[00:43] <jrwren> when was the last time bears were stomped by lions. I don't mean a win. I mean a stomp. gotta be 30+yrs
[00:45] <rick_h_> yea, it was really bad
[00:46] <rick_h_> cutler threw a few passes right at the lion players
[00:46] <rick_h_> painful
[00:56] <snap-l> We're going to start the meeting in 5 minutes
[00:56] <snap-l> um, 4 minutes. :)
[00:56] <snap-l> Also, Skinny Puppy Weapon is an awesome album
[00:56] <snap-l> That is all
[00:57] <snap-l> JoDee and I played two games of Pandemic. It's an excellent board game
[00:57] <snap-l> Highly recommended
[01:00] <snap-l> OK, let's get started
[01:01] <snap-l> http://loco.ubuntu.com/meetings/ubuntu-michigan/520/detail/
[01:01] <snap-l> Who all is here?
[01:03] <jrwren> present
[01:04] <snap-l> Anyone else here?
[01:04] <snap-l> Will give one more minute, and then we'll hit the agenda
[01:05] <snap-l> OK, before we hit the agenda, I wanted to highlight that we have a section on Ubuntu Discourse:
[01:05] <snap-l> http://ubuntu-discourse.org/t/category-definition-for-ubuntu-michigan/1026/2
[01:06] <snap-l> If someone would like to write up a definition for this category, please feel free
[01:06] <snap-l> otherwise I'll draft up something sooner or later.
[01:06] <snap-l> :)
[01:06] <snap-l> Discourse is pretty cool. I can see myself using it more than the forums.
[01:07] <snap-l> Anyone else using discourse yet?
[01:09] <snap-l> OK, one more thing before we hit the agenda.
[01:09] <snap-l> Regarding verification: It looks like our group wouldn't make even basic verification. :)
[01:10] <snap-l> If the participation in the latest Global Jam is to be believed
[01:10] <snap-l> I know it was a pretty bad weekend all around (especially since it had Ohio Linuxfest opposite it)
[01:11] <snap-l> but I think we're more active as a social group rather than as a group that actually does things in the community
[01:11] <snap-l> I would love to be proven wrong
[01:12] <jrwren> i agree ;]
[01:14] <snap-l> OK. If someone would like to take us through verification, please feel free to speak up. Otherwise we'll let it lapse until we get a bug in our collective bottoms to go after it again.
[01:14] <snap-l> Speaking of collective bottoms and terrible non-sequiters
[01:14] <snap-l> RELEASE PARTY!
[01:14] <snap-l> 13.10 is coming out pretty soon.
[01:15] <snap-l> waldo323 sent out a questionaire about which night / location might work best for folks
[01:15] <snap-l> or at least I think he did. Wil double check with him.
[01:15] <snap-l> more information forthcoming on when and where it'll be held
[01:15] <snap-l> Last I talked with him it seemed like th Black Lotus in Clawson.
[01:16] <snap-l> (would be the location)
[01:16] <snap-l> It's a decent place if you haven't been there, with decent parking and a golf simulator place next door
[01:17] <snap-l> So, until we hear more, more to come. :)
[01:17] <snap-l> Any questions, comments, concerns?
[01:17] <snap-l> (If you haven't been to a release party yet, it's a lot of fun.)
[01:17] <snap-l> (Sometimes we even load up some machines with the latest Ubuntu)
[01:21] <snap-l> That's all I have at the moment. Any further business to discuss?
[01:21] <waf> nope
[01:22] <snap-l> http://loco.ubuntu.com/meetings/ubuntu-michigan/521/detail/
[01:22] <snap-l> ^ Next meeting should be normal time
[01:22] <waldo323> about to lookat the logs to see what i missed :-\
[01:22] <snap-l> I'd like to thank everyone for indulging me for moving the meeting
[01:22] <snap-l> waldo323: You're on the hook for the release party. :)
[01:23] <snap-l> waldo323: And things that aren't in the logs (muhahahaha)
[01:23] <snap-l> waldo323: (note: not really)
[01:23] <waldo323> not really about the logs or release party ;)
[01:23] <snap-l> logs
[01:24] <snap-l> you're still on the hook for the release party. :)
[01:24] <snap-l> any updates?
[01:24] <snap-l> (note: saying "more to come" is perfectly OK. :) )
[01:24] <waldo323> i am going to look at the google doc in a couple minutes and see which date is best
[01:25] <snap-l> kk
[01:25] <waldo323> for us i think the 12th is best at this point or the 18th but sarah can't make it that day
[01:25] <snap-l> 12th would be better for me
[01:26] <waldo323> anyone else here who wants to put in their best availability would be helpful :)
[01:28] <snap-l> Or just post it to the list. :)
[01:28] <snap-l> That usually gets some folks attention
[01:29] <waldo323> i did a while back, would it be spamming to send it again?
[01:29] <snap-l> I don't believe so
[01:29] <snap-l> It's closer to the event
[01:30] <waldo323> ok, i think i'll modify the form so the results are easier to read first
[01:31] <waldo323> we could just shoot for the 12th
[01:32] <snap-l> It's a saturday, and those usually (usually) get more attention
[01:34] <waldo323> how bout black lotus this time?
[01:35] <snap-l> I don't have a problem with it.
[01:35] <snap-l> (I think we're watching decision making history here, folks. :) )
[01:37] <waldo323> 6 to 9 and people can stay how ever long though we need to leave a bit earlier
[01:38] <waldo323> 6 pm to 9 pm EST or EDT what ever it is right now
[01:38] <snap-l> Cool. Please post to the list, and we'll get the word out. :)
[01:38] <snap-l> Thank you!
[01:43] <snap-l> OK, unless there's something else to discuss, I think we've covered it all and can call this meeting adjourned
[01:47] <snap-l> Thank you everyone for coming on out!
[11:47] <snap-l> morning
[11:47] <DrDaemonEye> morning snap-l
[11:50] <rick_h_> morning
[11:50] <rick_h_> the morning email deluge is sweeping me away! back to the woods!
[12:23] <snap-l> rick_h_: No no, you must surf the wave. :)
[12:24] <snap-l> (Now would be a great time to try the two-minute rule. :) )
[13:22] <rick_h_> phew, email kind of caught up
[13:26] <snap-l> Heh
[13:26] <snap-l> Stupid Traffic on I-696 really sucked this morning
[13:39] <waf> ah, i wonder if that's where my coworker is.
[13:40] <snap-l> Well, it was closer to Woodward. They mentioned that two left lanes were closed, so people were doing all sorts of heroics to get off the freeway
[13:40] <snap-l> and turns out there wasn't anything.
[13:41] <snap-l> And they wonder why people don't pay any attention to signs in Michigan
[13:44] <waf> rick_h_: you see http://pse.contraterrene.com/engine/ ?
[13:44] <waf> hitting hn as 'solving the bookmark problem'
[13:47] <rick_h_> waf: no, hadn't seen that. I like that it fits with the idea of notes I want to do. The selection via the bookmarklet is smart and useful in that situation
[13:51] <rick_h_> waf: so I'm confused. The presentation says 'the data stays on your computer' but the bookmarklet looks to be seding it to http://pse.contraterrene.com/engine/index.html
[13:55] <snap-l> I have already solved my bookmark problems. :)
[13:56] <rick_h_> that's the only problem with the vacation I didn't get the bookie hacking time i had hoped for.
[13:56] <snap-l> rick_h_: That's why they call it a "Vacation". :)
[13:56] <rick_h_> bah! :P
[13:57] <widox> rick_h_: doesn't seem to be making any network requests for me
[13:57] <widox> using local storage
[13:58] <widox> this thing sure is ugly though
[13:58] <snap-l> So that's pretty useless unless you're on the same machine
[13:58] <widox> yeah
[13:59] <rick_h_> ok I was just trying to read the bookmarklet. It shows a network call. Wonder how he's doing fulltext in the browser then. Did web storage implement the fulltext bit of sqlite?
[14:27] <brousch> jrwren: http://www.raspyfi.com/
[15:01] <jrwren> cool
[15:01] <snap-l> Yeah, the Pi has problems with Squeezelite
[15:01] <snap-l> Honestly, just getting an off-board DAC is probably "good enough"
[15:05] <snap-l> http://schiit.com/products/modi
[15:58] <rick_h_> snap-l: back to snap-l eh?
[15:58] <rick_h_> snap-l: are we good for CHC this week? /me isn't recalling
[16:06] <snap-l> We have one last weel
[16:06] <snap-l> week, even
[16:06] <snap-l> And I didn't change the nick on purpose. :(
[16:06] <snap-l> one sec
[16:08] <cmaloney> Strange
[16:20] <ColonelPanic001> snap-l is no more?
[16:25] <rick_h_> cmaloney: *confused* you did or didn't want to change the name?
[16:27] <cmaloney> I didn't change it on purpose
[16:27] <cmaloney> snap-l is my back-up name if it can't get cmaloney
[16:33] <ColonelPanic001> I don't remember seeing you not use snap-l
[16:33] <ColonelPanic001> it's like I don't even know you anymore.
[16:40] <cmaloney> ColonelPanic001: Speaking of which... your move. :)
[16:42] <ColonelPanic001> I think I'm doomed on that 9x9
[16:42] <ColonelPanic001> maybe only mostly doomed
[16:42] <ColonelPanic001> we'll see
[16:43] <cmaloney> Funny, I think I'm doomed on that 9x9 game
[16:43] <cmaloney> Since you have a few captures.
[16:43] <ColonelPanic001> it'll be the first game in history in which both players lose
[16:43] <ColonelPanic001> how exciting
[16:44]  * greg-g swoops in for the inw
[16:44] <greg-g> gah!
[16:44] <ColonelPanic001> less swoop
[16:44] <ColonelPanic001> more crash.
[17:32] <greg-g> why do people chew with their mouths open in public?
[17:32] <greg-g> and slurp their cereal
[17:36] <waf> because they heard that it pissed off greg grossmeier, and they want to stick it to you.
[17:38] <greg-g> likely
[17:38] <jrwren> manners aren't the same everywhere.
[17:38] <jrwren> outside of the western world, those things aren't considered rude.
[17:38] <cmaloney> Pretty sure California is the epicenter of the western world
[17:39] <cmaloney> and as such is bound by the customs of our people
[17:40] <cmaloney> No chewing with mouth open, no slurping, and certainly do not wear a white codpiece after labour day.
[17:45] <greg-g> jrwren: what craig said. She's not from another country, not even Canada.
[17:45] <rick_h_> lol
[17:45] <rick_h_> greg-g: it annoys the $#@$@# out of me and my wife does it sometimes.
[17:45] <rick_h_> I confronted her once and she denied it 100% and I've given up
[17:45] <brousch> squirt gun it
[17:45] <rick_h_> lol!
[17:46] <brousch> "If you don't have your moth open how'd the water get in there?!"
[17:46] <rick_h_> s/kitty trainer 3000/wife trainer 3000
[17:46] <cmaloney> Yeah, that wouldn't show up in the divorce proceedings
[17:47] <rick_h_> yea, we just lived together in a 23' box for a week. I'll have to wait to test that one out
[17:48] <cmaloney> i think you could make it a research project
[17:49] <cmaloney> Remember to take copious amounts of data.
[17:49] <cmaloney> Also film it
[17:51] <rick_h_> http://www.flickr.com/photos/7508761@N03/9917140306/ :)
[17:51] <cmaloney> Nice panorama
[17:52]  * cmaloney checks to see if it would make a good widescreen wallpaper
[17:53] <cmaloney> notsomuch
[17:53] <rick_h_> heh
[17:53] <cmaloney> Needs some cropping
[17:53] <rick_h_> yea, I need to crop the end off there
[17:54] <rick_h_> the camers doesn't do well with telling you how much tmie time youve' got left before it quits
[17:54] <greg-g> brousch: ++ to squirt gun
[17:54] <rick_h_> so you kind of go and try to guess the right speed
[17:54] <greg-g> rick_h_: yeah, so does Carrie sometimes :)
[18:00] <jrwren> i talk with food in my mouth, knowing the whole time its bad manners.
[18:00] <jrwren> :)
[18:00] <rick_h_> yea, we've stopped and trying to teach the boy not to
[18:00] <rick_h_> and grandpa kept doing it and getting corrected
[18:00] <rick_h_> love it when a 3yr fusses at grandpa "don't talk with food your mouth grandpa!"
[18:00] <greg-g> yeah, I constantly did that to my dad growing up.
[18:09] <ColonelPanic001> food
[18:09] <ColonelPanic001> er, good
[18:10] <ColonelPanic001> people chewing with their mouth open is up there with people that don't flush the toilet or kill puppies
[18:10] <rick_h_> heh, I've started the training for 'put the seat down now that you've gone potty'
[18:10] <rick_h_> it's the little things you have to teach these little monsters lol
[18:13] <jrwren> Amazon Linux AMI 2013.09 with kernel 3.4.62, lolz
[18:20] <jcastro> PARTY LIKE IT IS 2005
[18:21] <greg-g> ColonelPanic001: are you against water conservation?
[18:22] <ColonelPanic001> Yes, we have plenty of water
[18:22] <ColonelPanic001> fish pee in water all the time, how can it be bad? It's natural.
[18:23] <greg-g> ColonelPanic001: :-(
[18:24] <ColonelPanic001> what? I flush it, and it just goes back out to the lakes
[18:24] <ColonelPanic001> it doesn't get used up, it's okay
[18:24] <greg-g> :-( :-(
[18:24] <ColonelPanic001> it's the circle of life. er, water.
[18:25] <brousch> It's not like it dissipates into space. It goes to the treatment plant, gets cleaned up a bit, then flows back to the lake
[18:26] <brousch> I'm sure people in the desert states have a different view
[18:26] <brousch> But it's their own fault for living in a frigging desert
[18:28] <greg-g> well, cuz that treatment facility is net-zero waste, right? (hint: it isn't)
[18:29] <brousch> They make fertilizer pellets out of the poopy parts
[18:29] <cmaloney> I figure my little piddlings are helping push along the nuclear shits closer to the treatment plant
[18:29] <cmaloney> so all in all a net win
[18:30] <cmaloney> I don't want to be in the same county as my most nuclear of shits, let alone have them fester in the sewer system.
[18:30] <ColonelPanic001> I'm just being sarcastic to watch greg-g :( a lot.
[18:33] <greg-g> :-(
[18:33] <ColonelPanic001> yeah, like that
[18:33] <ColonelPanic001> I also like to print every email just for easier reading
[18:34] <greg-g> oh, that one makes sense
[18:34] <rick_h_> cmaloney: so erica was asking when the wine tasting is.
[18:34] <rick_h_> we ended up joining a wine club for one of the VA wineries we went to
[18:36] <cmaloney> Oh, nice
[18:36] <brousch> Traitor! You should be drinking Michigan wines!
[18:36] <cmaloney> rick_h_: We're still working on it. :)
[18:36] <rick_h_> brousch: :P
[18:36] <rick_h_> brousch: I've only been to one MI winery and...meh
[18:37] <rick_h_> it wasn't http://www.flickr.com/photos/7508761@N03/9917148276/
[18:37] <brousch> We have dozens of good ones on the best side of the state
[18:38] <cmaloney> Yeah, there's several good ones
[18:38] <cmaloney> St. Julian is the most notable
[18:38] <brousch> I've not been to that one. We usually go North
[18:38] <brousch> Might be going Tuesday, actually
[18:39] <rick_h_> http://www.veritaswines.com/about.htm is where we were and joined the club
[18:39] <rick_h_> ah cool
[18:39] <greg-g> non-CA wine? blasphemy!
[18:39] <rick_h_> yea, we should try some other places. All far from here
[18:39] <rick_h_> greg-g: heh I know, but getting out there isn't easy
[18:39] <cmaloney> I've been to Fenn Valley, but as a toungster
[18:39] <greg-g> :)
[18:40] <rick_h_> greg-g: though OR has some good wines out of it
[18:40] <cmaloney> youngster, even
[18:40] <greg-g> I'm like 20-30 minutes from Sonoma valley now
[18:40] <cmaloney> rick_h_: bah, we'll get you on the Michigan bandwagon
[18:40] <greg-g> rick_h_: yeah, def some good pinot noirs up there
[18:40] <rick_h_> greg-g: ok, crash at your place
[18:40] <greg-g> rick_h_: deal
[18:40] <rick_h_> greg-g: pinots are my fav
[18:40] <greg-g> ditto
[18:41] <cmaloney> http://www.foodandwine.com/articles/michigan-in-defense-of-b-list-wine-country
[18:41] <rick_h_> http://www.closdubois.com/index.cfm? is one of my favs
[18:42] <cmaloney> http://www.botabox.com/wines/merlot/merlot/2011.aspx
[18:42] <cmaloney> http://www.botabox.com/wines/riesling/riesling/2012.aspx
[18:42] <cmaloney> ;)
[18:42] <rick_h_> lol
[18:42] <cmaloney> They're actually quite good
[18:43] <cmaloney> and not in a "good for a $4 bottle of wine" good. I mean comparable to a $12 of wine.
[18:44] <cmaloney> Not had their Pinot, so not sure if it's comparable.
[18:44] <brousch> Fenn Valley is one of our favorites http://lh3.ggpht.com/-Gd2KL-6P9S0/Ue0sujSDw-I/AAAAAAAAFsg/YBrlZn7AiQw/s800/IMG_0039.jpg
[18:44] <cmaloney> Yeah, they've been around a long time
[18:45] <cmaloney> http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/chi-y-wine-line-kickoff-29jun29,0,3411633.story
[18:46] <cmaloney> So don't be dissin' the mitten. ;)
[18:47] <cmaloney> we're in the same latitude as France, biyatches.
[18:47] <rick_h_> lol
[18:47] <rick_h_> that food and wine article is good
[18:47] <rick_h_> though I do like the mountains backdrop of the VA places we've been to :)
[18:48] <cmaloney> Well, if you're about mountain backgrops, Michigan isn't going to cut it, certainly.
[18:48] <cmaloney> But we do have Sleeping Bear Dunes.
[18:48] <brousch> We have dunes!
[18:48] <rick_h_> lol
[18:48] <brousch> Sand mountains!
[18:49] <cmaloney> We also don't have mountain drivers
[18:49] <rick_h_> http://www.flickr.com/photos/7508761@N03/ DC zoo pics up
[18:49] <cmaloney> who will pass on the left of a two lane precipice
[18:49] <cmaloney> sorry, left, right, above, below
[18:50] <cmaloney> And at 80mph
[18:50] <greg-g> the dunes are indeed awesome
[18:50] <rick_h_> yea, we've been looking at campgrounds around there. Might take a trip once the boy is bigger and do the whole 'rent a quad' thing
[18:51] <greg-g> oooo
[18:51] <greg-g> real michigan
[18:51] <greg-g> we just went hiking
[18:51] <rick_h_> heh, well I guess the idea is that you can just go nuts on them all over. If you want hiking we hear to stay a bit away from some areas
[18:51] <greg-g> course, it was 10 degrees out ;)
[18:51] <rick_h_> lol, awesome
[19:00] <jrwren> ugh, i hate it when i wrote some crazy stuff and I don't recall why its crazy.
[19:00] <jrwren> getattr(something, '')()  <-- wtf?
[19:02] <cmaloney> jrwren: Um...
[19:02] <cmaloney> What is 'something' supposed to be, and why would it have a blank attribute? :)
[19:03] <jrwren> its something which has a __getattr__ impl
[19:03] <jrwren> so name gets passed empty
[19:03] <jrwren> haha, zomg, this is hacks.
[19:03] <jrwren> i probably wrote this.
[19:03] <cmaloney> si si
[19:03]  * jrwren hangs head in shame
[19:03] <brousch> Only you could have crated such a monster?
[19:03] <jrwren> and it returns a Future().  lolz.
[19:04] <jrwren> anyone could have.
[19:04] <cmaloney> No, I think this is all you.
[19:04] <jrwren> what can I say? when you have a hammer that looks like multi_curl, then everything looks like a nailed url
[19:05] <cmaloney> I think it's more if you have a jackhammer then everything loos flat.
[19:05] <cmaloney> s/loos/looks/
[19:05] <rick_h_> jrwren: w...t...f
[19:05] <cmaloney> and we have the coveted rick_h_ WTF award
[19:06]  * cmaloney checks to see what the Russian judge has to say
[19:07] <jrwren> hehehe.
[19:07] <cmaloney> какого хрена
[19:07] <jrwren> yeah, i even left a note of documentation, so my wtf moment didn't last tooo long :)
[19:17] <jrwren> hey man, a few hundred web requests in a few seconds is pretty good :p
[21:20] <greg-g> cmaloney: just tell me it wasn't Californication, plz
[21:20] <cmaloney> Oh hell no
[21:21] <cmaloney> Mother's Milk of course
[21:21] <cmaloney> It's the only album of theirs I own
[21:21] <cmaloney> Used to own Blood Sugar Sex Magick, but then college ended. :)
[21:21] <greg-g> :)
[21:22] <cmaloney> I think I listened to that album maybe once or twice in the past 3 months
[21:22] <cmaloney> not like the Obituary kick I was in
[21:23] <cmaloney> http://www.last.fm/user/squeekyhoho/library
[21:24] <cmaloney> Also have a hard time that Vektor only has 57 plays
[21:24] <cmaloney> I've been playing the fuck out of that album
[21:25] <greg-g> who owns Last.FM now?
[21:25] <greg-g> clear channel?
[21:25] <cmaloney> CBS
[21:25] <greg-g> same thing, right?
[21:25] <cmaloney> Don't believe so
[21:26] <cmaloney> I think they're competitors
[21:26] <cmaloney> If it was clear channel I'd yank my scrobbles
[21:27] <cmaloney> Which sounds weird when you say it out loud
[21:27] <cmaloney> but I did delete my old snapl account on last.fm when they were sold to CBS
[21:28] <greg-g> heh
[21:28] <greg-g> gnufm, maaaaan
[21:28] <cmaloney> If there was a squeezebox plugin that would be easy. :)
[21:32] <greg-g> you can just set up a /etc/hosts mangler
[21:32] <greg-g> api compat
[21:32]  * greg-g doesn't use it
[21:33] <cmaloney> Yeah, that means I'd have to start caring. :)
[21:33] <cmaloney> maybe some day. :)
[21:33] <greg-g> But the maaan, maaan
[21:33] <cmaloney> Hey, if I can give CBS marketing data that I'd rather listen to Broken Clown than their radio offerings, then so be it
[21:34] <cmaloney> 35 listens of Open Metalcast tracks on Last.fm
[21:34] <cmaloney> I'm sure that is a datapoint. ;)
[21:35] <greg-g> you should keep your data, maaan
[21:37] <cmaloney> but how am I going to stick it to the man if the man isn't getting the data maaaaan?
[21:37] <cmaloney> so they can know that I like cajun underground funkadelic thrash black metal?
[21:38] <greg-g> I could say "the maaan, maan" all day
[21:39] <cmaloney> Only if you don't want me to make a trip out to your laptop to throw it into the ocean. :)
[21:40] <greg-g> just don't do it today, kinda crappy/foggy out here, make the trip to the beach worth it
[21:40] <cmaloney> Oh, good to know
[21:40] <cmaloney> thanks maaaaaaaan
[21:41] <greg-g> you're welcome, maaaan