[02:32] <roasted_> hello friends
[02:32] <roasted_> what is the long term goal for Gnome 3.10 and PPAs? Will it be consolidated into one PPA?
[03:36] <darkxst> roasted, yes, but there are some bits that need to be implemented in unity first
[03:37] <roasted> darkxst: will they land with the official release of 13.10, or will two PPAs be needed for this cycle?
[03:38] <darkxst> roasted, nope, but we can backport them to 13.10 once its fixed in T
[03:38] <roasted> sorry, forgive me - 'nope' to what? the landing in official release, or two PPAs being needed?
[03:42] <darkxst> nope to landing in the official release
[03:43] <roasted> so two PPAs will be needed after all?
[03:44] <darkxst> so there will be two ppa's needed for the time being
[03:44] <roasted> oh
[03:44] <roasted> sounds hackery :/
[03:44] <darkxst> a lot of the stuff in staging is blocked by the gnome-desktop update
[03:44] <darkxst> because that 100% breaks unity
[03:47] <roasted> hm
[03:47] <roasted> I guess I just don't understand enough of the backend to connect the dots.
[03:47] <roasted> Cause I'm sitting her ethinking, what does Unity have to do with anything?
[03:50] <darkxst> just that a PPA thats supposed to be stable, should going breaking other things
[03:51] <darkxst> and there are users that use both gnome-shell and unity
[03:51] <roasted> hm
[03:51] <roasted> I would think someone on Ubuntu GNOME would be using Gnome only.
[03:53] <darkxst> there are people who use gnome3 ppa's with normal Ubuntu
[03:57] <roasted_> sorry, dang router shut off again
[03:57] <roasted_> I think my last message got missed....
[03:57] <roasted_> bottom line, to get 3.10 in 13.10, two PPAs needed. eh?
[04:02] <roasted_> darkxst: would it be out of the question to consider an intentional derailment of Ubuntu GNOME's release date?
[04:03] <roasted_> I'm not a dev, so don't hate me for thinking out loud here, but I would think intentionally delaying Ubuntu GNOME's release date by 2 months, thereby granting a 3 month window from Gnome's latest release vs Ubuntu GNOME's release date, would fair a bit better.
[04:03] <roasted_> As opposed to managing all of these PPAs and whatnot.
[04:15] <bjsnider> maybe you should get your router fixed or replaced
[04:16] <roasted> yep. I know it.
[04:16] <roasted> Looking up a few models that the local shop has online. I hope to pick one up tomorrow over lunch.
[04:17] <roasted> for now I'll see how the web client fares vs quassel
[04:17] <bjsnider> the one recommended by maximumpc right now is...
[04:17] <bjsnider> the Asus RT-N66U Dark Knight
[04:17] <roasted> yeah, I've heard that come up time and time again.
[04:18] <roasted> Does that run ddwrt?
[04:18] <bjsnider> http://www.maximumpc.com/asus_rt-n66u_wi-fi_router_review
[04:18] <roasted> yeah looks like it
[04:18] <roasted> there's a dd-wrt download available for my router
[04:18] <roasted> wifi n, gigabit, etc... figured it's wroth a shot. maybe I'll do that tomorrow morning before work.
[04:18] <bjsnider> i hate it when people buy crappy routers
[04:19] <bjsnider> and almost every router is crap
[04:19] <roasted> I had no problems with my router until recently.
[04:19] <roasted> I've definitely put it through its paces in the 2 years I had it.
[04:20] <roasted> I thought about just making my server a router, but I don't have much time to tinker with that right now.
[04:20] <roasted> but yeah I'll try dd-wrt on my router first to see if I can get a no-cost solution. Otherwise I'll see what I can find.
[04:20] <roasted> that ASUS was one of them that I eyeballed already.
[04:21] <roasted> anyway, about gnome - is that an out of this world suggestion/question?
[04:35] <roasted> well, thanks anyway. gotta run. farewell friends.
[07:21] <ph_afk> darkxst, howdy :)
[07:21] <darkxst> hi
[07:21] <ph_afk> darkxst, ok back in a bit
[07:21] <darkxst> ok
[07:23] <ph_> darkxst, btw does that come with gnome-tweak-tool 3.10? coz i built that from git
[07:24] <darkxst> ph yes
[07:26] <ph_> darkxst, nice - is gnome-screensaver providing the lock screen still btw?
[07:26] <darkxst> ph_, now gnome-shell provides it these days (since 3.0)
[07:26] <ph_> lol - ok so I don't need to install gnome-screensaver then?
[07:27] <darkxst> no
[07:27] <ph_> i installed it coz i had no lock screen thinking that was the problem - no probs then I'll just remove it
[07:48] <ph_> darkxst, ok where do I start. my monitor is being detected as 7" so everything looks HUGE on it, huge fonts etc, still no network icon, screen lock menu item, no screensaver option anywhere, no border around files, or settings, and no accessibility menu also
[07:48] <darkxst> ph_, did you reboot? sounds like gnome-settings-daemon is not runnig
[07:49] <ph_> yep rebooted
[07:49] <darkxst> can you paste ~/.cache/upstart/gnome-settings-daemon
[07:49] <ph_> yep
[07:50] <ph_> http://tinyurl.com/pe8dl6y
[07:51] <ph_> darkxst, r u going to be here for a bit - i'm just gonna eat real quick
[07:51] <darkxst> ph_ are you sure you are running g-s-d 3.10?
[07:53] <ph_> darkxst, g-s just crashed - yeah i am running g-s-d 3.10 just checked in synaptic
[07:53] <ph_> brb - just gonna eat real quick
[07:53] <darkxst> ok
[07:54] <darkxst> try running 'gnome-settings-daemon -r' from a terminal when your back
[08:07] <ph_> hi darkxst
[08:09] <ph_> darkxst, back now :)
[08:13] <ph_> darkxst, at-spi2 log http://tinyurl.com/k4mz2ly
[08:13] <ph_> darkxst, dbus log http://tinyurl.com/m7pl9me
[08:13] <ph_> darkxst, gnome-session log http://tinyurl.com/lpafg2v
[08:14] <ph_> darkxst, any others you might need to help me out with this?
[08:14] <ph_> it's a fresh install of Ubuntu 13.10 from daily builds btw
[08:16] <darkxst> what happens when you run  'gnome-settings-daemon -r'
[08:17] <darkxst> also if you have a /var/crash/_usr_lib_gnome-settings-daemon* file, run ubuntu-bug on it
[08:19] <ph_> darkxst, these are in my crash folder http://tinyurl.com/ke3es72
[08:20] <ph_> darkxst, this is what i get when running g-s-d -r http://tinyurl.com/pmr2hqy
[08:21] <darkxst> so g-s-d hasnt crashed, and that message is otherwise harmless
[08:21] <ph_> darkxst, the overlay scrollbar error is because i uninstalled it because no scroll working in gedit and a couple of other apps
[08:21] <darkxst> you really have no window decorations?
[08:22] <ph_> just some windows have no window decorations - like nautilus
[08:22] <ph_> and when i go into settings also
[08:23] <darkxst> we dont install overlay scrollbars in Ubuntu GNOME
[08:24] <darkxst> Are you using Ubuntu GNOME or just normal Ubuntu?
[08:24] <ph_> ah this isn't an ubuntu gnome install because i had some major issues with that crashing in certain scenarios
[08:24] <ph_> ubuntu 13.10 then gnome-shell on top
[08:24] <darkxst> try install ubuntu-gnome-desktop, its possible you have some missing deps
[08:25] <ph_> lol 59 missing packages
[08:25] <ph_> i'll reboot and see how i go after that
[08:26] <ph_> darkxst, btw r u running lightdm or gdm?
[08:26] <darkxst> gdm
[08:27] <darkxst> lockscreen wont work with lightdm
[08:27] <ph_> ah hah! well that could be it then
[08:27] <ph_> ok it's asking me now to switch to gdm
[08:28] <ph_> alrighty restarting in a bit just gotta mod the grub again
[08:38] <ph_> darkxst, ok lock screen is working but nautilus isn't running at all now
[08:39] <darkxst> nautilus is fine here
[08:39] <ph_> darkxst, i had to run nautilus -q first then i started it again and it runs but heaps of errors in console and no decorations for it still
[08:40] <darkxst> paste them then
[08:40] <ph_> darkxst, http://tinyurl.com/mkdd8xc
[08:42] <darkxst> no idea about that one, could be some UBuntu setting though
[08:42] <ph_> still no accesiblity menu, network menu and not sure what else i'm missing
[08:43] <ph_> network-manager is 0.9.8.4
[08:44] <darkxst> network menu only works for wifi
[08:44] <darkxst> since it requires network-manager 0.9.9 which isnt released yet
[08:45] <ph_> ok - i don't have wifi - but i have bluetooth which isn't working at all (not detecting my onboard bluetooth device)
[08:45] <ph_> but it would be nice to have network icon still visible for easy way to access and change network settings
[08:45] <ph_> even for wired
[08:47] <darkxst> yeh it will come, when network-manager update is released
[08:47] <darkxst> I have no idea what is happening with accessibilty icon, I also havent seen that in a while
[08:47] <darkxst> and tbh your the first person to complain about it being missing!
[08:52] <ph_> darkxst, not complaining :P just wondering where it's disappeared to, it's more that I'm not sure what I am missing to tell the truth
[08:53] <ph_> here is my desktop http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7413/10016081926_447d29fbb1_b.jpg
[08:53] <ph_> darkxst,you can see the files and settings windows have no decorations but hexchat in the background does and you can see my topbar
[08:56] <ph_> darkxst, this is of my main menu http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5502/10016127785_cd1c7a1ca9_b.jpg
[08:57] <ph_> see the huge font
[08:58] <ph_> darkxst, btw the huge font thing happened to me on a ubuntu gnome daily build along with staging also
[09:00] <ph_> also I can crash gnome-shell easily by opening up terminal, run sudo su, and then gedit from within the terminal. With gedit open if I flick my mouse up to activities it will crash gnome shell - that's why i decided to do a ubuntu 13.10 with gnome on top it doesn't happen in there
[09:00] <ph_> darkxst, also how do i recover with gdm crash what's the best way to close down gdm and restart it?
[09:01] <darkxst> gdm shouldnt crash but 'sudo service gdm restart' will do it
[09:23] <ph_afk> darkxst, is it easy enough for me to purge the packages from the staging ppa?
[09:23] <ph_> or would you like me to be a bit of a ginnea pig for resolving the HUGE font and cursors problem?
[10:06] <darkxst> ph_afk, did you try adwaita? could just be your theme is not compatible with 3.10
[10:06] <darkxst> but otherwise ppa-purge should work fine
[10:17] <ph_> darkxst, yeah i tried it but no luck - i am downloading the latest ubuntu gnome desktop cd and will install from that and see how i go
[10:18] <darkxst> ppa-purge in the archives is crappy
[10:18] <darkxst> grab the one from ppa:darkxst/ppa or xorg-edgers
[10:19] <ph_> darkxst, ok thanks i'll try it out once i rebuild
[10:20] <darkxst> my patches to fix ppa-purge have been waiting to be merged for ~9months  now
[10:20] <ph_> jesus
[10:20] <ph_> do you have xorg-edgers ppa as well?
[10:21] <ph_> darkxst, is it a good thing to have? or better to stay with vanila and gnome3 team ppa's?
[10:21] <darkxst> xorg-edgers is crack
[10:22] <ph_> darkxst, i read that but what does that actually mean :P
[10:22] <darkxst> it will possibly work most of the time, but it will definately break from time to time
[10:22] <ph_> right - so I think i will avoid that then :P
[10:24] <ph_> alrighty well thanks for the help - i'll do an install, add gnome3-next ppa update from that, reboot, and ghost and then update from the staging and see what happens if i have huge fonts etc still at that point
[10:30] <darkxst> I still think the fonts thing is your theme
[13:20] <roasted> hello friends
[20:00] <Ponch0> hello class
[20:01] <Ponch0> software updater isn't working since my upgrade "hehe", sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade enough?
[20:50] <fruto> if it was gnome2...
[20:56] <bjsnider> upgrade to what from what