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Myrttigood morning04:15
MartijnVdS\o04:22
Myrttisomeone might remember my fixation with Yorkshire tea... I'm running low and decided to look up my options. Taking into account that I've lost my bus card, it would cost me 5€ on busfares to get into town to get some from the big department store I know sells it...04:58
MyrttiI thought I might look into buying some from a shop that sells British stuff.04:58
Myrttifirst I thought "ok" maybe 11€ isn't that bad for a packet of tea that would cost 2.50GBP in Tesco04:58
Myrtti... but they also charge for mailing it, making the grand total for the tea 19.50€.04:59
Myrttiso I guess taking the bus to get some tea isn't such a bad idea after all.04:59
Myrttialso, happy mailman day04:59
diddledanMyrtti: mailman as in the software mailing list manager or mailman as in the bloke that delivers my shiny toys?05:02
Myrttididdledan: the software mailing list manager that celebrates its day every first day of the month05:14
diddledanyeah, I've since spotted the mails:-p05:14
Myrttibecause holy list membership reminders, Batman!05:14
diddledanthey're starting to trickle in05:15
MooDoomorning all07:03
diddledanallo07:04
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bigcalmGood morning peeps :)08:25
diddledan,prmom08:28
diddledanerm08:28
diddledanmornin08:28
diddledanfingers were offset to the right by one key08:29
bigcalmAh, an off by one error08:30
diddledan:-)08:30
diddledanonly one of the two actors was affected by off-by-one however meaning the R came out correctly08:30
diddledanlol - the sultry seductress installer ends with "reticulating splines"08:37
diddledanis that the right codename? or should it be spicy salami?08:37
diddledanor...08:37
bigcalmWhat the heck are you talking about? :)08:38
diddledanthe beta of ubuntu 13.1008:38
bigcalmAh. Your codename for it didn't make much sense to me, does now08:39
bigcalmToday, I shall be mostly eating co-codamol</fastshow>08:41
diddledanmmm, tasty08:41
bigcalmWoo, new Museum of Curiosity waiting for me to listen to08:43
bigcalmDoes anybody ever have a pet project that they really want to work on but normal work just gets in the way during work hours? I should take time off...08:56
popeyheh08:58
popeyyes!08:58
brobostigongood morning everyone.09:10
bigcalmMorning09:12
brobostigonmorning bigcalm09:12
diddledanbigcalm: pet projects - I would like to redesign / rebuild my own website and get some more recent content on it  but I just don't seem to be able to get time off from paying work to do it09:21
MooDoodiddledan: use wordpress half the work is then done for you ;)09:27
brobostigonwordpress is pretty slick.09:28
brobostigonand unlike drupal, wordpress can upgrade itself.09:29
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diplomorning all, I have a IcyBox external hdd caddy and have a few hdd's I'd like to test for errors etc. Best way to go about that? Can hdparm do anything like that? A bit like a memtest test I guess I'm after09:38
diddledanyou'd want it to be able to support SMART if it can as that's the most appropriate way to initiate tests09:42
diddledanotherwise I donno09:42
JamesTaitGood morning all; happy Vegetarian Day! :-D09:42
diddledanbah09:43
bigcalmJamesTait: is today the day that we eat a vegetarian?09:47
jussibigcalm: cannibal day again? :D09:52
JamesTaitbigcalm, I think that might be the opposite of what was intended, but whatever works, I guess. ;)09:53
bigcalmjussi: eat a rabbit, they are veggies ;)09:54
gordonjcpI guess pigs are about the only omnivorous thing we eat09:54
gordonjcpmaybe the Abrahamic faiths have a point, there09:54
jussigordonjcp: don't you try take my bacon away!! (and also, what about cows?)10:00
jussi(cows chew the cud, isnt that eating meat? :P :P )10:00
brobostigonbacon rocks10:01
popeyRocks made from bacon!? Where!?10:01
brobostigonhaha10:02
* TheOpenSourcerer files a trademark for Bacon Rocks10:02
* popey had quickie scrambled eggs and mushrooms for brekkie10:03
TheOpenSourcererThen ponders if they should be chewy or hard10:03
* TheOpenSourcerer had no breakfast - never does normally.10:04
MooDooTheOpenSourcerer: crispy bacon10:04
TheOpenSourcererAm now waiting impatiently for the sandwich to van to announce its presence.10:04
* brobostigon is having lunch with his gf, :)10:05
TheOpenSourcererChocmosas (NOM NOM) http://www.greenandblacks.co.uk/recipes/Chocomosas?r=4526510:05
Myrttihmmm.10:08
MyrttiGoogle Music and Google Music All Access opened today in Finland. I have to consider would canceling my Spotify subscription and moving to GMAA be a good idea. But I've been doing wedding playlist on Spotify and was planning to make it collaborative at some point...10:09
MooDoobacon + star wars = https://static.squarespace.com/static/51b3dc8ee4b051b96ceb10de/51ce6099e4b0d911b4489b79/51ce6196e4b0d911b44993bc/1271115234477/1000w/Star_Wars_Bacon_AT-AT-3-thumb-548x606-37072.jpg10:09
Myrttithis leaves me wondering10:09
bigcalmMyrtti: keep spotify until you're wed?10:11
Myrttibigcalm: why pay for two subscriptions...10:11
Myrttibesides I just remembered my google account thinks I'm british already10:11
bigcalmMyrtti: spend time moving the play lists over - do you have colab playlists on google music?10:11
Myrttiso the lower subscription rate for people signing up on the first month is already gone for me10:11
Myrttibigcalm: nope, not that I know of10:12
bigcalmThen isn't that a reason to keep spotify?10:12
Myrttiyeah I suppose, but it would've been 2€ cheaper10:12
brobostigoncheapo wetherspoons lunch, but it will do the job.10:12
Myrttibut since the deal is gone, it's the same price, so that's moot anyway10:12
popeyTheOpenSourcerer: yeah, I tend to now otherwise working at home I'll just sneak into the kitchen and eat10:13
bigcalmI <3 spotify for mobile usage mostly - I have my account running on my android tv stick and so get tunes in the sitting room hi-fi10:13
popey\o/10:13
Myrttioh yes. I forgot the bonus, of using Spotify on the AV Receiver and whatnots10:13
popeyi have shared my spotify login with wifey and sophie10:13
popeythey have their own playlists on my account10:13
popeywe pretty much never use it at the same time10:13
Myrttiyeah, I'm sharing mine with my sister on her TV STB10:13
davmor2Morning all10:21
popeyjust10:24
JamesTaitdavmor2, "It was when we got up." ;)10:25
bigcalmHeh10:25
* JamesTait used to hear that a lot.10:25
bigcalmMorning davmor210:25
bigcalmdavmor2: not going to the LUG tomorrow night?10:26
davmor2I've been up for hours I've only just managed to get rid of my Mom who paid a surprise visit10:26
JamesTaitAw, bless!10:26
davmor2bigcalm: no idea currently way too much on, but I can only do so much in a day so we'll see, hence not putting my name down yet10:27
bigcalmdavmor2: fair enough10:27
davmor2JamesTait: You don't know her or you wouldn't say that :D10:27
JamesTaitdavmor2, I did wonder about the "get rid of her" bit. ;)10:27
bigcalmdavmor2: have you considered loud and continuous farting?10:28
gordonjcpjussi: no, it's semidigested grass ;-)10:28
davmor2bigcalm: She'd thing that was a challenge :)10:28
JamesTaitHah! :-D10:28
jussigordonjcp: aah crud, I thought it was cow cheek :P10:29
gordonjcpjussi: no, they have four stomachs where they let chewed up grass break down a bit before eating it some more10:29
jussihehe10:30
gordonjcpjussi: sheep and goats are ruminants too10:30
gordonjcpwe're not which is why we can't eat grass10:30
gordonjcpwell, we can, we just can't get any nutrition from it10:30
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jussiI knew it!!! all those vegetarians telling me to eat salad!!!10:31
bigcalmIndeed, having a shrivelled up appendix means that we get bugger all from lettuce10:33
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gordonjcphrmph10:44
gordonjcpI wish Google would stop trying to get me to work for them10:44
bigcalm</humble_brag>10:45
gordonjcpabout once a month I get mailed by their recruiters10:45
mungbeanwhy don't you email back10:45
gordonjcpI did10:45
mungbeansay "please contact me in 1 yr"10:45
MooDoogordonjcp: go work for them, they can't be that bad to work for, you might get more money10:45
gordonjcpI emailed back with varying degrees of politeness saying please contact me when you've got something suitable10:45
brobostigoni would accept, it is probably well payed enough.10:45
gordonjcpMooDoo: they only have jobs in London10:45
MooDoogordonjcp: ah10:46
gordonjcpit's at the wrong end of a different country10:46
MyrttiI've been emailed a few times and once I even tried10:46
gordonjcpand their recruitment guy that emails me cannot seem to grasp that I just don't want to move to London10:46
Myrttiit always ends in tears anyway10:46
gordonjcp"But we'd be paying London rates!"10:47
gordonjcpyeah10:47
gordonjcpbut I'd be in *London*10:47
mungbeanvictoria?10:50
mungbeanor elsewhere in london10:50
mungbeannot that i can handle anything more than a 9-5 atm10:51
Monotokoafternoon11:06
mungbeanhow do i invite to a chan? /invite ?11:17
diddledanmungbean: in the channel you want to invite someone to, run /invite theirNick11:21
mungbeancheers diddledan11:21
bigcalmOh my, I think our village hall is on fire11:53
MooDooouch11:53
davmor2bigcalm: ouch11:53
Myrttioof.11:54
bigcalmFire engine has just raced past11:54
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mungbean2nd day of cold turkey on reddit11:57
davmor2bigcalm: Good sign that something is on fire11:59
TheOpenSourcererNext week is "National Curry Week" :-D12:01
bigcalmFor the whole week?12:05
bigcalmYay12:05
bigcalmWill try and get Hayley to a balti at some point12:05
popey\o/12:06
mungbeani wonder how the high speed internet on trains will work12:14
bigcalmYou use the internet while the train moves at high speed12:15
mungbeantrain lines are perfect for laying fibre12:15
bigcalmSo, not at all12:15
mungbeanhow does the internet get into the train12:15
bigcalmDoes it have a ticket?12:15
mungbeanmultiple wifi APs along the route every 100 yds ?12:15
davmor2mungbean: it's a mobile connection on the train, I'm assuming they'll just upgrade it from 3g to 4g12:16
mungbeanthey are talking 50mb12:16
mungbeanhttp://metro.co.uk/2013/09/30/web-connections-that-go-like-a-train-broadband-on-railways-to-eclipse-domestic-speeds-4129211/12:16
davmor2http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/2297785/uk-government-to-deliver-50mbps-4g-broadband-to-rail-passengers12:17
mungbeani have a train line that runs along the back of my garden12:18
mungbeanwonder if i can profit from that12:18
mungbeanhttp://metro.co.uk/2013/09/30/50-year-old-father-of-three-ordered-to-show-id-to-buy-whisky-4128887/12:20
mungbeanhe looks like a student12:20
davmor2mungbean: but he's black.  What I found happens with Black people in general is, as kids they always look older till they look like they are in their early 20's, eventually they then go grey and wrinkly but the eventually kicks in around 70 :)12:24
popeymeh12:24
popeyI got ID'd in the USA recently12:24
popeyDespite me being older than everyone there, including the guy asking for ID12:24
mungbeanthats teh rules in USA though innit?12:25
davmor2popey: they were just checking if you were elvis12:25
mungbeanthey just ask out of habit, no one gets offended12:25
popeyIt's not about being offended12:25
popeyI had no id with me12:25
popeyso couldn't go in12:25
mungbeanlol12:25
directhexwhen i worked at waitrose, as a 16 year old, i was required to ID everyone, regardless of age or zimmer frame12:25
AzelphurI've only ever been ID'd once in my entire life xD12:25
* Myrtti looks at the picture12:25
Myrttimmm 1712:26
Azelphurand amusingly...this was trying to buy cutlery at Argos12:26
AzelphurI don't always stab people, but when I do I use value range forks.12:26
mungbeanweapons in argos you mean12:26
Azelphurluckily I had a friend with me who had a passport12:27
AzelphurI guess at <21 you're supposed to eat like a monkey :P12:27
ali1234i've got an idea12:27
* davmor2 has never been ID'd12:27
ali1234let's make everyone give ID when buying anything at all12:27
mungbeandon't tell the govt12:28
mungbeanthey probably will12:28
Azelphurlol12:28
mungbeanmaplins, machine mart, dixons etc are keen to ask for a home address when buying stuff12:28
davmor2mungbean: they already do what do you think the chip in the debit and credit cards is all about ;)12:28
mungbeanand i am keen to decline12:29
popeythats for spam12:29
mungbeannaively i complied once because my wife was in teh shop and i wanted to be polite12:30
mungbeani said whats this for? "warranty sir"12:30
mungbeanoh ok.12:30
mungbeangot spammed relentlessly since12:30
mungbeanfool12:30
ali1234they have to take your address if you buy a TV12:31
mungbeanso they say12:31
bigcalmTo check the address has a licence12:31
mungbeanas george bush said..fool me once...12:31
mungbeanbigcalm: but i'm buying as a gift for a friend12:31
bigcalmThey don't know that12:31
bigcalmAnd if you said it, you could be lying12:32
mungbeanand also, my sisters house in harlow wasn't on their system12:32
mungbeanso?12:32
mungbeanwhat if i don't have a licence, and am buying for a friend.12:32
bigcalmSo they still have to ask12:32
mungbeanit's not controlled goods12:32
* bigcalm does a cheeky bit of JavaScript while on lunch12:33
popey\o/12:33
diddledansneaky javascript? that sounds naughty12:33
popeyhttps://www.fsf.org/news/fsf-seeks-full-time-senior-gnu-linux-sysadmin12:34
popey"(S)he will be familiar with the free software community and how it works, and will be more interested in making a substantial contribution to software freedom and having employment consistent with ethical ideals than obtaining the highest salary"12:34
popeyi.e. "We pay crap money"12:34
mungbeanhow crap12:34
mungbean The salary is fixed at $60,819.20 and is non-negotiable12:35
mungbeannot bad12:35
mungbeanequivalent to a uni sysadmin role12:35
diddledanmungbean: the law states that televisions and other receiving devices cannot be sold unless the purchaser has filled and signed a license document12:36
diddledanhence, your address12:37
MyrttiI refrain from commenting what the negatives of the job are12:37
popeyhaha12:37
diddledanthat the gnu/fsf job posting?12:38
Myrttiyeah.12:38
diddledanI wouldn't qualify - I use proprietary stuff :-0p12:38
MyrttiI wouldn't qualify, I use word Linux in my language12:38
Myrtti"eeep, game over"12:38
diddledanyeah, and I don't call it gnu/linux either12:38
popeyque12:40
diddledanlol @ maplin email I just received - they have a "Pro Hunter - Miniature RF Bug Sweeper"12:40
popeyare schools on strike today?12:40
diddledanpopey: not that I'm aware12:41
ali1234yes they are12:41
ali1234some of them12:41
mungbeansome12:41
ali1234i heard it on the local radio last night12:41
diddledanbut then I'm never aware of the schools anymore12:41
mungbeanwhy are 2 eastenders stories in teh top 10 on the bbc :(12:42
diddledanbecause they're trying new marketing avenues12:43
mungbeani think you are right12:43
mungbeani forgot it existed12:44
mungbeannow they are reminding me12:44
diddledanaparently someone is going to get domestically violent soon ... joy12:44
mungbeannow i feel depressed12:44
popeyphew, local school isnt12:47
MooDoopopey: our schools teachers are on strike12:48
popeybummer12:48
MooDooyeah12:48
popeythe benefit of independent schools \o/12:48
MooDooobviously x weeks in the summer and christmas isn't good enough for them, they need inset and strike days as well12:49
mungbeaninset is worse than teaching i'm sure12:49
mungbeanespecially the bit where they dress up as six legged creatures12:50
diddledanmy sister is on maternity leave so she isn't caught up in whether to strike or not12:50
MooDooI'm sure, but when they have 6 weeks school hol, then announce the first day back is inset, it annoys me12:50
mungbeanless disruptive innit12:50
popeymakes sense12:50
popeyfirst day back, get everyone up to speed12:50
MooDoodo it in the bloomin hols so it doesn't disrupt parents12:51
popeythey have, effectively12:51
popeyon the last day12:51
MooDooyeah I get what you're saying12:51
MooDoostill annoys me12:51
* mungbean thinks you are just in grumpy mood :D12:52
popeyit's just as bad for people who work in schools12:52
popeythey have to find childcare for their kids while they go into school for inset days12:52
mungbeanstill wiped out after being ill all last week12:53
mungbeanneed a nap somewhere12:53
mungbeanstraw poll, if you were deploying a virtualisation solution now, what would you go for?12:55
MooDoomungbean: vmware12:56
popeydepends12:56
mungbeanmostly linux server VMs12:56
mungbeanpossible scope for openstack/cloudstack type dep[loyments too12:57
diddledanopensource: if you're happy running a roll-your-own then libvirt+kvm+virsh/virt-manager; if you want a packaged solution xcp. proprietary: there's not a lot to choose between citrix and vmware here12:59
mungbeani've got strong background in vmware12:59
diddledanI would say go with what you know then12:59
mungbeanhowever, OSS product might be way to go12:59
mungbeanits a team thing12:59
diddledanaah13:00
diddledanthat changes things a bit13:00
diddledanyou need the other members to be happy with the choice - politics :-p13:00
mungbeaneveryone is sensible and OSS users13:00
mungbeanhopefully not much politics13:00
diddledanthe advantage that the libvirt-based solution has is that it is end-to-end manageable through an oss workstation - both vmware and citrix (and even oss xcp from the xen guys) require closed-source management utils that only work on windows workstations13:02
mungbeanthats true too13:02
mungbeanvmware is still ££ too13:02
diddledanyeah13:02
diddledanvmware gets very expensive very quickly13:02
MooDooesxi is fine use that ;) lol13:03
mungbeannah13:03
directhexganeti.13:03
diddledanwhat about playing with the completely unknown proxmox?13:04
mungbeanopenstack is too immature13:04
mungbeanunknown stuff is a nope13:04
diddledanhttp://pve.proxmox.com/wiki/Main_Page13:05
MyrttiI'm having a slow day but didn't there use to be ready made Debian and/or Ubuntu KVM/Qemu disk images at one point somewhere in the tinternet?13:14
Myrttihm, I think this might work13:17
diddledanMyrtti: guest or host?13:24
Myrttiguest13:24
diddledanthere was once upon a time the jeos ubuntu release13:24
MyrttiI'm reading this one http://agiliq.com/blog/2012/07/using-ubuntu-cloud-images-in-kvm/13:24
diddledanor just enough operating system13:24
diddledanafaik it never made it past 10.04 though13:24
mungbeananyone used cloudstack?13:26
* popey wanders off to his codeclub13:29
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ali1234anyone else noticed that the forward mouse button doesn't work any more?14:44
bigcalmForward mouse button?14:45
bigcalmOh, in a browser14:45
bigcalmWorks for me in 13.04 with everything up to date14:45
ali1234yeah or file manager14:45
ali1234and yeah i'm on 13.1014:45
ali1234with evtest it sends no events at all14:46
ali1234back still works fine, sends button 414:46
bigcalmGot another mouse that you can test with?14:47
ali1234no14:50
ali1234i could test the mouse on another computer though14:50
diddledanthat won't rule out the mouse being the problem14:52
ali1234yes it would?14:52
diddledanif it doesn't work in t'other pc how do you determine it's the fault of the mouse over the fault of the software or vice versa?14:53
diddledanall you'd know is the mouse don't work in two places14:53
ali1234well if i tried another mouse and it didn't work then it could be two broken mice14:53
diddledanthat's less likely14:54
ali1234the thing is that these scenarios are highly unlikely14:54
diddledanideally you'd test two mice in two pcs14:54
diddledanif all four scenarios don't work then it's likely to be software14:55
ali1234it's the mouse :/14:55
ali1234if i press the button rrreeeeeeally hard it works14:55
diddledanthat's a very male thing to do - if it doesn't work push it harder14:55
ali1234ok now i need to get a new microswitch14:55
diddledanmany is the time that a husband gets looked at by his missus for standing two inches from the telly pushing the remote button as hard as he can14:56
mgdmI find it's usually the other way around14:56
ali1234nah when the remote doesn't work you have to take the batteries out and switch them over14:57
diddledanwell either way is funny :-p14:57
ali1234after blowing on them14:57
diddledano_O14:57
bigcalmThat reminds me that I need to buy a new fibreglass pen, thanks :)15:08
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mungbeanshhh17:24
davmor2bigcalm: fibreglass pen wouldn't that be a bit rough on the skin19:03
ali1234davmor2: that's the idea, yes19:16
ali1234it's a propelling pencil with a fibreglass tip for cleaning PCB pads and so on19:17
ali1234what was the name of that game where you control 9 characters at the same time?19:22
ali1234it was something like 9rogue19:22
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bigcalmdavmor2_: a fibreglass pen is useful to clean the battery contacts in a remote control when said batteries have leaked and corroded19:40
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bigcalmQuiet night19:51
ali1234i found it. it was ro919:51
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angryziber#darktable21:06
diddledanlightchair21:09
diddledandimstool21:10
Daraelinvisibledesk21:10
diddledanbrightbookcase21:11
Daraelbrilliantsofa21:11
Daraelshadylamp21:11
diddledanlol21:11
Daraelluminescentbed21:11
Darael...I'm running out of furniture in here to concatenate with lighting-descriptors, I confess.21:12
diddledanme too21:12
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Azelphurnever set up a mail server before, does anyone have any particular recommendations?22:32
AzelphurMy VPS seems to have shipped with exim4 installed, will that do the job well?22:32
bigcalmThat'll send SMTP22:32

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