[00:43] when was the last time bears were stomped by lions. I don't mean a win. I mean a stomp. gotta be 30+yrs [00:45] yea, it was really bad [00:46] cutler threw a few passes right at the lion players [00:46] painful [00:56] We're going to start the meeting in 5 minutes [00:56] um, 4 minutes. :) [00:56] Also, Skinny Puppy Weapon is an awesome album [00:56] That is all [00:57] JoDee and I played two games of Pandemic. It's an excellent board game [00:57] Highly recommended [01:00] OK, let's get started [01:01] http://loco.ubuntu.com/meetings/ubuntu-michigan/520/detail/ [01:01] Who all is here? [01:03] present [01:04] Anyone else here? [01:04] Will give one more minute, and then we'll hit the agenda [01:05] OK, before we hit the agenda, I wanted to highlight that we have a section on Ubuntu Discourse: [01:05] http://ubuntu-discourse.org/t/category-definition-for-ubuntu-michigan/1026/2 [01:06] If someone would like to write up a definition for this category, please feel free [01:06] otherwise I'll draft up something sooner or later. [01:06] :) [01:06] Discourse is pretty cool. I can see myself using it more than the forums. [01:07] Anyone else using discourse yet? [01:09] OK, one more thing before we hit the agenda. [01:09] Regarding verification: It looks like our group wouldn't make even basic verification. :) [01:10] If the participation in the latest Global Jam is to be believed [01:10] I know it was a pretty bad weekend all around (especially since it had Ohio Linuxfest opposite it) [01:11] but I think we're more active as a social group rather than as a group that actually does things in the community [01:11] I would love to be proven wrong [01:12] i agree ;] [01:14] OK. If someone would like to take us through verification, please feel free to speak up. Otherwise we'll let it lapse until we get a bug in our collective bottoms to go after it again. [01:14] Speaking of collective bottoms and terrible non-sequiters [01:14] RELEASE PARTY! [01:14] 13.10 is coming out pretty soon. [01:15] waldo323 sent out a questionaire about which night / location might work best for folks [01:15] or at least I think he did. Wil double check with him. [01:15] more information forthcoming on when and where it'll be held [01:15] Last I talked with him it seemed like th Black Lotus in Clawson. [01:16] (would be the location) [01:16] It's a decent place if you haven't been there, with decent parking and a golf simulator place next door [01:17] So, until we hear more, more to come. :) [01:17] Any questions, comments, concerns? [01:17] (If you haven't been to a release party yet, it's a lot of fun.) [01:17] (Sometimes we even load up some machines with the latest Ubuntu) [01:21] That's all I have at the moment. Any further business to discuss? [01:21] nope [01:22] http://loco.ubuntu.com/meetings/ubuntu-michigan/521/detail/ [01:22] ^ Next meeting should be normal time [01:22] about to lookat the logs to see what i missed :-\ [01:22] I'd like to thank everyone for indulging me for moving the meeting [01:22] waldo323: You're on the hook for the release party. :) [01:23] waldo323: And things that aren't in the logs (muhahahaha) [01:23] waldo323: (note: not really) [01:23] not really about the logs or release party ;) [01:23] logs [01:24] you're still on the hook for the release party. :) [01:24] any updates? [01:24] (note: saying "more to come" is perfectly OK. :) ) [01:24] i am going to look at the google doc in a couple minutes and see which date is best [01:25] kk [01:25] for us i think the 12th is best at this point or the 18th but sarah can't make it that day [01:25] 12th would be better for me [01:26] anyone else here who wants to put in their best availability would be helpful :) [01:28] Or just post it to the list. :) [01:28] That usually gets some folks attention [01:29] i did a while back, would it be spamming to send it again? [01:29] I don't believe so [01:29] It's closer to the event [01:30] ok, i think i'll modify the form so the results are easier to read first [01:31] we could just shoot for the 12th [01:32] It's a saturday, and those usually (usually) get more attention [01:34] how bout black lotus this time? [01:35] I don't have a problem with it. [01:35] (I think we're watching decision making history here, folks. :) ) [01:37] 6 to 9 and people can stay how ever long though we need to leave a bit earlier [01:38] 6 pm to 9 pm EST or EDT what ever it is right now [01:38] Cool. Please post to the list, and we'll get the word out. :) [01:38] Thank you! [01:43] OK, unless there's something else to discuss, I think we've covered it all and can call this meeting adjourned [01:47] Thank you everyone for coming on out! === _stink__ is now known as _stink_ [11:47] morning [11:47] morning snap-l [11:50] morning [11:50] the morning email deluge is sweeping me away! back to the woods! === _stink__ is now known as _stink_ [12:23] rick_h_: No no, you must surf the wave. :) [12:24] (Now would be a great time to try the two-minute rule. :) ) [13:22] phew, email kind of caught up [13:26] Heh [13:26] Stupid Traffic on I-696 really sucked this morning [13:39] ah, i wonder if that's where my coworker is. [13:40] Well, it was closer to Woodward. They mentioned that two left lanes were closed, so people were doing all sorts of heroics to get off the freeway [13:40] and turns out there wasn't anything. [13:41] And they wonder why people don't pay any attention to signs in Michigan [13:44] rick_h_: you see http://pse.contraterrene.com/engine/ ? [13:44] hitting hn as 'solving the bookmark problem' [13:47] waf: no, hadn't seen that. I like that it fits with the idea of notes I want to do. The selection via the bookmarklet is smart and useful in that situation [13:51] waf: so I'm confused. The presentation says 'the data stays on your computer' but the bookmarklet looks to be seding it to http://pse.contraterrene.com/engine/index.html [13:55] I have already solved my bookmark problems. :) [13:56] that's the only problem with the vacation I didn't get the bookie hacking time i had hoped for. [13:56] rick_h_: That's why they call it a "Vacation". :) [13:56] bah! :P [13:57] rick_h_: doesn't seem to be making any network requests for me [13:57] using local storage [13:58] this thing sure is ugly though [13:58] So that's pretty useless unless you're on the same machine [13:58] yeah [13:59] ok I was just trying to read the bookmarklet. It shows a network call. Wonder how he's doing fulltext in the browser then. Did web storage implement the fulltext bit of sqlite? [14:27] jrwren: http://www.raspyfi.com/ [15:01] cool [15:01] Yeah, the Pi has problems with Squeezelite [15:01] Honestly, just getting an off-board DAC is probably "good enough" [15:05] http://schiit.com/products/modi [15:58] snap-l: back to snap-l eh? [15:58] snap-l: are we good for CHC this week? /me isn't recalling [16:06] We have one last weel [16:06] week, even [16:06] And I didn't change the nick on purpose. :( [16:06] one sec [16:08] Strange [16:20] snap-l is no more? [16:25] cmaloney: *confused* you did or didn't want to change the name? [16:27] I didn't change it on purpose [16:27] snap-l is my back-up name if it can't get cmaloney [16:33] I don't remember seeing you not use snap-l [16:33] it's like I don't even know you anymore. [16:40] ColonelPanic001: Speaking of which... your move. :) [16:42] I think I'm doomed on that 9x9 [16:42] maybe only mostly doomed [16:42] we'll see [16:43] Funny, I think I'm doomed on that 9x9 game [16:43] Since you have a few captures. [16:43] it'll be the first game in history in which both players lose [16:43] how exciting [16:44] * greg-g swoops in for the inw [16:44] gah! [16:44] less swoop [16:44] more crash. [17:32] why do people chew with their mouths open in public? [17:32] and slurp their cereal [17:36] because they heard that it pissed off greg grossmeier, and they want to stick it to you. [17:38] likely [17:38] manners aren't the same everywhere. [17:38] outside of the western world, those things aren't considered rude. [17:38] Pretty sure California is the epicenter of the western world [17:39] and as such is bound by the customs of our people [17:40] No chewing with mouth open, no slurping, and certainly do not wear a white codpiece after labour day. [17:45] jrwren: what craig said. She's not from another country, not even Canada. [17:45] lol [17:45] greg-g: it annoys the $#@$@# out of me and my wife does it sometimes. [17:45] I confronted her once and she denied it 100% and I've given up [17:45] squirt gun it [17:45] lol! [17:46] "If you don't have your moth open how'd the water get in there?!" [17:46] s/kitty trainer 3000/wife trainer 3000 [17:46] Yeah, that wouldn't show up in the divorce proceedings [17:47] yea, we just lived together in a 23' box for a week. I'll have to wait to test that one out [17:48] i think you could make it a research project [17:49] Remember to take copious amounts of data. [17:49] Also film it [17:51] http://www.flickr.com/photos/7508761@N03/9917140306/ :) [17:51] Nice panorama [17:52] * cmaloney checks to see if it would make a good widescreen wallpaper [17:53] notsomuch [17:53] heh [17:53] Needs some cropping [17:53] yea, I need to crop the end off there [17:54] the camers doesn't do well with telling you how much tmie time youve' got left before it quits [17:54] brousch: ++ to squirt gun [17:54] so you kind of go and try to guess the right speed [17:54] rick_h_: yeah, so does Carrie sometimes :) [18:00] i talk with food in my mouth, knowing the whole time its bad manners. [18:00] :) [18:00] yea, we've stopped and trying to teach the boy not to [18:00] and grandpa kept doing it and getting corrected [18:00] love it when a 3yr fusses at grandpa "don't talk with food your mouth grandpa!" [18:00] yeah, I constantly did that to my dad growing up. [18:09] food [18:09] er, good [18:10] people chewing with their mouth open is up there with people that don't flush the toilet or kill puppies [18:10] heh, I've started the training for 'put the seat down now that you've gone potty' [18:10] it's the little things you have to teach these little monsters lol [18:13] Amazon Linux AMI 2013.09 with kernel 3.4.62, lolz [18:20] PARTY LIKE IT IS 2005 [18:21] ColonelPanic001: are you against water conservation? [18:22] Yes, we have plenty of water [18:22] fish pee in water all the time, how can it be bad? It's natural. [18:23] ColonelPanic001: :-( [18:24] what? I flush it, and it just goes back out to the lakes [18:24] it doesn't get used up, it's okay [18:24] :-( :-( [18:24] it's the circle of life. er, water. [18:25] It's not like it dissipates into space. It goes to the treatment plant, gets cleaned up a bit, then flows back to the lake [18:26] I'm sure people in the desert states have a different view [18:26] But it's their own fault for living in a frigging desert [18:28] well, cuz that treatment facility is net-zero waste, right? (hint: it isn't) [18:29] They make fertilizer pellets out of the poopy parts [18:29] I figure my little piddlings are helping push along the nuclear shits closer to the treatment plant [18:29] so all in all a net win [18:30] I don't want to be in the same county as my most nuclear of shits, let alone have them fester in the sewer system. [18:30] I'm just being sarcastic to watch greg-g :( a lot. [18:33] :-( [18:33] yeah, like that [18:33] I also like to print every email just for easier reading [18:34] oh, that one makes sense [18:34] cmaloney: so erica was asking when the wine tasting is. [18:34] we ended up joining a wine club for one of the VA wineries we went to [18:36] Oh, nice [18:36] Traitor! You should be drinking Michigan wines! [18:36] rick_h_: We're still working on it. :) [18:36] brousch: :P [18:36] brousch: I've only been to one MI winery and...meh [18:37] it wasn't http://www.flickr.com/photos/7508761@N03/9917148276/ [18:37] We have dozens of good ones on the best side of the state [18:38] Yeah, there's several good ones [18:38] St. Julian is the most notable [18:38] I've not been to that one. We usually go North [18:38] Might be going Tuesday, actually [18:39] http://www.veritaswines.com/about.htm is where we were and joined the club [18:39] ah cool [18:39] non-CA wine? blasphemy! [18:39] yea, we should try some other places. All far from here [18:39] greg-g: heh I know, but getting out there isn't easy [18:39] I've been to Fenn Valley, but as a toungster [18:39] :) [18:40] greg-g: though OR has some good wines out of it [18:40] youngster, even [18:40] I'm like 20-30 minutes from Sonoma valley now [18:40] rick_h_: bah, we'll get you on the Michigan bandwagon [18:40] rick_h_: yeah, def some good pinot noirs up there [18:40] greg-g: ok, crash at your place [18:40] rick_h_: deal [18:40] greg-g: pinots are my fav [18:40] ditto [18:41] http://www.foodandwine.com/articles/michigan-in-defense-of-b-list-wine-country [18:41] http://www.closdubois.com/index.cfm? is one of my favs [18:42] http://www.botabox.com/wines/merlot/merlot/2011.aspx [18:42] http://www.botabox.com/wines/riesling/riesling/2012.aspx [18:42] ;) [18:42] lol [18:42] They're actually quite good [18:43] and not in a "good for a $4 bottle of wine" good. I mean comparable to a $12 of wine. [18:44] Not had their Pinot, so not sure if it's comparable. [18:44] Fenn Valley is one of our favorites http://lh3.ggpht.com/-Gd2KL-6P9S0/Ue0sujSDw-I/AAAAAAAAFsg/YBrlZn7AiQw/s800/IMG_0039.jpg [18:44] Yeah, they've been around a long time [18:45] http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/chi-y-wine-line-kickoff-29jun29,0,3411633.story [18:46] So don't be dissin' the mitten. ;) [18:47] we're in the same latitude as France, biyatches. [18:47] lol [18:47] that food and wine article is good [18:47] though I do like the mountains backdrop of the VA places we've been to :) [18:48] Well, if you're about mountain backgrops, Michigan isn't going to cut it, certainly. [18:48] But we do have Sleeping Bear Dunes. [18:48] We have dunes! [18:48] lol [18:48] Sand mountains! [18:49] We also don't have mountain drivers [18:49] http://www.flickr.com/photos/7508761@N03/ DC zoo pics up [18:49] who will pass on the left of a two lane precipice [18:49] sorry, left, right, above, below [18:50] And at 80mph [18:50] the dunes are indeed awesome [18:50] yea, we've been looking at campgrounds around there. Might take a trip once the boy is bigger and do the whole 'rent a quad' thing [18:51] oooo [18:51] real michigan [18:51] we just went hiking [18:51] heh, well I guess the idea is that you can just go nuts on them all over. If you want hiking we hear to stay a bit away from some areas [18:51] course, it was 10 degrees out ;) [18:51] lol, awesome [19:00] ugh, i hate it when i wrote some crazy stuff and I don't recall why its crazy. [19:00] getattr(something, '')() <-- wtf? [19:02] jrwren: Um... [19:02] What is 'something' supposed to be, and why would it have a blank attribute? :) [19:03] its something which has a __getattr__ impl [19:03] so name gets passed empty [19:03] haha, zomg, this is hacks. [19:03] i probably wrote this. [19:03] si si [19:03] * jrwren hangs head in shame [19:03] Only you could have crated such a monster? [19:03] and it returns a Future(). lolz. [19:04] anyone could have. [19:04] No, I think this is all you. [19:04] what can I say? when you have a hammer that looks like multi_curl, then everything looks like a nailed url [19:05] I think it's more if you have a jackhammer then everything loos flat. [19:05] s/loos/looks/ [19:05] jrwren: w...t...f [19:05] and we have the coveted rick_h_ WTF award [19:06] * cmaloney checks to see what the Russian judge has to say [19:07] hehehe. [19:07] какого хрена [19:07] yeah, i even left a note of documentation, so my wtf moment didn't last tooo long :) [19:17] hey man, a few hundred web requests in a few seconds is pretty good :p [21:20] cmaloney: just tell me it wasn't Californication, plz [21:20] Oh hell no [21:21] Mother's Milk of course [21:21] It's the only album of theirs I own [21:21] Used to own Blood Sugar Sex Magick, but then college ended. :) [21:21] :) [21:22] I think I listened to that album maybe once or twice in the past 3 months [21:22] not like the Obituary kick I was in [21:23] http://www.last.fm/user/squeekyhoho/library [21:24] Also have a hard time that Vektor only has 57 plays [21:24] I've been playing the fuck out of that album [21:25] who owns Last.FM now? [21:25] clear channel? [21:25] CBS [21:25] same thing, right? [21:25] Don't believe so [21:26] I think they're competitors [21:26] If it was clear channel I'd yank my scrobbles [21:27] Which sounds weird when you say it out loud [21:27] but I did delete my old snapl account on last.fm when they were sold to CBS [21:28] heh [21:28] gnufm, maaaaan [21:28] If there was a squeezebox plugin that would be easy. :) [21:32] you can just set up a /etc/hosts mangler [21:32] api compat [21:32] * greg-g doesn't use it [21:33] Yeah, that means I'd have to start caring. :) [21:33] maybe some day. :) [21:33] But the maaan, maaan [21:33] Hey, if I can give CBS marketing data that I'd rather listen to Broken Clown than their radio offerings, then so be it [21:34] 35 listens of Open Metalcast tracks on Last.fm [21:34] I'm sure that is a datapoint. ;) [21:35] you should keep your data, maaan [21:37] but how am I going to stick it to the man if the man isn't getting the data maaaaan? [21:37] so they can know that I like cajun underground funkadelic thrash black metal? [21:38] I could say "the maaan, maan" all day [21:39] Only if you don't want me to make a trip out to your laptop to throw it into the ocean. :) [21:40] just don't do it today, kinda crappy/foggy out here, make the trip to the beach worth it [21:40] Oh, good to know [21:40] thanks maaaaaaaan [21:41] you're welcome, maaaan