right ? [17:00] soee: yep [17:01] shadeslayer: you uploading .2 to ninjas for r and p? [17:02] mind and update https://notes.kde.org/p/kubuntu-ninjas when you do [17:02] Riddell: yeah, script still running [17:02] oh, completed [17:02] lemme sign and upload [17:04] wohoo [17:04] plasma crashed [17:04] ;] === razor is now known as Guest25170 === Guest25170 is now known as razor_ [17:10] Riddell: how did you create the tarball? [17:11] debfx: with a config script I added to releaseme [17:11] would be good to get that CMakeLists.txt change committed upstream [17:14] hm, no netattach 64x64 and 128x128 icons [17:15] debfx: what change? [17:16] apachelogger: adding macro_optional_add_subdirectory( po ) to kio-mtp [17:17] debfx: upstream git has no po, nor should it have one :P [17:17] debfx: all releaseme tars have that diff [17:17] is that added by the release script? [17:17] ah [17:17] yes [17:26] shadeslayer: oi, I wanted to see martin's reply on that report..... [17:26] what report [17:26] oh [17:27] the rekonq one? [17:27] yes [17:27] I found it rather lovely [17:27] asked to report upstream [17:27] so he can close it if appropriate ;) [17:27] yes, I wanted to ask martin to comment on lp :P [17:27] so I can see his comment [17:27] heh [17:27] now I never will, and martin will probably never see the report [17:27] so much sadness [17:27] actually we need more such reports [17:28] * shadeslayer sends some sangria's to apachelogger [17:28] what do you guys think would be a good way to work around bug 1206371 ? [17:28] I'm not convinced that "kde-window-manager Conflicts: libhybris" is a sane solution [17:28] bug 1206371 in Kubuntu PPA "kwin is not starting: cannot find libwayland-egl.so.1" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1206371 [17:28] I told my computer to shutdown at 12:00. Now my computer is not usable because it shuts down at 12:00. [17:28] what do you comment to such a report [17:29] where is that :D [17:29] yofel: that's a hybris bug, no? [17:29] shadeslayer: that's what the report says, except with a different feature [17:29] apachelogger: to be frank, yes [17:29] I have focus-follows-mouse. Now focus follows mouse. [17:30] yofel: move it then :P [17:30] and start ranting on ubuntu-devel [17:30] shadeslayer, all fine after upgrade on saucy [17:30] re read the report, ahahaha [17:30] or ask ScottK if he has time to direct attention to this issue :) [17:30] he's rather good at this [17:30] shadeslayer: lol, you didn't even read it [17:30] I did, I just didn't think too much about it [17:30] dude, you are missing out on great works of literature if you do not read the reports [17:31] * yofel isn't a friend of ranting on ubuntu-devel either, but oh well [17:31] yofel: well, that needs to get resolved [17:31] "blah blah blah, something about rekonq not working, report on KDE bugzilla, blah blah blah" [17:31] that I agree with [17:31] I'll poke there later [17:35] apachelogger: http://paste.kde.org/pfcc7530a/ [17:35] I think I'll CC nuno in the commit [17:36] I committed broken icons. Then the icons were broken. [17:36] shadeslayer: btw, git status would have made that less burning on me eyes :P [17:37]