[05:29] <Myrtti> go'morron
[05:29] <MartijnVdS> \o
[05:42] <MartijnVdS> I'm like this: http://xkcd.com/1271/
[07:52] <damon> ug
[07:57] <DJones> Morning
[07:59] <DJones> Would anybody recommend a particular make/model/provider for a mifi, I'm contemplating getting one but don't know much about them, ideally a payG one were the bandwidth allowance doesn't expire after a set time, so if I only use it occasionally, the bandwidth isn't going to vanish if not used
[08:00] <directhex> they all have expiry
[08:00] <directhex> the question is how long the expiry is
[08:01] <directhex> the longest option is a 12-month prepay
[08:02] <directhex> which three do for £109, with the dongle and 12G of bandwidth
[08:03] <directhex> EE you get 90 days and 6GB for £90
[08:03] <DJones> By choice, I'd ratehr buy one with an amount of prepaid bandwidth and just top up when it runs out
[08:04] <directhex> t-mobile and orange don't do PAYG on a mifi
[08:04] <DJones> A bit a to think about then
[08:04] <directhex> three: http://store.three.co.uk/view/product/ql_catalog/threecatdevice/2566 (Pay As You Go +12) option on the right
[08:05] <directhex> ee: http://shop.ee.co.uk/alcatel-y800-mobile-wifi/all/details/?type=payg
[08:06] <directhex> o2: 2gb, £58, 30 day expiry. https://www.o2.co.uk/shop/hotspots/zte-mf60/o2-pocket-hotspot/
[08:06] <directhex> vodapony: 2gb, £45, 30 day expiry. http://www.vodafone.co.uk/shop/dongles-and-mobile-wi-fi/index.htm
[08:06] <DJones> The three one looks about the best option out of those in terms of length and bandwidth
[08:08] <directhex> virgin don't do mifi, or payg mobile broadband
[08:08] <directhex> those are your options, really
[08:08] <DJones> Wonder if giffgaff do anything
[08:09] <DJones> Doesn't appear so
[08:12] <MooDoo> morning all
[08:12] <DJones> Thanks for the suggestions, out of all of them three looks the most cost effective
[08:13] <DJones> Now for my next task, finding out if a G3S screen can be replaced
[08:17] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[08:18] <MooDoo> morning
[08:22] <Myrtti> bigcalm: did you get a new microwave oven yet?
[08:22] <Myrtti> popey: ahihi new socks ♥
[08:23] <bigcalm> Myrtti: I did indeed. No idea if it's any good though. It's still in its box in the sitting room
[08:23] <Myrtti> bigcalm: which one did you get then? I'm intrigued
[08:24]  * bigcalm goes to look :)
[08:24] <bigcalm> Myrtti: http://www.tesco.com/direct/tricity-tfmg2312-23l-800w-microwave-with-grill/215-1914.prd
[08:26] <bigcalm> Tesco had a lot of different models on display but only a few actually available to buy
[08:26] <Myrtti> ooh, looks spiffing
[08:30] <bigcalm> Looks like a microwave to me. I hope it lasts longer than the last one (by Tesco). That died after 5 years
[08:30] <MartijnVdS> My IKEA one has a 10-year warranty I think
[08:32] <directhex> the timer dial on my samsung is sorta dead, so when you try to turn the time down it turns up instead, sometimes
[08:33] <MartijnVdS> loose contact somewhere?
[08:33]  * MartijnVdS hands directhex a soldering iron
[08:52] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Nautilus Commissioning Day! :-D
[08:52]  * MartijnVdS starts a file manager instance
[08:54] <JamesTait> MartijnVdS, it was the first thing that came to my mind as well.
[09:04] <bigcalm> As it's Monday morning, I think that people should test http://cuth.eu:18080/ is still coping with multiple users
[09:05] <jussi> bigcalm: what is that?
[09:06] <bigcalm> jussi: node.js with socket.io - keeping a socket open to multiple users and broadcasting data between them
[09:06] <jussi> interesting...
[09:06]  * AlanBell is looking at websockets too, but with PHP on the back end
[09:09] <gordonjcp> bigcalm: connected, can't see anyone else
[09:09] <bigcalm> gordonjcp: oh? What web browser are you using?
[09:15] <jussi> stupd webdesigners/sysadmins are stupid...
[09:16] <jussi> seriously, who is the idiot that still requires me to input www. into the address?
[09:16] <MartijnVdS> jussi: when you find them, tell them about http://no-www.org/
[09:16] <Seeker`> jussi: but how will they know you want the website without the 'www'?!?!?!
[09:16] <jussi> Seeker`: sssh :P :P
[09:18] <Monotoko> mornin'
[09:23] <bigcalm> I've hijacked the conversation by moving it to a web browser ;)
[09:29] <jussi> anyone know what /etc/default/rcS is for?
[09:30] <jussi> (got asked about it on my saucy upgrade)
[09:30] <MartijnVdS> jussi: to quote the script:
[09:30] <MartijnVdS> jussi: # Default settings for the scripts in /etc/rcS.d/
[09:30] <MartijnVdS> jussi: # For information about these variables see the rcS(5) manual page.
[09:31] <jussi> ahh
[09:31] <jussi> well then
[09:31] <jussi> NAME
[09:31] <jussi>        rcS - variables that affect the behavior of boot scripts
[09:31] <jussi> that kinda says it all
[09:42] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[09:42] <MooDoo> morning brobostigon
[09:42] <brobostigon> morning MooDoo
[09:43] <MooDoo> :) upgraded to saucy the other day, anyone with an nvidia adapter in a laptop done it yet?  I'm curious about something
[09:44] <brobostigon> :)
[10:02] <davmor2> Morning all
[10:02] <MooDoo> morning davmor2
[10:03] <brobostigon> morning davmor2
[10:03] <davmor2> Is it just me or did anyone else blink and miss the weekend?
[10:04] <MooDoo> davmor2: you meant it's not friday?
[10:04] <MooDoo> ffs
[10:05]  * MartijnVdS has a day off.. preparing for a new job tomorrow
[10:05] <davmor2> MooDoo: no unfortunately,  You'll have to remember not to blink till Monday
[10:05] <davmor2> MartijnVdS: ohhhhhhhhhhhh, what's the new job?
[10:06] <MartijnVdS> http://www.dontblinktees.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/designthumb_kcadb-original.png
[10:06] <MooDoo> oh congrats MartijnVdS
[10:06] <MartijnVdS> davmor2: Going to be a lead dev for transip (VPS hoster/website hoster/DNS/domain name registration thingy)
[10:07] <MooDoo> MartijnVdS: you mean an ISP ;)
[10:07] <MartijnVdS> MooDoo: I used to work for an ISP -- thousands of DSL/fibre connections and a bit of webhosting
[10:07] <MooDoo> :)
[10:08] <MartijnVdS> MooDoo: this one is the other half of ISP-land, VPSes, web hosting, etc and no dsl/fibre/etc :)
[10:08] <MooDoo> yay
[10:08] <TheOpenSourcerer> Congrats MartijnVdS
[10:08] <MartijnVdS> Old company wanted to get rid of all devs
[10:09] <MartijnVdS> So I started looking for a new job
[10:09] <MartijnVdS> One week after I signed the contract.. "Yeah.. we're not going to outsource development"
[10:09] <MartijnVdS> (for at least 6 more months..)
[10:11] <MartijnVdS> anyway.. excited for tomorrow ;)
[10:13] <AlanBell> why doesn't ubuntu have /tmp mounted as tmpfs by default?
[10:14] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: because sometimes you want to store things in /tmp that are larger than RAM
[10:15] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: it's only mounted as tmpfs if / is full on boot
[10:16] <AlanBell> nope, it gets mounted as overflow if / fills up
[10:16] <AlanBell> and then you are cool for a week, then strange things happen when mysql can't use it
[10:17] <AlanBell> because the 1M overflow mounted /tmp runs out of space
[10:20] <AlanBell> so top tip, sort out tmp or just reboot after fixing a disk space problem
[10:25] <TheOpenSourcerer> Big Ubuntu desktop installation: https://joinup.ec.europa.eu/community/osor/news/french-gendarmerie-open-source-desktop-lowers-tco-40
[10:28] <popey> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GendBuntu
[10:28] <popey> i saw ubuntu on Rymans stationers on the weekend
[10:29] <TheOpenSourcerer> Cool.
[10:29] <davmor2> popey: on what?
[10:29] <popey> a pc
[10:29] <TheOpenSourcerer> That's a massive install - will be ~75k machines.
[10:29] <popey> the in store people were using it for booking DHL pickups
[10:30] <davmor2> popey: haha
[10:30] <popey> those close/max/min buttons really stick out ☻
[10:31] <TheOpenSourcerer> When popey uses ☻ I am always reminded of the Black & White Minstrel Show.
[10:31] <davmor2> TheOpenSourcerer: hahaha
[10:31] <popey> ☹
[10:32] <davmor2> TheOpenSourcerer: you are an evil man because of course that's all I'll see now too,  Along with the Ma'amy how I love ya sound track :D
[10:33] <MooDoo> and the jazz hansd
[10:33] <TheOpenSourcerer> lol - that was such an "un-PC" programme when you look back at it now. Amazing.
[10:35] <davmor2> TheOpenSourcerer: PC didn't exist then and tv was all the better for it :D
[10:36] <TheOpenSourcerer> Dunno about that really. "Till Death Us do part", "On the Buses", "Benny Hill"...
[10:36] <TheOpenSourcerer> There were some really bad shows.
[10:37] <kecskebak> And some really good ones - Spike Milligan's Q was as un-PC as you can get, but it was utterly brilliant.
[10:41] <popey> hehe, wondered when kecskebak would wake up, as the certified fanboy of "old telly" :D
[10:41] <kecskebak> popey - Sadly, I'm most interested in the bits before, after and between the programmes!
[10:41] <popey> true..
[10:44] <kecskebak> I think there was a lot of bad television in the 60s and 70s simply due to the amount produced and the amount of experimentation done. Sadly, if you get a good show now it's done to death, until eventually it's remembered as a bad show.
[10:45] <MooDoo> The Prisoner was a good tv show
[10:45] <kecskebak> However there was a lot of good television in the 60s and 70s - the collapse of cinema attendances then is a testament to that.
[10:45] <popey> The battle between TV and cinema is interesting to follow.
[10:45] <popey> Especially how it led to things like widescreen, HD, 3D, 4K etc
[10:46] <kecskebak> Yes, and even Granada - a cinema company wanted Manchester as all their cinemas were in the south
[10:46] <kecskebak> So they wouldn't compete with themselves. ABC, the company that became Thames and started did the Avengers was a cinema company part owned by Warner Brothers.
[10:47] <kecskebak> Thames studios in Teddington where they made Rainbow was the old Warner Brothers UK studios.
[10:48] <kecskebak> And of course Southern TV with Jack Hargreaves musty shed was a third owned by the Rank Organisation - there was always a large cinema interest in British television.
[10:49] <bigcalm> Cor
[11:01] <popey> Never knew that!
[11:01]  * popey fondly remembers the ABC and Odeon Cinemas in Aldershot. All of them gone now
[11:02] <popey> http://www.flickr.com/photos/oldcinemaphotos/2298427340/in/set-72157603887899628
[11:02] <popey> used to queue round the block there
[11:03]  * brobostigon puts bbc2 on, for a good laugh at george osborne.
[11:11]  * bigcalm grumbles at working - want to play with node.js
[11:13]  * popey succeeds at lunch
[11:13] <MooDoo> bigcalm: fancy being at work and working :s
[11:13] <popey> wrap, spready with mayo and mint sauce, slice of cheese, left over lamb from yesterday's lunch, wrap up, stick in microwave for 1 min
[11:13] <popey> nom
[11:14] <bigcalm> MooDoo: right now I am documenting a process, it's dull
[11:15] <MooDoo> bigcalm: make it fun, see if you can implement film quotes into it, There can be only one process involved,
[11:15] <bigcalm> Heh
[11:15] <MooDoo> bigcalm: i couldn't think how you'd use yippe kyay muther **** in it
[11:16] <bigcalm> It's for a technical document. I wonder if my client would mind that
[11:16]  * brobostigon walks up to the tv, and metaphoriclly sticks his thumb up george osborne's nose
[11:17] <bigcalm> Unhappy times?
[11:17] <MooDoo> brobostigon: just beacuase he's making people who have been on the dole for 2 years work for their money?
[11:17] <brobostigon> MooDoo: no, i just dont like him.
[11:18] <MooDoo> oh lol go for it then lol
[11:18] <brobostigon> yay.
[11:22] <jussi> hrm
[11:23] <jussi> what is that hting called that you plug into one HDMI port and it gives you 5, that you can switch between? like a power board but for HDMI.. ?
[11:24] <popey> http://www.amazon.co.uk/Duronic-HRS1031-Port-Switch-Remote/dp/B00204IE20/ref=wl_it_dp_o_pC_nS_nC?ie=UTF8&colid=29FWHGD2GAECA&coliid=I1OIQHHHJJBWJM
[11:24] <popey> one of them?
[11:24] <popey> switch box
[11:25] <jussi> yeah, one of them. now to find it on dx.com :P
[11:25] <MartijnVdS> I call it my receiver 8-)
[11:25] <popey> they have lots
[11:26] <MartijnVdS> it switches the right HDMI input to HDMI-out based on its preset
[11:28] <jussi> (I dont think amazon electronics is available in .fi)
[11:30] <jussi> yep, loooks like aboput 15$ will get me something decent, now just o choose which one
[11:32] <popey> jussi: lemme know which one you get, I plucked that link from my amazon wishlist
[11:32] <popey> I want one but dunno which to get
[11:33] <jussi> popey: yeah, I will do.
[11:33] <jussi> there are just so many choices...
[11:34] <davmor2> TheOpenSourcerer: Sorry for being late to the tv argument had to run an errand.  This was also the era that brought us, Thunderbirds, the muppets, stingray, Starwars, Startrek, Man from Uncle, Bond, Joe 90, Morcome and wise, The two ronnies, Monty Python, blazing saddles etc etc etc  Most of which were PC
[11:34] <MooDoo> fireball xl5
[11:34] <davmor2> were not pc even
[11:34] <kecskebak> I think my favourite programme from the 60s/70s was "Vision On" - probably the most creative use of television imaginable
[11:35] <kecskebak> I look at the programme now in utter amazement.
[11:36] <jussi> popey: this one looks decent, although it doesnt come with a power supply according to the comments underneath (not mandatory, but some devices need it) http://dx.com/p/rm501-6-port-1080p-hdmi-v1-3-switch-w-remote-control-black-silver-5-in-1-out-148298
[11:38] <davmor2> TheOpenSourcerer: not to mention the Carry on Films, Les Dawson, The Good life, To the manner born, Upstairs Down stairs, The power game, Tinker Taylor Soldier Spy (the original and better version)  :)
[11:38] <MooDoo> The adventure game, although I think that was the 80's
[11:40] <davmor2> Not like that, Jus' like that was also coined in that era :)
[11:40] <kecskebak> Patrick Dowling, the creator of The Adventure Game wrote a tie-in game for the BBC Micro - released by Acornsoft. http://youtu.be/sCcO_yFJZxw
[11:41] <davmor2> kecskebak: you have too much time on your hands obviously :)  but all interest stuff :)
[11:41] <kecskebak> I think I better leave and let Ubuntu-UK have their IRC channel back :)
[11:41] <popey> hah
[11:41] <MooDoo> doogy rev kecskebak  ;)
[11:42] <kecskebak> davmor2: I actually don't watch any television at all these days, but I used to work for ITV so my excuse is it's my living.
[11:43] <kecskebak> davmor2: There will be some stuff I did in Synfig and Blender on BBC Northern Ireland very soon.
[11:43] <popey> Oh nice!
[11:46] <jussi> popey: that link is the one I ordered. Ill let you know how it looks...
[11:46] <popey> great!
[11:47] <bigcalm> Look what I'm going to try tonight ;) https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/7823054848/h93730ACB/
[11:48] <davmor2> kecskebak: nice :)
[11:49] <davmor2> bigcalm: be sure to film you getting off the chair :)
[11:49] <bigcalm> davmor2: who said it would be filmed, I'm not that stupid :P
[11:50] <davmor2> bigcalm: It wouldn't take much to bribe Mrs bigcalm to be to film it :D
[11:51] <bigcalm> davmor2: hey, no jumping the gun. There's just over 3 weeks to go now
[11:51] <davmor2> bigcalm: I forgot the coma after to be
[11:52] <bigcalm> Ah, makes more sense
[11:52] <bigcalm> 3 weeks, 5 days
[11:52]  * bigcalm tries to put it out of his mind and concentrate on work
[11:53] <davmor2> and 4 hours
[11:53] <bigcalm> Nope, 2.5 hours I think
[11:53] <bigcalm> 3.30pm
[11:53] <davmor2> bigcalm: if you're not counting it in hours it's not close enough yet
[14:50] <Laney> AlanBell: do you have any way to fix ubot2` being dead?
[14:55] <ali1234> doesn't jpds run that?
[15:34] <bigcalm> Any Nationwide users in here?
[15:35] <Guest90177> bank?
[15:35] <Guest90177> yes
[15:36]  * mungbean 
[15:37] <bigcalm> I've used their Flexi current account for many years. Just used their counter service and was suggested I might upgrade my current account. Wondered if anybody had any thoughts on the new ones
[15:38] <mungbean> i think their website is awful
[15:38] <bigcalm> Pondering the £10 a month for mobile insurance and car breakdown cover
[15:38] <mungbean> i didn't consider the paid account work the moneys
[15:38] <bigcalm> Yeah, I love their online banking, use it all the time
[15:39] <bigcalm> £120 for a year or mobile insurance and breakdown cover
[15:39] <bigcalm> Hummm
[15:39] <mungbean> you don't find it overly complex and unwiedly?
[15:39] <bigcalm> s/or/for/
[15:39] <bigcalm> Nope
[15:39] <bigcalm> The online banking is great for my use
[15:39] <mungbean> breakdown cover i get with tesco clubcard for around £40
[15:39] <mungbean> i have 3 accounts and wifey has abuot 3
[15:40] <mungbean> to get from my savings to wifes savings is a fail
[15:53] <davmor2> bigcalm: you are kidding me right?  That's dead cheap
[15:54] <davmor2> NOT
[16:05] <bigcalm> davmor2: I have no idea about these things
[16:05]  * bigcalm sticks with his free account
[16:21] <davmor2> bigcalm: it's somewhere between 20-40 over the top at a quick guess.  Most phone insurance is like 30-50 (depends on the phone more than anything else) most recovery packages start from 30 so just depends which one it is.
[16:22] <bigcalm> davmor2: fair enough
[16:22]  * bigcalm stays put
[16:39] <davmor2> bigcalm: oh that's interesting though, have a look into if it covers you and Haileys phones and cars.  Apparently one of the nice things is if you transfer a Joint account to the premium account it covers both phones and both cars at which point it becomes worth it apparently. http://www.moneysavingexpert.com/insurance/cheap-mobile-phone-insurance
[16:43] <bigcalm> I see
[16:44] <bigcalm> If it does, then I think Hayley should cancel her paid for account with Barkley’s
[16:46] <Laney> arf arf
[16:46] <bigcalm> ?
[16:50] <Laney> oh you know, just barking
[16:50] <bigcalm> Lolz
[17:33] <diddledan> I'm thinking of ipwning myself with a 5S - someone talk me out of it
[17:34]  * popey prefers the 4s to the 5s
[17:34] <shauno> do eet
[17:34] <diddledan> shauno: did you turn into arnie?
[17:35] <shauno> not that I know of
[17:35] <diddledan> popey: you're a fan of the smaller screen?
[17:38] <popey> yes, and the glass back
[17:39] <diddledan> problem with the glass back is it slides
[17:39] <popey> nah
[17:39] <popey> the nexus 4 does, the iphone 4s doesn't IME
[17:47] <Azelphur> I actually hate glass, it's one of the things I don't like about my nexus 4
[17:47] <Azelphur> whoever thought it'd be smart to design a slippery phone, I want to slap them.
[17:49] <popey> well indeed
[17:50] <popey> the nexus 4 is a terrible example
[17:50] <Azelphur> diddledan: also I don't need to talk you out of it, the specs and price should do that all by itself ;)
[17:51] <popey> those are only two factors in the purchase
[17:51] <Azelphur> hehe
[17:52] <Azelphur> popey: they are when someones trying to foist a shitty dual core off as £700 worth of hardware, pull the other one ;)
[17:52] <Azelphur> apple is usually bad, but that's just like...beyond anything
[17:53]  * popey shrugs
[17:53] <popey> I don't care ☻
[17:54] <Azelphur> the galaxy S4 is £300? cheaper and has a better screen, twice the RAM, microSD, a better camera (both front and back) and a CPU that's around 8x as fast lol
[17:54] <popey> the s4 benchmarks slower than the 5s
[17:54] <Azelphur> really?
[17:54] <popey> http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2424668,00.asp
[17:54]  * popey shrugs
[17:54]  * popey hasn't tested either
[17:55] <Myrtti> oooooooo I just realised I can buy ... erm
[17:55] <Myrtti> I suppose I should ask for somekind of a cover for the corruption Nexus4
[17:55] <Myrtti> so I don't smack it into pieces in my handbag
[17:55] <popey> I have two nexus 4 covers, a cheap plastic crap one
[17:56] <popey> and a fairly okay one
[17:56] <popey> both are horrible of course because they mean you can't hold the actual phone itself.
[17:56] <Myrtti> sorry, I can't parse that
[17:56] <popey> its like buying a car then driving round with it wrapped in bubble wrap
[17:56] <popey> hm.
[17:57] <popey> both covers are terrible, because when you put a cover on a phone, you can't hold the actual phone itself
[17:57] <diddledan> see, I always come back to the same dilemma - stay with apple and be able to use photoshop et. al. on a POSIX-based system which behaves just as I expect (CLI) or do I eschew proprietary and go with ubuntu - if I stay with apple on the desktop/laptop I might as well stay with apple on the mobile, too. If I go with ubuntu I lose out on photoshop and adobe edge stuffs, and might as well go with android for the mobile (because ubuntu touch is
[17:57] <diddledan>  still a baby - bless).
[17:57] <popey> (holding the phone itself is a nice thing imo) (depending on the phone)
[17:57] <Myrtti> popey: mm. I've learnt to live with it because I've been too cheap to buy stickers for my GNexus
[17:57] <Azelphur> popey: I notice geekbench doesn't seem to have the i5hone 5s listed, strange
[18:00] <popey> Myrtti: RingKe Fusion is the cover I have on the n4
[18:01] <popey> feels robust
[18:01] <Myrtti> popey: yeah, I'd have to find it from a Finnish shop :-(
[18:01] <Myrtti> or pay it from my own pocket
[18:02] <popey> happy to get one and forward it to you if that's any use
[18:02] <popey> but I guess d can do that too ☻
[18:02] <Myrtti> yeah, that's not a problem. It's just going to be my work phone so I'd rather let them pay for it
[18:03] <popey> ah
[18:03] <Myrtti> although after paying 400€ for the 8GB one I suppose it's not such a horrible thing if I chip in some of my pocket money
[18:03] <Myrtti> instead of letting them pay more
[18:06] <ali1234> why did they make the back of the phone glass?
[18:06] <diddledan> apple
[18:06] <ali1234> i mean why use glass except for the purposes of making transparent objects?
[18:06] <diddledan> apple
[18:06] <ali1234> what is the benefit??
[18:07] <diddledan> it looks like an iphone
[18:07] <ali1234> can you say "glass cannon"?
[18:07] <diddledan> banana hammock?
[18:07] <ali1234> bumblebee tuna?
[18:07] <popey> it feels nice
[18:07] <popey> feels "premium" I believe
[18:08] <ali1234> you know what feels nice? metal
[18:08] <popey> indeed
[18:08] <popey> which is why I like the 4s
[18:08] <diddledan> yeah it's all smooth like a baby's fingernail (politically correct censored version)
[18:08] <popey> metal & glass > plastic
[18:23] <Azelphur> popey: agree on that one, glass sucks :P
[18:24] <Myrtti> this looks quite well suited for my use so I might just get that. http://www.amazon.co.uk/GMYLE-Yellow-Leather-Wallet-Magnetic/dp/B00E0FV2G2/
[19:24] <lpapp> hey, do you know if gumtree has an API?
[19:24] <bigcalm> Sounds like the sort of site that would/should
[19:25] <lpapp> I could not find it.
[19:25] <zleap> lpapp, http://docs.codehaus.org/display/GUMTREE/GumTree+API+Summary
[19:25] <zleap> is that helpful
[19:26] <bigcalm> http://blog.gumtree.com/what-bloggers-think-of-the-sneak-peek-site/
[19:26] <bigcalm> Oh, better link than I found
[19:27] <zleap> np
[19:27] <ali1234> not really
[19:27] <ali1234> it's nothing to do with gumtree.com
[19:27] <zleap> ok sorry
[19:28] <ali1234> "GumTree is a modern software suite that aims to lower the barrier of performing experiments on complex scientific instruments."
[19:28] <lpapp> zleap: I do not see an API spec there for gumtree.
[19:28] <MartijnVdS> "Science is hard, let's go shopping"?
[19:28] <zleap> i just tried to google gumtree api
[19:28] <lpapp> so did I, yeah. :>
[19:28] <zleap> i guess there is more than one gum tree, like there is more than 1 unity
[19:29] <lpapp> it is kinda weird because it seems common in the UK.
[19:29] <lpapp> not as common as ebay.co.uk, but still.
[19:31] <ali1234> gumtree has free ads, that's why it is popular
[19:31] <ali1234> and also why it is full of rubbish and scams
[19:35] <lpapp> I am surprised it has no API easily accessible.
[20:13] <AlanBell> Laney: no, I don't that is a jpds bot
[20:14] <diddledan> does ubuntu touch do similar power savings techniques as android in that non-foreground apps are suspended and when ram gets low completely killed but with state information saved to resume them where they left-off?
[20:15] <diddledan> if so, will that eventually make it's way to ubuntu desktop for use on laptops?
[20:16] <diddledan> like os x has the feature they call "app nap" which does similar to the ios power saving equivalent to the android procedure I just highlighted
[20:16] <diddledan> os x mavericks**
[20:20] <ali1234> not as far as i know
[20:20] <ali1234> touch does the exact same process scheduling as desktop
[20:20] <ali1234> possibly less actually
[20:42] <popey> diddledan: yes, apps are suspended when not focussed
[20:43] <bigcalm> How does that affect multitasking?
[20:44] <bigcalm> #
[20:44] <bigcalm> Meh
[20:44] <diddledan> popey: that's what I thought
[20:45] <popey> bigcalm: multiple apps can run
[20:45] <popey> then resume when you switch to them
[20:45] <popey> there are system services for some things that need to continue - like downloading files, or playing music
[20:45] <bigcalm> I was about to ask about music
[20:45] <bigcalm> Okay
[20:46] <popey> we have some special exceptions for some apps
[20:46] <diddledan> how usable is touch on the galaxy nexus now we're so close to 13.10 release date? I'm considering moving over but I do use the phone so it's not a testbed so to speak.
[20:46] <bigcalm> Can an app say "hey, I should be kept running no matter what"?
[20:46] <popey> no
[20:46] <bigcalm> Right
[20:46] <popey> well, maybe ☻
[20:46] <bigcalm> Heh
[20:46] <diddledan> lol
[20:47] <bigcalm> diddledan: you should use it every day and file bug reports :D
[20:47] <diddledan> bigcalm: :-D
[20:47]  * bigcalm gives up with work dev problems for the evening
[20:47] <bigcalm> Time for some fun with node.js
[20:48] <diddledan> I'm assuming tilapia (nexus 7-2012+gsm) still has issues judging from the last time I looked on the touch mailing list
[20:49] <diddledan> we really need to get people like sky and netflix on board with video streaming capability
[20:49] <diddledan> that'ld be the main thing I'd miss
[20:54] <popey> yeah, me too
[20:55] <daubers> Evening
[21:00] <bigcalm> Forgotten the password to my wedding web site
[21:00] <bigcalm> Gah
[21:02] <brobostigon> oh dear :(
[21:04] <bigcalm> Ah, there we go
[21:04] <bigcalm> And there is the email saying that somebody is trying to force their way in
[21:06] <diddledan> this is really cool: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2013/09/install-kde-connect-on-ubuntu-get-call-notifications
[21:14] <bigcalm> Just added a count down timer :D
[21:16] <popey> hmm, my xbox says youtube is not available right now, which is a lie
[21:18] <bigcalm> popey: bought GTA V eh? ;)
[21:20] <popey> nope
[21:20] <bigcalm> Aww
[21:33] <popey> omg
[21:34] <popey> just discovered you can pair your laptop with the youtube app on xbox 360