[08:42] <slickymaster> morning all o/
[08:42] <ochosi> morning
[08:42] <brainwash> hi
[08:44] <brainwash> ochosi: adding pitti to the affected user list didn't quite help (yet) =S
[08:45] <ochosi> i'd try to get in touch with seb128
[08:45] <ochosi> and point him to the bugreport directly, ask him whether he has a clue what's up with that
[08:45] <brainwash> did you see his reply in #ubuntu-devel?
[08:45] <ochosi> g2g, bbl
[08:45] <ochosi> nope
[08:45] <brainwash> I did that
[08:45] <brainwash> he told me to report it upstream
[08:45] <ochosi> hmpf
[08:46] <brainwash> I'll test the 3 important commits one by one then
[08:46] <brainwash> cya
[08:46] <ochosi> cool, thanks!
[08:46] <ochosi> ttyl
[11:00] <brainwash> ochosi: I gave up messing with gvfs and simply added a comment to the gnome bug report which is the cause of the gvfs "bug fix" release 1.18.1
[11:00] <brainwash> https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=708744
[11:45] <brainwash> ochosi: I'm surprised that a new upstart release (containing the fix to reduce logout time) has not been pushed into proposed yet
[13:13] <ochosi> brainwash: yeah, these things sometimes take time. it's even possible that it'll be pushed after the release, since it's bugfix
[13:50] <brainwash> ochosi: I'll do some research about the development cycle and package freezing and so on :)
[21:50] <brainwash> ochosi: bug 1232119
[21:52] <ochosi> i assume that's "good news evryone!" ?
[21:53] <knome> allö ochosi, brainwash 
[21:53] <brainwash> knome: hey
[21:53] <ochosi> ahoi
[21:54] <brainwash> ochosi: hopefully he won't forget about releasing an updated version upstart :)
[21:54] <ochosi> :)
[21:56] <brainwash> nay idea, why Xfce won't react to keyboard shortcuts? it's like 50/50 on every login that they will work or simply won't
[21:56] <brainwash> and appfinder is really slow now on my test machine
[21:57] <brainwash> xfsettingsd is running
[21:58] <ochosi> i'm seeing a similar issue
[21:59] <brainwash> (the time needed for appfinder to actually popup)
[21:59] <ochosi> kb-shortcuts at session-start is +10secs or so
[21:59] <brainwash> it's the same old dbus mess
[21:59] <ochosi> after those initial 10secs, the kb-shortcuts seem fine
[21:59] <ochosi> think i've seen this problem in prior releases
[22:00] <brainwash> yea, not quite sure if my keyboard shortcuts actually recover fully
[22:00] <knome> i sometimes have a bug that the shortcuts do not work when i've closed all applications *after* working
[22:00] <knome> opening a terminal with a panel launcher and closing that immediately make the shortcuts work again
[22:01] <ochosi> well, launching apps any other way works in normal speed for e
[22:01] <ochosi> me
[22:01] <ochosi> so it seems xfsettingsd related
[22:01] <brainwash> yes
[22:01] <brainwash> want to file a bug report? :)
[22:01] <knome> i don't, but i'm more than happy to confirm and help triage and get it publicity.
[22:02] <ochosi> know what we could do? keep it a secret instead and maybe no-one will notice ;)
[22:03] <knome> that *is* an option
[22:03] <knome> i suppose i can file the bug at some point
[22:03] <knome> but not up to that now
[22:04] <brainwash> knome: can you assign high priority to this bug (gvfs package) please?
[22:04] <brainwash> bug 1231978
[22:05] <ochosi> +1
[22:05] <knome> set to critical. that good
[22:05] <knome> ?
[22:05] <ochosi> i guess
[22:05] <brainwash> yea :)
[22:05] <ochosi> it's really a sucky sucky bug
[22:06] <knome> i'll ping pitti about it
[22:06] <brainwash> I already subscribed him to the bug report, but no comment yet
[22:07] <knome> i pinged him on IRC
[22:13] <brainwash> I did comment on the upstream bug report responsible for the 1.18.1 release of gvfs, but maybe I should have just file a new bug report (not sure if those guys care about comments on resolved reports)
[22:14] <brainwash> https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=708744
[22:18] <bluesabre> yeah, comments on resolved tend to be ignored forever
[22:18] <brainwash> knome: and I'm curious about bug 1232027, shouldn't the missing package be included as soon as possible? to allow some testing before final release
[22:18] <brainwash> bluesabre: :(
[22:18] <bluesabre> but knome can probably haunt the right people
[22:18] <bluesabre> s/haunt/ping
[22:18] <bluesabre> :)
[22:18] <ochosi> darn, brainwash and bluesabre, you're so hard to distinguish at late ours. same first letter and same nick-length...
[22:18] <knome> bah
[22:19] <knome> bluesabre, you should learn that skill as well ;)
[22:19] <bluesabre> :)
[22:19] <bluesabre> brainwash: that is an interesting bug
[22:20] <brainwash> ochosi: use some colors to distinguish our nicks
[22:21] <knome> brainwash, get better, more distiguishable nicks
[22:21] <bluesabre> I'd recommend making mine your terminal background color ;)
[22:21] <ochosi> brainwash: my irssi-skills are too low and i'm quite fond of using a rather monochrome-ish theme...
[22:21]  * knome files a bug
[22:21] <ochosi> bluesabre: you wanna be the invisible man freddie mercury was singing about?
[22:22] <knome> now now
[22:22] <bluesabre> haha
[22:22] <knome> you should all join -ot
[22:22] <knome> we're more on topic there than you are here, shame!
[22:23] <ochosi> knome: well, who's at more at fault then? (at least i assume that's your question)
[22:24] <Unit193> ochosi: /run nickcolor.pl
[22:24] <knome> ochosi, there wasn't a question .P
[22:24]  * Unit193 doesn't use it. :D
[22:24] <knome> me neither, i rather misread nicks.
[22:24] <pleia2> ta-da https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2013-October/037695.html
[22:24] <ochosi> Unit193: yeah, as i said, i prefer monochrome irssi... if i start making bluesabre's nick e.g. *blue* i guess that'd just make things weird
[22:26] <Unit193> pleia2: Yep, not surprised.
[22:26] <pleia2> interesting that multi-monitor was the nail in the coffin for them too
[22:27] <pleia2> I'm so glad they're taking that support seriously
[22:27] <knome> pleia2, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U4_bklAqlaU
[22:27] <knome> ta-dah!
[22:28] <pleia2> hehe
[22:29] <bluesabre> :D
[22:30] <bluesabre> that movie was just as excellent as the first
[22:30] <knome> hehe, yep
[22:30] <knome> minions are the best :P
[22:31] <ochosi> hehe
[22:31] <ochosi> well, no time to feel schadenfreude
[22:31] <pleia2> I've not seen either
[22:31] <ochosi> after all, at some point xmir might bring benefits
[22:33] <bluesabre> yeah, it might be worthwhile later on
[22:33] <ochosi> at least intel-users said they felt everything looked "smoother"
[22:33] <bluesabre> unfortunately, this probably means its delayed until 14.10 since they will probably want to avoid going full-force on it for the LTS without a "stable" testing time
[22:34] <Unit193> I'd hope at least...
[22:36] <ochosi> we'll see
[22:36] <ochosi> these things don't seem to be very predictable in ubuntu from my experience
[22:37] <knome> no
[22:37] <knome> what i'm proud of is that we did the 'right' decision
[22:38] <Unit193> But that also means all that testing and playing around was worthless. :P
[22:38] <knome> it's not.
[22:38] <knome> it's ground for xmir for later.
[22:38] <bluesabre> yeah, we raised a bunch of concerns :)
[22:38] <Unit193> Well, something to compare to, but still.
[22:40] <ochosi> xubuntu also made quite a few headlines thanks to your images, Unit193 
[22:40] <bluesabre> indeed
[22:40] <ochosi> (and with "images" i mean the pictures and photographs of yourself that you shared)
[22:40] <Unit193> Ahaha.  But you mean the other type of images. :D
[22:40] <ochosi> great minds think alike ;)
[22:41] <ochosi> (unfortunately so do idiots)
[22:41] <Unit193> Sadly for you at least...
[22:41] <ochosi> so anyway, before knome kicks me out of -devel for being a bit -ot, great work on that xmir initiative
[22:41] <ochosi> it was far from worthless
[22:42] <knome> +1
[22:42] <knome> and far from a crappy effort.
[22:47] <Unit193> Eh, could be better, but at least http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S65ZzffW-Cw
[22:49] <ochosi> harhar
[22:49] <ochosi> nice one
[22:49] <ochosi> (wait, is that a *thing* now, that we post yt-links to these kind a quotes?)
[22:50]  * knome shrugs
[22:50] <knome> used to happen in -ot
[22:52] <brainwash> ochosi: can you explain the current gtk2/gtk3 panel indicator situation please? still no gtk3 indicators for xubuntu users?
[22:53] <ochosi> brainwash: it seems like gtk3 indicators won't happen by default in 13.10
[22:53] <ochosi> there might be a PPA for them though
[22:53] <knome> ochosi, micahg said he's going to try to push them in though
[22:53] <brainwash> and forking them was never an option?
[22:53] <ochosi> bluesabre was working on one, haven't checked what the status is
[22:54] <knome> or then i misunderstood, Unit193 asked about that
[22:54] <bluesabre> hm what?
[22:54] <ochosi> wow, lotsa confusion here :)
[22:54] <brainwash> what the bug?
[22:54] <ochosi> brainwash: forking them doesn't help if the protocol or API of the services changes
[22:55] <ochosi> knome: really? when did he say that? if so, is that really the plan? cause then i need to hack together support for them in 2 or 3 themes of ours
[22:57] <knome> ochosi, around three hours ago in -offtopic
[22:58] <ochosi> knome: haha, that seems to be the place for that kind of announcement
[22:58] <knome> not announcement
[22:58] <knome> Unit193 just asked him
[22:58] <Unit193> ochosi: I asked, he answered.
[22:58] <knome> tell him to ask in -devel
[22:58] <ochosi> i see
[22:58] <knome> no, don't see, just tell
[22:58] <knome> :P
[22:58] <ochosi> well not sure what to say
[22:59] <ochosi> i guess i'll wait until that's in the archives until i start spending time on the themes
[22:59] <ochosi> or at least: until it's in the works for realz
[22:59] <knome> if that helps/soothes you at all, i'll want that in 14.04 at least, if there is no other solution (and i don't think there will be)
[22:59] <knome> so work made on that isn't useless anyway
[23:00] <ochosi> yeah, possibly not
[23:00] <ochosi> unless theming stuff changes
[23:00] <knome> so, we should probably just make a collective decision to keep the devel stuff in -devel and the rest in -ot
[23:01] <knome> we haven't scheduled the next meeting, but i'll add that to the agenda
[23:01] <knome> if the wiki decides to load