[02:36] <Guest10015> Hi
[02:36] <Guest10015> I would like to appeal my ban from #ubuntu-offtopic
[02:49] <Pici> Guest10015: why?
[02:49] <Guest10015> Pici, why what?
[02:49] <Pici> Guest10015: Why do you want to be unbanned?
[02:49] <Guest10015> I was told to take a cooling off period and come back when I felt like I could follow the rules
[02:50] <Guest10015> I think I can do that now
[02:52] <Guest10015> Pici,
[02:52] <Guest10015> ?
[02:52] <Pici> I don't feel comfortable unbanning you at this time.
[02:52] <Guest10015> why
[02:52] <Pici> Your history speaks volumes.
[02:52] <Guest10015> I've changed and I would like a chance to demonstrate that
[02:53] <Guest10015> Pici,
[02:53] <Pici> yes?
[02:54] <Guest10015> I would like a chance to demonstrate that I've changed
[02:54] <Pici> I don't think you have. You've demonstrated the inability to follow simple channel guidelines on a number of occasions, and I have no reason to believe that you will follow through this time.
[02:55] <Guest10015> so at what point do you decide that I will be able to follow the channel guidelines?
[02:55] <Guest10015> How can you know if you don't give me anymore chances
[02:55] <Guest10015> Pici,
[02:56] <Pici> I can infer from your behavior in other non-ubuntu channels that you can't follow their rules.
[02:56] <Guest10015> which channels?
[02:56] <Guest10015> I was behaving just fine in #ubuntu today
[02:58] <Pici> Not really.
[02:58] <Pici> I think we're done here.
[03:00] <Guest10015> how long until i can be unbanned
[03:00] <Guest10015> i miss my irc friends
[03:00] <Guest10015> and the sense of community
[03:11] <Guest10015> Pici,
[03:13] <Guest10015> Pici,
[03:13] <Guest10015> please respond
[03:15] <Guest10015> LjL,
[03:15] <Guest10015> hi
[03:15] <Guest10015> how do i get voice like you?
[15:32] <IdleOne> !nomir is <reply> for more information about why Mir will not be included as default in ubuntu 13.10 see http://fridge.ubuntu.com/2013/10/01/xmir-update-for-ubuntu-13-10/ and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Mir/13.10/NoDefaultQ%26A
[15:33] <genii> Hm.
[15:33] <genii> So they're staying with xorg right now, or wayland, or what?
[15:33] <IdleOne> with X yeah
[15:34] <Pici> k1l_: heh
[15:34] <k1l_> i think its sad. mir/xmir could need some testing before 14.04 gets lts
[15:35] <IdleOne> you can test it, it just won't be default
[15:35] <k1l_> im not talking about the devs testing it. i mean that the bright usergroup could test it
[15:36] <IdleOne> they can
[15:36] <IdleOne> it is already in the 13.10 repos
[15:37] <IdleOne> should try reading those links :)
[15:37] <IdleOne> the second link specifically
[15:38] <k1l_> IdleOne: i know
[15:38] <IdleOne> ok so I don't understand what you mean then
[15:38] <k1l_> but i mean that not only the few voluntary testers help with bug reports but all the users.
[15:39] <k1l_> there are alot of different setups and usecases that get not tested if its not default, imho
[15:39] <IdleOne> testing should be done by users who are aware of the possible lack of features and shiny. Not by all the users who then yell and scream how Ubuntu and Canonical suck because they shipped something that wasn't near ready for primetime
[15:40] <IdleOne> I see this is one of the first responsible moves Canonical has done in a while.
[15:40] <k1l_> im talking about making it from stable to rocksolid
[15:40] <genii> Heh
[15:40] <k1l_> i dont want to spread alpha software as default
[15:41]  * k1l_ afk
[15:46] <Myrtti> so tempted to say "so is Dumbledore"
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[21:20] <bazhang> troll detected
[21:24] <genii> bazhang: I got to go do some work, so won't be around to boot if required
[21:25] <bazhang> :)
[21:34] <IdleOne> I don't like the answer you gave me so I will ignore it and repeat my question
[21:37] <bazhang> we need 3D blinking ascii in such cases
[21:40]  * genii ponders no, list is <reply> Ciao! This is not a file sharing channel (or network); read the channel topic. If you need information about me, type « /msg ubottu !bot ». If searching for a channel, see « /msg ubottu !alis ». Per l'italiano, fare riferimento al !it
[21:41] <IdleOne> That idea has been suggested before and refused
[21:42] <IdleOne> in +1 did waldenista join twice with the same nick. I did not see them leave befoee the second join
[21:42] <genii> IdleOne: I guess it makes it look like we're picking on the Italians :-/
[21:42] <IdleOne> now my client says he left the channel but he is still there
[21:43] <IdleOne> genii: it does
[21:43] <IdleOne> oh, nevermind diff. nicks
[21:44] <LjL> genii: well are you? yes i'm asking you, are you?
[21:44] <genii> Hehehe
[21:44] <genii> LjL: It's only ever really the Italians that are using the !list so.... probably, yes
[21:46] <LjL> genii: still, whatever these people are interested in, it's not Ubuntu support, be it in English or Italian, so !it doesn't really help a whole lot
[21:46] <LjL> and the -it folks wouldn't really be happy at us redirecting those people there, at all
[21:47] <genii> Ah, good point.
[22:00] <Unit193> IdleOne: I don't think it's considered "picking on" if they're pretty much the only ones that *ever* call it.  Just a more proper target.  It's not picking on when you do !es is it? ;)
[22:02] <genii> We might as well just alias !hola to !es .... <runs away>
[22:30] <IdleOne> the point is that people who egt sent the !warez trigger are not looking for ubuntu support and targeting Italians because the majority happen to be Italian is not right
[22:31] <IdleOne> get*
[22:31] <IdleOne> dinner
[22:32] <genii> We, guess I should get headed home, face-off is like 40 minutes from now