| Ponch0 | from 3.8 to "3.10" | 01:51 |
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| roasted | hi | 01:51 |
| roasted | what? | 01:51 |
| Ponch0 | oh someone asked earlier at some point, what I upgraded to from what, when i stated that my software updater wasn't working anymore | 01:52 |
| Ponch0 | since the upgrade | 01:52 |
| bjsnider | dist-upgrade isn't what you probably think it is | 02:43 |
| bjsnider | it is necessary when you've got packages that have to be forced out by conflicts | 02:44 |
| bjsnider | upgrade may be enough in most cases | 02:44 |
| Ponch0 | Nooooooo, last time I ran upgrade, it deleted gnome and just put in straight buntu | 03:00 |
| roasted | o.O | 03:25 |
| Ponch0 | -_- | 03:30 |
| roasted | I have a question that I'd like to present with the utmost level of respect, but I am so dang curious I want to fire it out there. | 03:33 |
| roasted | If development for Gnome 3.10 started in May, how is it that 13.10 is still 3.8 bound? I understand that there's little time there, but one would think that 3.10 starting back in May would allow for a considerable amount of time to port things in place. | 03:34 |
| Ponch0 | I saw an article that said something about it being seperate or something | 03:37 |
| roasted | I get the stability argument, but I just find it a little :/ to have a "new" distro out that needs a PPA to have the latest Gnome. This seems like it'll be something that travels with Ubuntu GNOME forever... | 03:37 |
| Ponch0 | yeah ubuntu is fugly, they should just rename it and call it gnobuntu | 03:38 |
| Ponch0 | and make it like a permanent thing | 03:38 |
| roasted | Ubuntu GNOME is a permanent thing | 03:39 |
| roasted | and Gubuntu got shot down, if I recall | 03:39 |
| roasted | not sure about Gnobuntu. Sounds awkward to verbally say it :P | 03:39 |
| roasted | the thing is, Ubuntu positioned its release day 1 month after each Gnome release, which worked in the 2.x days just fine. | 03:39 |
| roasted | But now, Ubuntu is not in the Gnome camp... this is Ubuntu GNOME's turf now... but in 3.x land, a month is not enough. | 03:40 |
| roasted | Which basically guarantees that each consecutive version of Ubuntu GNOME will effectively have one version older of Gnome than what's "current" | 03:40 |
| roasted | well, latest, I shoulds ay | 03:40 |
| Ponch0 | I dunno sounds like politics. Preferential elevator stuff I rather not speculate on. | 03:45 |
| roasted | I hear you. It's just with the introduction of another PPA, it sounds like a lot to manage. | 03:46 |
| Ponch0 | For sure. | 03:47 |
| darkxst | roasted, there is nothing we can do about release dates! We have to share the archive with Ubuntu | 03:57 |
| roasted | I thought that would be the case. | 03:58 |
| darkxst | and on the plus side saucy is rock solid, since the 3.8 packages had a good cycle to bake. end result is probably 100x more stable than it would have been with 3.10 in it. | 03:58 |
| roasted | I understand. | 03:58 |
| roasted | I'll give Saucy with 3.8 a solid run. | 03:59 |
| darkxst | and as for the PPA's they provide the foundation for Ubuntu+1 | 03:59 |
| roasted | you mentioned that to get 3.10 in Saucy we'll definitely need 2 PPAs, correct? | 03:59 |
| darkxst | to get all of 3.10, atleast initially you will need both -next and staging | 04:00 |
| roasted | k, I'll keep it in mind | 04:02 |
| roasted | just begins to make my knees shake when I hear my DE will be housed under multiple PPAs :P | 04:02 |
| Ponch0 | omg darkxst! the hero | 04:05 |
| roasted | the legend | 04:05 |
| Ponch0 | darkxst, question sir: I upgraded to '3.10', software updater isn't working, how do I keep my system up to date from command line? is sudo apt-get update, sudo apt-get dist-upgrade sufficient? | 04:07 |
| darkxst | Ponch0, yes sure dist-upgrade is fine, just make sure to always check if it wants to remove half you system (as it will sometimes, if there are broken dependencies) | 04:08 |
| Ponch0 | :D haha I remember, ever since then it hasn't asked once if I wanted a partial, and i've been waiting and hoping that it does. | 04:09 |
| roasted | for what it's worth, your work, time, energy, and contributions are appreciated darkxst and team. | 04:14 |
| Ponch0 | for sure, is there a po box i send the xmas gift to? | 04:14 |
| Ponch0 | australian beer? | 04:14 |
| darkxst | thanks guy | 04:15 |
| darkxst | Ponch0, I can get australian beer down the street ;) | 04:17 |
| Ponch0 | haha, I just saw the commercial for "Foster". I'm pretty sure you guys don't like/know about it, alot of the american stuff once it gets here gets watered down. | 04:19 |
| roasted | do any of you know the answer offhand.. if you're playing music in 3.8 and you right click rhythm box in the message tray, are there buttons for forward reverse pause? | 04:19 |
| Ponch0 | I don't sorry | 04:24 |
| darkxst | "Fosters" is crap so we just export it! | 04:27 |
| ph_ | darkxst, hey man you here? | 04:28 |
| ph_ | darkxst, I just got done but still have the DPI problem and nautilus is 100% CPU utilisation when I open it | 04:29 |
| ph_ | darkxst, ubuntu gnome 13.10, then updates restart, gnome3-next ppa, dist-upgrade reboot - nautilus problem detected at this point. gnome3 ppa + gnome3-staging ppa, dist-upgrade and reboot and install hexchat | 04:31 |
| Ponch0 | How would one upgrade to 13.10, while already having and keeping gnome '3.10'? | 04:31 |
| ph_ | the big font problem is at the login screen so not user related - so that should make it easier to resolve yeah? | 04:32 |
| ph_ | darkxst, Any ideas on the nautilus issue either? | 04:32 |
| darkxst | ph_, nope sorry | 04:33 |
| ph_ | Ponch0, I don't think you can do it | 04:33 |
| darkxst | just file bugs using ubuntu-bug for both issues | 04:33 |
| ph_ | Ponch0, need to ppa-purge first before you upgrade to 13.10 | 04:33 |
| ph_ | darkxst, bugger! | 04:34 |
| Ponch0 | thanks ph_ | 04:34 |
| ph_ | darkxst, I have the logs from the first reboot where the big fonts problem started do you want to have a quick look at those? | 04:34 |
| darkxst | ok | 04:34 |
| Ponch0 | I have this pesky wifi problem since always that other users have with the card but seems to have been ignored because I guess not enough people complain, hoping it's fixed in 13.10 | 04:34 |
| ph_ | ponch0, normally I would recommend a clean build but not with the issues I am having :P | 04:35 |
| Ponch0 | ph_, yeah i'm getting desperate .. | 04:35 |
| ph_ | darkxst, http://pastebin.com/xmAUQ4Wf | 04:37 |
| ph_ | the first few lines with date etc are from the dmesg after the first boot, there was aparmor error - i uninstalled apparmor, not fixed. | 04:37 |
| ph_ | the errors from line 12 to 28 are from the last boot without staging of gnome-settings-daemon | 04:38 |
| ph_ | from 29 down that is gnome-settings-daemon with gnome3-staging | 04:38 |
| darkxst | I don't see anything there that would be related to messed up fonts | 04:40 |
| ph_ | darkxst, that's without logging in | 04:40 |
| ph_ | ok I found this page https://help.ubuntu.com/community/NvidiaResolutionXorgConf | 04:40 |
| ph_ | see DisplaySize and the text just before that | 04:40 |
| ph_ | how it says that if the display size is detected incorrectly it can mess fonts and cursor size up | 04:41 |
| ph_ | that's exactly what is happening with me and my monitor is detected as 7" but should be 55" | 04:41 |
| ph_ | I tried created an xorg.conf with settings for 55" but it didn | 04:42 |
| ph_ | ^didn't change the detected size in gnome-control-panel so I assume it's getting it somewhere else | 04:42 |
| ph_ | darkxst, this is from /var/log/Xorg.0.log http://pastebin.com/2rhcaLk4 | 04:50 |
| ph_ | darkxst, can you please grep your log for dpi and see what yours is getting set to? | 04:50 |
| darkxst | DPI set to (85, 86); | 04:51 |
| ph_ | there you go - so that is the problem - it's picking up bad edid settings | 04:51 |
| ph_ | darkxst, is your monitor at 1920x1080? | 04:51 |
| darkxst | what NVIDIA blob are you using? | 04:51 |
| darkxst | my monitors are 1280x1024 | 04:52 |
| ph_ | well I was just using nouveau - i just installed 319.49 and rebooted before i connected here to see if that made a difference | 04:52 |
| ph_ | darkxst, what's a blob btw :P | 04:53 |
| darkxst | proprietry binary only drivers | 04:53 |
| ph_ | cool - 64bit also. So I think it would be unlikely if nouveau is having the same issue that it's from the NVidia drivers | 04:54 |
| darkxst | ph_ anyway this is either a driver, X or monitor issue, you might have more luck getting help in #ubuntu-x | 04:54 |
| ph_ | darkxst, ok i'll try there. What about the nautilus issue? It cam straight after upgrading to gnome3-next. Would it be possible for me to downgrade to the nautilus package from Saucy or that wouldn't be a good idea? | 04:56 |
| Ponch0 | Here comes fresh install of Ubuntu-gnome! | 04:58 |
| Noskcaj | Why haven't the support and devel channels been split yet? | 04:59 |
| darkxst | ph_, nautilus is on staging, so no you won't be able to downgrade it. | 04:59 |
| ph_ | ponch0 - good luck :) let me know if you have nautilus issues after upgrading to gnome3-next ppa | 05:00 |
| darkxst | do you get any errors if you run from a terminal | 05:00 |
| Ponch0 | ph_: I should be back soon, if not my computer blew up :D | 05:00 |
| Ponch0 | I have intel on this laptop, so we'll see how the reception is. | 05:01 |
| ph_ | darkxst, no I don't now - so doing the ubuntu-gnome build made it less chatty with errors but is there a log perhaps that might have errors thrown by nautilus that wouldn't show on the console? | 05:01 |
| ph_ | ponch0, cool :) | 05:01 |
| darkxst | ph_, run `G_MESSAGES_DEBUG=all nautilus` | 05:02 |
| ph_ | darkxst, wow this is funny I just ran nautilus from a terminal with sudo su - so as root and it runs fine without 100% cpu?!? | 05:02 |
| Noskcaj | Can someone fix the topic to say that beta 2 is the latest developement release? | 05:03 |
| ph_ | darkxst, ok getting heaps of these running nautilus as a normal user (nautilus:7143): dconf-CRITICAL **: unable to create file '/run/user/1000/dconf/user': Permission denied. dconf will not work properly. | 05:04 |
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| ph_ | darkxst, and running as normal user is 100% CPU - so I think that would be the actual cause right there | 05:05 |
| ph_ | darkxst, how can i fix that permission problem? | 05:06 |
| ph_ | darkxst, isn't /run for writing pid's etc to? | 05:07 |
| ph_ | darkxst, so fixing that with chmod will break on a reboot wouldn't it? | 05:08 |
| darkxst | probably | 05:08 |
| ph_ | darkxst, these are the permissions set on this folder -rw------- | 05:08 |
| ph_ | can you have a look at yours? | 05:08 |
| ph_ | please | 05:09 |
| darkxst | do you own the file? | 05:09 |
| ph_ | nope root does | 05:09 |
| darkxst | it should be owner:group 1000 | 05:09 |
| darkxst | or whatever you username is | 05:09 |
| ph_ | ok is the user/1000 folder correct or that should be user/username ? | 05:10 |
| darkxst | 1000 is correct | 05:11 |
| ph_ | could it have something to do with my fstab mount options at all? | 05:11 |
| ph_ | ok but it's getting the wrong permissions then - how the hell is that happening? | 05:11 |
| darkxst | run is not mounted by fstab | 05:11 |
| ph_ | good point | 05:12 |
| darkxst | no idea sorry, not likely a gnome issue though, so file a bug and hopefully someone who knows will look into it | 05:12 |
| ph_ | it's funny I own the folder user is sitting in but user it'sef is root | 05:12 |
| ph_ | ^itself | 05:13 |
| ph_ | darkxst, ok I worked it out - when i ran nautilus as sudo it created that file and then when i ran it as my user it didn't have permissions to it - but root shouldn't be creating stuff under /user/1000 in the first place yeah? | 05:15 |
| darkxst | sudo is not really root | 05:17 |
| ph_ | sudo su it was - but that's the same? | 05:18 |
| ph_ | darkxst, G_MESSAGES_DEBUG=all nautilus running that as a user it doesn't throw errors - but it show it is successfully registerd at /org/gnome/SessionManager/Client18 but runs at 100% CPU. When running G_MESSAGES_DEBUG=all nautilus under sudo su terminal it fails to register but doesn't run at 100% CPU. Could it be some issue with gnome session manager causing the problem? | 05:21 |
| darkxst | probably not | 05:24 |
| darkxst | do you have nautilus rendering desktop icons? | 05:24 |
| ph_ | no i don't have gnome-tweak installed yet | 05:25 |
| ph_ | maybe it could be screwed up user settings for nautilus - i will try creating a new user account and test | 05:26 |
| ph_ | brb | 05:26 |
| Ponch0 | ph_: No issues what so far, in fact all the issues I had prior to this (besides wifi) are now gone. | 05:33 |
| Ponch0 | what so ever* | 05:34 |
| ph_ | darkxst, yeah that's it man | 05:34 |
| Ponch0 | ph_: No issues whats so ever, in fact all the issues I had prior to this (besides wifi) are now gone. | 05:34 |
| ph_ | darkxst, created new user and nautilus issue disappeared. So something in my profile from moving from 3.8 to 3.10 | 05:35 |
| ph_ | darkxst, will have to migrate and test in new account. I'll let you know if I track down the cause | 05:35 |
| ph_ | ponch0, nice one :) | 05:35 |
| ph_ | ponch0, mine are superficial errors it seems so not so bad here either ;) | 05:36 |
| Ponch0 | awesome! | 05:36 |
| ph_ | ponch0, yeah ;) Although bluetooth isn't working for me as the last problem I'm having - are you seeing bluetooth icon in 3.10 ponch0? | 05:37 |
| Ponch0 | ph_: yup, and disabled it as usual haha | 05:37 |
| ph_ | ponch0, can you do a test for me also to see if you can crash gnome-shell? | 05:37 |
| Ponch0 | sure thing. | 05:37 |
| ph_ | go to activities, search terminal and run it. type sudo su and enter | 05:38 |
| darkxst | bluetooth icon in shell won't work yet | 05:38 |
| ph_ | then nautilus | 05:38 |
| darkxst | but bluetooth itself should be fine | 05:38 |
| ph_ | then flick your mouse up to the activities and see if it crashes gnome-shell | 05:38 |
| Ponch0 | ph_ have been doing that since i logged in, i'm getting all my programs in place, no issues. | 05:39 |
| ph_ | darkxst, yeah bluetooth is working but no icon - ok that's cool - not an issue then :) | 05:39 |
| darkxst | needs the new BlueZ, but that is a massive transition | 05:39 |
| ph_ | so running nautilus as root from a terminal with sudo su running you can open activities without crashing? | 05:40 |
| Ponch0 | ph_: no issues with terminal sudo su, and flicking activities I have no issue | 05:40 |
| ph_ | can you try with gedit | 05:40 |
| Ponch0 | run gedit from terminal? how do I get out of root? | 05:40 |
| ph_ | no stay as root and run gedit | 05:41 |
| ph_ | then try flicking to activities | 05:41 |
| darkxst | ph_, why would you want to do that! | 05:41 |
| ph_ | darkxst, lol for editing grub | 05:41 |
| ph_ | ponch0, you still here? | 05:42 |
| ph_ | ponch0, did it crash your gnome-shell? | 05:42 |
| darkxst | ph_, use vi or something, its not generally a good idea to run GUI apps as root | 05:43 |
| ph_ | darkxst, understood but it shouldn't kill gnome-shell like that | 05:44 |
| Ponch0 | That did it! :D, once i flicked to activities after gedit opened, it crashed. | 05:45 |
| ph_ | darkxst, i only do it for a few things - usually i have nautilus extensions install that run gksu and then the app I want which works without issue but before you install all that on a fresh build sudo gedit is what I have been used to and it kills the hell out of gnome-shell - you can't recover by ctrl+alt+f1 and stop gdm and restart it - you have to reboot your entire computer to recover | 05:46 |
| ph_ | ponch0, ok that's great thanks for testing it - just remember not to do that and you won't kill gnome-shell | 05:46 |
| darkxst | it should never crash that hard! | 05:47 |
| ph_ | darkxst, I'm going to log a bug - because yeah it shouldn't but it does | 05:47 |
| ph_ | trust me I tried killing all gnome processes, X everything i could think of and restarting them all and logging in - nope no gnome-shell it throws heaps of errors in the logs - need to bounce my entire computer to fix it | 05:48 |
| ph_ | darkxst, you try it and see if you can recover without rebooting your machine | 05:48 |
| ph_ | needs to be sudo su from gnome-terminal then nautilus or gedit do it for me - but try gedit that does it without fail and on other pc's it seems according to ponch0 | 05:49 |
| Ponch0 | but I do have the bluetooth icon | 05:50 |
| ph_ | lol - how'd you get that? | 05:50 |
| Ponch0 | It was here after install. | 05:50 |
| ph_ | ponch0 - have you upgraded to gnome3-next and gnome3-staging? | 05:51 |
| ph_ | or just ubuuntu gnome 13.10 | 05:51 |
| Ponch0 | I'm on beta Ubuntu-GNOME | 05:51 |
| ph_ | if it's just ubuntu gnome 13.10 then you are gnome-shell 3.8 | 05:51 |
| Ponch0 | 3.11.0-9-generic | 05:51 |
| ph_ | that's why you have the icon | 05:51 |
| Ponch0 | ooooh I see ok "GNOME Shell 3.8.4" | 05:51 |
| Ponch0 | just ran version check, | 05:51 |
| ph_ | to get gnome-shell 3.10 you need to add the gnome3-next ppa then apt-get distupgrade | 05:52 |
| Ponch0 | That's why I have no issues :D | 05:52 |
| ph_ | ^dist-upgrade | 05:52 |
| ph_ | yeah that could be why no nautilus 100% | 05:52 |
| ph_ | it's up to you if you want 3.10 or not | 05:52 |
| ph_ | if you do then it's better to add gnome3-next ppa, dist-upgrade to that, then add gnome3 ppa and gnome3-staging ppa and do another dist-upgrade | 05:53 |
| Ponch0 | No, haha I had that before this reinstall, heeeaps of issues | 05:53 |
| ph_ | aaahhh ok | 05:53 |
| ph_ | lol | 05:53 |
| ph_ | yeah i am tempted to ghost back to my 13.10 with 3.8 | 05:54 |
| ph_ | buuuuut I like having the latest gnome-shell | 05:54 |
| ph_ | so i'm gonna stick it out | 05:54 |
| ph_ | darkxst, are you still here - did you try gedit to crash your g-s/ | 05:55 |
| ph_ | ? | 05:55 |
| ph_ | just going afk for a bit - have a friend over to fix his comp | 05:56 |
| Ponch0 | I did like 3.10 alot also | 05:56 |
| ph_ | ponch0, sorry i pulled my plug out :P - yeah it's pretty stable if you follow the method above I said to upgrade - but get yourself a copy of clonezilla and put it on a USB then backup your ubuntu as is - it only takes about 5 minutes to do so. try it out and then your can recover if you don't think it's stable enough | 06:07 |
| ph_ | or you can do it with jhbuild? darkxst can point u in the right direction for that | 06:07 |
| ph_ | darkxst, hey man did you try to crash your gnome-shell the way i suggested yet? | 06:10 |
| Ponch0 | Hey guys anyone know how I can get this cpu thing up and running like so here: http://vindsl.com/images/vindsl-desktop-28-apr-2013-1.png | 06:56 |
| darkxst | Ponch0, that is conky, but I have never used it | 07:33 |
| ricotz | better spend cpu-cycles on something useful ;P | 07:34 |
| Ponch0 | thank you darkxst, I have figured it out, it doesn't look as nice as it does in pictures haha | 07:40 |
| Ponch0 | lol ricotz, that's true | 07:40 |
| darkxst | Ponch0, there are like a million different conky themes! | 07:51 |
| darkxst | ricotz, mostly have gjs working except utf-8 tests are still broken | 07:51 |
| Ponch0 | Haha I have found those. | 07:53 |
| Ponch0 | Ok- going on main ubuntu channel to bother them haha | 07:56 |
| ricotz | darkxst, great! | 07:58 |
| Vorbis | hi | 09:17 |
| Vorbis | somebody here? | 09:17 |
| Vorbis | ubuntu gnome 13.10 is going to use xmir? | 09:17 |
| darkxst | Vorbis, no | 09:19 |
| Vorbis | great!! | 09:21 |
| Vorbis | I'll test it | 09:21 |
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| ph_ | darkxst, phew - what a nightmare man | 14:11 |
| Ponch0 | ph_, how'd you work out? | 14:12 |
| ph_ | darkxst, rolled back to next only. Sorted out the nautilus, but can't for the life of me see where the font problem is coming from. Logged a bug anyway, so hopefully someone will see it before the release date so it can get fixed | 14:12 |
| ph_ | ponch0, staying with 3.10 but gnome3-next ppa only | 14:12 |
| Ponch0 | Ah ok, I had a ton of issues but I didnt have a font issue? | 14:13 |
| Ponch0 | personally when i was on 3.10 | 14:13 |
| ph_ | not going to staging - will just wait for full release of Ubuntu Gnome 13.10, and when gnome-shell 3.10 is fully released I'll install the both together | 14:13 |
| ph_ | I'm ok on next 3.10 but staging gave me all sorts of grief unfortunately | 14:14 |
| Ponch0 | That's what i'm doing at this point. | 14:14 |
| Ponch0 | Just going to wait, need something semi-stable, this computer is where I work on most of my school java stuff | 14:15 |
| ph_ | anyways I'm just recovering my software and settings etc still, it's a lot of work | 14:15 |
| Ponch0 | I know, I find it easier to back up my files and do a fresh install lol | 14:15 |
| ph_ | yeah this is my main PC - media everything pc hooked up to my tv (slash big ass monitor), so it needs to be stable | 14:16 |
| ph_ | yeah that's what i do as well, but i don't like copying my old user folder, so I opt for rebuilding and reinstalling apps manually, and just copying config files in place | 14:17 |
| ph_ | so it takes me about a day for a full build | 14:17 |
| ph_ | but that's about the same with windows so I'm not complaining - but it's better to stay with something stable than screw around with rebuilding every couple of days :P | 14:18 |
| Ponch0 | patience is a virtue lol I command you | 14:19 |
| ph_ | yeah - mine runs thin at times like this when I dive back into ubuntu and happen to hit an unstable cycle | 14:20 |
| ph_ | so your staying with g-s 3.8? | 14:21 |
| Ponch0 | Yeah for now, i'm on 13.10 beta 2 and surprisingly it's been pretty stable so far. I remember when I installed 13.04 beta because 12.10 wasn't working with my hardware. That was a nightmare | 14:22 |
| Ponch0 | so I'm going to stick with 13.10 gnome 3.8 for now. | 14:24 |
| ph_ | I had a really nice build from upgrading from 12.04 to 12.10 and it was rock solid. Then my SSD crashed and my only option was straight 12.10 when i got the drive back. I did that and jesus everything was screwed up - I have no idea why but it just wasn't the same as doing a dist-upgrade from 12.04 to 12.10 | 14:24 |
| ph_ | I was really plannig on sticking with that original 12.10 build i had for a while, but I had no choice once i got my drive back so I've been staying with the latest and greatest since then | 14:26 |
| ph_ | that was g-s 3.2 or 3.4 I can't remember now it was a year and a half ago now | 14:27 |
| Ponch0 | Yeah I understand, I had the pleasure of buying the laptop in december of last year with the new EFI boot "security" from Windows 8 | 14:27 |
| ph_ | I heard that stuffed up a lot of people's installs for a while there | 14:28 |
| Ponch0 | WIPED it :) best decision ever | 14:28 |
| Ponch0 | Oh it was a nightmare | 14:28 |
| ph_ | my pc is uefi but before all that new shite came in | 14:28 |
| ph_ | glad i didn't have to go through it | 14:29 |
| Ponch0 | Yeah, I have a PC that I never use lol but I have a dual-boot set up, ordered it from one of those, custom built places and it | 14:30 |
| Ponch0 | it's awesome cuz they really just leave it open for ya to do anything. | 14:30 |
| Ponch0 | No issues, have an external HD with gnome on it and w8 on the original. | 14:31 |
| ph_ | yeah that's the only way to go - I only build custom pc's myself - won't ever go back to branded | 14:31 |
| Ponch0 | but really, windows 8 trying to lock me out of installing linux just caused me to make it completely useless to me and I since then prefer Linux. | 14:31 |
| ph_ | yeah and it | 14:32 |
| ph_ | ^it's all to showcase there 3 second boot stuff | 14:32 |
| Ponch0 | lol is it? I didn't even know that. | 14:32 |
| Ponch0 | Not only that, windows 8 is for tablets.... | 14:33 |
| Ponch0 | why do I want tiles on my desktop...... | 14:33 |
| ph_ | yeah all that uefi, secure boot, ultra fast mode bios crap was to try and keep it just for microsoft | 14:33 |
| ph_ | i boot with ubuntu in 5 seconds | 14:34 |
| ph_ | and that's not with the ultra fast boot stuff | 14:34 |
| ph_ | it's just straight from an ssd | 14:34 |
| Ponch0 | that's awesome. | 14:34 |
| ph_ | now granted if you take bios load, and menu's etc it would be closer to 10 seconds | 14:34 |
| ph_ | but that actual boot time of ubuntu is 5 seconds | 14:35 |
| Ponch0 | that's really good. | 14:35 |
| ph_ | microsoft's 3 second boot is from when you click the power button you have a desktop and can start working within 3 seconds | 14:35 |
| Ponch0 | Right, personally it doesn't matter to me as long as it doesn't take over a minute lol | 14:36 |
| ph_ | google you tube and you can see some in action - it's quite cool but it's only microsoft at this stage | 14:36 |
| ph_ | 6.3 seconds is mine - just checked it in the logs | 14:37 |
| ph_ | so that's not so bad | 14:37 |
| Ponch0 | not bad at all, damnit my neighbors having sex again. | 14:38 |
| ph_ | lol eeeewww | 14:38 |
| ph_ | anyways on that note I'm just gonna finish sorting my machine out | 14:39 |
| Ponch0 | np, good luck! | 14:40 |
| ph_ | see ya round - i'm sure i'll be in and out of here getting stuff sorted | 14:40 |
| ph_ | cheers you too | 14:40 |
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| bjsnider | Ponch0, not enough insulation where you live? | 16:09 |
| bjsnider | there's a product called safe & sound, and also quietrock | 16:10 |
| lenzeor | Anyone there? | 16:49 |
| lenzeor | How do I upgrade from gnome 3.8 to 3.10? | 16:49 |
| lenzeor | Anyone there? | 16:56 |
| lenzeor | How do I upgrade from gnome 3.8 to 3.10? | 16:56 |
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| roasted | man. evolution in saucy is crazy unstable | 18:44 |
| roasted | edit preferences of an ews account... instant crash majority of the time | 18:44 |
| bjsnider | good thing i use it not | 19:02 |
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| === _df is now known as df | ||
| steven_ | working on a Linux OS--12.4. Is there an upgrade? | 20:38 |
| steven_ | <steven_> 12.10 is that an upgrade for linux OS? | 20:38 |
| roasted | bjsnider: (delayed answer incoming) yeah, I hear you. It's just Evolution integrates rather nicely with Exchange. Nothing else on Linux, as far as I'm aware, will do that. I could always pull IMAP in, but then calendars, contacts, tasks, etc are left to the OWA on a browser. :/ | 22:38 |
| roasted | It seems as if the gvfs bug that plagued earlier releases is still apparent in Ubuntu GNOME 13.10 | 23:29 |
| roasted | I just tried to pull 1.5 GB from my samba file server. | 23:29 |
| roasted | It locked up at 916 MB. It's been sitting here, frozen, for 15 minutes now. | 23:29 |
| bjsnider | roasted, gdm session errors? | 23:52 |
| roasted | bjsnider: remind me... where are htey located? | 23:53 |
| roasted | ist hat xsession-errors? | 23:53 |
| roasted | xsession-errors does not show anything relevant. The last thing listed there is regarding Geppetto, which is something I used at the end of my shift @ work about 4 hours ago | 23:54 |
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