[00:43] <silverbulleto> guys, kubuntu 13.04 isn't lts right?
[01:36] <mparillo> Xerofyte: To add Widgets to the desktop, just right-click on your desktop and select Add Widgets.
[01:38] <gilb> hello
[01:42] <mparillo> Xerofyte: To install widgets, after you select Add Widgets, you should see Get New Widgets, and you can pick from many.
[01:51] <westyvw> is Karbon not in Kubuntu anymore?
[01:58] <mparillo> !find karbon
[01:58] <mparillo> !find karbon saucy
[02:00] <westyvw> saucy only eh?
[02:01] <westyvw> hmm well apt-get install karbon didnt throw an error this time. odd
[02:01] <westyvw> so like nevermind!
[02:02] <mparillo> !info karbon
[06:30] <ampopf_> Hello. Did anybody experienced problem with VPN routing in kde 4.11? KDE does not save PPTP VPN connection (new or existed) if  there are changes in routing.
[08:46] <ropeus> hello mates
[08:46] <ropeus> i need assistance w/ ur permission
[08:46] <ropeus> i've linux lite 2.3.0 w/ ubuntu 12.4
[08:46] <ropeus> is necessary an upgrade to lastest linux distribution?
[08:47] <ropeus> any remark will be welcomed
[08:47] <ropeus> tnx in advance
[08:47] <hateball> ropeus: Are you experiencing any problems? 12.04 is a LTS release so it should be good for security
[08:48] <hateball> So unless you want new features, there's no reason to fix what is not broken
[08:48] <ropeus> yes mate but i use it only for learning by browsing spcific sites
[08:49] <ropeus> it is installed on Asus Eee PC 8.9" w. 2 GB Ram & 2 SSD 4GB SLC 16 GB MLC
[08:50] <ropeus> Enough for linux i guess
[08:51] <ropeus> my friend recommend me to install lastest Ubuntu release
[08:51] <ropeus> it is any difference between them when discuss about security ?
[08:52] <Tm_T> ropeus: as long as it's supported release you should be fine in that
[08:53] <ropeus> understood and tnx 4 ur support, guys
[08:54] <ropeus> it's my first time when I use this kind of comm , under LINUX S.O  'course
[08:54] <ropeus> i hope so I don't disturb U in anyway ...
[08:55] <Tm_T> ropeus: not at all, this is actually the correct place to ask such questions (:
[08:55] <Tm_T> ropeus: so basicly your current options are 12.04 and 13.04 releases, 13.10 release will come out later this month
[08:55] <ropeus> i see that and thanxs again
[08:56] <ropeus> my fault is that I use just for few months this open-source solution
[08:58] <ropeus> even I've 44 and I am a cyber forensic expert , retired National Institute Of Forensic Science employer http://www.inec.ro
[08:59] <ropeus> and now , CEO of My own ROPEUS INVESTIGATION AGENCY, Microsoft Certified Gold Partner, MSCE and CCNA 3.0
[09:00] <ropeus> but a novice in LINUX Administration :(
[09:01] <ropeus> see ya next time ....
[09:02] <ropeus> with regards, EUSEBIU PUNGARU - http://ro.linkedin.com/pub/eusebiu-pungaru/13/578/456
[09:24] <IR0NY> привет
[09:25] <M_Kay> i would love to buy new kubuntu t-shirt! :/
[09:25] <IR0NY> =)
[09:25] <M_Kay> but there is so official shop for that right?
[09:26] <IR0NY> dont know
[09:26] <M_Kay> *no
[09:26] <IR0NY> BB
[09:37] <ppawel> mparillo, hi, after today's package update everything is ok again
[09:40] <mparillo> ppawel: Thank you for the update. Muon update has not yet notified me of 4.11.2 (of course I could apt-get, but I tend not to on Kubuntu; for some reason I now need to on Mint KDE, but that is a story for another channel). Did kwallet come in today's update or do you no longer think that was the root cause?
[09:42] <ppawel> mparillo, a lot of packages got updated to 4.11.2 and kwallet started working again. I think the problem was that I got in the middle of kde upgrade yesterday - part of packages was at 4.11.1 and part was updated.. or maybe not
[09:42] <ppawel> anyway it works now
[09:43] <mparillo> M_Kay: https://holvi.com/shop/Kubuntu/
[09:44] <mparillo> ppawel: Glad to hear it. I will keep that in mind when the 4.11.2 update appears for me.
[09:45] <M_Kay> nice i didn't know about that :)
[09:45] <M_Kay> will there be other products in near future?
[09:46] <M_Kay> i cant war size L :D
[09:48] <mparillo> M_Kay: I do not know for certain, but I have lurked and heard some chatter.
[09:50] <lordievader> Whoo there are shirts available, should order one soon :D
[10:14] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[10:27] <Nerdy> Hi.
[10:28] <lordievader> Hey Nerdy
[10:28] <Nerdy> I recently install a seagate 64mb cache 1tb hard drive into my PC and for some reason I can't quite fathom the installer for kubuntu 13.04 64 bit doesn't recognise the exisiting partition and unallocated space.
[10:28] <Nerdy> I can mount the partitions and unmount them in the desktop ui.
[10:28] <Nerdy> But the installer just won't read it properly.
[10:29] <Nerdy> Never had this issue before.
[10:31] <Nerdy> It is mbr setup not gpt.
[10:31] <lordievader> Nerdy: Was it formated by Windows as a dynamic disk?
[10:31] <Nerdy> Nope.
[10:31] <Nerdy> I did shrink the hard drive down in windows but that has never had this knock on effect before with Linux OS's.
[10:36] <Nerdy> ST1000DM003
[10:36] <Nerdy> Seagate hdd.
[12:07] <lordievader> Good afternoon.
[12:22] <yossarianuk> is 13.10 going to ship with latest KDE version - i.e 4.11.2 ?
[12:23] <yossarianuk> and will it follow 4.11.x updates ? (as 4.11 is an LTS version of KDE)
[13:03] <soee> yossarianuk, yes
[13:03] <soee> this is going to be main KDE version i think, and than newer will land in saucy backports
[13:06] <CRASH26> hello
[13:07] <CRASH26> hello
[13:08] <lordievader> Hey CRASH26
[13:09] <CRASH26> yes lord
[13:27] <yossarianuk> soee: cheers
[15:01] <lalit> ty c
[15:56] <craig_> hello
[16:19] <anku> hi
[16:20] <anku> hey.. how do i add dalnet
[17:45] <smaudet> hey, looking for some help installing kubuntu 13.04 onto efi, getting an error message with grub, can anyone help? its the 'grub-efi package failed to install into /target/' message if that helps any, and its a dualboot (hopefully) system
[17:47] <genii> !efi
[17:49] <smaudet> genii: not helpfull
[17:50] <smaudet> its a grub issue - I need something I can do from within the kubuntu livecd
[17:50] <smaudet> preferrably
[17:50] <smaudet> unless you know how to swap out the grub?
[17:53] <genii> smaudet: Unfortunately, currently the (U)EFI is implemented in different ways on different systems, so there is no single approach. And I personally haven't had to deal with it yet, so the best I can do at the moment is offer the canned help of the bot's link.
[17:53] <smaudet> genii: then I'm currently more qualified than you to fix this =/ sorry
[17:54] <smaudet> genii: after all you don't generally trawl the web for this stuff until you're faced with the problem
[17:54] <genii> Yup.
[17:55] <smaudet> I was hoping someone might be able to offer light on the grub issue I mentioned, google was no help
[17:55] <smaudet> I guess I'll ask in grub if no one here knows
[17:59] <smaudet> different question: why is dolphin 'prohibited' from accessing my other partitions...it 'just works' on the official ubuntu cd X_X
[17:59] <smaudet> nvm figured it out
[18:03] <smaudet> hmm...it LOOKS like the installer worked, it just crapped out on the grub installer. I wonder if its enough to run the grub installer from the live session...
[18:06] <smaudet> genii: for future reference, you can obtain efi boot info with a dmesg | grep -i efi
[18:06] <smaudet> Gets you vendor, version information
[18:11] <smaudet> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6184993/
[18:12] <smaudet> genii: ^
[18:12] <genii> smaudet: Looks like framebuffer issue
[18:16] <smaudet> genii: maybe, unrelated to my issue but one decent solution to the efi stuff might be to identify the vendors, looks like my vendor is pretty popular: http://www.insydesw.com/services/engineering-services
[18:18] <smaudet> Looks like they're ripping off Ubuntu Touch: http://www.insydesw.com/products/androidsolutions
[18:18] <smaudet> So an interesting company to watch nevertheless.
[20:25] <babbarshaer> any good tutorials on linux commands ?
[20:28] <chachan> there must be thousands...
[20:29] <chachan> just google and find the one fits with you
[20:46] <genii> !cli
[21:33] <pinotu> !list
[21:37] <smaudet> FYI, you guys need to get on this efibootmgr thing, I've spent nearly 4 hours reading up on efi/why my efi refuses to add a boot an entry, which basically comes down to a lot of complex stuff and a kernel bug or two which is still being worked on. I've added myself to the requisite bug on launchpad to be updated on notifications, but its kinda sad that I feel that I have to resort to using the Windows 8 Bootlaoder configuration too
[21:38] <smaudet> Great live CD 13.04 though :)
[21:39] <Unit193> !uefi | This worked well for me.
[21:40] <silverbulleto> guys, a good html/pearl editor for kubuntu?
[21:44] <smaudet> *sigh* Unit193: thank you for the canned response - there are various issues, right now I'm not sure if its motherboard BIOS issue, a Windows 8 issue of some sort, or something else - the issue is that this is significant complexity that I didn't want to have to get into, so thank you, but that doesn't help.
[21:45] <smaudet> And a less technical user would have given up long ago and simply wiped their drive.
[21:46] <nexustwelve> No one needs UEFI.  So why not just turn it off?
[21:46] <smaudet> nexustwelve: well, because I have a Windows 8 partition (which I don't have to permission to wipe), and I have a bunch of different 'support' partitions - I'm not even sure where the default efi setup is on this crazy HDD X_X
[21:47] <nexustwelve> UEFI can usually be disabled in the BIOS.  Consider trying it.  If Windows complains, just turn it back on.
[21:47] <smaudet> I know you can turn off the Windows 8 EFI, but I don't know what that'd do to the rest of the drive, and no, I'm NOT imaging the entire thing just to wipe it.
[21:48] <smaudet> nexustwelve: the entire drive is formatted with gpt though, is that even going to work with BIOS?
[21:48] <smaudet> I thought it doesn't.
[21:48] <nexustwelve> I am not familiar with GPT.
[21:49] <smaudet> Right, so basically you're a fish out of water. It'd make sense to go the (very sensible) route of BIOS/MBR if I could, but my hands are tied.
[21:50] <smaudet> I suppose a tool to do partition conversion would be nice, maybe as an addition to gparted, but no such tool exists afaik.
[21:50] <nexustwelve> If you have USB 3.0, consider just running linux from a USB stick.  It would probably still be pretty quick.
[21:50] <smaudet> nexustwelve: I have a flash drive and usb 3.0, I'm running kubuntu live as we speak
[21:51] <smaudet> Is there a sensible way to persist configuration?
[21:51] <nexustwelve> Make the USB stick, persistent with Unetbootin.
[21:51] <smaudet> I don't think that is persistent - I'm using Unetbootin
[21:52] <smaudet> And I've shut this system on/off several times.
[21:52] <smaudet> I have to reconfigure the browser/packages/wifi each time.
[21:52] <nexustwelve> On Unetbootin's gui...at the bottom is the section...'Space used to preserve files across reboots'.  Just set that to max.
[21:52] <smaudet> And yes, the usb is booting off of efi, so its not the efi that's broken, its the kubuntu/linux/efibootmgr thats broken
[21:53] <smaudet> nexustwelve: hmm, how about adding space off the internal HDD if I want to do lots of package installs?
[21:53] <smaudet> its just a cheapo 8 GB drive
[21:53] <nexustwelve> 8GB is more than enough for max persistence.
[21:54] <smaudet> nexustwelve: I don't think you understood my question; can I e.g. configure gpt partitions on my HDD to link under e.g. /usr/local/ ?
[21:55] <smaudet> So that way I basically have a usb 'key' for booting ubuntu
[21:55] <smaudet> all it has is the bootloader and kernel
[21:55] <nexustwelve> A general idea could be this...1. Maintain a favorite linux guest VM on Windows.  2. Use something like remastersys to create backups of this VM.  3.  Use Unetbootin to create a persistence live USB with this backup image.
[21:56] <smaudet> Which would actually be fantastic from the perspective that i could later repartition the HDD when I figure out the efi bootloader and simply move the files from the usb over to the internal hdd
[21:57] <nexustwelve> This way you can allow the linux install to evolve and change with your needs...take it anywhere.  AND not disturb Windows 7 and it's UEFI drama.
[21:57] <nexustwelve> Windows 8*
[21:58] <smaudet> nexustwelve: another way of asking since you don't do gpt, would this work: I have 1 primary partition with X logical partitions, and add entries to an /etc/fstab on my usb 3.0 flash drive to those logical partitions?
[21:58] <nexustwelve> I do this with great success on my system.  It's nice to have my favorite linux setup whereever I go.  [like school, friend's houses, etc.]
[21:59] <smaudet> (also I don't know that this is a 3.0 usb drive)
[21:59] <smaudet> (its just usb, is there a way to check?)
[21:59] <nexustwelve> You could go with /etc/fstab...but each boot might not order the HDD partitions the same way each time.
[22:00] <nexustwelve> Every partition will show in the file manager...and mount as soon as you click on it anyway.
[22:00] <smaudet> nexustwelve: what do you mean? what order? usually you can use UUIDs and just load whatever uuid for that partition
[22:00] <nexustwelve> The assignment of /dev/sda might not always be the C: drive in the windows each time.
[22:01] <smaudet> e.g. mount 4ea67b4c-fb9e-4029-b486-2cf2dd5e7680 to /usr/local, another uuid to /usr/bin, etc. etc.
[22:02] <nexustwelve> I've not used that method before.[UUID].  If you know it works.  Go for it.
[22:03] <smaudet> nexustwelve: yeah it should be ok, at the very least I can do some testing and iterate. Thanks for the idea! :D
[22:03] <smaudet> (for anyone that's curious this is the bug I'm having: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1167622)
[22:04] <smaudet> Confirmed and still working on a fix.
[22:51] <petersaints> I installed Kubuntu with Secure Boot off, but I wanted to enable it now. How can I reinstall the bootloader with Secure Boot support?
[22:53] <nexustwelve> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UEFI
[22:54] <nexustwelve> About 2/3 the way down the page...'Converting Ubuntu into EFI or Legacy mode'
[22:55] <petersaints> Ok. I'll try to use boot repair. I thought that I could just install a grub-efi-secureboot package or something
[22:56] <nexustwelve> It looks like once Grub is setup for EFI, you can just turn it on in the BIOS and try booting.
[22:57] <nexustwelve> Have everything backed up if possible.
[22:57] <nexustwelve> [always]