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| pitti | Good morning | 04:54 |
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| darkxst | seb128, hi | 09:06 |
| darkxst | I fixed Bug 1228939 if you have time for a review | 09:07 |
| ubottu | bug 1228939 in gnome-control-center (Ubuntu) "The "turn screen off when intactive for" option is not saved" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1228939 | 09:07 |
| darkxst | not sure about the on_shell_disapeared crash, though it looks like a use-after-free issue | 09:08 |
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| didrocks | seb128: cjwatson: hey, it seems that lubuntu has ubuntu-system-settings installed by default. That discussion rings a bell to me with something about edubuntu, what was the fix needed? | 09:39 |
| seb128 | Laney, ^ | 09:39 |
| seb128 | didrocks, is lubuntu using gnome-control-center? | 09:40 |
| Laney | http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/daily-live/pending/saucy-desktop-amd64.manifest | 09:40 |
| seb128 | didrocks, some of the indicators recommends u-s-s | g-c-c | 09:40 |
| Laney | I don't see it there | 09:40 |
| didrocks | Laney: seed-in-ubuntu says lubuntu: supported | 09:41 |
| didrocks | it's not installed then? just supported? | 09:41 |
| Laney | I don't know how supported is generated | 09:41 |
| didrocks | (that won't block in the automatic UNAPPROVED queue?) | 09:41 |
| didrocks | I guess that's our only question ;) | 09:41 |
| Laney | didrocks: it will | 09:44 |
| didrocks | ah… | 09:44 |
| didrocks | I think it's weird that ubuntu-system-settings is supported by lubuntu | 09:44 |
| didrocks | seb128: does it make sense to you? ^ | 09:44 |
| Laney | It's automatically generated, I just don't know how | 09:44 |
| Laney | ubuntu-system-settings | ubuntu-system-settings | indicator-bluetooth | Ubuntu Desktop Team <ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com> | 833194 | 2125 | 09:45 |
| Laney | from germinate | 09:45 |
| seb128 | oh, indicator-bluetooth Depends on ubuntu-system-settings | gnome-bluetooth | 09:47 |
| seb128 | lubuntu is not using gnome-bluetooth right? | 09:47 |
| cjwatson | didrocks: The fix for Edubuntu was in livecd-rootfs 2.189; but I don't think that situation applies to Lubuntu. | 09:47 |
| cjwatson | didrocks: If the standard germinate output lists ubuntu-system-settings, then Lubuntu needs some different fix. | 09:48 |
| didrocks | cjwatson: ok, so yeah, probably what seb128 just told ;) sorry for mapping the same issue mentally | 09:48 |
| cjwatson | Yep | 09:48 |
| didrocks | seb128: I don't see indicator-bluetooth in the manifest | 09:48 |
| seb128 | didrocks, wait, indicator-bluetooth is not listed | 09:48 |
| seb128 | right | 09:48 |
| seb128 | I was coming from what Laney copied | 09:49 |
| didrocks | lubuntu: supported | 09:49 |
| didrocks | though | 09:49 |
| didrocks | for indicator-bluetooth | 09:49 |
| seb128 | cjwatson, do you know how lubuntu:supported is built? | 09:50 |
| cjwatson | I expect it's just the usual germinate supported seed | 09:50 |
| cjwatson | http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/germinate-output/lubuntu.saucy/supported | 09:51 |
| seb128 | darkxst, hey, thanks for the g-c-c fix, I'm going to have a look. The other segfault could be a callback not disconnect properly or something? | 09:51 |
| cjwatson | ubuntu-system-settings <- indicator-bluetooth <-(recommends) unity <- libunity-2d-private-dev <- rescued from unity | 09:52 |
| seb128 | hum | 09:52 |
| cjwatson | That might be fixable with Extra-Exclude | 09:52 |
| seb128 | indicator-bluetooth | indicator-bluetooth | unity (Recommends) | Ubuntu Desktop Team <ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com> | 54158 | 248 | 09:52 |
| Laney | what does rescued from mean? | 09:52 |
| seb128 | why is unity listed on the lubuntu list? | 09:52 |
| cjwatson | it means it's a binary from a source some other part of which is in main | 09:52 |
| cjwatson | er, not in main, included in the seed expansion for the seed structure | 09:53 |
| cjwatson | I could explain or I could fix it :) | 09:53 |
| Laney | Well, if we manage to understand then we might be able to fix such things in future | 09:54 |
| cjwatson | So, there's a thing where we try to automatically ensure that *-dev packages are supported | 09:55 |
| cjwatson | That's done by this entry in supported: | 09:55 |
| cjwatson | * Extra-Include: *-dbg *-debug *-dev *-doc *-docs *-gcj gir1.2-* *-examples | 09:55 |
| cjwatson | Which automatically adds any package matching *-dev (etc.) from any source which produces a binary which is in the expansion of supported or any seed inside it | 09:56 |
| cjwatson | Sometimes this misfires | 09:56 |
| cjwatson | Say, if you have a source package that generates foo-data libfoo1 libfoo1-dev and you only care about foo-data and not libfoo1 | 09:56 |
| cjwatson | In such cases you can add Extra-Exclude lines to filter them back out again | 09:57 |
| cjwatson | In this case what's happening is that ubuntu-defaults-builder depends on unity-common, which is provided by libunity-core-6.0-8; and ubuntu-defaults-builder is seeded in lubuntu.saucy/supported-development-desktop | 09:59 |
| cjwatson | Just testing a fix now | 10:01 |
| Laney | I see; the last unity is a source package name and the first is (obviously) a binary | 10:02 |
| cjwatson | Yes | 10:02 |
| cjwatson | http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~lubuntu-dev/ubuntu-seeds/lubuntu.saucy/revision/277 should fix this | 10:02 |
| didrocks | thanks cjwatson :) | 10:03 |
| cjwatson | I don't know how often the seeded-in-ubuntu data is updated | 10:03 |
| cjwatson | It's quite possible it'll take a day or so | 10:03 |
| Laney | Forgot how to get into the box | 10:03 |
| didrocks | ok, meanwhile maybe Laney can fast-process indicabot-bluetooth, ubuntu-system-settings and the qt things if needed I guess | 10:03 |
| Laney | oh no, here we go | 10:04 |
| seb128 | hum, it's a bit suboptimal that the unity stacks end up in the lubuntu supported set only for a gsettings schemas | 10:05 |
| cjwatson | seb128: Huh? | 10:05 |
| cjwatson | seb128: Where are you seeing that? That's not the path I traced and fixed | 10:05 |
| seb128 | cjwatson, "ubuntu-defaults-builder depends on unity-common, which is provided by libunity-core-6.0-8;" | 10:05 |
| cjwatson | seb128: And I fixed that ... | 10:06 |
| seb128 | oh, ok | 10:06 |
| cjwatson | I mean, sure, it still pulls in that one binary | 10:06 |
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| cjwatson | But that doesn't pull in the whole stack | 10:06 |
| seb128 | I see | 10:06 |
| cjwatson | Just libunity-core-6.0-8 and libunity-protocol-private0 | 10:06 |
| seb128 | so it's mostly the unity source, which is ok | 10:06 |
| seb128 | cjwatson, thanks | 10:07 |
| cjwatson | Well, and unity-services | 10:07 |
| cjwatson | But yeah, it's not all the indicators and stuff any more | 10:07 |
| darkxst | seb128, the signal is disconnected slightly after the destroy, however I don't think thats the problem other we would also see on_unity_dissappeared crashes | 10:07 |
| seb128 | darkxst, yeah, I don't really know, I didn't look at the code, it's just a frequently reported issue ... seems to happen for gnome-shell users at logout | 10:08 |
| darkxst | seb128, yeh, I have seen it hovering quite high on errors.u.c | 10:10 |
| darkxst | though if its happening at logout its actually quite harmless, and will just disappear once crash reports are disabled | 10:14 |
| seb128 | darkxst, you are still going to get whoopsie, that's never disabled | 10:16 |
| darkxst | well they dont go to launchpad ;) | 10:17 |
| darkxst | anyway I will try work out the problem, but I have only seen the crash once here | 10:17 |
| seb128 | darkxst, right, I don't care much about launchpad noise, rather about those users getting the annoying prompt on their screens... | 10:20 |
| mpt | The most frequent crash in Ubuntu is a bug that was fixed in an update six weeks ago. | 10:33 |
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| ritz | mvo ping | 10:45 |
| mvo | ritz: pong | 10:45 |
| ritz | mvo wrt https://code.launchpad.net/~mvo/software-center/lp926763/+merge/187206 | 10:45 |
| mvo | ritz: thanks, give me a minute or two | 10:48 |
| mardy | seb128: hi! Can you have a look at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/evolution/+bug/1210866? | 10:49 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 1210866 in evolution (Ubuntu) "Ubuntu Online Accounts integration broken in Saucy" [Undecided,Confirmed] | 10:49 |
| ritz | mvo++ | 10:49 |
| mardy | seb128: the next question is: provided that EDS 3.9.5 doesn't bring in new dependencies (which I've yet to verify), do you think we could ship it in saucy? | 10:49 |
| seb128 | mardy, hey, was exactly about it? | 10:49 |
| seb128 | mardy, no, it's too late to take on a new e-d-s serie | 10:50 |
| seb128 | mardy, next cycle | 10:50 |
| mardy | seb128: OK | 10:50 |
| seb128 | mardy, the goa split was buggy, I have it on my list for this week, I'm just going to undo it | 10:51 |
| seb128 | mardy, not sure what to do about the password prompt issue... | 10:51 |
| mardy | seb128: you don't think we could update just EDS, if it doesn't bring in new dependencies? | 10:52 |
| seb128 | mardy, I doubt it, it's almost release time, not time to bring such changes in | 10:53 |
| Laney | It'll be a transition | 10:53 |
| mardy | seb128: not even post-release, as an update? | 10:53 |
| seb128 | mardy, no, we don't do major updates in SRUs | 10:53 |
| seb128 | Laney, is there soname changes? | 10:54 |
| Laney | yeah | 10:54 |
| Laney | well, maybe not for 3.9.5 but certainly for 3.10 | 10:54 |
| Laney | it is e-d-s after all :P | 10:55 |
| mardy | seb128, Laney: a diff of the configure.ac between the 3.8.4 and 3.9.5 releases shows that the _CURRENT field of some libs was bumped (I don't remember if that counts as a soname bump) | 11:00 |
| mardy | seb128, Laney: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6175141/ | 11:01 |
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| seb128 | mardy, the soname is current-age iirc | 11:02 |
| Laney | It does, that's the major version | 11:02 |
| Laney | And we couldn't take a random mid-cycle development version anyway | 11:03 |
| mardy | Laney: OK | 11:03 |
| Laney | Maybe the individual fix is cherry-pickable, but I'd bet probably not | 11:03 |
| mardy | Laney: I could have a look at it | 11:37 |
| mardy | Laney: no, it doesn't seem to be cherry-pickable | 11:41 |
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| labsin | ping mardy | 13:16 |
| mardy | labsin: pong | 13:38 |
| labsin | mardy, I'm trying to add a online account provider but I run in errors | 13:39 |
| labsin | mardy, they told me you could maybe help | 13:40 |
| mardy | labsin: yep. Do you have the .provider file somewhere online where I can see it? | 13:44 |
| labsin | mardy, http://pastebin.com/sV0qcwHs | 13:45 |
| mardy | labsin: where is the mobilevikings OAuth API documented? I can't find it | 13:47 |
| labsin | mardy, https://mobilevikings.com/api/2.0/doc/ | 13:47 |
| mardy | labsin: right, just found it. Your file seems correct, what error do you get? | 13:50 |
| labsin | mardy, If I launch gnome-control-center verbose, I get "(gnome-control-center:1194): account-plugin-WARNING **: AuthSession error: GDBus.Error:com.google.code.AccountsSSO.SingleSignOn.Error.OperationFailed: Operation failed." | 13:52 |
| labsin | http://paste.ubuntu.com/6175651/ | 13:53 |
| mardy | labsin: I need to quit now, could you please send me more logs to e-mail? (set the LoggingLevel to 2 in /etc/signond.conf, and then you'll see more logs in the syslog) | 13:53 |
| mardy | labsin: alberto.mardegan@canonical.com | 13:53 |
| labsin | mardy, tnx | 13:53 |
| pitti | jibel: FYI, I reported bug 1233185 with a simplified test case of what is broken in gdb-multiarch for retracing ARM | 14:05 |
| ubottu | bug 1233185 in gdb (Ubuntu) "gdb-multiarch cannot read ARM cores: "wrong size gregset struct in core file"" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1233185 | 14:05 |
| jibel | pitti, thanks, subscribed. For the moment, I produce most traces on the phone. | 14:09 |
| pitti | jibel: it seems precise's gdb-multiarch still works, so I'll run the ARM ones under precise | 14:10 |
| pitti | jibel: do you happen to have a bug # handy for one which is broken? | 14:10 |
| pitti | jibel: using bug 1227546 | 14:13 |
| ubottu | bug 1227546 in unity8 (Ubuntu) "unity8 crashed with SIGSEGV" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1227546 | 14:13 |
| jibel | pitti, ok or bug 1233191 . It's smaller than unity8 | 14:15 |
| ubottu | bug 1233191 in upstart-app-launch (Ubuntu) "zg-report-app crashed with signal 5 in _start()" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1233191 | 14:15 |
| jibel | pitti, trace on 1233191 looks a bit better | 14:35 |
| pitti | re | 14:43 |
| pitti | jibel: indeed, at least usable | 14:43 |
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| catbus1 | Hi, anyone know when the next UDS will be? | 15:32 |
| smartboyhw | catbus1, approximately October 20 something (I believe) | 15:33 |
| catbus1 | smartboyhw: ok, like right after 13.10 is release.. thanks. | 15:35 |
| catbus1 | s/release/released | 15:36 |
| dobey | catbus1, smartboyhw: november would be 3 months since the last one | 15:38 |
| smartboyhw | dobey, so? Aren't we planning for 2 months? | 15:39 |
| smartboyhw | (Or maybe the Community Team changed it's schedule, dunno) | 15:39 |
| dobey | smartboyhw: they are supposed to be every 3 months afaik | 15:39 |
| dobey | and they have been | 15:39 |
| smartboyhw | I remembered it was one in April, one in June, one in August-.- | 15:40 |
| stgraber | so far we had early March, mid-May and end of August | 15:40 |
| dobey | right | 15:40 |
| dobey | and the march one was the odd one out | 15:40 |
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| * smartboyhw does not exactly like vUDS, anyhow | 15:41 | |
| smoser | stgraber, if you have some time .. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/isc-dhcp/+bug/1231988 would be nice to read that. | 15:44 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 1231988 in isc-dhcp (Ubuntu) "isc-dhcp-server creates pid and leases file with root:root if running unpriviledge" [Undecided,New] | 15:44 |
| stgraber | smoser: might be good to have mdeslaur double check the patch, but a quick look through looks good to me so I guess we can add that to our package | 15:52 |
| stgraber | smoser: (and you're correct that ISC doesn't have a public bug tracker, as annoying as that's ...) | 15:53 |
| smoser | stgraber, the real pita is there... | 15:53 |
| smoser | that we have will then have this is we have to patch the package to deal with the old-working, old-broken, now-working | 15:54 |
| stgraber | yeah, it's really quite annoying having to watch 3-4 distros to figure out who already found a particular issue and then try and share patches... | 15:54 |
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| smoser | hey... | 16:47 |
| smoser | anyone have suggestions on this approach. | 16:47 |
| smoser | for 'python-simplestreams' it contains some function that depends on some openstack libraries (python-glanceclient, python-swiftclient). | 16:48 |
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| smoser | we want python-simplstreams to be installable without those. | 16:48 |
| smoser | the suggestion that rbasak had was just to add a metapackage 'python-openstack' that had the depdends. | 16:49 |
| smoser | and drop the depends form python-simpelstreams | 16:49 |
| smoser | err.. 'python-simplestreams-openstack' above (not 'python-openstack'). | 16:49 |
| smoser | hm... barry maybe ? sorry to call you out by name, but this seems to be a reasonbable solution to me. anyone? | 16:57 |
| barry | smoser: at quick glance (sorry, very busy atm) that seems reasonable | 16:58 |
| smoser | thank you. (i fully understand the "very busy" disclaimer) | 17:00 |
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| jtaylor | barry: would you sponsor a new numpy stable release rc for saucy? | 18:18 |
| jtaylor | final release might not be done for saucy, but many changes are unlikely | 18:19 |
| barry | jtaylor: i'm slammed right now. if you can't find anyone else, ping me again in a few hours | 18:21 |
| jtaylor | not today, generally | 18:21 |
| robert_ancell | mterry, did you test that make check works with the new --standalone change? I fixed the tests yesterday | 20:19 |
| robert_ancell | mterry, (I'm pretty sure it will fail with that change) | 20:20 |
| robert_ancell | mterry, though we can just ditch the standalone now we have https://code.launchpad.net/~mterry/unity-system-compositor/assume-standalone/+merge/188395 right? | 20:20 |
| robert_ancell | oh, I see the no-standalone branch now | 20:21 |
| mterry | robert_ancell, yeah though I should update no-standalone to drop the handling in the test u-s-c | 20:22 |
| mterry | robert_ancell, OK, updated both branches' test USCs | 20:23 |
| mterry | robert_ancell, I'm not super pleased with the assume-standalone branch. I wish Mir's option handling let you specify a default for an option (rather than as an argument to get() each call) | 20:24 |
| mterry | robert_ancell, and I wish that default showed up in help() automatically | 20:24 |
| robert_ancell | mterry, yeah, I don't know of any method to do that | 20:24 |
| brainwash | seb128: can you have a look at bug 1231978 please? it looks like the recent gvfs "bug fix" update is causing some trouble, affecting thunar and pcmanfm users | 21:28 |
| ubottu | bug 1231978 in thunar (Ubuntu) "Thunar 1.6.3 locks when browsing Trash with Xubuntu 13.10 Beta 2 and following dailies" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1231978 | 21:28 |
| seb128 | brainwash, somebody should report the issue upstream, I didn't do that update | 21:28 |
| brainwash | seb128: ok, I'll report it upstream after some more testing, thanks :) | 21:31 |
| seb128 | brainwash, yw, thanks for reporting it there | 21:31 |
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| tomreyn | hi | 22:58 |
| tomreyn | i'm looking for some statistics on how many users there are (or just ISO downloads) on 32 vs 64 bit | 22:59 |
| tomreyn | any idea where i could find those? | 22:59 |
| jtaylor | tomreyn: http://popcon.ubuntu.com/ | 23:28 |
| jtaylor | 64 vs 32 debian is interesting too, there 64 overtook 32 a short while ago: http://popcon.debian.org/ | 23:29 |
| tomreyn | jtaylor: thank you! | 23:32 |
| tomreyn | that's like a year ago | 23:32 |
| tomreyn | i guess you could consider that a short while based on debian's lifetime | 23:33 |
| sarnold | tomreyn: don't forget that at least ubuntu.com/download suggests 32 bit and pre-selects 32 bit.. | 23:43 |
| sarnold | tomreyn: depending upon what you're trying to measure (installed architectures vs types of CPUs in use) you might get skewed results one way or another.. | 23:44 |
| tomreyn | sarnold: thanks, i'll keep this in mind. but i'm really after what people use as installed architectures, so i guess i'm fine. | 23:52 |
| tomreyn | what's the design choice behind defaulting to 32-bit, i never understand this. | 23:52 |
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