[05:06] <jibel> Good morning
[05:39] <pitti> Good morning
[05:57] <DanChapman> good morning
[06:00] <pitti> thomi: I finally started to review https://code.launchpad.net/~dpniel/autopilot-gtk/autopilotgtkemulators/+merge/187673
[06:01] <pitti> thomi: what is the usual schema for packaging emulators? would "import autopilot.gtk.emulators" be appropriate here?
[06:02] <pitti> thomi: also, do you think these should go into a new python-autopilot-gtk-emulators package, or land right in python-autopilot?
[06:02] <pitti> DanChapman: ^ (FYI)
[06:05] <DanChapman> pitti, awesome :-) thanks for finding the time to review it, i know you are rather busy atm
[06:07] <pitti> thomi: ah actually, autopilot.gtk.emulators wouldn't work, as two different packages would try to use the same namespace; so maybe autopilot_gtk.emulators ?
[08:27] <jibel> rhuddie, hey, does bug 1230196 exist in other apps or only messaging? it could be an sdk bug
[08:29] <rhuddie> jibel, I only saw it in the messaging app
[08:30] <rhuddie> jibel, it seemed to be to do with scrolling through a long message... it was a weird problem
[08:30] <jibel> rhuddie, okay, I'm moving it there, we'll see what messaging devs say.
[08:41] <slickymaster> morning all o/
[08:44] <DanChapman> morning slickymaster
[08:45] <slickymaster> hi DanChapman. hope everything is fine with you
[08:49] <DanChapman> slickymaster: Everythings great thanks. And yourself?
[08:50] <slickymaster> DanChapman: Also great, thanks. Finishing the editing work on the upcoming 13.10 manual
[09:15] <rhuddie> anyone know if there is a setting for disabling screen power off? I can't find anything in system settings.
[09:17] <slickymaster> rhuddie: see if is this what you're looking for: http://askubuntu.com/questions/348974/how-to-prevent-my-screens-from-turning-off-when-the-screen-is-locked
[09:18] <rhuddie> slickymaster, sorry, I meant on ubuntu touch
[09:19] <slickymaster> rhuddie: np
[09:32] <jibel> rhuddie, run 'powerd-cli display on bright'
[09:32] <jibel> rhuddie, in the bakground if you want to keep it on
[09:32] <jibel> back
[09:35] <jibel> rhuddie, if you meant a UI wait to disable screen power off, I don't know any
[09:39] <john__> Hi! Are Fujitsu-Siemens Lifebooks well supported by Ubuntu? In particular E743 and E753 models.
[09:44] <rhuddie> jibel, thanks
[09:48] <DanChapman> john__: My partner runs Ubuntu on her E753 with no problems at all.
[10:17] <jibel> pitti, there is still a problem with adt-run. For example http://10.98.0.1:8080/job/saucy-adt-apport/120/ARCH=i386,label=adt/consoleFull
[10:18] <jibel> pitti, test timed out but didn't stop
[10:18] <jibel> pitti, I'll connect to the VM to see if I can gather useful information
[10:21] <davmor2> Morning all
[10:31] <pitti> jibel: hey
[10:32] <pitti> jibel: ah, that's the one I was just looking at too, as I got a failure
[10:32] <pitti> jibel: did you kill that manually?
[10:32] <davmor2> pitti: no he use a computer to kill honest ;)
[11:21] <jibel> pitti, I did. I had to kill 24777 on http://paste.ubuntu.com/6179036/
[11:26] <pitti> oh, my interweb tube is back
[11:27] <pitti> jibel: ok, that killed the actual test, but supposedly adt-run should have killed 16787 at timeout, right:?
[11:31] <jibel> pitti, yes
[11:33] <davmor2> ubuntu-qa just a heads up.  Image 74 is broken critically, Usermetircs has apparently broken anything it touches, so phone sms and camera don't know about anything else.
[11:35] <pitti> jibel: ok, I'll have a look at this after lunch
[13:42] <smartboyhw> balloons, any cadence weeks this week?
[13:42]  * smartboyhw does not want to see the schedule since it will deteoriate his bandwith
[13:43] <smartboyhw> *bandwidth
[13:43] <balloons> smartboyhw, nope we have the final round next week for testing the rc's and final images :-)
[13:43] <smartboyhw> balloons, nice, let's get fired up?
[13:43] <smartboyhw> :P
[13:43] <smartboyhw> balloons, when will we start Classroom sessions planning?
[13:45] <balloons> smartboyhw, as soon as the release is out :-)
[13:45] <balloons> It'll be classroom time again, which should be fun!
[13:45] <smartboyhw> balloons, next time, we should have such sessions pre-release instead of post-release
[13:45] <smartboyhw> Or maybe overlap
[13:45] <smartboyhw> Like, image sessions pre-release
[13:45] <balloons> smartboyhw, how would you like to see them done?
[13:45] <smartboyhw> autopilot sessions post-release
[13:46] <balloons> we;ve done them at the beginning of the cycle each time, but it is true that you can't use the info right away
[13:46] <smartboyhw> balloons, we need some hype (and some more testers)
[13:46] <smartboyhw> Who can use the knowledge right away
[13:47] <om26er> jibel, re: bug 1227519
[13:47] <om26er> it seems the indicator crashes
[13:48] <balloons> smartboyhw, well we could certainly run something at the beginning of next week so they could put it to immediate use
[13:48] <smartboyhw> balloons, yes, we can
[13:48] <balloons> doing that doesn't preclude anything
[13:48] <smartboyhw> What "something" then?
[13:49] <balloons> what do you feel is needed?
[13:49] <smartboyhw> (Don't mention Google Hangouts, I can't be on Air due to age restrictions:P)
[13:49] <balloons> we have video sessions explaining things already
[13:49] <jibel> om26er, did you collect a crash file?
[13:49] <jibel> or even reproduce
[13:50] <om26er> jibel, well I face the issue daily. I checked that the service was not running, started by hand and it worked
[13:50] <jibel> om26er, hm, and nothing in /var/crash?
[13:50] <smartboyhw> balloons, promotion is not enough I believe
[13:50] <jibel> om26er, do you have the issue after a reboot or only after a fresh flash?
[13:53] <balloons> smartboyhw, probably worth having a quick look over https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/ISO/Walkthrough
[13:53] <smartboyhw> balloons, I don't think there's big issues with it
[13:53]  * balloons reads
[13:54] <smartboyhw> *big issues*
[14:00] <balloons> smartboyhw, hmm, fair enough. We could be more direct in our promotion.. All the tests and overhead my by overwhelming to folks
[14:01] <smartboyhw> balloons, more direct? How?
[14:01] <balloons> instead of watching a video, we could simply ask them to install the image on there machines. Physical machines that is. If possible, upgrade the version of ubuntu they already have, etc
[14:02] <smartboyhw> balloons, +1
[14:02] <balloons> give them a link to the image directly, etc. I wonder about getting the result though
[14:03] <smartboyhw> balloons, getting the result = ISO QA Tracker?
[14:03] <balloons> smartboyhw, yes, I wonder if we could easily link them to one page so avoid confusion
[14:04] <balloons> for folks that are testing this way..
[14:05] <smartboyhw> balloons, a one-stop page? Ask amjjawad, he's good at such things:P
[14:14] <balloons> smartboyhw, we have a one-stop page, I'm thinking even more consolidated than that. I'll run with the idea
[14:14] <jfunk> nuclearbob, just wanted to thank you for your quick work on the QA reports, already coming in handy -  http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/qa/qa-touch-1.html
[14:14] <smartboyhw> balloons, i.e. ?
[14:14] <nuclearbob> jfunk: no problem
[14:17] <balloons> smartboyhw, thinking a little more outside the box. It would be nice to potentially streamline the process to this specific use case, but I'm not sure
[14:18] <smartboyhw> balloons, hmm
[14:18] <smartboyhw> Quite difficult to streamline the result-reporting part
[14:19] <balloons> I'm thinking a tool to get the image (we have those) and report the result, since it would be very specific in this single use scenario
[14:19] <balloons> we can report tracker results via api
[14:20] <smartboyhw> balloons, what we can do, is integrate testdrive.
[14:20] <smartboyhw> With result-reporting functions
[14:20] <smartboyhw> But I'm not sure DanChapman and Noskcaj will want to code that:)
[14:21] <balloons> yes, that is possible, but in that case I'm not sure if makes as much sense
[14:21] <balloons> it's already pretty simple. I'm after real world hardware results
[14:22] <smartboyhw> balloons, they installed it, then they have to report t
[14:22] <balloons> yep.. it's always tempting to think about technology
[14:46] <jfunk> alesage, where are you now?
[14:48] <alesage> jfunk, Chi-town
[14:48] <alesage> and experiencing jetlag of almost kiwi proportions
[14:49] <jfunk> hehe
[14:49] <jfunk> how was your epic journey?
[14:49] <jfunk> alesage, ^
[14:49] <alesage> jfunk, quite epic :) , saw a lot of desert in Mongolia
[14:49] <alesage> camped out quite a bit, it was fun
[14:50] <alesage> jfunk, btw you were right about getting a cab right away, I underestimated the NYC traffic
[14:51] <jfunk> alesage, sounds like it turned out alright
[14:51] <alesage> jfunk, yes I made it thanks :)
[15:00] <balloons> so davmor2 remember my 3g problems? those have never been resolved. If I disconnect wifi 3g flashes a couple times, but never connects
[15:00] <balloons> I've never gotten a mobile data connection on the mako, am I the only one?
[15:01] <davmor2> balloons: in progress, there is a partial fix that should mean you get a connection on startup.  Then cyphermox is working on making NM auto-reconnect when ofono updated aiui
[15:02] <davmor2> balloons: cyphermox and awe_ are the best two people to talk to about it though
[15:03] <balloons> davmor2, I just feel a little crazy as it seems like everyone else uses mobile data and I've never gotten it to work through all the builds. I feel like I'm missing something. It sounds like there are some bugs, but in general people have used it
[15:04]  * balloons turns back on wifi
[15:04] <balloons> thanks for the update davmor2
[15:04] <davmor2> balloons: are you using a standard sim card or one from some random company that needs a config file change?  failing that try adb restart network-manager and you should in theory get a connection
[15:05] <balloons> davmor2, it's a std sim from an att reseller
[15:05] <davmor2> balloons: that might be your issue,  is it one from wallmart by any chance ?
[15:07] <balloons> davmor2, ahh, heh, why yes it is
[15:08] <davmor2> balloons: bingo needs a config change,  that would need you to drop your image into RW mode with /userdata/.writable_image (then reboot)  as for the config you would need to ask around
[15:08] <balloons> davmor2, yep rw mode already on.. cool, well I feel saner, ty
[15:09] <davmor2> balloons: I think people in the USA qa team have the issue and know the config other than that you can try ogra I think there is a bug for it too but I could be wrong
[15:22] <slickymaster> balloons: I am considering taking a stab at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual-tests/+bug/1172046 but there are a couple of issues on which I have a few doubts, namely what does need to be updated in the existent testcase, besides  what's in the Bug Description?
[15:23] <balloons> slickymaster, lets have a look
[15:24] <balloons> slickymaster, afaik heh, those are my notes. My guess is go through the test, verify it works properly, and clean up anything you see (like the comment listed as an action)
[15:26] <slickymaster> balloons: now that I've finished the editing work on the 13.10 manual, I'll give it a try
[15:26] <balloons> slickymaster, this is probably the highest priority bug atm, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual-tests/+bug/1225669
[15:27] <slickymaster> balloons: but that is already assign to smartboyhw
[15:27] <elopio> good morning!
[15:28] <balloons> slickymaster, yes, I was just mentioning it is all :-)
[15:28] <slickymaster> balloons: ok
[15:31] <slickymaster> balloons: one last thing, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual-tests/+bug/1172046 is intended for the 13.04 server version, right?
[15:31] <slickymaster> or is it for the 12.04.3 LTS version?
[15:33] <balloons> slickymaster, yes always current devel
[15:33] <balloons> the old version is archived against the old results, so no worries on updating it
[15:33] <slickymaster> balloons: thanks
[15:34] <slickymaster> I'll prepare a VM to install it and afterwards start to work on the test
[15:35]  * DanChapman wonders why installing autopilot always kills vbox
[15:36] <balloons> slickymaster, wonderful, thank you!
[15:36] <balloons> DanChapman, what do you mean?
[15:37] <slickymaster> balloons: np
[15:38] <DanChapman> balloons: good afternoon :-) When installing autopilot from a live session using vbox it always kills the graphics
[15:38] <alesage> nuclearbob, suggestion from tedg concerning adding a column to your reporting view for "is a merge proposal attached to the bug"
[15:39] <balloons> wow.. that sounds really odd
[15:41] <DanChapman> balloons: yeah its been like it for a while. I try it every now and again it seems to happen around the point its unpacking vis and xlib.
[15:42] <elopio> davmor2: so, the most recent image is broken?
[15:42] <balloons> must be a vbox thing. I kind of remember that, but I don't usually use ap in live sessions anymore.. though I know why you are :-)
[15:42] <davmor2> elopio: yeap 75 should fix it once all the bits land to build the images
[15:43] <balloons> DanChapman, pitti is on the hook to merge your MP this week, so :-)
[15:43] <elopio> davmor2: and 75 will be tomorrow?
[15:44] <davmor2> elopio: asap
[15:44] <elopio> got it, thanks.
[15:45] <DanChapman> balloons, yeah he has already started the review :-) , so waiting on the rest before I make the changes
[15:52] <pitti> balloons: well, at least review; there's quite a lot to be changed, and presumably we need to move the whole thing to autopilot
[15:52] <pitti> will continue as soon as I'm off the hook for the timezone change OMGess and meeting-o-mania
[15:53] <balloons> pitti, DanChapman yes, I shouldn't misspeak on landing.. Review :-)
[16:01] <alesage> can someone instruct on how to make a touch image writeable?  in the past I've touched /userdata/.writable_image
[16:03] <balloons> alesage, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/TouchTesting#Switch_from_RO_to_RW
[16:03] <alesage> balloons, seeing that now thanks :)
[16:03] <balloons> ubuntu-qa PSA This page has handy tips -- have a look! https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/TouchTesting#Tips_and_Tricks
[16:04] <pitti> balloons: ah, thanks for pointing out; I fixed ARM retracing two days ago, I'll update that
[16:04] <pitti> and I'll add a trick how to disable the screen timeout
[16:04] <pitti> ah, which is there already
[16:05] <balloons> ty pitti :-)
[16:05] <alesage> balloons, where do you think I should put the "run a package from souce" wiki, is this linked page the right place?
[16:05] <balloons> alesage, as in run an upstream version of a package on the phone? a writeup could be handy for that
[16:05] <balloons> and yea, I'd say it's a good place
[16:05] <alesage> balloons, ok I'll put it there
[16:08] <slickymaster> balloons, DanChapman, 'til later
[16:09] <davmor2> balloons: you mean you haven't added enabling wallmart sims there yet ;)
[16:09] <balloons> davmor2, I think I will place a note about mvno's in general ;-)
[16:27] <elfy> balloons: "we just say resize drives as appropiate" agreed with that :)
[16:28] <elfy> balloons: you want me to do that?
[16:29] <balloons> elfy, go for it :-)
[16:30] <elfy> balloons: ok - I'll assign myself to it and get to it in short order
[16:30] <balloons> ty
[16:32] <balloons> davmor2, nuclearbob hehe, a new section has appeared: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/TouchTesting#Add_APN_Settings
[16:34] <davmor2> balloons: ha nice
[16:37] <elfy> balloons: if you can make some sort of final comment on bug 1193128 you can assign it to me and I'll do that at the same time as I look at the other 2
[16:40] <balloons> elfy, ahh yes, I remember that..
[16:40] <balloons> I'm partly for jackson's approach "boot up the image" and don't say how
[16:41] <elfy> personally I'm of the opinion that if a choice needs to be made like that we should assume that people can make sensible choices or we end up tying ourselves in knots for no good reason
[16:43] <balloons> elfy, so does that put you in the same camp? less is more?
[16:43] <elfy> more or less :)
[16:45] <elfy> balloons: 'Boot the image using your preferred method'
[16:45]  * balloons updated the bug
[16:46] <elfy> balloons: I'll sort that one out soon too
[16:46] <balloons> elfy, lovely thank you
[16:47]  * balloons has so many pending merges open
[16:47] <balloons> it's not funny. I want to close them!
[16:47] <elfy> :)
[16:47] <elfy> I've got a clean desk :p
[16:48] <elfy> van's a bit mucky though ...
[16:50] <pitti> elopio, om26er: do you know how to introspect the items in a QML ListView? getting the count is easy, but I don't see a property with the items in it
[16:50] <balloons> om26er, 3 mins of your time to look at this mp? https://code.launchpad.net/~carla-sella/ubuntu-docviewer-app/Emulator-integration/+merge/188149
[16:51] <balloons> I thought something was wrong with the archive at first, but it still is failing to pull dependencies today.. what gives
[16:51] <balloons> elopio, also ^^. ubuntu-ui-toolkit-autopilot is unstable state?
[16:53] <elopio> balloons: it is. Ah, I missed you on the email yesterday too.
[16:53] <elopio> I'm sorry.
[16:53] <elopio> forwarding...
[16:55] <balloons> elopio, yes I found the tabs issue on another mp that magically stopped working, heh
[16:55] <balloons> is this fallout from that? and when do you think we'll be good to go again?
[16:56] <elopio> balloons: I'm wondering what changed. But my email went with no answer and the sdk is already gone.
[16:57] <balloons> elopio, meaning the sdk changes went out, and you've not heard anything?
[16:57] <elopio> balloons: I told bzoltan to ask the developers tomorrow morning to give me a hand fixing the QML problem. So I hope when I get up my branch will just work.
[18:00] <jfunk> om26er, nuclearbob - you're both on the multimedia testing, do you know which developers to coordinate with?
[18:01] <nuclearbob> jfunk: I've worked with the music-app team already, and the browser team, but I haven't talked to anyone about video yet
[18:01] <jfunk> ping ubuntu-qa - can we get 1 volunteer to work with elopio on click packages?
[18:01] <om26er> jfunk, rsalveti is fixing the codes, mediaplayer developer is nerochiaro and jhodapp works on the backend side
[18:01] <om26er> *codecs
[18:03] <cgoldberg> jfunk, i can help elopio
[18:03] <jfunk> asac, I'd like to try having some of my team testing against trunk where we know there is zero automation coverage - are you able to point out which areas would benefit from this pinpointed testing?  I am keen to avoid manual testing where automation exists
[18:04] <jfunk> but at the same time, if we can run early tests to catch integration issues that would otherwise be missed...
[18:04] <elopio> cgoldberg: \o/
[18:04] <jfunk> fginther, ^^ in lieu of asac
[18:04] <jfunk> cgoldberg, you're a good man
[18:04] <cgoldberg> i try
[18:05] <elopio> cgoldberg: what would be awesome is if you could help checking the test coverage of the click index and developer portal.
[18:05] <jfunk> cgoldberg, you have a device?
[18:05] <cgoldberg> jfunk, just a nexus 7
[18:06] <jfunk> elopio, will that be helpful?
[18:06] <cgoldberg> so no phone calls or anything
[18:06] <jfunk> I think it might suffice for click testing
[18:07] <fginther> jfunk, a little context please, are you referring to just click packages or something more broad?
[18:07] <cgoldberg> elopio, how are you checking coverage.. manually, or running something like coverage.py?
[18:08] <elopio> cgoldberg: I'm currently just reading the code on the client side, to see if they have unit tests, component tests, api tests and GUI tests.
[18:08] <elopio> so I'm not interested in a number. Just the levels of testing we are missing.
[18:09] <cgoldberg> elopio, where can I start? got a link to source/tests?.. I'll start looking too
[18:09] <elopio> cgoldberg: I'm going to share a document with you of the things that the client side consumes.
[18:10] <elopio> that will be enough testing for today, I think, and will give you an idea of what the server provides.
[18:12] <jfunk> fginther, broad
[18:12] <elopio> cgoldberg: sounds good?
[18:12] <cgoldberg> elopio, yup
[18:14] <fginther> jfunk, to my knowledge there is no or very little automated test coverage for indicators, settings, application switching and app install/remove
[18:15] <fginther> jfunk, other good people to talk to are bfiller and Saviq
[18:16] <cgoldberg> elopio, which branch are you looking at?   lp:clickmanager-plugin or lp:click-update-manager ?
[18:16] <elopio> cgoldberg: both.
[18:16] <cgoldberg> elopio, pick one for me so we don't duplicate :)
[18:17] <elopio> cgoldberg: ok, go with the update-manager.
[18:17] <cgoldberg> k
[18:48] <cgoldberg> elopio, i have a good idea of coverage for click-update-manager.  how should I measure or summarize?
[18:49] <cgoldberg> also, I found an unused import in the autopilot test (my brain runs pylint automatically as I read code).. think I should MP a change, or not bother?
[18:53] <elopio> cgoldberg: yes, please fix it.
[18:53] <elopio> it would be great if we can add pep8 and pyflakes to the MPs.
[18:53] <cgoldberg> elopio, ok no prob
[18:53] <elopio> cgoldberg: for now, maybe you just can make some notes of what you found about coverage on that document.
[18:55] <cgoldberg> ok .. good enough.  I'll write notes and MP a fix
[18:55] <elopio> cgoldberg: I'm thinking of an awesome tool that's like python-mock for servers.
[18:55] <cgoldberg> elopio, yea?  what would it do?
[18:55] <elopio> you give it an reply to make and it will listen on a socket and send back that to whoever contacts it.
[18:56] <letozaf> balloons, Hi
[18:56] <balloons> letozaf, hello
[18:56] <cgoldberg> elopio, i built something exactly like that in my last job
[18:56] <elopio> cgoldberg: was it useful?
[18:56] <letozaf> balloons, I just sent you a mail :P
[18:56] <letozaf> balloons, about someone interested in autopilot testing
[18:56] <balloons> letozaf, I saw that thank you
[18:57] <cgoldberg> elopio, yeah totally... it simulated all of our external services and sent back canned responses.  we used it on everything
[18:57] <letozaf> balloons, hope this guy knows english
[18:58] <cgoldberg> elopio, it was in C#, would be much easier in python :)
[18:58] <elopio> cgoldberg: it could be as cool as mock, recording the calls, and replying only when a specific api method is accesed.
[18:59] <cgoldberg> elopio, yea.. i used regexes for routing requests to static replys
[18:59] <balloons> letozaf, I'm sure he does :-)
[18:59] <elopio> cgoldberg: maybe it's already done https://pypi.python.org/pypi/mock-server/0.3.0
[19:02] <cgoldberg> elopio, that looks pretty decent
[19:02] <elopio> I don't like it that you have to write the replies on files. But I think it will have many of the basic things already done.
[19:02] <elopio> I now have a toy for the weekend :)
[19:03] <cgoldberg> elopio, mine also worked for MQSeries servers.. so distributed queuing and also http servers.. this one is less ambitious, but simpler
[19:03] <cgoldberg> elopio, my design read from files also.. it's not a bad idea :)
[19:04] <elopio> cgoldberg: but I would like to prepare the response on the fly, on the set up of the test.
[19:05] <cgoldberg> elopio, ah.. nice
[19:06] <cgoldberg> elopio, that code is Apache licensed... if you wanna do a big change that they probably won't merge, just fork it and start a new project :)  I'll help you work on it.. i think it's a really good idea
[19:06] <letozaf> balloons, can I help with something this evening, or are you guys busy fixing things on  tests ?
[19:07] <balloons> letozaf, sure thing. Heh, there's a lot of in-progress stuff I'm wanting to land
[19:07] <cgoldberg> elopio, it uses tornado :P
[19:08] <balloons> letozaf, that said, try grabbing the updated version of rss reader. I believe the tests are broken (again), and I'm not sure why. There are some sdk bugs they were trying to work around
[19:08] <elopio> cgoldberg: that's great. I think we can use the tests for the click update manager to give it a try.
[19:08] <cgoldberg> cool :)
[19:08] <letozaf> balloons, ok
[19:08] <elopio> what should the server reply to cause an update? prepare the mock, and run the test.
[19:09] <balloons> letozaf, make sense? See what happens when you try and run them, heh. Also, it's likely some of the tests could be expanded as well
[19:10] <elopio> I'm going to have lunch with the family, and then to buy the sata cable.
[19:10] <elopio> I'll be back in a couple of hours.
[19:10] <cgoldberg> elopio, so you'd hit it with an update request.. that gives it a filter and a payload.  it stores it and responds when another request comes in matching the filter?
[19:10] <cgoldberg> elopio, ttyl about it
[19:11] <letozaf> balloons, yes I will branch it now and take a look
[19:13] <letozaf> balloons, ok so the next button is back again :P
[19:13] <letozaf> balloons, I will fix what's broken and see what new tests there are to write or implement
[19:13] <balloons> :-)
[19:13] <balloons> ty!
[19:13] <letozaf> balloons, yw
[19:20] <balloons> letozaf, I responded to Andrea
[19:21] <letozaf> balloons, ok fine hope he will help
[19:21] <letozaf> balloons, but do you know Italian :p
[19:22] <balloons> letozaf, lol, no I wrote in English :-p
[19:22] <letozaf> balloons, I know that, but did you understand his email ?
[19:22] <letozaf> balloons, maybe you used google translator
[19:23] <balloons> letozaf, I saw another note from him and responded to that one. I'm not sure what he wrote to you, as indeed it's in Italian. Google translate gives you a basic gist I suppose, but I didn't translate it
[19:23] <balloons> so please feel free to followup :-)
[19:24] <balloons> technical work in a non-native language can be tough, so I'm sure you'll be able to help him out :-)
[19:25] <letozaf> balloons, ok, well he just asked how to get involved in autopilot testing and how to start
[19:26] <letozaf> balloons, he has been using python for two years
[19:26] <letozaf> balloons, and he's interested in testing
[19:27] <balloons> letozaf, ahh wonderful. He probably knows more python than me already :-)
[19:27] <letozaf> balloons, and me too :p
[19:29] <letozaf> balloons, I mean you know python more than me too
[19:51] <letozaf> balloons, I get an error in open_toolbar()  that's in the emulator :  http://paste.ubuntu.com/6181020/
[19:52] <balloons> letozaf, yes I too got a similar error
[19:52] <letozaf> balloons, the emulator is in the SDK right ? can I do something or do I have to wait ?
[19:53] <balloons> letozaf, run with -vv
[19:53] <letozaf> balloons, I had already run with -vv
[19:53] <balloons> ahh, does it give more output? like say generating drag operations/
[19:53] <letozaf> balloons, what I pasted was the output from -vv
[19:53] <balloons> ohh, :-(
[19:53] <letozaf> balloons, yes
[19:53] <letozaf> balloons, wait
[19:54] <balloons> letozaf, you can see the source for the functions in the docs: http://developer.ubuntu.com/api/devel/ubuntu-13.04/autopilot/_modules/ubuntuuitoolkit/emulators.html#MainView.open_toolbar
[19:54] <letozaf> balloons, well not drag operations but pressing and moving mouse
[19:55] <letozaf> balloons, ok I can try to look at that
[19:55] <balloons> so if there is a bug in the sdk, try proving it by opening the toolbar (or attempting to do so) yourself
[19:55] <balloons> you can just edit the python library code to play with it at first
[19:56] <balloons> /usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/ubuntuuitoolkit/emulators.py
[19:56] <letozaf> balloons, ah! ok cool!
[19:57] <balloons> so say for instance, it's not opening because it doesn't like those values, maybe try changing the starting point
[19:57] <balloons> etc.. I'm not sure what the issue is
[19:58] <balloons> so maybe change  start_y = y + self.height - 1 in     def _drag_to_open_toolbar(self):
[19:58] <balloons> and/or         stop_y = y + self.height * 0.95
[19:59] <letozaf> balloons, ok I will try
[20:15] <veebers> thomi: the unity failures, which image is that with? the click image?
[20:31] <letozaf> balloons, it's a timing issue
[20:31] <balloons> letozaf, ohh nice
[20:31] <balloons> did you fix it?
[20:31] <letozaf> balloons, I put in a sleep before opening the toolbar and now it
[20:31] <letozaf> works
[20:32] <letozaf> balloons, putting a sleep that's not the right way
[20:32] <balloons> hmm, so can we check something else besides that?
[20:32] <letozaf> balloons, I was thinking to put some asserts
[20:32] <balloons> right.. sounds like a plan
[20:32] <balloons> excellent work in finding it :-)
[20:33] <letozaf> balloons, thanks :p
[20:36] <letozaf> balloons, yes it works with an assert put before opening the toolbar
[20:39] <balloons> awesome, so the whole suite passes? feel free to merge propose that :-)
[20:40] <veebers> thomi: which commmand are you using to flash your phone?
[20:42] <letozaf> balloons, I also fixed the remove feed
[20:42] <letozaf> balloons, I will merge propose all
[20:43] <balloons> sweet!
[20:44] <knome> hallo balloons
[20:47] <balloons> hallo knome
[20:47] <knome> what's up?
[20:52] <balloons> lost in a sea of merges, how about yourself?
[20:52] <knome> just checked your website, and noticed you've broken it :P
[21:01] <cgoldberg> elopio, ping me when you're back
[21:02] <balloons> knome, ohh
[21:26] <elopio> cgoldberg: I'm back.
[21:26] <cgoldberg> elopio, I was checking tests, and found something weird.. look at this line:  http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~coreygoldberg/click-update-manager/pep8-and-import-fixes/view/head:/tests/autopilot/UpdateManager/__init__.py#L45
[21:27] <cgoldberg> where does MainWindow come from?  is it missing an import or something?  that wont work
[21:28] <elopio> cgoldberg: that looks wrong.
[21:29] <cgoldberg> yea definitely.. makes me wonder if this has ever been run :)
[21:29] <elopio> I haven't tried those tests yet, but I suppose it will fail.
[21:30] <cgoldberg> I pep8'ed the tests and removed some unused imports.. should I just MP that and file this as a bug against the tests?
[21:31] <cgoldberg> elopio, there's only 3 autopilot tests in there.. and 1 of them makes a call to the code in question
[21:33] <elopio> cgoldberg: well, that autopilot code is following the ugly way without emulators. It needs a lot of updating.
[21:34] <balloons> elopio, can you link the bugs you filed today on the sdk and autopilot and emulator issues
[21:35] <balloons> things be broke :-(
[21:39] <elopio> balloons: one second.
[21:39] <elopio> balloons: send me a link to the failed logs, to see if its the same thing I was looking at yesterday.
[21:39] <elopio> bug #1233393
[21:39] <ubot5`> bug 1233393 in Ubuntu UI Toolkit "We shouldn't rely on the order of the buttons on the tab bar" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1233393
[21:40] <elopio> bug #1233402
[21:40] <ubot5`> bug 1233402 in Ubuntu UI Toolkit "The Tab needs a tabIndex property" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1233402
[21:40] <elopio> bug #1233385
[21:40] <ubot5`> bug 1233385 in Autopilot "Not possible to minimize an application" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1233385
[21:40] <elopio> bug #1233384
[21:40] <ubot5`> bug 1233384 in Autopilot "It's not possible to get the Application object of the launched app." [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1233384
[21:40] <elopio> bug #1233364
[21:40] <ubot5`> bug 1233364 in Ubuntu UI Toolkit "Before starting the autopilot tests, we check for a condition that's always true" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1233364
[21:40] <elopio> balloons: just 5 bugs to be awesome again ;)
[21:41] <balloons> elopio, wonderful thank you..
[21:41] <balloons> elopio, you don't want to look at the failures anymore than I
[21:41] <balloons> the evil of today has been enough
[21:41] <balloons> it's time to quit
[21:42] <elopio> balloons: I can stand a couple more of failures today.
[21:42] <elopio> if you have a trace at hand, I would like to see if it's something not addressed on these bugs.
[21:43] <balloons> elopio, most everything I'm seeing is showing in merges
[21:44] <balloons> elopio, this is a wild one for instance: https://code.launchpad.net/~carla-sella/ubuntu-docviewer-app/Emulator-integration/+merge/188149
[22:03] <elopio> looking.
[22:06] <knome> pitti, could you look at bug 1231978?
[22:06] <ubot5`> bug 1231978 in gvfs (Ubuntu) "Thunar 1.6.3 locks when browsing Trash with Xubuntu 13.10 Beta 2 and following dailies" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1231978