[04:31] <ScottK> Riddell: If it's -DPYTHON_LIBRARY, I would tend to suspect our CMake multiarch stuff for python, but I'm not sure.
[04:32] <ScottK> Riddell: re libkdcraw: mdeslaur ping'ed me about it on #ubuntu-hardened.  Great place to hang out.
[04:43] <ScottK> Riddell: libkdcraw is also released for quantal and raring.
[06:16] <soee> good morning
[08:47] <Riddell> ScottK: has anarchy broken lose yet?
[08:48] <Tm_T> Riddell: you forget there's states that manages plenty of it all on their own AFAIK
[08:48] <Tm_T> so no, we're not that lucky, yet
[09:22] <apachelogger> yofel, debfx: do we even still use xsettigns-kde? and if not what do we use?
[09:23] <apachelogger> Riddell: what do we do with userconfig bugs now?
[09:31] <Riddell> apachelogger: there's a good argument to say we should remove userconfig from the archive
[09:31] <apachelogger> oh we didn't? :O
[09:31] <apachelogger> Riddell: want a bug for that or can you simply do that?
[09:32] <Riddell> apachelogger: a bug would be handy
[09:32] <apachelogger> because userconfig is not maintained and due to what it does it can very well break ones system
[09:32] <Riddell> apachelogger: xsettings-kde is in the active seed and should be removed, we've not used it for a while
[09:32] <apachelogger> what are we using now?
[09:34] <Riddell> gtk3-engines-oxygen ?
[09:34] <apachelogger> but how is it set as default?
[09:34] <apachelogger> isn't that what xsettings-kde did
[09:35] <Riddell> mm yes
[09:35] <Riddell> magic?
[09:35] <apachelogger> ^^
[09:36] <apachelogger> yes
[09:36] <apachelogger> but
[09:36] <apachelogger> how ^^
[09:36] <apachelogger> will have to wait for someone with insight I guess
[09:40] <Riddell>   Add gtk2-default-theme.rc.sh back so gtk2 theming doesn't break if
[09:40] <Riddell>   xsettings-kde doesn't work
[09:41] <Riddell> committed by yofel to kubuntu-settings last year
[09:41] <apachelogger> lol
[09:41] <apachelogger> Riddell: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/userconfig/+bug/1234053
[09:42] <Riddell> similar question is should we remove networkmanagement?
[09:42] <Riddell> I'm not sure since I think plasma-nm still is flaky in some use cases
[09:42] <apachelogger> yesyesyes
[09:42] <apachelogger> Riddell: then why do we use it? :O
[09:42] <Riddell> at least it is with our old networkmanager
[09:42] <Riddell> apachelogger: it's better in others?
[09:43] <apachelogger> uhm
[09:43] <apachelogger> remove them both and use the gtk thing
[09:43] <apachelogger> it's better in everything Oo
[09:44] <apachelogger> Riddell: I still think networkmanagement should be removed
[09:44] <Riddell> apachelogger: ok file a bug for that too please
[09:44] <apachelogger> iff there are deal breaking issues with plasma-nm those should/must/need to be resolved via SRUs
[09:44] <apachelogger> IMHO
[09:44] <apachelogger> the solution cannot be 'install old thing and fiddle it into your plasma'
[09:47] <apachelogger> Riddell: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/networkmanagement/+bug/1234055
[09:47] <apachelogger> which reminds me that I wanted to do an rdeps check
[09:48] <apachelogger> Riddell: one gets to wonder whether we should introduce a transitional package though
[09:48] <apachelogger> Riddell: if kubuntu-desktop is not present people could otherwise end up without network manager
[09:52] <Riddell> apachelogger: yes that would make sense
[10:08] <ovidiu-florin> hello world
[10:08] <ovidiu-florin> apachelogger: any feedback from craig?
[10:08] <ovidiu-florin> I'd like to be involved in this movement, to learn how it's done
[10:08] <ovidiu-florin> could I??
[10:09] <apachelogger> no answer yet, and yes you could do that stuff
[10:09] <apachelogger> it's mostly just filing requests anyway
[10:11] <apachelogger> https://sysadmin.kde.org/tickets/index.php?page=tickets&act=add&step=2&did=12 that thing mostly
[10:14] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[10:17] <smartboyhw> So, no XMir
[10:18] <apachelogger> it's all ur fault
[10:18] <Riddell> no love lost there
[10:18] <Riddell> https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=325460#c4  "Can I just say you guys are awesome? I've used KDE with various distributions for years (and with Kubuntu for the last ~2) but never reported a bug until now. I am amazed at how quickly it was acknowledged and came to some form of resolution. "
[10:18] <Riddell> wish we could do that with all the bugs :)
[10:18] <smartboyhw> Riddell, agreed
[10:19] <smartboyhw> apachelogger, it's other's fault not mine :P
[10:21]  * Riddell blogs http://blogs.kde.org/2013/10/02/kubuntu-beastie-fixing
[10:22] <ovidiu-florin> apachelogger: I don't have an account there
[10:27] <smartboyhw> To remind everybody: Community Council check-in is tomorrow
[10:27] <smartboyhw> 17:00 UTC, #ubuntu-meeting
[10:28] <smartboyhw> Er, everybody I think might specifically apply to KC mroe
[10:28] <smartboyhw> But I just saw it on the CC agenda enyhow
[10:28] <smartboyhw> *anyhow
[10:31] <apachelogger> Riddell: new user-manager not uploaded yet?
[10:32] <apachelogger> ovidiu-florin: identity.kde.org
[10:32] <apachelogger> ^ global kde login
[10:32] <ovidiu-florin> ok
[10:34] <ovidiu-florin> apachelogger: so I should just submit a ticket after we get a responce from craig?
[10:35] <apachelogger> ovidiu-florin: ping me first please, so the information is correct ^^
[10:35] <ovidiu-florin> ok
[10:35] <Riddell> apachelogger: yeah 0.0~git20130930-0ubuntu1  is in
[10:36] <apachelogger> ScottK: the amount of bug reports for synaptiks is scary :(
[10:36] <apachelogger> Riddell: can't change password :S
[10:36] <Riddell> apachelogger: sigh, passwords were working fine for me
[10:36] <Riddell> apachelogger: user avatars were not
[10:36] <apachelogger> oh
[10:36] <apachelogger> I am still on the july snapshot
[10:36] <apachelogger> wtf
[10:36] <Riddell> apt-get update is your friend :)
[10:37] <apachelogger> user-manager	0.0~git20130719-0ubuntu1
[10:37] <apachelogger> Riddell: that's today's ISO
[10:37] <apachelogger> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/current/saucy-desktop-i386.manifest
[10:37] <ovidiu-florin> apachelogger: Submit A Ticket -> Git repository request ?
[10:38] <apachelogger> Riddell: ah, 4 hours ago published, nevermind
[10:38] <apachelogger> ovidiu-florin: yes
[10:38] <ovidiu-florin> apachelogger: but that doesn't go to the same page that you've sent me
[10:39] <ovidiu-florin> https://sysadmin.kde.org/tickets/index.php?page=tickets&act=add&step=2 compared to https://sysadmin.kde.org/tickets/index.php?page=tickets&act=add&step=2&did=12
[10:39] <apachelogger> ovidiu-florin: does for me
[10:39] <ovidiu-florin> I don't know how mych that did=12 counts
[10:39] <apachelogger> not sure what it does :P
[10:40] <apachelogger> ah
[10:40] <ovidiu-florin> it could be something specific to your acount type
[10:40] <apachelogger> did is the actual id of the request
[10:40] <apachelogger> i.e. if you open the url without did you get to the selection screen
[10:40] <apachelogger> if you open the did url you get the actual git request page
[10:40] <apachelogger> same thing regardless
[10:40] <ovidiu-florin> oh
[10:41] <apachelogger> Riddell: so, what do we do with jockey v software-properties?
[10:41] <ovidiu-florin> there must be something up with my chrome
[10:44] <Riddell> apachelogger: what is jockey v software-properties?
[10:45] <apachelogger> Riddell: jockey is apparently deprected in ubuntu and partially broken (at least no versions are displayed) on our end... and apparenlty on ubuntu the features have been integrated into software-properties
[10:47] <apachelogger> and I smell untranslatable strings in s-p
[10:49] <Riddell> apachelogger: really? software-properties only does sources.list surely?
[10:49] <Riddell> apachelogger: last we spoke about it jon was going to add to muon but that never happened
[10:49] <apachelogger> Riddell: that's what the bug report says at least
[10:50] <Riddell> apachelogger: which bug report?
[10:50] <apachelogger> and l10n alert whooowhoooowhoooowhooooo
[10:50] <apachelogger> Riddell: bug 1078379
[11:06] <apachelogger> Riddell: http://i.imgur.com/dSJNvj4.png
[11:07] <Riddell> apachelogger: yeah, seb just confirmed the same, it uses ubuntu-drivers-common and soft-properties-gtk as frontend
[11:07] <Riddell> apachelogger: so the answer is just to add that frontend on to soft-properties-kde
[11:07] <Riddell> apachelogger: but I guess for this cycle our solution is a broken jockey unless we find a quick python coder
[11:09] <apachelogger> meh
[11:09] <apachelogger> s-p neeeds review anyway
[11:09] <apachelogger> the gtk version has no statistics tab anymore
[11:10] <apachelogger> and our l10n of it is broken because for some reason qt ui files are not extracted into the pot
[11:10] <apachelogger> so I am tempted to hide() that tab
[11:13] <Riddell> yeah that's fine
[11:18] <apachelogger> bug 1234106
[11:26] <apachelogger> #  Copyright © 2009 Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com>
[11:26] <apachelogger> :O
[11:26] <apachelogger> I totally don't remember working on s-p
[11:26] <Riddell> I'm sure it was me who did that, why you steal my glory?
[11:27] <soee> ;]
[11:27] <apachelogger> Riddell: Canonical Ltd stole your glory :P
[11:27] <soee> 4.11.2 for raring ?
[11:27] <apachelogger> that's the other copyright holder
[11:27] <apachelogger> may be that I ported to qt4
[11:34] <apachelogger> really
[11:34] <apachelogger> where is jon the taco
[11:34] <apachelogger> http://i.imgur.com/6k0SbpU.png
[11:34] <apachelogger> Riddell: that may be evil upstream polkit l10n problem there
[11:34] <apachelogger> <- scared
[11:35] <apachelogger> ARGH
[11:35] <apachelogger> there's still stuff untralsated
[11:35] <apachelogger> *untranslated
[11:37] <apachelogger> Riddell: so, bug 1234106 needs a resolution asap and I have no clue about either of the involved utils so I can't do anything about it
[11:41] <apachelogger> Riddell: do you still have the l10n statistics of the user-manager snapshot? (shoudl be in the releaseme dir)
[11:41] <apachelogger> http://i.imgur.com/D5YNond.png
[11:41] <apachelogger> not sure if those are not i18n'd or not l10n'd
[11:43] <apachelogger> http://i.imgur.com/jQd4ZxS.png
[11:43] <Riddell> apachelogger: http://starsky.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/user-manager-l10n-0.0~git20130930.html
[11:46] <apachelogger> not l10n'd then
[11:46] <apachelogger> and I think I broke my password
[11:46] <apachelogger> :O
[11:46] <ovidiu-florin> apachelogger: have you seen the mail from Craig?
[11:46] <apachelogger> and I am not sure how
[11:46] <ScottK> Riddell: Not yet.  Mostly just people being put out of work who've got nothing to do with whatever is going on.
[11:47] <ScottK> apachelogger: Sure, but it also works fine for a lot of people and there's no better alternative.  You should convince afiestas to make one.
[11:51] <apachelogger> ovidiu-florin: replied
[11:52] <apachelogger> ScottK: so sad, maybe tsdgeos should make that happen, I seem to recall him having experience with touch things ;)
[11:53] <ovidiu-florin> apachelogger: I was thinking of a diffferent name for it, but it's his project, so I guessed it's his choice.
[11:54] <apachelogger> ovidiu-florin: well, you can always send a mail with other suggestions :P
[11:54] <apachelogger> as you said, it's his project, so I don't care what it gets called
[11:55]  * apachelogger gets headache again :(
[11:55] <ovidiu-florin> apachelogger: discard my responce ... I need to set reply to all by default
[11:56] <apachelogger> ovidiu-florin: 'a' in gmail
[11:56] <ovidiu-florin> same in kmail
[11:56] <apachelogger> right, so hit a :P
[11:56]  * apachelogger never ever uses r
[12:04] <ovidiu-florin> forwarded you his responce
[12:04] <ovidiu-florin> apachelogger: ^
[12:05] <apachelogger> don't see anything
[12:07] <ovidiu-florin> apachelogger: now?
[12:07] <lordievader> Good afternoon.
[12:08] <ovidiu-florin> hello lordievader
[12:08] <apachelogger> ovidiu-florin: ufw-kde then
[12:08] <lordievader> Hey ovidiu-florin, how are you?
[12:09] <ovidiu-florin> apachelogger: ok
[12:09] <ovidiu-florin> I'll start now
[12:09] <ovidiu-florin> lordievader: learning all I can
[12:09] <ovidiu-florin> lordievader: you?
[12:10] <apachelogger> ovidiu-florin: so on the ticket site the repo name would be 'ufw-kde', the pretty name 'UFW-KDE' the initial maintainers 'craig;sitter' and the location 'playground/sysadmin'
[12:11] <lordievader> ovidiu-florin: Good luck, I'm doing fine. :)
[12:11] <apachelogger> ovidiu-florin: oh and in the description at the bottom mention that if they need confirmation they shall poke apachelogger on irc
[12:12] <ovidiu-florin> one line description: A gui for the UFW firewall
[12:12] <ovidiu-florin> apachelogger: ^
[12:12] <apachelogger> yeah
[12:12] <ovidiu-florin> Priority?
[12:12] <apachelogger> low
[12:13] <ovidiu-florin> Subject? Add git repo for UFW GUI ?
[12:13] <apachelogger> just 'git repo ufw-kde' I guess
[12:16] <ovidiu-florin> apachelogger: https://sysadmin.kde.org/tickets/index.php?page=tickets&act=view&id=WQN-2731
[12:16] <apachelogger> can't see that ^^
[12:18] <ovidiu-florin> apachelogger: then, just: Ticket ID: WQN-2731
[12:21] <smartboyhw> ovidiu-florin, I presume that not only the original maintainer will help to squash bugs but you will also maintain it yourself? 
[12:21] <ovidiu-florin> I would like to do that
[12:23] <smartboyhw> Schedule for today: Now - 21:15: Homework 21:15-22:00 Piano practice 22:00-23:00 Ubuntu Reminders App meeting 23:00 - 06:45: sleep (Hmm, never got such a planned day)
[12:23] <ovidiu-florin> should I apply for developer access?
[12:23] <ovidiu-florin> smartboyhw: ^
[12:23] <smartboyhw> ovidiu-florin, well, if you are seriously opting to maintain it, yes
[12:25] <ovidiu-florin> I would, but, again, I don't know how much time I can allocate to this, since school just started + my jobs.
[12:26] <ovidiu-florin> I don't want to be responsible for something if I don't know I can handle it
[12:26] <ovidiu-florin> that's why right now I'mm just watching and learning and doing minor tasks
[12:26] <smartboyhw> ovidiu-florin, maybe we put it like this: Will you submit code often?
[12:27] <ovidiu-florin> right now (for the following few months) no
[12:27] <ovidiu-florin> not often
[12:27] <ovidiu-florin> I still have to learn how sone things in KDE work
[12:28] <ovidiu-florin> so I'll just stick to the review board for now
[12:31] <apachelogger> oh eh, meh -.-
[12:31] <apachelogger> locale kcm is still kaput
[12:33] <apachelogger> and user-manager has l10n issues -.-
[12:45] <shadeslayer> anyone working on the Raring packages?
[12:45] <shadeslayer> Riddell: ^^
[12:46] <Riddell> shadeslayer: still to get to it I'm afraid
[12:46] <shadeslayer> okie
[12:48]  * shadeslayer checks preciswe
[12:58] <soee> shadeslayer, im w... aiting for Raring packages :)
[12:59] <shadeslayer> soee: I think raring should work, except for kalzium
[12:59] <shadeslayer> which I'll fix in a bit
[13:00] <soee> ill wait for fixes, don't want to break my pc here at work
[13:00] <shadeslayer> okie
[13:00] <shadeslayer> yofel: btw any SSD recommendations?
[13:16] <shadeslayer> we have boost 1.49 as the default in raring correct?
[13:17] <tsimpson> !info libboost-dev raring
[13:40] <Riddell> shadeslayer: I'm looking at pykde in raring now
[13:40] <shadeslayer> cool
[13:40] <Riddell> shadeslayer: yes 1.49 says https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/boost-defaults
[13:41] <shadeslayer> I added libboost-python1.49-dev to kalzium build-deps and it still doesn't work
[13:41] <shadeslayer> i.e pbuilder fails to satisfy deps
[13:42] <Riddell> shadeslayer: on raring?
[13:42] <shadeslayer> yep
[13:44] <shadeslayer> http://pastebin.kde.org/ptkavfswt
[13:44] <shadeslayer> ( I know it says libboost-python-dev,, but I tried it with libboost-python1.49-dev as well )
[13:44] <shadeslayer> !info libboost-python1.49-dev 
[14:05] <genii> After yesterdays round of updates... Cannot ctrl-alt-Functionkey to any tty from lightdm-kde-greeter
[14:20] <shadeslayer> *farepalm*
[14:23] <Riddell> shadeslayer: looks like you worked it out, just needed the same thing done as 4.11.1 had
[14:23] <shadeslayer> yeah
[14:23] <Riddell> shadeslayer: will you add a script to kubuntu-automation/backport-hooks/stable ?
[14:23] <shadeslayer> yep
[14:25] <debfx> apachelogger: afaik the gtk theme KCM creates a gtk3 ini file to set the theme name so xsettings-kde isn't use anymore
[14:29] <shadeslayer> Riddell: done
[14:30] <Riddell> lovely, installing 4.11.2 on raring for a test
[14:30] <shadeslayer> cool
[15:09] <Riddell> running in Xephr the apps don't show anything, how annoying, probably some issue with the xephyr chroot but how do I confirm?
[15:09] <Riddell> ec2 it is
[15:11] <shadeslayer> Riddell: could you also test precise? my VBox is too slow
[15:15] <Riddell> shadeslayer: I'll fire one up
[15:15] <shadeslayer> okie
[15:44] <shadeslayer> jono: got a moment?
[15:47] <jono> shadeslayer, on the phone now
[15:47] <shadeslayer> sure
[16:11] <Riddell> shadeslayer: precise all working
[16:11] <Riddell> vnc to  ec2-107-20-106-215.compute-1.amazonaws.com:5901 foobar if you want to try :)
[16:13] <shadeslayer> cool, no need to vnc in :)
[16:21] <Riddell> shadeslayer: and raring good too
[16:21] <shadeslayer> cool
[16:22] <Riddell> shadeslayer: so time to copy them over?
[16:22] <Riddell> you want the honours or shall I?
[16:22] <shadeslayer> sure go ahead
[16:22] <cortexA9> hello
[16:22] <cortexA9> Riddell
[16:22] <cortexA9> the daily of today failed to boot
[16:23] <cortexA9> with usb key
[16:23] <cortexA9> you know ?
[16:25] <Riddell> cortexA9: nope, what's up?
[16:28] <Riddell> for asdf in `cat ~/src/kubuntu-automation/kubuntu-automation/kdesc-packages-saucy.txt`; do echo ${asdf}; ./copy-package -s raring -p kubuntu-ninjas --ppa-name=ppa -b --to-ppa=kubuntu-ppa --to-ppa-name=backports --unembargo ${asdf} -y; done
[16:28] <Riddell> should keep it busy
[16:29] <cortexA9> Riddell
[16:29] <cortexA9> it doesnt boot
[16:29] <cortexA9> idk..
[16:30] <shadeslayer> jono: still on the phone?
[16:30] <shadeslayer> Riddell: you know
[16:30] <shadeslayer> Riddell: kopypackages
[16:31] <shadeslayer> Riddell: kopypackages -a ppa:kubuntu-ninjas/ppa $RELEASE ppa:kubuntu-ppa/backports $RELEASE
[16:32] <jono> shadeslayer, nearly done
[16:32] <shadeslayer> oh okay
[16:36] <Riddell> shadeslayer: ah yes forgot about that
[16:36] <shadeslayer> :)
[16:36] <jono> hey shadeslayer
[16:36] <jono> free now
[16:36] <shadeslayer> heya, PM?
[16:36] <jono> sure
[16:49] <Riddell> shadeslayer: kopypackages doesn't seem to do anything
[16:49] <shadeslayer> how are you using it?
[16:50] <Riddell> ./kopypackages -a ppa:kubuntu-ninjas/ppa precice ppa:kubuntu-ppa/backports precise 
[16:50] <shadeslayer> precice?
[16:50] <shadeslayer> :P
[16:50] <Riddell> aah
[16:51] <Riddell> ok onto l10n
[16:59] <markey> here's an update on my C++11 compilation issue: it's not just me
[16:59] <markey> the same errors happen on Mamarok's box
[16:59] <markey> it is a packaging error
[17:00] <Riddell> oh could well be but not one we have any experience with, it'll be a general ubuntu issue if it's a distro fault
[17:01] <markey> something has regressed with an update during the last 4 weeks or so
[17:01] <markey> yep
[17:03] <Riddell> last upload of clang 3.2 at end of august https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/llvm-toolchain-3.2
[17:03] <markey> it would fit
[17:04] <markey> I haven't touched C++11 in a while
[17:04] <markey> interestingly, on apachelogger's computer it works correctly. I think he's using Kubuntu 13.10
[17:05] <markey> Clang 3.2.1 I think
[17:07] <markey> so I'll just upgrade to 13.10 tomorrow and hope the problem will fix itself. but I thought you might want to know about it
[17:10] <markey> especially since C++11 is going to get more real-life usage soon,
[17:11] <markey> as we want to start using it, and I think KDE in general as well
[17:11] <Riddell> ah so you think it's an update on 13.04
[17:11] <markey> http://community.kde.org/Frameworks/Policies#Frameworks_compiler_requirements_and_C.2B.2B11
[17:11] <markey> yes
[17:12] <markey> a regression
[17:12] <Riddell> no obvious candidates on https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/raring-changes/2013-September/thread.html
[17:13] <Riddell> impressive how many SRUs are done by Kubuntu team and how few by ubuntu desktop team
[17:13] <markey> indeed...
[17:14] <markey> the direct feedback we have between developers and distro developers is really valuable. one of the aspects that make Kubuntu a joy to use for me
[17:18] <Riddell> markey: we try :)
[20:39] <Riddell> shadeslayer: good to announce 4.11.2?
[20:43] <ScottK> Canonical are using C++11, so I'm sure they do/will care.
[20:45]  * Riddell publishes kubuntu.org/news/kde-sc-4.11.2
[22:39] <snele> yellow restart button does nothing when pressed in beta2
[22:40] <snele> I mean button which appears is system tray when you install some updates
[22:41] <snele> few times popped up these days, and always when I click on it nothing happens
[22:41] <snele> I don't know against which component I should file a bug