=== thumper-afk is now known as thumper [03:50] Good morning [05:01] good morning [05:05] you are all up early :) [06:22] hah [08:04] ahoy [08:06] good morning desktopers [08:06] hey Laney [08:06] how are you? [08:09] seb128: not bad thanks, although it's tipping it down with rain :-( [08:09] you? [08:09] I'm good thanks [08:09] it's nice and sunny outside here [08:09] hah === alf_ is now known as alf|xmir_devel [08:15] we couldn't be bothered to bring the laundry in yesterday :P [08:17] that looks like a mistake today I guess? ;-) [08:17] it certainly does [08:18] oh yay, we got gstreamer [08:18] huzzah [08:18] seems so indeed [08:19] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/saucy-changes/2013-October/011525.html [08:19] rsalveti mangled the changelog :P [08:19] (thanks for uploading it) [08:19] who uploaded? [08:19] (not me) [08:20] oh, rsalveti [08:20] some days I forgot he has upload rights ;-) [08:20] seems there was another merge anyway [08:20] good, we got a settings upload as well [08:20] nice busy changelog [08:20] rsalveti: you should upload merges with -v btw [08:21] yeah, that's nice too [08:21] maybe we'll even get an image with working tz [08:21] 8 different commiters listed [08:21] go settings team ;-) [08:22] @image with working tz... yeah, once they manage to ack an image [08:22] seb128: Error: "image" is not a valid command. [08:22] meetingology, shup up stupid bot [08:22] seb128: Error: "shup" is not a valid command. [08:22] shut [08:26] seb128: Error: "shut" is not a valid command. [08:27] * seb128 kicks ogra_ [08:27] :) [08:27] stupid bot [08:27] oh, sorry :p [08:27] haha [08:27] ogra_, guten tag, wie gehts? ;-) [08:27] moin moin :) [08:27] gut [08:27] sonnig hier :) [08:28] here as well! [08:28] not in u.k though, according to Laney [08:29] bah [08:29] you'll have your turn :P [08:30] didrocks, so, I did the error to exit the download settings' panel while it was download, since then every time I re-enter it, it keeps spinning "checking for updates" in an endless way ... bug on our side on or the service side? [08:30] seb128: the UI is so dummy that I would say the service side [08:31] seb128: if it's spinning, it's getting no signal feedback from the service [08:31] (after the request is done) [08:31] didrocks, ok, thanks === vrruiz_ is now known as rvr [09:24] mdeslaur, ping? [09:27] mhr3, he's in .ca, it's like 5am for him [09:27] mhr3, e.g try again in some hours [09:28] seb128, realized now... anyone else from security? [09:28] * mhr3 doesn't see chriscoulson [09:28] mhr3, you can try chriscc [09:28] yeah... tab completion fail :p [09:28] try #ubuntu-hardening [09:28] try #ubuntu-hardener [09:28] or whatever they channel is called [09:28] neither :) [09:29] #join #ubuntu-hardened [09:30] almost :) [09:30] bah, I was close :p [09:46] hm I should be more careful opening libreoffice docs in a bug where it notices it crashes xserver [10:17] seb128: mpt_: http://ubuntuone.com/0b8BFGrg26HdZtIHzHXeUm [10:17] I don't know how to fix the slight misalignment of the uncategorised entries right now [10:17] that's pre-existing [10:18] and actually you can't tell on the device because they're not on the screen at the same time :P [10:19] Laney, looks ok to me, I still think the margins are a bit much and that it would look nicer with 4 icons ... but we probably need a better screen resolution and that's going to be solved ;-) === mpt_ is now known as mpt [10:20] Laney, agreed with seb128 [10:20] Either 4 per row, or larger icons [10:20] sigh [10:21] But yes, it does look better [10:22] * mpt guesses Laney is a wee bit tired of tweaking margins [10:23] david cameron is brightening this work up [10:23] * Laney coughs [10:26] * Laney tries one last time [10:26] With some nice red rectangles to show you how big the items really are [10:53] desktoppers: what handles non free driver installs in ubuntu these days? [10:56] Riddell, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-drivers-common/ [10:57] Riddell, the frontend part in Unity is in software-properties-gtk [11:06] seb128: hmm interesting, thanks [11:07] yw === MacSlow is now known as MacSlow|lunch [11:27] huh, I got four on the screen [11:28] seb128: mpt: http://ubuntuone.com/5Alpd5ysmYQsWDu7Uoy9Mw [11:28] I hope you can see past the rectangles ;-) [11:30] Laney, I can see only rectangles :p [11:30] heh [11:30] Laney, but looks like it should be fine to me [11:30] ;-) [11:32] mhr3: hi, what's up? [11:33] mdeslaur, hey, read the hardened backlog I guess, ssl question [11:33] mdeslaur, morning, already pinged chris in #ubuntu-hardened [11:34] mhr3: ah, cool [12:17] Laney, do you know if GPS was descoped for v1? [12:18] seb128: pretty sure [12:19] Laney, btw I see that mpt just edited the design this morning, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeAndDate?action=diff&rev2=78&rev1=77 [12:19] yes I pinged him to prompt that [12:19] did you see the MP? [12:19] oh ok [12:19] yes, I was just surprised that you said the design was already covering that [12:19] but I didn't see it the other day [12:19] and I saw it was updated ;-) [12:20] yeah [12:20] don't know when it was added [12:20] https://docs.google.com/a/canonical.com/document/d/1Anaxk4gaIjAJYdgpKICwxRpEinCVprIHl01sOGDaCFs/edit [12:20] location -> defer [12:20] ok [12:20] the indicator's actions weren't hooked up to anything last I checked [12:21] which was when I did the stuff in battery [12:21] pinged ricmm and he told me to check with tvoss who I haven't seen online since [12:21] Laney, tvoss is on holidays until next week [12:21] guessed that [12:21] so probably not going to happen [12:21] hmm, my arm board seemed to have hung itself ... if you pinged me in the last 24 hours, please reping. [12:21] Laney, mpt: if we don't have location, I guess we should hide the label at the bottom of https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Power?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=phone-battery-settings.png ? [12:22] seb128, indeed [12:22] mpt, thanks, doing that [12:23] tie it to the visibility of the location checkbox [12:23] then it'll automatically hide even when enabled if you have no support for it [12:23] Laney, right [12:24] Laney, by location you mean GPS right? [12:24] whatever the one in there is [12:25] it's GPS [12:25] which is what the label mentions anyway [12:25] doing that [12:25] maybe it could check for a location backend instead of just gps hardware [12:25] either is fine for now imo [12:26] Laney, well, if we want to handle cases with location without GPS we need to update the text anyway [12:26] let's just do it the simple thing and tide it to the GPS control [12:26] k [12:26] we can be smarter later if needed [12:26] You'll just get "inaccurate" location detection [12:29] Laney, the "display only the line you clicked on as selected" seems a bit inconsistant, since that's not what you get when reopening the panel [12:29] well, I guess that's ok [12:29] yes [12:29] I think that's the idea [12:32] Laney, "property int n: 4" ... is that the number of columns? [12:33] it's the "factor" [12:33] the relative spacing of the columns to each other vs. the margins to the grid [12:33] if that makes sense [12:33] yeah, reading the code comment again, it does [12:33] doesn't really make a difference as the boxes themselves dominate the size really [12:34] but when we get coloured backgrounds it might make it easier to tweak stuff [12:34] so you fixed the size of the item [12:34] I guess that makes sense [12:35] I capped the width of the label [12:35] and set the width of the grid to be the width of the items [12:35] so that it can be horizontally centred [12:35] * seb128 tests build [12:36] let me know [12:36] * Laney lunches [12:36] Laney, enjoy! [13:30] Laney: seems to be working fine, just had to do another upload/merge because I got a power (big-endian) specific ftbfs [13:30] had to create a FFe and such, but seems we're happy now === m_conley_away is now known as m_conley [13:41] rsalveti: yep, thanks for that [13:41] I saw some people complaining about it ;-) [13:41] oh rsalveti is back ;) [13:41] RUN [13:42] rsalveti, HIDE [13:42] oh, Laney is back === MacSlow|lunch is now known as MacSlow [13:42] I replaced myself with a bot [13:42] :) [13:43] Laney, nice try [13:43] Laney, soooo, your grid changes... [13:47] Laney, it looks fine on a phone, but a bit weird on width layout (e.g portrait mode) [13:47] Laney, do you think it would make sense to left align the icons rather than center those? [13:47] Laney, e.g like https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SystemSettings?action=AttachFile&do=view&target=phone-settings-landscape.png [13:48] Laney, well, it's a detail, rotation doesn't even seem to be working atm on my n7 [13:48] Laney, I'm happy to merge the current code and revisit what to do in portrait next cycle [13:48] I think you mean landscape [13:49] Sweetshark_: http://lists.x.org/archives/xorg-devel/2013-October/037996.html -- enjoy [13:49] Not sure, should be easy to change back if we have to though [13:49] Laney, yes, sorry [13:49] one of the original complaints was having different margins on each side [13:50] so ... [13:51] yeah, and it looks good on normal layout [13:51] landscape just means lot of extra spaces on the side [13:51] oh, well, I'm happy enough, acking that one ;-) [13:51] Laney, thanks for the patience on this one! [13:51] np, thanks for feedback [13:51] hum, CI unhappy [13:51] oh, commit message [13:52] let me fix that while approving [13:52] wooops [13:52] Laney, oh, and yeah, maybe a bit less width on the default geometry would be nicer ... do you want to do that before I ack it? [13:53] does it definitely get ignored on the phone? [13:53] yes, we are fullscreen on the devices [13:54] ok, trying 40 [13:55] looks good, pushed [13:57] Laney, launchpad doesn't think you pushed [13:57] oh, wrong branch remembered [13:57] * Sweetshark_ gives mlankhorst a hug! [13:58] done [13:58] Sweetshark_, mlankhorst: seems like we should upload that fix to saucy/sru it [14:00] mlankhorst: I tried to triage down to the exact shape that is causing it, but didnt complete it. Does LibreOffice give invalid shapes to X11 or should Xorg handle that in theory? [14:00] Laney, weird, launchpad doesn't seem to pick those commit ... maybe it's being slow [14:03] seb128: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6183947/ ... [14:03] Laney, https://code.launchpad.net/~laney/ubuntu-system-settings/size-layout-tweaks/+merge/188823 doesn't list it [14:03] lp says updating diff [14:03] wtf [14:04] and the branch page says "Updating branch..." [14:04] I guess something is happening [14:04] ok, just slowness I guess [14:04] let's wait a bit [14:05] seb128: branching got me it [14:05] so you can at least check it that way [14:05] also, did you forget my critical fix mp? [14:05] oh, yeah, sorry [14:05] looking to that one as well [14:07] I noticed the total size is wrong on my nexus 4 too :( [14:07] it shows 2.1 GB [14:10] :-( [14:10] it works fine on desktop and on the n7 [14:10] yep [14:11] Laney, btw my small battery fix from this morning should be good to review (there was no bug after all) [14:13] roger, will look in a minute [14:13] building a test program for this issue [14:16] Sweetshark_: according to the spec it's invalid === Ursinha_ is now known as Ursinha [14:17] seb128: report from bleeding-edge land: don't upgrade to bluez5 :p === desrt_ is now known as desrt [14:17] oh i could have told you that [14:17] things break badly with pulseaudio at least ;D [14:18] desrt, thanks for the headup, I already had that one on my "stay away from" list ;-) [14:18] seb128: well I'll put it in saucy, but hoping for a reply from upstream first [14:18] also: no support in NM for DUN internet connections [14:18] mlankhorst, thanks [14:20] desrt, that sucks :/ [14:20] desrt, bluez4 and 5 not being co-installable is going to make that transition "fun" in any case [14:20] desrt, GNOME is the only desktop that ported their stuff afaik [14:21] prematurely, in my opinion [14:21] but that's sort of what GNOME does [14:21] right [14:21] fedora users suffer for the benefit of the long-term good :p [14:21] which is why I'm glad we decide to stay once cycle behind [14:21] decided [14:21] one [14:22] I'm not sure how GNOME could handle those transition better [14:22] then should have a preview mode, like for wayland [14:22] rather than half land stuff [14:25] hmm [14:25] seb128: well, gnome will work with bluez4, i think [14:25] userdata gets "unknown" type on mako [14:25] at least NM will [14:25] maybe we could just count those anyway [14:25] fedora just decided to go crazy with bluez5 and break all the things [14:25] which, again, is good in the longrun.... [14:25] seb128: would it be too late to grab some fixes from fedora for xserver? [14:26] mlankhorst: no, fix away [14:26] mlankhorst, bug fixes are still fine this week [14:27] desrt, it's not that easy, GNOME ported their code to bluez5 and didn't keep ifdef codepaths for bluez4 [14:27] desrt, e.g https://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-control-center/commit/?id=ac43647ac01cb990555c7b4ff7b8bf5fb8b17b83 [14:27] neat. [14:28] * desrt hates those kind of #defines [14:28] desrt, of course that's an easy one, others are like https://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-bluetooth/commit/?id=0b0534924fb5ea781195e116a7dfbf956d16379c [14:28] desrt, or https://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-bluetooth/commit/?id=1755d1bd2c35443792e157de3fc8d2972849e1ce [14:28] ya [14:29] it's clear this falls on the heads of the release team [14:30] to the future!!! [14:30] i'm sure NM will eventually get caught up === greyback_ is now known as greyback|shops [14:38] attente, hey [14:38] hi seb128 [14:38] attente, how are you? [14:38] i'm good and you? [14:38] good thanks [14:39] attente, so, I've been trying the language setting on the n7, now that lightdm/logind are there [14:39] attente, it seems to still not be working ... do you know offhand what backend is used (I think to remember it's something in accountsservice) and what file on disk should get updated when you pick a language? [14:39] attente, I'm trying to figure out what's happening/not happening [14:40] seb128, i remember it going through accountsservice and accountsservice in the end is running a helper script to set the LANGUAGE environment [14:41] seb128, i can look into it though [14:41] attente, for the user (e.g ~/.pam_environment) or for the system in /etc? [14:41] attente, that would be nice [14:41] should be in the pam_environment iirc [14:41] ok, that doesn't seem to happen for some reason [14:41] but my memory is fuzzy... [14:41] attente, let me know if you need help debugging [14:47] attente, oh, I know! [14:47] hmm? [14:48] attente, the locales are missing from the touch image, since no langpacks are installed [14:48] attente, [14:48] # /usr/share/language-tools/set-language-helper /home/phablet de_DE [14:48] en [14:48] attente, that seems to be the command that accountsservice call (from stracing the service) [14:48] so how is QLocale getting that list? [14:49] I'm not sure, likely from a static list [14:49] but it doesn't mean the locale is installed/generated [14:50] # locale -a [14:50] C [14:50] C.UTF-8 [14:50] POSIX [14:50] en_AG [14:50] etc [14:50] but only en_ locales [14:51] yep [14:51] .pam_environment [14:51] LANGUAGE=fr_FR:en [14:51] it works once language-pack-fr-base is installed [14:51] which does [14:51] Setting up language-pack-fr-base (1:13.10+20130926) ... [14:51] Generating locales... [14:51] fr_BE.UTF-8... done [14:51] ... [14:52] all the locale you need [14:52] :s [14:52] actually make it fr_NL, we've taken over belgium after they took over france [14:52] :> [14:53] attente, I'm going to comment about that on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-system-settings/+bug/1214417 [14:53] Launchpad bug 1214417 in ubuntu-system-settings "cannot change language" [Undecided,New] [14:53] attente, btw, https://code.launchpad.net/~attente/gnome-control-center/keyboard-layout-panel/+merge/188251 doesn't build [14:53] seb128, thanks [14:53] attente, doh, ignore me [14:53] locale issue [14:53] attente: yes please, ignore him ^ [14:53] :) [14:53] attente, I'm building/review it [14:54] lol [14:54] * didrocks runs :p [14:54] haha [14:54] sorry for doing live debugging/thoughts dump on the channel ;-) [14:55] seb128, keep an eye on /etc/environment ... its full of mess on touch (including hardcoded locale and language settings) [14:56] ogra_, right, the tools write to ~/.pam_environment which is enough to overwrite the locale stuff [14:56] seb128, is there some easy way to make the panel install the correct langpack? [14:56] yeah, but once we have a working solution we need to drop the mess from the mess [14:56] :) [14:56] attente, no, mostly due to the fact that the system is a ro image in touch [14:56] attente, you can't install anything [14:56] ah, right [14:56] attente, that's a known issue, we need to work out an overlay for those [14:56] or preinstall langpacks [14:57] we have plenty of space ... [14:57] 512M is the upper threshod for the image ... we are at 300+something [14:57] ogra_, we should install some langpacks then... [14:58] attente, it might be nice to find a way to limit the list of languages to the available system locales in that context though [14:58] well, talk to pmgowan ... he is the disk-space-watcher :) [14:58] attente, I'm going to file a bug for that [14:58] seb128, sure [15:05] attente, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-system-settings/+bug/1234236 [15:05] Launchpad bug 1234236 in ubuntu-system-settings (Ubuntu) "The languages list should only lists the ones available on the image" [High,Confirmed] [15:07] seb128, thanks [15:10] mterry, hi [15:11] i have the unity-greeter default layout thing working, can you look at this MP: https://code.launchpad.net/~attente/unity-greeter/entry-selected-signal/+merge/188755 [15:12] good [15:12] it just gives the interface a well-known bus name "com.canonical.UnityGreeter" [15:12] and adds a method and signal [15:12] attente, hello [15:17] attente, we didn't want a well-known name because in some configurations, multiple greeters can exist. We export the unique bus name as a variable for indicators... hold on, let me find it [15:17] attente, UNITY_GREETER_DBUS_NAME [15:17] mterry, ah, sorry, i didn't realize that === greyback|shops is now known as greyback [15:17] i'll use it [15:24] mterry, Are you using unity-greeter-session-broadcast, or is that also a v2 feature now? [15:34] tedg, I added some support in unity8 trunk for listening to the ShowHome signal, because it was useful for QA purposes. But the rest of its integration will land with the split greeter [15:34] tedg, but it's not on the image for example [15:35] mterry, Okay, so the new upstart breaks it, but I think we're good :-) [15:35] tedg, heh [16:19] attente, I'm assuming you tested the new signal and it worked fine for you? [16:24] mterry, yep, everything still works [16:26] attente, awesome [16:29] how do you restart indicator-messages-service ? [16:31] does it auto spawn? [16:32] hmm nvm i guess, sry for the bother [16:40] mlankhorst: ping? [16:42] ah [16:42] I think I see the bug in QStorageInfo::driveType [16:43] the implementation makes my eyes hurt [16:50] https://qt.gitorious.org/qt/qtsystems/source/26ed19484e85fb814d2735fa4a98f1ad4c51199b:src/systeminfo/linux/qstorageinfo_linux.cpp#L256 [16:50] this breaks if you have more than 9 partitions [16:55] attente, this will need a UIFe too I think [16:55] mterry, the default layout in unity-greeter? [16:55] attente, no the keyboard switch in general [16:56] attente, doesn't it change how the indicator looks in the greeter (thus affecting screenshots?) [16:56] mterry, yes, but that's not covered by the FFe? [16:56] attente, I guess it's probably assumed by the FFe, but it means that we should notify ubuntu-doc mailing list [16:57] mterry, ok [16:57] i will file one right now [16:57] attente, maybe don't need to file [16:57] attente, just send email [16:58] attente, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FreezeExceptionProcess [16:58] attente, under UserInterfaceFreeze [16:58] it has links [16:58] mterry, thanks, i'll email and cc you [17:00] attente, awesome. I'm doing final testing on unity-greeter, then will release once your indicator-keyboard change hits saucy [17:02] mterry, great, thanks! [17:21] uh, modem-manager is ancient :/ [17:22] modemmanager that is [17:23] 0.6.0 while 1.0.0 was released in july [17:25] tjaalton, check with cyphermox if there is a reason [17:26] probably network-manager, which is probably blocked by something else [17:26] oh well [17:28] seb128: Hi Sebastien! [17:29] seb128: I have the impression that the im-config control in language-selector is now a no-op in Ubuntu. If that's the case, I suppose it should be hidden. At the same time, I assume that the im-config control still makes sense in Xubuntu and Lubuntu, and if so we should keep showing it in those derivatives. Your thoughts? [17:29] well, ModemManager was blocked by the fact that KDE stuff wasn't ready for the API change [17:34] tjaalton: ^ [17:34] I think that's fixed now, I just didn't get the time to update MM [17:35] * didrocks waves good evening [17:35] tjaalton: this is also why 0.7.991 is also only in experimental in debian [17:35] GunnarHj, hey, long time we didn't see you online! [17:36] GunnarHj, I'm sorry, I'm not sure if im-config is used or not, I still have a difficult time to wrap my head around that stack and how it works [17:36] seb128: Yeah, mostly due to health issues... [17:36] tjaalton: is there a specific new feature you'd need? [17:36] GunnarHj, happyaron would be a better perso to ask about that [17:37] GunnarHj, he's based in China though, so probably not up at this hour [17:37] GunnarHj, he's (co)maintaining ibus/fctix/im-config [17:37]