[01:51] <Ponch0> from 3.8 to "3.10"
[01:51] <roasted> hi
[01:51] <roasted> what?
[01:52] <Ponch0> oh someone asked earlier at some point, what I upgraded to from what, when i stated that my software updater wasn't working anymore
[01:52] <Ponch0> since the upgrade
[02:43] <bjsnider> dist-upgrade isn't what you probably think it is
[02:44] <bjsnider> it is necessary when you've got packages that have to be forced out by conflicts
[02:44] <bjsnider> upgrade may be enough in most cases
[03:00] <Ponch0> Nooooooo, last time I ran upgrade, it deleted gnome and just put in straight buntu
[03:25] <roasted> o.O
[03:30] <Ponch0> -_-
[03:33] <roasted> I have a question that I'd like to present with the utmost level of respect, but I am so dang curious I want to fire it out there.
[03:34] <roasted> If development for Gnome 3.10 started in May, how is it that 13.10 is still 3.8 bound? I understand that there's little time there, but one would think that 3.10 starting back in May would allow for a considerable amount of time to port things in place.
[03:37] <Ponch0> I saw an article that said something about it being seperate or something
[03:37] <roasted> I get the stability argument, but I just find it a little :/ to have a "new" distro out that needs a PPA to have the latest Gnome. This seems like it'll be something that travels with Ubuntu GNOME forever...
[03:38] <Ponch0> yeah ubuntu is fugly, they should just rename it and call it gnobuntu
[03:38] <Ponch0> and make it like a permanent thing
[03:39] <roasted> Ubuntu GNOME is a permanent thing
[03:39] <roasted> and Gubuntu got shot down, if I recall
[03:39] <roasted> not sure about Gnobuntu. Sounds awkward to verbally say it :P
[03:39] <roasted> the thing is, Ubuntu positioned its release day 1 month after each Gnome release, which worked in the 2.x days just fine.
[03:40] <roasted> But now, Ubuntu is not in the Gnome camp... this is Ubuntu GNOME's turf now... but in 3.x land, a month is not enough.
[03:40] <roasted> Which basically guarantees that each consecutive version of Ubuntu GNOME will effectively have one version older of Gnome than what's "current"
[03:40] <roasted> well, latest, I shoulds ay
[03:45] <Ponch0> I dunno sounds like politics. Preferential elevator stuff I rather not speculate on.
[03:46] <roasted> I hear you. It's just with the introduction of another PPA, it sounds like a lot to manage.
[03:47] <Ponch0> For sure.
[03:57] <darkxst> roasted, there is nothing we can do about release dates! We have to share the archive with Ubuntu
[03:58] <roasted> I thought that would be the case.
[03:58] <darkxst> and on the plus side saucy is rock solid, since the 3.8 packages had a good cycle to bake. end result is probably 100x more stable than it would have been with 3.10 in it.
[03:58] <roasted> I understand.
[03:59] <roasted> I'll give Saucy with 3.8 a solid run.
[03:59] <darkxst> and as for the PPA's they provide the foundation for Ubuntu+1
[03:59] <roasted> you mentioned that to get 3.10 in Saucy we'll definitely need 2 PPAs, correct?
[04:00] <darkxst> to get all of 3.10, atleast initially you will need both -next and staging
[04:02] <roasted> k, I'll keep it in mind
[04:02] <roasted> just begins to make my knees shake when I hear my DE will be housed under multiple PPAs :P
[04:05] <Ponch0> omg darkxst! the hero
[04:05] <roasted> the legend
[04:07] <Ponch0> darkxst, question sir: I upgraded to '3.10', software updater isn't working, how do I keep my system up to date from command line? is sudo apt-get update, sudo apt-get dist-upgrade sufficient?
[04:08] <darkxst> Ponch0, yes sure dist-upgrade is fine, just make sure to always check if it wants to remove half you system (as it will sometimes, if there are broken dependencies)
[04:09] <Ponch0> :D haha I remember, ever since then it hasn't asked once if I wanted a partial, and i've been waiting and hoping that it does.
[04:14] <roasted> for what it's worth, your work, time, energy, and contributions are appreciated darkxst and team.
[04:14] <Ponch0> for sure, is there a po box i send the xmas gift to?
[04:14] <Ponch0> australian beer?
[04:15] <darkxst> thanks guy
[04:17] <darkxst> Ponch0, I can get australian beer down the street ;)
[04:19] <Ponch0> haha, I just saw the commercial for "Foster". I'm pretty sure you guys don't like/know about it, alot of the american stuff once it gets here gets watered down.
[04:19] <roasted> do any of you know the answer offhand.. if you're playing music in 3.8 and you right click rhythm box in the message tray, are there buttons for forward reverse pause?
[04:24] <Ponch0> I don't sorry
[04:27] <darkxst> "Fosters" is crap so we just export it!
[04:28] <ph_> darkxst, hey man you here?
[04:29] <ph_> darkxst, I just got done but still have the DPI problem and nautilus is 100% CPU utilisation when I open it
[04:31] <ph_> darkxst, ubuntu gnome 13.10, then updates restart, gnome3-next ppa, dist-upgrade reboot - nautilus problem detected at this point. gnome3 ppa + gnome3-staging ppa, dist-upgrade and reboot and install hexchat
[04:31] <Ponch0> How would one upgrade to 13.10, while already having and keeping gnome '3.10'?
[04:32] <ph_> the big font problem is at the login screen so not user related - so that should make it easier to resolve yeah?
[04:32] <ph_> darkxst, Any ideas on the nautilus issue either?
[04:33] <darkxst> ph_, nope sorry
[04:33] <ph_> Ponch0, I don't think you can do it
[04:33] <darkxst> just file bugs using ubuntu-bug for both issues
[04:33] <ph_> Ponch0, need to ppa-purge first before you upgrade to 13.10
[04:34] <ph_> darkxst, bugger!
[04:34] <Ponch0> thanks ph_
[04:34] <ph_> darkxst, I have the logs from the first reboot where the big fonts problem started do you want to have a quick look at those?
[04:34] <darkxst> ok
[04:34] <Ponch0> I have this pesky wifi problem since always that other users have with the card but seems to have been ignored because I guess not enough people complain, hoping it's fixed in 13.10
[04:35] <ph_> ponch0, normally I would recommend a clean build but not with the issues I am having :P
[04:35] <Ponch0> ph_, yeah i'm getting desperate ..
[04:37] <ph_> darkxst, http://pastebin.com/xmAUQ4Wf
[04:37] <ph_> the first few lines with date etc are from the dmesg after the first boot, there was aparmor error - i uninstalled apparmor, not fixed.
[04:38] <ph_> the errors from line 12 to 28 are from the last boot without staging of gnome-settings-daemon
[04:38] <ph_> from 29 down that is gnome-settings-daemon with gnome3-staging
[04:40] <darkxst> I don't see anything there that would be related to messed up fonts
[04:40] <ph_> darkxst, that's without logging in
[04:40] <ph_> ok I found this page https://help.ubuntu.com/community/NvidiaResolutionXorgConf
[04:40] <ph_> see DisplaySize and the text just before that
[04:41] <ph_> how it says that if the display size is detected incorrectly it can mess fonts and cursor size up
[04:41] <ph_> that's exactly what is happening with me and my monitor is detected as 7" but should be 55"
[04:42] <ph_> I tried created an xorg.conf with settings for 55" but it didn
[04:42] <ph_> ^didn't change the detected size in gnome-control-panel so I assume it's getting it somewhere else
[04:50] <ph_> darkxst, this is from /var/log/Xorg.0.log http://pastebin.com/2rhcaLk4
[04:50] <ph_> darkxst, can you please grep your log for dpi and see what yours is getting set to?
[04:51] <darkxst> DPI set to (85, 86);
[04:51] <ph_> there you go - so that is the problem - it's picking up bad edid settings
[04:51] <ph_> darkxst, is your monitor at 1920x1080?
[04:51] <darkxst> what NVIDIA blob are you using?
[04:52] <darkxst> my monitors are 1280x1024
[04:52] <ph_> well I was just using nouveau - i just installed 319.49 and rebooted before i connected here to see if that made a difference
[04:53] <ph_> darkxst, what's a blob btw :P
[04:53] <darkxst> proprietry binary only drivers
[04:54] <ph_> cool - 64bit also. So I think it would be unlikely if nouveau is having the same issue that it's from the NVidia drivers
[04:54] <darkxst> ph_ anyway this is either a driver, X or monitor issue, you might have more luck getting help in #ubuntu-x
[04:56] <ph_> darkxst, ok i'll try there. What about the nautilus issue? It cam straight after upgrading to gnome3-next. Would it be possible for me to downgrade to the nautilus package from Saucy or that wouldn't be a good idea?
[04:58] <Ponch0> Here comes fresh install of Ubuntu-gnome!
[04:59] <Noskcaj> Why haven't the support and devel channels been split yet?
[04:59] <darkxst> ph_, nautilus is on staging, so no you won't be able to downgrade it.
[05:00] <ph_> ponch0 - good luck :) let me know if you have nautilus issues after upgrading to gnome3-next ppa
[05:00] <darkxst> do you get any errors if you run from a terminal
[05:00] <Ponch0> ph_: I should be back soon, if not my computer blew up :D
[05:01] <Ponch0> I have intel on this laptop, so we'll see how the reception is.
[05:01] <ph_> darkxst, no I don't now - so doing the ubuntu-gnome build made it less chatty with errors but is there a log perhaps that might have errors thrown by nautilus that wouldn't show on the console?
[05:01] <ph_> ponch0, cool :)
[05:02] <darkxst> ph_, run `G_MESSAGES_DEBUG=all nautilus`
[05:02] <ph_> darkxst, wow this is funny I just ran nautilus from a terminal with sudo su - so as root and it runs fine without 100% cpu?!?
[05:03] <Noskcaj> Can someone fix the topic to say that beta 2 is the latest developement release?
[05:04] <ph_> darkxst, ok getting heaps of these running nautilus as a normal user (nautilus:7143): dconf-CRITICAL **: unable to create file '/run/user/1000/dconf/user': Permission denied.  dconf will not work properly.
[05:05] <ph_> darkxst, and running as normal user is 100% CPU - so I think that would be the actual cause right there
[05:06] <ph_> darkxst, how can i fix that permission problem?
[05:07] <ph_> darkxst, isn't /run for writing pid's etc to?
[05:08] <ph_> darkxst, so fixing that with chmod will break on a reboot wouldn't it?
[05:08] <darkxst> probably
[05:08] <ph_> darkxst, these are the permissions set on this folder -rw-------
[05:08] <ph_> can you have a look at yours?
[05:09] <ph_> please
[05:09] <darkxst> do you own the file?
[05:09] <ph_> nope root does
[05:09] <darkxst> it should be owner:group 1000
[05:09] <darkxst> or whatever you username is
[05:10] <ph_> ok is the user/1000 folder correct or that should be user/username ?
[05:11] <darkxst> 1000 is correct
[05:11] <ph_> could it have something to do with my fstab mount options at all?
[05:11] <ph_> ok but it's getting the wrong permissions then - how the hell is that happening?
[05:11] <darkxst> run is not mounted by fstab
[05:12] <ph_> good point
[05:12] <darkxst> no idea sorry, not likely a gnome issue though, so file a bug and hopefully someone who knows will look into it
[05:12] <ph_> it's funny I own the folder user is sitting in but user it'sef is root
[05:13] <ph_> ^itself
[05:15] <ph_> darkxst, ok I worked it out - when i ran nautilus as sudo it created that file and then when i ran it as my user it didn't have permissions to it - but root shouldn't be creating stuff under /user/1000 in the first place yeah?
[05:17] <darkxst> sudo is not really root
[05:18] <ph_> sudo su it was - but that's the same?
[05:21] <ph_> darkxst, G_MESSAGES_DEBUG=all nautilus running that as a user it doesn't throw errors - but it show it is successfully registerd at /org/gnome/SessionManager/Client18 but runs at 100% CPU. When running G_MESSAGES_DEBUG=all nautilus under sudo su terminal it fails to register but doesn't run at 100% CPU. Could it be some issue with gnome session manager causing the problem?
[05:24] <darkxst> probably not
[05:24] <darkxst> do you have nautilus rendering desktop icons?
[05:25] <ph_> no i don't have gnome-tweak installed yet
[05:26] <ph_> maybe it could be screwed up user settings for nautilus - i will try creating a new user account and test
[05:26] <ph_> brb
[05:33] <Ponch0> ph_: No issues what so far, in fact all the issues I had prior to this (besides wifi) are now gone.
[05:34] <Ponch0> what so ever*
[05:34] <ph_> darkxst, yeah that's it man
[05:34] <Ponch0> ph_: No issues whats so ever, in fact all the issues I had prior to this (besides wifi) are now gone.
[05:35] <ph_> darkxst, created new user and nautilus issue disappeared. So something in my profile from moving from 3.8 to 3.10
[05:35] <ph_> darkxst, will have to migrate and test in new account. I'll let you know if I track down the cause
[05:35] <ph_> ponch0, nice one :)
[05:36] <ph_> ponch0, mine are superficial errors it seems so not so bad here either ;)
[05:36] <Ponch0> awesome!
[05:37] <ph_> ponch0, yeah ;) Although bluetooth isn't working for me as the last problem I'm having - are you seeing bluetooth icon in 3.10 ponch0?
[05:37] <Ponch0> ph_: yup, and disabled it as usual haha
[05:37] <ph_> ponch0, can you do a test for me also to see if you can crash gnome-shell?
[05:37] <Ponch0> sure thing.
[05:38] <ph_> go to activities, search terminal and run it. type sudo su and enter
[05:38] <darkxst> bluetooth icon in shell won't work yet
[05:38] <ph_> then nautilus
[05:38] <darkxst> but bluetooth itself should be fine
[05:38] <ph_> then flick your mouse up to the activities and see if it crashes gnome-shell
[05:39] <Ponch0> ph_ have been doing that since i logged in, i'm getting all my programs in place, no issues.
[05:39] <ph_> darkxst, yeah bluetooth is working but no icon - ok that's cool - not an issue then :)
[05:39] <darkxst> needs the new BlueZ, but that is a massive transition
[05:40] <ph_> so running nautilus as root from a terminal with sudo su running you can open activities without crashing?
[05:40] <Ponch0> ph_: no issues with terminal sudo su, and flicking activities I have no issue
[05:40] <ph_> can you try with gedit
[05:40] <Ponch0> run gedit from terminal? how do I get out of root?
[05:41] <ph_> no stay as root and run gedit
[05:41] <ph_> then try flicking to activities
[05:41] <darkxst> ph_, why would you want to do that!
[05:41] <ph_> darkxst, lol for editing grub
[05:42] <ph_> ponch0, you still here?
[05:42] <ph_> ponch0, did it crash your gnome-shell?
[05:43] <darkxst> ph_, use vi or something, its not generally a good idea to run GUI apps as root
[05:44] <ph_> darkxst, understood but it shouldn't kill gnome-shell like that
[05:45] <Ponch0> That did it! :D, once i flicked to activities after gedit opened, it crashed.
[05:46] <ph_> darkxst, i only do it for a few things - usually i have nautilus extensions install that run gksu and then the app I want which works without issue but before you install all that on a fresh build sudo gedit is what I have been used to and it kills the hell out of gnome-shell - you can't recover by ctrl+alt+f1 and stop gdm and restart it - you have to reboot your entire computer to recover
[05:46] <ph_> ponch0, ok that's great thanks for testing it - just remember not to do that and you won't kill gnome-shell
[05:47] <darkxst> it should never crash that hard!
[05:47] <ph_> darkxst, I'm going to log a bug - because yeah it shouldn't but it does
[05:48] <ph_> trust me I tried killing all gnome processes, X everything i could think of and restarting them all and logging in - nope no gnome-shell it throws heaps of errors in the logs - need to bounce my entire computer to fix it
[05:48] <ph_> darkxst, you try it and see if you can recover without rebooting your machine
[05:49] <ph_> needs to be sudo su from gnome-terminal then nautilus or gedit do it for me - but try gedit that does it without fail and on other pc's it seems according to ponch0
[05:50] <Ponch0> but I do have the bluetooth icon
[05:50] <ph_> lol - how'd you get that?
[05:50] <Ponch0> It was here after install.
[05:51] <ph_> ponch0 - have you upgraded to gnome3-next and gnome3-staging?
[05:51] <ph_> or just ubuuntu gnome 13.10
[05:51] <Ponch0> I'm on beta Ubuntu-GNOME
[05:51] <ph_> if it's just ubuntu gnome 13.10 then you are gnome-shell 3.8
[05:51] <Ponch0> 3.11.0-9-generic
[05:51] <ph_> that's why you have the icon
[05:51] <Ponch0> ooooh I see ok "GNOME Shell 3.8.4"
[05:51] <Ponch0> just ran version check,
[05:52] <ph_> to get gnome-shell 3.10 you need to add the gnome3-next ppa then apt-get distupgrade
[05:52] <Ponch0> That's why I have no issues :D
[05:52] <ph_> ^dist-upgrade
[05:52] <ph_> yeah that could be why no nautilus 100%
[05:52] <ph_> it's up to you if you want 3.10 or not
[05:53] <ph_> if you do then it's better to add gnome3-next ppa, dist-upgrade to that, then add gnome3 ppa and gnome3-staging ppa and do another dist-upgrade
[05:53] <Ponch0> No, haha I had that before this reinstall, heeeaps of issues
[05:53] <ph_> aaahhh ok
[05:53] <ph_> lol
[05:54] <ph_> yeah i am tempted to ghost back to my 13.10 with 3.8
[05:54] <ph_> buuuuut I like having the latest gnome-shell
[05:54] <ph_> so i'm gonna stick it out
[05:55] <ph_> darkxst, are you still here - did you try gedit to crash your g-s/
[05:55] <ph_> ?
[05:56] <ph_> just going afk for a bit - have a friend over to fix his comp
[05:56] <Ponch0> I did like 3.10 alot also
[06:07] <ph_> ponch0, sorry i pulled my plug out :P - yeah it's pretty stable if you follow the method above I said to upgrade - but get yourself a copy of clonezilla and put it on a USB then backup your ubuntu as is - it only takes about 5 minutes to do so. try it out and then your can recover if you don't think it's stable enough
[06:07] <ph_> or you can do it with jhbuild? darkxst can point u in the right direction for that
[06:10] <ph_> darkxst, hey man did you try to crash your gnome-shell the way i suggested yet?
[06:56] <Ponch0> Hey guys anyone know how I can get this cpu thing up and running like so here: http://vindsl.com/images/vindsl-desktop-28-apr-2013-1.png
[07:33] <darkxst> Ponch0, that is conky, but I have never used it
[07:34] <ricotz> better spend cpu-cycles on something useful ;P
[07:40] <Ponch0> thank you darkxst, I have figured it out, it doesn't look as nice as it does in pictures haha
[07:40] <Ponch0> lol ricotz, that's true
[07:51] <darkxst> Ponch0, there are like a million different conky themes!
[07:51] <darkxst> ricotz, mostly have gjs working except utf-8 tests are still broken
[07:53] <Ponch0> Haha I have found those.
[07:56] <Ponch0> Ok- going on main ubuntu channel to bother them haha
[07:58] <ricotz> darkxst, great!
[09:17] <Vorbis> hi
[09:17] <Vorbis> somebody here?
[09:17] <Vorbis> ubuntu gnome 13.10 is going to use xmir?
[09:19] <darkxst> Vorbis, no
[09:21] <Vorbis> great!!
[09:21] <Vorbis> I'll test it
[14:11] <ph_> darkxst, phew - what a nightmare man
[14:12] <Ponch0> ph_, how'd you work out?
[14:12] <ph_> darkxst, rolled back to next only. Sorted out the nautilus, but can't for the life of me see where the font problem is coming from. Logged a bug anyway, so hopefully someone will see it before the release date so it can get fixed
[14:12] <ph_> ponch0, staying with 3.10 but gnome3-next ppa only
[14:13] <Ponch0> Ah ok, I had a ton of issues but I didnt have a font issue?
[14:13] <Ponch0> personally when i was on 3.10
[14:13] <ph_> not going to staging - will just wait for full release of Ubuntu Gnome 13.10, and when gnome-shell 3.10 is fully released I'll install the both together
[14:14] <ph_> I'm ok on next 3.10 but staging gave me all sorts of grief unfortunately
[14:14] <Ponch0> That's what i'm doing at this point.
[14:15] <Ponch0> Just going to wait, need something semi-stable, this computer is where I work on most of my school java stuff
[14:15] <ph_> anyways I'm just recovering my software and settings etc still, it's a lot of work
[14:15] <Ponch0> I know, I find it easier to back up my files and do a fresh install lol
[14:16] <ph_> yeah this is my main PC - media everything pc hooked up to my tv (slash big ass monitor), so it needs to be stable
[14:17] <ph_> yeah that's what i do as well, but i don't like copying my old user folder, so I opt for rebuilding and reinstalling apps manually, and just copying config files in place
[14:17] <ph_> so it takes me about a day for a full build
[14:18] <ph_> but that's about the same with windows so I'm not complaining - but it's better to stay with something stable than screw around with rebuilding every couple of days :P
[14:19] <Ponch0> patience is a virtue lol I command you
[14:20] <ph_> yeah - mine runs thin at times like this when I dive back into ubuntu and happen to hit an unstable cycle
[14:21] <ph_> so your staying with g-s 3.8?
[14:22] <Ponch0> Yeah for now, i'm on 13.10 beta 2 and surprisingly it's been pretty stable so far.  I remember when I installed 13.04 beta because 12.10 wasn't working with my hardware.  That was a nightmare
[14:24] <Ponch0> so I'm going to stick with 13.10 gnome 3.8 for now.
[14:24] <ph_> I had a really nice build from upgrading from 12.04 to 12.10 and it was rock solid. Then my SSD crashed and my only option was straight 12.10 when i got the drive back. I did that and jesus everything was screwed up - I have no idea why but it just wasn't the same as doing a dist-upgrade from 12.04 to 12.10
[14:26] <ph_> I was really plannig on sticking with that original 12.10 build i had for a while, but I had no choice once i got my drive back so I've been staying with the latest and greatest since then
[14:27] <ph_> that was g-s 3.2 or 3.4 I can't remember now it was a year and a half ago now
[14:27] <Ponch0> Yeah I understand, I had the pleasure of buying the laptop in december of last year with the new EFI boot "security" from Windows 8
[14:28] <ph_> I heard that stuffed up a lot of people's installs for a while there
[14:28] <Ponch0> WIPED it :) best decision ever
[14:28] <Ponch0> Oh it was a nightmare
[14:28] <ph_> my pc is uefi but before all that new shite came in
[14:29] <ph_> glad i didn't have to go through it
[14:30] <Ponch0> Yeah, I have a PC that I never use lol but I have a dual-boot set up, ordered it from one of those, custom built places and it
[14:30] <Ponch0> it's awesome cuz they really just leave it open for ya to do anything.
[14:31] <Ponch0> No issues, have an external HD with gnome on it and w8 on the original.
[14:31] <ph_> yeah that's the only way to go - I only build custom pc's myself - won't ever go back to branded
[14:31] <Ponch0> but really, windows 8 trying to lock me out of installing linux just caused me to make it completely useless to me and I since then prefer Linux.
[14:32] <ph_> yeah and it
[14:32] <ph_> ^it's all to showcase there 3 second boot stuff
[14:32] <Ponch0> lol is it? I didn't even know that.
[14:33] <Ponch0> Not only that, windows 8 is for tablets....
[14:33] <Ponch0> why do I want tiles on my desktop......
[14:33] <ph_> yeah all that uefi, secure boot, ultra fast mode bios crap was to try and keep it just for microsoft
[14:34] <ph_> i boot with ubuntu in 5 seconds
[14:34] <ph_> and that's not with the ultra fast boot stuff
[14:34] <ph_> it's just straight from an ssd
[14:34] <Ponch0> that's awesome.
[14:34] <ph_> now granted if you take bios load, and menu's etc it would be closer to 10 seconds
[14:35] <ph_> but that actual boot time of ubuntu is 5 seconds
[14:35] <Ponch0> that's really good.
[14:35] <ph_> microsoft's 3 second boot is from when you click the power button you have a desktop and can start working within 3 seconds
[14:36] <Ponch0> Right, personally it doesn't matter to me as long as it doesn't take over a minute lol
[14:36] <ph_> google you tube and you can see some in action - it's quite cool but it's only microsoft at this stage
[14:37] <ph_> 6.3 seconds is mine - just checked it in the logs
[14:37] <ph_> so that's not so bad
[14:38] <Ponch0> not bad at all, damnit my neighbors having sex again.
[14:38] <ph_> lol eeeewww
[14:39] <ph_> anyways on that note I'm just gonna finish sorting my machine out
[14:40] <Ponch0> np, good luck!
[14:40] <ph_> see ya round - i'm sure i'll be in and out of here getting stuff sorted
[14:40] <ph_> cheers you too
[16:09] <bjsnider> Ponch0, not enough insulation where you live?
[16:10] <bjsnider> there's a product called safe & sound, and also quietrock
[16:49] <lenzeor> Anyone there?
[16:49] <lenzeor> How do I upgrade from gnome 3.8 to 3.10?
[16:56] <lenzeor> Anyone there?
[16:56] <lenzeor> How do I upgrade from gnome 3.8 to 3.10?
[18:44] <roasted> man. evolution in saucy is crazy unstable
[18:44] <roasted> edit preferences of an ews account... instant crash majority of the time
[19:02] <bjsnider> good thing i use it not
[20:38] <steven_> working on a Linux OS--12.4.  Is there an upgrade?
 12.10 is that an upgrade for linux OS?
[22:38] <roasted> bjsnider: (delayed answer incoming) yeah, I hear you. It's just Evolution integrates rather nicely with Exchange. Nothing else on Linux, as far as I'm aware, will do that. I could always pull IMAP in, but then calendars, contacts, tasks, etc are left to the OWA on a browser. :/
[23:29] <roasted> It seems as if the gvfs bug that plagued earlier releases is still apparent in Ubuntu GNOME 13.10
[23:29] <roasted> I just tried to pull 1.5 GB from my samba file server.
[23:29] <roasted> It locked up at 916 MB. It's been sitting here, frozen, for 15 minutes now.
[23:52] <bjsnider> roasted, gdm session errors?
[23:53] <roasted> bjsnider: remind me... where are htey located?
[23:53] <roasted> ist hat xsession-errors?
[23:54] <roasted> xsession-errors does not show anything relevant. The last thing listed there is regarding Geppetto, which is something I used at the end of my shift @ work about 4 hours ago