[00:11] <pfifo> I think im going to switch to ubuntu and help out with 14.04
[00:41] <Xabster> Hi, fresh install of 13.10 - sound is not working and I'm a newbie to ubuntu, so where do I start figuring out why?
[00:57] <SolarAquarion> i installed gnome 3.10 on ubuntu via a PPA and I would like to know how to revert the changes to unity/gnome
[01:04] <pfifo> reinstall?
[01:06] <SolarAquarion> sounds good
[01:12] <SolarAquarion> pfifo, that won't work.  the deps are all fucked up now because gnome 3.10
[01:12] <pfifo> I meant format the disk and reinstall ubuntu
[01:13] <SolarAquarion> pfifo, how do i save all the stuff I have on my system
[01:15] <pfifo> depends on your system, I have a seprate partition for /home so if I do a reinstall nothing needs to be done, i just format the root partition where ubuntu's stuff is
[01:16] <SolarAquarion> pfifo, how do i save my /home partition when everything was default
[01:26] <wilee-nilee> SolarAquarion, There is a wiki on separating home, and please don't swear.
[01:27] <SolarAquarion> wilee-nilee, please link
[04:13] <snadge> wheres somewhere i can talk or ask about gnome flashback?
[04:14] <snadge> its not really a general support question.. i could try #ubuntu but :| .. its not really a social topic either
[04:15] <wilee-nilee> snadge, #ubuntu-offtopic
[04:19] <wilee-nilee> snadge, might worth being aware of. https://wiki.gnome.org/GnomeFlashback
[04:20] <snadge> thankyou very much! thats exactly what i was after
[04:20] <snadge> apparently the fedora folk arn't aware of the existence of flashback
[04:20] <jmite> Does anybody know how to install Steam in Saucy? I've tried the .deb from the steam website, but it can't connect to the network. (I have similar network problems with the netflix-desktop program)
[04:20] <wilee-nilee> never heard of it myself, but I was the fallback, google is an easy search
[04:21] <snadge> i wonder why the rename? .. perhaps its to distinguish it from gnome classic
[04:21] <snadge> the gnome classic session is part of upstream gnome.. and thats what fedora uses
[04:21] <snadge> flashback is something debian/ubuntu specific
[04:21] <wilee-nilee> jmite, You using straight internet access no proxy...etc?
[04:26] <jmite> Yep, no proxy that I know of. Firefox and Thunderbird connect just fine.
[04:26] <jmite> It does go through a wireless router... is there a specific port that I'd have to enable?
[04:27] <wilee-nilee> jmite, Not sure the netflix is through wine steam I have never used, I had netflix for a minute and it worked fine, but not in saucy.
[04:29] <jmite> This is team native, not steam wine. But yes, netflix is through wine.
[04:30] <jmite> I have  the command line output from steam here: https://github.com/ValveSoftware/steam-for-linux/issues/2880
[04:30] <jmite> *steam
[04:33] <wilee-nilee> jmite, Not really an area I know a lot about, if it were me though I would be doing this in 12.04 probably for the long term support, then upgrade to 14.04 if needed.
[04:34] <wilee-nilee> In general I use the latest releases including the development but my installs are pretty basic.
[04:34] <wilee-nilee> no wine no games just some ppa's
[04:35] <jmite> Yeah... it worked fine in 13.04...
[04:38] <wilee-nilee> I have W8 for windows stuff mainly just word for college papers, go it cheap with a student discount, I started on open source but W8 is not a bad OS in general, help being a open source user when using it in general I think.
[04:38] <wilee-nilee> got*
[04:39] <jmite> Honestly, netflix and Steam are the only two things keeping me on Windows.
[04:41] <wilee-nilee> Heh, I never used windows, I started on open source, just happened to get a computer for college from a recyclers that kicks out the ubuntu LT's
[04:42] <wilee-nilee> I was a linux fanboi for about a minute, they are all OS's to me in the end.
[04:51] <jmite> Anybody else have ideas for my networking issue?
[08:10] <Volkodav> I am trying to fix the system from yesterday's failed upgrade from 13.04 in chroot env and managed most of it but ran into this dependency situation with the kernel:  http://pastebin.com/Qivb00E2     Any ideas someone&
[08:12] <Volkodav> apt-get install -f  and dpkg --configure -a   gets the same output as in the latest with upgrade
[08:17] <alankila> There's already a new kernel image. I don't know what's going wrong with your chroot'd update attempt, though.
[08:18] <Volkodav> alankila: What's the new one I may try that one
[08:18] <alankila> -11
[08:18] <alankila> don't know anything about it, it just arrived when I apt-get dist-upgrade'd
[08:18] <Volkodav> hmm let me see
[08:57] <Volkodav> alankila: I managed to reboot in old kernel and upgrade from there - all good so far
[09:26] <Xabster> Oh man, I plunged into the beta with not much experience in Ubuntu or linux in general, and now I'm screwed -- lots of stuff does not work and now I'd like to test a non beta version but the "startup disk creator" application crashes on 41% while trying to make me a live USB of 13.04 :(
[09:28] <TheOnlyJoey|Lap> Xabster, try unetbootin
[09:30] <Xabster> downloaded it from sourceforge but the file has no extension and i tried sudo sh unetbootin-linux-585
[09:31] <Xabster> says it can't open it
[09:32] <Xabster> wait, think i got it
[09:33] <Xabster> nope (i tried making it executable)
[09:33] <Xabster> libpng12.so.0 missing it seems
[09:34] <Volkodav> all my desktop icons disappeared in xfce session along with right click on desktop - anybode else noticed that?
[09:36] <brainwash> Volkodav: restart xfdesktop
[09:38] <TheOnlyJoey|Lap> hmm crap, i have a .xinitrc script that does some essential stuff for my GPU setup, and it works with startx, but it does not seem to work with gdm, .xsession file also does not seem to work
[09:40] <Volkodav> brainwash: it helped thanks
[09:48] <Volkodav> something is still wrong with icons - they do not open apps even newly created
[09:48] <Volkodav> can't delete them either
[10:06] <Kajover> hi i am using a lenovo t440s... with 13.10 daily as i had problems with the wifi. i just switched from windows and notice that everything opens up rather slowly... browsers, dash etc. i was wondering if maybe the intel hd4400 is not fully supported?
[10:08] <wilee-nilee> Kajover, just switching from windows to a development release is not the best solution, why 13.10?
[10:10] <Kajover> because the haswell chip needs 3.11
[10:10] <wilee-nilee> http://www.ubuntu.com/certification/hardware/201308-14073/
[10:11] <Kajover> everything works just fine... its just a bit slower. i am not sure if the intel hd is not fully implemented
[10:11] <Kajover> it wasnt preinstalled by a manufacturer
[10:14] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[10:24] <seriously_random> Do I need special boot option to enable new radeon power management or is it switched on by default?
[10:26] <Kajover> if i am staying on the daily build will this eventually become stable or will it switch to the daily cycle of 14.04?
[10:27] <wilee-nilee> Kajover, the daily build is just a snapshot for install you only upgrade if you choose to.
[10:27] <seriously_random> wilee-nilee, that's now what he asked
[10:27] <seriously_random> *not
[10:28] <wilee-nilee> stable is not answerable, what is it's definition?
[10:28] <Kajover> will this switch to the stable branch
[10:28] <wilee-nilee> its a subjective opinion.
[10:29] <Kajover> to the officially released 13.10
[10:29] <seriously_random> I think the question is if daily build == 13.10
[10:29] <wilee-nilee> Kajover yes if you update upgrade it is the same as any 13.10 install.
[10:29] <seriously_random> AFAIK, yes
[10:29] <Kajover> if it is going to stay at 13.10 or will it switch to the next daily cycle of 14.04
[10:30] <Kajover> am i going to receive a notification or am i going to go to the terminal and dist-upgrade
[10:30] <wilee-nilee> Kajover, dailies are just the development up to that day is all, once installed it is only a daily in name.
[10:30] <wilee-nilee> no distro upgrades without choosing it.
[10:31] <Kajover> so what do i have to do to switch from this daily to the stable branch, the official release of 13.10 when it comes out?
[10:32] <Kajover> is the software updater going to notify me or do i need to dist-upgrade (terminal) or reinstall?
[10:32] <Kajover> or upgrade with the usb stick in live mode
[10:32] <wilee-nilee> Kajover, update/upgrade and on release it will be the release, stable is a misnomer it is an opinion, what you think is stable maynot be to others.
[10:32] <seriously_random> !radeon
[10:33] <Kajover> ok thank you. i understood now
[10:33] <brendand> wilee-nilee, stable is not a misnomer. 'stable' as in the code doesn't change except by a strictly defined process
[10:33] <brendand> wilee-nilee, not stable as in 'won't crash'
[10:33] <wilee-nilee> that is your opinion
[10:34] <brendand> wilee-nilee, not really - that's what a stable branch means
[10:35] <BluesKaj> if it crashes it's effectively not stable , definitions or no
[10:35] <wilee-nilee> try telling that to those that have problems, the problem is that stable has a different definition for different people. It is to broad a statement, it sounds nice but does not play out that way for everyone.
[10:36] <wilee-nilee> people tweak away, if it was a vanilla install, you might be able to claim stability
[10:36] <BluesKaj> stable branch is just a name
[10:36] <wilee-nilee> exactly
[10:36] <wilee-nilee> not a belief, lol
[10:36] <brendand> BluesKaj, yes - a name with a meaning
[10:37] <wilee-nilee> in yhour mind
[10:37] <BluesKaj> for those who wrote the code perhaps
[10:37] <brendand> or those who write code full stop
[10:38] <wilee-nilee> and code is founds to contain weaknesses, usually in security so you than see updates, nothing is perfect.
[10:39] <brendand> nobodies saying it is
[10:39] <BluesKaj> bred well, ask the guy who uses stable branch that crashes , he foes to #ubuntu for support , ask him what stable means ?
[10:39] <brendand> that's exactly the point i'm trying to make - stable doesn't mean perfect in this instance
[10:40] <BluesKaj> brendand,^
[10:40] <brendand> BluesKaj, well if somebody has told him it's 'stable' he might assume it means it won't break
[10:41] <BluesKaj> of course
[10:41] <brendand> BluesKaj, so terminology like 'stable branch' shouldn't be used on end-users
[10:41] <BluesKaj> doesn't make it so , brendand
[10:41] <wilee-nilee> that was my point, the definition of stable is going to vary with users, and should be carefully used as a term
[10:42] <brendand> BluesKaj, that doesn't mean as engineers we shouldn't be allowed to use perfectly suitable terminology to describe the point when a code branch is subject to no (or restricted) change
[10:42] <brendand> wilee-nilee, officially it is not called 'stable', it's called 'released'
[10:42] <BluesKaj> perhaps stable branch should be defined on the DL site or documentation , I haven't checked
[10:43] <wilee-nilee> brendand, Heh now you are arguing with yourself that is what I said basically, I never claimed any stability anywhere.
[10:43] <brendand> BluesKaj, if you find it on any ubuntu.com page please point it out
[10:43] <brendand> BluesKaj, use of the term 'stable'
[10:44] <BluesKaj> like I said , brendand , I haven't checked
[10:44] <brendand> wilee-nilee, i'm really not arguing with myself. my only point was that stable is a term with a particular meaning and it's not an 'opinion' when used properly
[10:45] <brendand> wilee-nilee, when used improperly of course it will cause confusion
[10:45] <Kajover> another question.. where can i set up the fingerprint login?
[10:45] <wilee-nilee> I have rarely had a problem with ubuntu since dapper, in my version of reality I could say it's stable, however I don't think of it that way, I just use it.
[10:46] <wilee-nilee> to many variables to use stable properly in the real world, in my opinion.
[10:47] <brendand> wilee-nilee, i'd prefer to use a term like 'reliable', 'robust' or 'high-quality' to describe that kind of stable
[10:48] <brendand> wilee-nilee, there are no alternative meanings with those
[10:48] <wilee-nilee> Kajover, Not sure, you still enjoying linux, lol. ;)
[10:48] <BluesKaj> 12.04 had probs with ubquity , and it seems solved by 13.10 , but not for everyone , and it is a mystery
[10:49] <Kajover> ;)
[10:51] <wilee-nilee> brendand, The problem is that with any real statistics that are double blind empirical these are just statements, and wont play out for everyone is all. Some will not realize this and have problems, our minds tend to think in dichotomies, it is the area between these two points that have to  be realized.
[10:51] <wilee-nilee> without*
[10:52] <brendand> wilee-nilee, precisely - i hate it when people claim 'reliability' in software
[10:52] <wilee-nilee> ;)
[10:53] <brendand> wilee-nilee, eventually you'll be made to look stupid if you make such claims
[10:53] <BluesKaj> descritpive absolutes have no place in Linux OSs
[10:55] <brendand> BluesKaj, but of course the software has to be promoted somehow, so at some point descriptive absolutes do get used
[10:56] <brendand> BluesKaj, i just think 'reliable' is the worst one since that tends to be the hardest to measure and the most likely to proven to be wrong
[10:57] <BluesKaj> weii. reliable isn't an absolute , that's for sure :)
[10:58] <wilee-nilee> just vague enough to be safe, hehe
[13:22] <waldenista> Can anyone use networking? Every time I try to use the sharing option it crashes.
[13:24] <philinux> waldenista: you might try here too. http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=427
[13:24] <waldenista> thanks
[13:24] <waldenista> will give it a try
[13:25] <waldenista> I know it's beta, so not really complaining
[13:25] <philinux> waldenista: when you say networking I can see my network shared printer
[13:26] <waldenista> I mean...when I go in Files...click on say Music folder, Sharing Options, Click Share this folder, install service, ...crash every time.
[13:29] <philinux> waldenista: hang on i'll try and install it
[13:30] <waldenista> Alright
[13:30] <philinux> waldenista: same here. Sharing service installation has failed. Would you like to retry the installation?
[13:30] <waldenista> Hopefully it can get fixed before release
[13:31] <philinux> waldenista: it's reporting the problem. maybe there's a bug reoprt
[13:32] <waldenista> I reported it also. Hopefully enough people have the issue for them to pay attention. Without this, my 'real' system doesn't get updated.
[13:33] <philinux> have you a link to the bug I'll me too it
[13:33] <waldenista> hold on...
[13:34] <waldenista> sorry reported it and told system not to bother me about it again...no link
[13:35] <philinux> can you remember the title I'll find it
[13:38] <philinux> waldenista: you could install samba manually from synaptic or terminal
[13:41] <philinux> waldenista: I installed samba and I can now share folders
[13:41] <waldenista> Alright...please, steps in what you did?
[13:42] <philinux> waldenista: sudo apt-get install samba
[13:42] <philinux> the bug must be with nautilus. whats you launchpad username I'll find the bug
[13:44] <waldenista> my username is jmenzie
[13:47] <waldenista> great now networking works...thanks you so much
[13:51] <philinux> waldenista: looks like you didn't report it https://bugs.launchpad.net/~jmenzie/+bugs?orderby=-id&start=0
[13:52] <waldenista> thought I did...anyway for me to still report it or since I checked don't bother me about the bug it's gone
[13:53] <philinux> waldenista: ok i'll report it then
[13:59] <genii> After yesterdays round of updates... Cannot ctrl-alt-Functionkey to any tty from lightdm
[14:00] <BluesKaj> uhoh
[14:01] <BluesKaj> genii, that's not good , how do we rescue ourselves in an X bind
[14:01] <BluesKaj> use the recovery kernel to get to the root p-rompt I guess
[14:04] <genii> BluesKaj: It's normally how I run apt-get dist-upgrade every day
[14:05] <BluesKaj> ok genii , so you don't bother with the terminal , smaller chance of breakage or ?
[14:06] <genii> BluesKaj: Because I normally run it it like: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get -y dist-upgrade && sudo sync && sudo shutdown -r now  .... so if I do that from Konsole then next boot it complains about all the apps that were open crashing, etc
[14:07] <genii> Could someone else running Kubuntu confirm this behaviour?
[14:07] <BluesKaj> genii, sudo apt-get -y dist-upgrade , what's the -y do ?
[14:08] <genii> BluesKaj: Answers "Yes" when confirmation is asked about a change
[14:08] <BluesKaj> genii, I'll logout and try to get a tty
[14:08]  * BluesKaj nods , thanks genii
[14:08] <BluesKaj> ok , here gors
[14:15]  * genii sips his coffee and ponders bellybutton lint
[14:16] <BluesKaj> tty login works ok here , genii , kubuntu beta 2 , up to date as of 30 m ins ago.
[14:18] <genii> BluesKaj: OK, thanks. I updated from tty last night about 7pm. Probably something changed in between. I'll do a dist-upgrade from in the desktop then reboot and see
[14:20] <BluesKaj> ok genii , good luck :)
[14:24] <BluesKaj> genii, KDE 4.11.2 ?
[14:28] <philinux> genii: i'd loose the -y as you never know what dist-upgrade will remove. Best to looks see first
[14:54] <genii> BluesKaj: KDE Development Platform: 4.11.2, yes
[14:54] <genii> My boss keeps coming down today
[14:56] <BluesKaj> ok well work comes first
[14:57] <genii> Ok, updates done, back in a bit
[15:06] <genii> OK, works again.
[15:06] <BluesKaj> good
[15:15] <johnjohn101> oh no, no mir
[15:24] <BluesKaj> johnjohn101, ismir strictly for unity or all ubuntu destops like gnome and cinnamon ?
[15:25] <BluesKaj> not kde , we already know that
[15:26] <johnjohn101> just the announcement that mir won't be the default in 13.10.  must not be ready with two weeks to go
[15:27] <BluesKaj> ok , still experimental , for the adventurous and testers I suppose
[16:09] <genii> Meh. Firefox choked on some Flash and locked ( not new ). But after closing the browser, won't start again now.
[16:16]  * genii decides to reboot
[17:32] <genii> Still no love from Firefox
[17:36] <waldenista> In the Dash, the twitter lens does not save the choice of messages only after logout or reboot. In the Music lens. I want all my music to show up not just what I play.
[17:36] <brainwash> genii: does it lock forever? maybe it's just the 45sec timeout for the plugin-container to recover or terminate
[17:36] <genii> brainwash: Forget locking. It won't even start.
[17:37] <genii> ( even after a reboot)
[17:37] <brainwash> tried to start it from a terminal window?
[17:37] <brainwash> it may print some error messag(s)
[18:33] <Ian_Corne> 110,000 miljard koekjes
[18:52] <genii> brainwash: Just (process:2853): GLib-CRITICAL **: g_slice_set_config: assertion 'sys_page_size == 0' failed      and then back to command prompt
[19:06] <trism> genii: looks like https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=833117
[19:07] <trism> might try with: G_SLICE=always-malloc firefox; to see if it starts
[19:11] <trism> though I get the same error in unity but firefox still starts here, so might not be related
[19:13] <genii> Interesting. ps aux shows it but no window comes up.
[19:14] <genii> Need reboot, back shortly
[19:26] <genii> trism: Works with the environment modified for the G_SLICE, it came up this time after boot complaining about what crashed session to restore .
[20:58] <Sander^Lap> Thanks for putting out the beta of 13.10. It's the only distro which works with my new samsung 9 series with radeon hd 8250/8280g
[20:58] <Sander^Lap> *version*
[21:32] <waldenisata> Where do I post feature request? The icon where you restart you computer, about computer, etc, was red. I had no idea why. finally I clicked on on-line accounts and there was a request for permission. Shouldn't there be a rollover pop up or something so the user don't restart system or think something else wrong.
[22:51] <pepee> something got messed up in proposed or something? :/
[22:52] <pepee> apt-get installed lots of packages yesterday (related to gcc and x32), and now it wants to remove lots of :i386 packages...
[22:55] <trism> pepee: not a good idea to run -proposed in +1
[22:55] <pepee> I know :P
[22:59] <pepee> I'l just update at night, when everything is calm...