| === lubotu3` is now known as lubotu3 | ||
| ukcouple | Hi | 05:42 |
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| Wobbo | After a while, 4/5 month, 13.04 is getting slow, very slow. Starting up en logging in is no problem. But then, stuff like Nautilus, Chrome and the systemsetting CMS i s sloff. I have a Intel i5 Core, 8gig ram, Ubuntu 13.04 64b.... | 06:56 |
| Wobbo | Any tips? | 06:56 |
| MooDoo | morning all | 07:01 |
| AlanBell | morning | 07:30 |
| MooDoo | Morning Alan | 07:30 |
| popey | Yes | 07:31 |
| popey | That | 07:31 |
| MooDoo | Morning Alans :) | 07:33 |
| AlanBell | ah bother, I can't make the release party :( | 07:36 |
| AlanBell | http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-uk/2555-saucy-salamander-release-party/ | 07:36 |
| MooDoo | me neither :( | 07:37 |
| MooDoo | ooooo i want a ubuntu member cert, only problem is I'm not an ubuntu member, they look purty though :) | 07:41 |
| AlanBell | they are :) | 07:41 |
| MooDoo | :p | 07:41 |
| MooDoo | might have to look at becoming one then :) lol | 07:41 |
| AlanBell | document your awesome contributions to Ubuntu and you too can have one | 07:41 |
| MooDoo | alas me being awesome in here is the only contribution I currently make :) | 07:42 |
| AlanBell | woah, no xmir | 07:42 |
| MooDoo | yup, not ready | 07:43 |
| diddledan | no xmir? | 07:43 |
| AlanBell | https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2013-October/037695.html | 07:43 |
| MooDoo | Don't blame them to be honest, if it's not ready it's not ready... | 07:43 |
| AlanBell | that is a bit of a last minute trip | 07:43 |
| diddledan | dang | 07:44 |
| MooDoo | Don't think it's going to make a difference if it's not in this version is it? | 07:45 |
| AlanBell | well it will be in, but not turned on by default | 07:45 |
| diddledan | the problem is it means that 14.04 won't have such extensive background testing of the xmir stack from all the users of 13.10 | 07:46 |
| AlanBell | in theory 14.04 should be using unity 8 and native Mir stuff | 07:47 |
| diddledan | aah | 07:47 |
| AlanBell | rather than the strange xmir thing | 07:47 |
| AlanBell | well actually some xmir stuff might be kicking about in 14.04 as well for some applications in a way I don't really understand | 07:47 |
| AlanBell | the xmir fullscreen stuff always seemed pointless to me, however on the plus side, this means that 13.10 will be pretty solid, it is what I am using now | 07:48 |
| popey | Or LTS could be bumped to 14.10 | 07:50 |
| AlanBell | surprised it wasn't mentioned in the technical board meeting yesterday | 07:53 |
| bigcalm | Good morning peeps :) | 08:13 |
| JamesTait | Good morning all; happy Farm Animals Day! :-D | 08:16 |
| popey | moo | 08:17 |
| diddledan | oink | 08:21 |
| DJones | Baa | 08:25 |
| MooDoo | nayyyyyyyyy | 08:25 |
| * DJones puts a saddle on MooDoo | 08:26 | |
| MooDoo | DJones: ride em cowboy.......errr | 08:28 |
| diddledan | DJones, MooDoo: that makes my perverted mind go to bad places | 08:28 |
| DJones | Now theres an idea, I've got the right boots, coat & hat, now, where did I put the whip | 08:28 |
| DJones | Ooh Er Mother | 08:29 |
| * diddledan grins mischeivously | 08:29 | |
| MooDoo | noooooooooooooooooooo | 08:39 |
| JamesTait | I think I'm going to be a duck today. | 08:45 |
| diddledan | yey | 08:46 |
| MooDoo | JamesTait: snap, a aqua planing duck :) | 08:46 |
| JamesTait | MooDoo, that almost sounds like a release codename. ;) | 08:46 |
| MooDoo | maybe for next time round. Code name for A is Aquaplaneing Duck | 08:47 |
| shauno | I read that as 'planning' several times, until I finally figured out where I was going wrong | 08:47 |
| popey | maybe he's planning a pond | 08:47 |
| MooDoo | yeah I can't spell this early in the morning | 08:48 |
| MooDoo | actually has T been announced yet, speaking of release names? | 08:49 |
| shauno | nah I think you got it right. I just haven't had enough coffee to deal with scheming ducks just yet | 08:49 |
| AlanBell | MooDoo: nope, the last few were announced on release day (which messes up some packages that require the next release name in them) | 08:50 |
| MooDoo | excellent planning that | 08:51 |
| DJones | MooDoo: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DevelopmentCodeNames Some interesting suggestions listed | 08:51 |
| diddledan | MooDoo: I vote for the tenacious tamarin | 08:51 |
| MooDoo | http://a-z-animals.com/animals/pictures/T/ | 08:51 |
| diddledan | ah someone's already used tenacious | 08:51 |
| MooDoo | Talkative Toucan | 08:51 |
| diddledan | tweakable tit? (a tit is a bird you disgusting-minded perverts!) | 08:52 |
| MooDoo | tippytoed tapir | 08:52 |
| bashrc | Tipsy Tarantula | 08:53 |
| diddledan | I find it entirely dissatisfying how few double entendres ubuntu has used as codenames | 08:53 |
| MooDoo | well we all know it's going to be obscure :) | 08:53 |
| bigcalm | Touchy Toad | 08:54 |
| shauno | toot toot! | 08:54 |
| bashrc | Tempestuous Terrapin | 08:54 |
| DJones | Maybe they should do a google (eg Android KitKat), pick a food item named after an animal and see if they can get sponsorship from the food producer | 08:56 |
| AlanBell | http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/let-s-start-a-techmums-revolution is interesting, Dr Black of saving Bletchly fame is running it | 08:56 |
| diddledan | DJones: penguin! | 08:57 |
| bigcalm | I think a brand would shout copyright infringement if it were done that way. It's likely that Google sat down with Nestlé for a long time before agreeing the name | 08:57 |
| AlanBell | bigcalm: apparently it was very quick | 08:58 |
| bigcalm | AlanBell: I am surprised | 08:58 |
| Laney | http://www.beerfestival.nottinghamcamra.org/Assets_pdf/Beer_2013_List.pdf | 09:06 |
| Laney | going to be hard to choose! | 09:06 |
| MooDoo | should be good | 09:07 |
| MooDoo | not sure if I'm going this year. | 09:07 |
| Laney | going to be difficult if you don't have a ticket | 09:09 |
| Laney | get down early on the saturday | 09:09 |
| === ormiret_ is now known as ormiret | ||
| MooDoo | Laney: yeah they sold out when I tried to get tickets. | 09:20 |
| Laney | yep :( | 09:20 |
| Laney | Get the Friday off if you can and go down early | 09:21 |
| Laney | that's what we're doing | 09:21 |
| MooDoo | might just have to give it a miss and plan an ubuntu hour for next years ;) | 09:21 |
| Laney | haha | 09:22 |
| MooDoo | Laney: or just bulk buy tickets and have an ubuntu visit to nottingham llke they do darn sarf with the real ale train | 09:22 |
| Laney | Could do that, it's worth travelling for IMO | 09:22 |
| MooDoo | yup | 09:23 |
| MooDoo | might look into that | 09:23 |
| MooDoo | I'm really surprised there hasn't been an ubuntu hour hangout on air ;) | 09:24 |
| MooDoo | Laney: see what happens we talk about beer and nottingham and it all goes quiet :) | 09:47 |
| Laney | sorry I went into an IPA induced trance | 09:47 |
| mungbean | better than an API induced one | 09:48 |
| bigcalm | We need an IPA API | 09:53 |
| Laney | one method: moreIPA(); | 09:55 |
| mungbean | IPA = fusty guts | 09:55 |
| gordonjcp | IPAoIP | 09:58 |
| mgdm | IPAoIPoA (over ATM, like DSL is here...) | 09:59 |
| JamesTait | An IPAoIPoA API? | 09:59 |
| bigcalm | No` gave us beeroverip.org | 09:59 |
| mgdm | and other weirder, frencher things | 10:00 |
| JamesTait | "And another consonant, please, Rachel." | 10:00 |
| bigcalm | Hehe | 10:00 |
| davmor2 | Morning all | 10:03 |
| davmor2 | bigcalm: no lug for me :( too much on | 10:04 |
| AlanBell | JamesTait: no Carol any more? | 10:06 |
| mgdm | hasn't been for years | 10:07 |
| JamesTait | AlanBell, not any more. She's too busy adverising, well, pretty much anything. | 10:07 |
| AlanBell | gosh, since 2008 I haven't watched countdown | 10:07 |
| JamesTait | "I'll have a 'T', please, Bob." | 10:07 |
| AlanBell | and yes, Carol does do too many suspect advertising jobs | 10:08 |
| bigcalm | Rachel is a good reason to watch Strictly Come Dancing this year | 10:08 |
| JamesTait | bigcalm, is she a good dancer then? | 10:08 |
| popey | She is perfect | 10:08 |
| popey | In every way. | 10:08 |
| JamesTait | :D | 10:08 |
| mgdm | bigcalm: or, indeed, Countdown... :-) | 10:08 |
| bigcalm | JamesTait: don't know, haven't watched it yet. I just find her lovely | 10:08 |
| AlanBell | especially the loan adverts, very very sad to see her endorsing high APR loans | 10:09 |
| bigcalm | 8 out of 10 does Countdown is spiffing \o/ | 10:09 |
| JamesTait | bigcalm, +1 | 10:09 |
| mgdm | (while developing set top box apps the TV coicidentally ends up on C4 around 3pm quite a few times) | 10:09 |
| popey | +1 | 10:09 |
| JamesTait | 10/10! Yay! | 10:09 |
| bigcalm | Hehe | 10:10 |
| bigcalm | Suzie is lovely as well | 10:10 |
| MooDoo | Have you seens here on celebrity countdown? She's hilarious on that | 10:10 |
| JamesTait | bigcalm, +1 there too. | 10:12 |
| MooDoo | http://i4.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article420635.ece/ALTERNATES/s615/rachel-riley-countdown-pic-pixel-72748871-420635.jpg - coarrrrrr ;) lol | 10:15 |
| mungbean | have you seen rachel's husband? for such a beauty, he's a very average looking man. did i mention he's a millionaire? | 10:16 |
| mgdm | now now | 10:17 |
| mgdm | :P | 10:17 |
| diddledan | I only watch strictly (yes I watch strictly) because of all the pretty eye-candy :-p | 10:17 |
| diddledan | and anne widdecombe | 10:18 |
| MooDoo | lol | 10:18 |
| * davmor2 pictures diddledan watching strictly while listening to this in the background http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PhfbYtbpNxY | 10:21 | |
| diddledan | lol | 10:23 |
| popey | I only watch Strictly because I have a 10 year old daughter and a wife. | 10:25 |
| popey | I need to buy a new telly for the other room | 10:25 |
| diddledan | popey: ipad | 10:26 |
| brobostigon | i know that feeling from somewhere. | 10:26 |
| diddledan | and catchuptv app | 10:26 |
| brobostigon | soaps included. | 10:26 |
| mungbean | my wife doesn't watch downton , eastenders or strictly, or ITV | 10:26 |
| mungbean | i'm a lucky man | 10:26 |
| MooDoo | thank good ness my daughter is only two, it'll be cancelled by the times she's old enough to appreciate it lol | 10:26 |
| popey | diddledan: can't connect an xbox to an ipad | 10:27 |
| diddledan | lol | 10:27 |
| diddledan | fair enough | 10:27 |
| bigcalm | One for czajkowski http://www.ebay.com/itm/Hot-Fashion-Cat-Face-Tote-Bag-Handbag-Purse-Japan-Muchacha-Ahcahcum-DMH07-/111159460157?pt=US_CSA_WH_Handbags&hash=item19e19ec13d&nma=true&si=6gkk9qYqnlstv9sHymnZ61WXEyY%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557 | 10:27 |
| czajkowski | bigcalm: no! | 10:28 |
| bigcalm | Hehe | 10:28 |
| bigcalm | Amusing that it's listed as a cat face bag | 10:28 |
| * AlanBell is mildly curious about how bigcalm came to find that page | 10:28 | |
| mgdm | google for "things to troll czajkowski with" | 10:28 |
| bigcalm | AlanBell: linked to from an ex-gf's tumblr blog | 10:28 |
| bigcalm | mgdm: ooo, tempting ;) | 10:29 |
| AlanBell | speaking of trolling czajkowski, is it mug night tomorrow? | 10:29 |
| MooDoo | mgdm: is that trollczajkowski.com ? | 10:29 |
| diddledan | someone really thinks that's a cat's face?! | 10:30 |
| diddledan | oh they do two versions | 10:31 |
| diddledan | lol @ Package Content 1 * BAG | 10:32 |
| diddledan | well duh | 10:32 |
| mungbean | when ping packets have quick response, but only get sent every 5 secs instead of 1, is that a dns issue? | 10:32 |
| mungbean | ping -n is quick | 10:34 |
| mungbean | pretty sure it means no reverse lookup | 10:34 |
| diddledan | mungbean: sounds like dns is timing out | 10:36 |
| MooDoo | Numeric output only. No attempt will be made to lookup symbolic names for host addresses. | 10:36 |
| MooDoo | that's what -n is | 10:36 |
| mungbean | forward lookup works, reverse doesn't | 10:36 |
| MooDoo | I'll shut up | 10:37 |
| diddledan | mungbean: dig -x 192.168.0.1 <-- replace with a meaningful ip | 10:37 |
| diddledan | try again with +trace appended | 10:37 |
| diddledan | that will indicate which dns server is failing | 10:37 |
| mungbean | the dns server isn't failing | 10:37 |
| mungbean | its cos the PTR record doesn't exist | 10:38 |
| diddledan | that should return instantly | 10:38 |
| diddledan | it should immediately return NXDOMAIN | 10:39 |
| diddledan | if it's timing out then that's another issue entirely | 10:39 |
| mungbean | ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NXDOMAIN, id: 49227 | 10:40 |
| czajkowski | AlanBell: it is Eliot is speaking | 10:41 |
| AlanBell | cool, and free pizza too :) | 10:44 |
| === michelle is now known as Guest12816 | ||
| BigRedS | I alt-tab and see "free pizza"; what have I missed? | 10:46 |
| AlanBell | mongodb user group tomorrow | 10:48 |
| AlanBell | near silicon roundabout | 10:48 |
| BigRedS | ooh | 10:48 |
| MooDoo | pizza? | 11:00 |
| BigRedS | pizza | 11:00 |
| MooDoo | yum | 11:02 |
| mungbean | popey: how many on the linux jobs mailing nowadays please? | 11:11 |
| mungbean | approx | 11:11 |
| popey | 700 | 11:11 |
| diddledan | 1 of those is me :-) | 11:13 |
| mungbean | thanks. static, or growing you think? | 11:13 |
| mungbean | have a cool job coming up | 11:13 |
| === iahmad_ is now known as iahmad|afk | ||
| popey | you going to post it to the list? | 11:13 |
| mungbean | when its released | 11:14 |
| mungbean | still working on job desc | 11:14 |
| popey | just make sure to adhere to the recommendations on the list admin page | 11:14 |
| MooDoo | is that this one? - http://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/linuxjobs | 11:15 |
| MooDoo | ? | 11:15 |
| mungbean | features linux as a component of the role? | 11:15 |
| mungbean | yeah they are reasonable rules | 11:15 |
| popey | yes | 11:16 |
| popey | people complain if salary details aren't there too | 11:16 |
| popey | a browse back in the archive showing threads with more than one reply highlights this | 11:16 |
| mungbean | what if ythey are in a link for full details? | 11:16 |
| mungbean | the list members seem a bit anal | 11:17 |
| popey | yes, yes they do | 11:17 |
| popey | put plenty of detail in the mail | 11:17 |
| mungbean | mentioned before that i got some interesting reply last time | 11:17 |
| mungbean | not sure i want difficult people ;) | 11:17 |
| popey | yeah, most are typical geeks with missing social skills | 11:17 |
| popey | s/most/many/ | 11:17 |
| MooDoo | brill subscribed | 11:17 |
| MooDoo | soo that's 701 mungbean ;) | 11:18 |
| popey | 700 was approx | 11:18 |
| MooDoo | I know I was just playing | 11:19 |
| * TheOpenSourcerer is at home feeling crap whilst Souther Electric dig up his garden looking for a broken power supply cable | 11:19 | |
| MooDoo | eeeek | 11:19 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | We are currently running of the street lamp ;-) | 11:19 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | s\of\off | 11:20 |
| MooDoo | ouch still no power :( | 11:20 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | Anyway - I think I'm being stupid. Want to ask about wireless APs | 11:20 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | In my home office I have a broadband router with a wifi network | 11:20 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | House is flood wired with cat5 | 11:20 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | far away at the other end of the house i have a wifi AP - with 5 ethernet ports 1xWAN & 4 LAN | 11:21 |
| popey | http://www.unixstickers.com/linux-keyboard-stickers | 11:21 |
| popey | not seen those before | 11:21 |
| directhex | aha! i have defeated etherpad | 11:21 |
| directhex | its tangled corpse lies before my cluebat | 11:22 |
| popey | etherpad lite? | 11:22 |
| directhex | yes | 11:22 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | I want the remote AP to act as a bridge so the IP dhcp server is always on my main adsl router and all devices connected to either wifi network share the same subnet | 11:22 |
| directhex | which is inherently broken and bad in different yet similar ways to etherpad fat | 11:22 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | Should this be hard to do or what? | 11:22 |
| directhex | TheOpenSourcerer, AP in bridge mode? | 11:22 |
| MooDoo | popey: no ubuntu or am i blind | 11:23 |
| popey | correct | 11:23 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | directhex: I think so yes. | 11:23 |
| popey | TheOpenSourcerer: i have that setup here | 11:23 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | But wifi bridges seem to refer to extending the wifi using wifi repeaters not over my physical LAN | 11:23 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | So how do I configure the remote AP? | 11:24 |
| popey | mine is just a netgear wifi router which has openwrt on it. works a treat | 11:24 |
| popey | it's just a bridge | 11:24 |
| popey | so whichever AP you're on you get an IP from the central DHCP server | 11:24 |
| popey | exactly as you describe | 11:24 |
| bigcalm | Funky | 11:24 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | Good so I'm not being stupid at least | 11:25 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | All my googling failed. | 11:25 |
| diddledan | I've read that you can also have the two networks use the same ssid and security keys and you'll float between them | 11:25 |
| popey | I have a Netgear WNDR3700 which has two radios | 11:25 |
| popey | thats what I do diddledan | 11:25 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | Perhaps my second AP doesn't support bridging - I'm not wanting to bridge over the air. I have cat5 cable | 11:26 |
| popey | Most don't | 11:26 |
| popey | Hence me flashing with openwrt | 11:26 |
| popey | which does ☻ | 11:27 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | Ah - OK. | 11:27 |
| bigcalm | My router has two radios in it, so I have the 2nd one set to 5GHz. Laptop and phone then connect to whichever they like | 11:28 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | I might have to flash my DG843G then I think | 11:29 |
| popey | yeah, mine has two too | 11:31 |
| bigcalm | popey: I still haven't tried to fix my bricked WNDR3800. Buying yours was a much simpler option :) | 11:34 |
| === iahmad|afk is now known as iahmad|afk|reall | ||
| MooDoo | my router doesn't support openwrt | 11:37 |
| davmor2 | MooDoo: have a look at DDWRT instead | 11:39 |
| davmor2 | MooDoo: Mine is listed on both however the gui part wasn't working on openwrt at the time of install but was on dd-wrt so I went with dd-wrt instead and it works very nicely :) | 11:40 |
| popey | i have no gui on my openwrt | 11:42 |
| popey | just telnet in and fiddle | 11:42 |
| davmor2 | popey: yeah I'm still finding my way around gateway commands as it is and needed the router up and running and configured so the gui was way quicker for me :) | 11:46 |
| popey | hehe | 11:46 |
| popey | mine is configured to have backup internet on a 3g dongle attached via USB | 11:47 |
| MooDoo | davmor2: I think mine is just too old :) | 11:47 |
| MooDoo | davmor2: yes not supported | 11:48 |
| AlanBell | TheOpenSourcerer: is it the same AP we have in the office? I have just been trying to get that into bridge mode for SIP stuffs | 11:57 |
| AlanBell | settled for a static IP address and the DMZ host thing | 11:57 |
| mungbean | irssi reports lag on this chan now. didn't think it used to :S | 12:01 |
| === iahmad_ is now known as iahmad| | ||
| Laney | halp, english assistance required | 12:03 |
| === iahmad| is now known as iahmad | ||
| Laney | how do I write the sentence "Align the grid horizontally centrally"? | 12:04 |
| AlanBell | "Centre the grid horizontally" | 12:05 |
| mungbean | text in the grid or the grid? | 12:05 |
| Laney | alanbell wins | 12:06 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | Ah hi AlanBell | 12:12 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | yes - the Tenda W311R | 12:12 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | I *think* the way to do it is to connect the LAN to one of the switched ports and disable the dhcp server | 12:12 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | Nut I haven't tried that yet. I was just eating a ragingly hot curry :-D | 12:13 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | s\Nut\But | 12:14 |
| jaffa314 | hi | 12:14 |
| === alan_g is now known as alan_g|lunch | ||
| jaffa314 | can enyone help me with ubuntu 13.04? | 12:14 |
| jaffa314 | nothin wrong with the ubuntu, but the touch screen i'm usin... | 12:15 |
| jaffa314 | dosen't work | 12:15 |
| AlanBell | TheOpenSourcerer: ooh, that might work | 12:16 |
| jaffa314 | enyone here? | 12:17 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | jaffa314: yes - but perhaps we can;t answer your question? | 12:17 |
| AlanBell | jaffa314: lots of people here | 12:17 |
| BigRedS | jaffa314: I don't think anyone's going to say they can definitely help without knowing what the problem is | 12:17 |
| jaffa314 | maybe... | 12:17 |
| jaffa314 | I have new pc running ubuntu | 12:18 |
| AlanBell | if I want to install something from a ppa and it hasn't published for the version of Ubuntu I am on, can I force it somehow? | 12:18 |
| jaffa314 | 13.04 | 12:18 |
| AlanBell | without downloading the debs individually | 12:18 |
| jaffa314 | and viewsonic tuoch screen is installed | 12:18 |
| jaffa314 | but the tuoch function works only in folders | 12:19 |
| Daviey | if it's compatible, just put the version that it is published for in your sources.list | 12:19 |
| Daviey | AlanBell: ^ | 12:19 |
| AlanBell | Daviey: ah, right, that makes sense | 12:19 |
| Daviey | deb http://launchpad/xx/x/x/x hardy main | 12:20 |
| Daviey | :) | 12:20 |
| jaffa314 | is there some spesific driver for tuoch screens? | 12:20 |
| === schwuk_away is now known as schwuk | ||
| AlanBell | anyone using RabbitMQ or knows if it is a good thing? | 12:37 |
| mgdm | I'm not using it myself but I know people who speak highly of it | 12:37 |
| AlanBell | I want a telephony thing to make something happen in a PHP application and I can apparently link them with rabbitMQ | 12:38 |
| mgdm | (admittedly that's because I know one of the developers, but...) | 12:38 |
| mungbean | i got a 100gb box.net account, but can't upload any files. great | 12:44 |
| directhex | rabbitmq is... not bug-free | 12:46 |
| diddledan | rabbitmq is used for openstack isn't it? | 12:55 |
| diddledan | maybe that's why openstack is so evil? :-p | 12:55 |
| shauno | nah, openstack's evil because the documentation is 2 years behind :/ | 12:58 |
| === alan_g|lunch is now known as alan_g | ||
| === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte | ||
| mungbean | can i just dd a centos iso onto usb stick? | 13:21 |
| diddledan | mungbean: I think it depends on the bios you're gonna boot it with | 13:23 |
| mungbean | "normal" | 13:23 |
| diddledan | for e.g. apple systems will happily boot from such a stick | 13:24 |
| mungbean | not apple | 13:24 |
| mungbean | uentbootin aint recognising any sticks | 13:25 |
| mungbean | got unetbootin to comply | 13:28 |
| AlanBell | anyone know about unix sockets? I have an opensips server that is supposed to make a socket at /tmp/opensips.sock but if I look in /tmp I see nothing of the kind | 13:35 |
| AlanBell | should I see a file there for a socket? can I cat it to read from it or something? | 13:35 |
| mungbean | centos kernel panic on boot :( | 13:36 |
| * bigcalm updates wedding website with new photo | 13:36 | |
| mgdm | AlanBell: you should see the file, yes | 13:39 |
| mgdm | AlanBell: has it maybe ended up elsewhere, like /var/run or something? | 13:39 |
| AlanBell | mgdm: doesn't appear to | 13:42 |
| diddledan | AlanBell: is it chrooted to /var/lib/* | 13:42 |
| AlanBell | however I just got UDP sockets working, so I might be able to run with that | 13:42 |
| AlanBell | don't think it is chrooted, in fact there is a /tmp/opensips_fifo present when it is running | 13:43 |
| diddledan | is that not it? | 13:43 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | AlanBell: Just moved the cat5 cable from the WAN port to one of the switched ports on the AP and it's now serving IPs from the other router's DHCP server ;-) | 13:43 |
| AlanBell | TheOpenSourcerer: awesome \o/ | 13:43 |
| mgdm | AlanBell: that sounds lie it | 13:44 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | Think that was all I did. | 13:44 |
| AlanBell | no, that fifo thing isn't it as far as I can tell, that is there even when I remove the bit that should create the socket I want | 13:46 |
| AlanBell | however if UDP works, and I can read from a UDP socket using PHP then I should be good to proceed | 13:47 |
| mgdm | you can | 13:47 |
| mgdm | http://php.net/manual/en/function.stream-socket-client.php | 13:48 |
| bigcalm | How would I express "192.168.1.8 - 192.168.1.10" as a / mask? | 13:50 |
| mgdm | 192.168.1.8/30, but that will include .11 | 13:51 |
| mgdm | (I think) | 13:51 |
| directhex | yeah, "you can't" | 13:51 |
| directhex | since it's not a power of 2 | 13:51 |
| bigcalm | I see | 13:51 |
| mungbean | handy program , see sipcalc | 13:51 |
| mungbean | e.g. sipcalc 192.168.1.8/30 | 13:51 |
| bigcalm | Ta, I'll let Rackspace work it out ;) | 13:52 |
| bigcalm | pwgen -1syc 16 | 13:54 |
| bigcalm | Nice and rememberable password generation :D | 13:55 |
| ali1234 | head -c 10 /dev/urandom | uuencode - | 13:56 |
| ali1234 | if you don't have pwgen for some reason | 13:56 |
| bigcalm | ali1234: pwgen isn't installed by default :( | 13:57 |
| bigcalm | (on Ubuntu) | 13:57 |
| ali1234 | neither is uuencode :( | 13:57 |
| directhex | ali1234, that misses the point of pwgen | 14:00 |
| ali1234 | which is? | 14:00 |
| directhex | ali1234, pwgen passwords are made of syllables, so they can be spoken out loud & memorized FAR more easily than random arrays of characters | 14:01 |
| ali1234 | not if you use -s | 14:01 |
| directhex | well, yes, that's true | 14:01 |
| directhex | but... don't | 14:01 |
| bigcalm | Hehe | 14:01 |
| bigcalm | It's for IPSec pre-shared keys | 14:01 |
| bigcalm | Not something that's going to be spoken, ever | 14:01 |
| * mgdm uses apg | 14:02 | |
| mgdm | mainly because I heard of it before pwgen | 14:02 |
| bigcalm | mgdm: a 3 letter password is rather insecure | 14:02 |
| * bigcalm h4x0r5 mgdm | 14:02 | |
| mgdm | well done :P | 14:02 |
| bigcalm | That took a lot of damn effort to type | 14:03 |
| ali1234 | how do you set up a user so that they have no password and can only be accessed using su or sudo? | 14:03 |
| directhex | --disabled-password param to adduser? | 14:03 |
| bigcalm | Set their shell to /bin/false ? | 14:04 |
| directhex | passwd -d | 14:04 |
| ali1234 | bigcalm: no, i still want to su to the used | 14:04 |
| directhex | er, wait, -d is passwordless | 14:04 |
| bigcalm | Ah | 14:04 |
| ali1234 | directhex: yeah, i *don't* want passwordless logins - hat's the exact opposite of what i want | 14:04 |
| directhex | -l | 14:04 |
| * bigcalm goes back to poking Rackspace | 14:04 | |
| ali1234 | directhex: the man pages aren't clear on which is which imo | 14:05 |
| ali1234 | so i settled for a random 64 character password made with -s | 14:05 |
| mungbean | disk utility says "warning the partition is misaligned by 1024 bytes, this may result in very poor performance" | 14:06 |
| mungbean | seen that before? | 14:06 |
| shauno | bigcalm: you probably are looking for 192.168.1.8/30, since if you subnet it, .11 will be your broadcast address - .9 and .10 will be the only usable IPs | 14:06 |
| bigcalm | shauno: no subnets. It's very specific usage with no future expansion | 14:07 |
| mgdm | shauno: I had wondered if he was using it for something like tcpwrappers or a firewall or some such | 14:08 |
| bigcalm | I'll go with the /30 | 14:08 |
| mgdm | so the broadcast address wouldn't actually happen, if you see what i mean | 14:08 |
| ali1234 | does netmask actually have to be all 1s and then all 0s? or can you have say ...1101 | 14:09 |
| shauno | I'm not actually sure if netmask does. wildcard doesn't, cidr does, netmask I'm unsure of | 14:10 |
| AlanBell | how do you spell the woman's name that is a bit like "Romain" | 14:10 |
| mgdm | Cisco (I think) have something that is like the inverse of a netmask, and doesn't need to be contiguous | 14:10 |
| mgdm | but I can't think what it's called | 14:11 |
| mgdm | netmask generally speaking though does have to be contiguous | 14:11 |
| shauno | mgdm, yeah, that's the 'wildcard' one. eg, /30 would be 0.0.0.3 | 14:11 |
| mgdm | ah, oops | 14:11 |
| mgdm | A sysadmin friend of mine told me about it once, and I went 'wat' | 14:12 |
| ali1234 | AlanBell: romane? | 14:12 |
| AlanBell | Romaine doesn't appear to have bounced | 14:12 |
| mungbean | i hate promary and logical partitions :( | 14:13 |
| diddledan | netmask doesn't need to be all ones followed by all zeroes - which makes it a bugger if you want to convert it to cidr | 14:13 |
| shauno | it seems openbsd will accept a non-contiguous netmask, everything else known to man will look at you funny | 14:13 |
| ali1234 | figures | 14:14 |
| diddledan | for e.g. you could have a netmask of 125 | 14:14 |
| diddledan | 255.255.255.125* | 14:14 |
| diddledan | which would be evil | 14:14 |
| mgdm | but why would you do that? | 14:14 |
| ali1234 | just to mess with people? | 14:14 |
| mgdm | aside from impairment due to drink or drugs | 14:14 |
| ali1234 | i can't think of a good reason | 14:14 |
| diddledan | to end up with unbalanced address ranges :-p | 14:15 |
| shauno | you can do some fun stuff if you're brave | 14:15 |
| AlanBell | so you can split your subnet into odd and even halves | 14:16 |
| mungbean | "fun" netmasks are a headache | 14:16 |
| diddledan | AlanBell: bingo | 14:16 |
| mgdm | ooooh, I remember that | 14:16 |
| bashrc | Have never really done anythin exotic with netmasks | 14:16 |
| AlanBell | that is . . inadvisable | 14:16 |
| mgdm | CCNA course knowledge being dredged up from long-term storage | 14:16 |
| diddledan | AlanBell: understatement acknowledged | 14:17 |
| diddledan | or should that be "understatement++" | 14:17 |
| shauno | eg, say you have 10.0.0.x for siteone-production and 10.0.1.x for siteone-nonprod. and .2 for sitetwo-production and .3 for sitetwo-nonprod. | 14:17 |
| shauno | you can aggregate your routes to each site as 10.0.0.0/23 and 10.0.0.2/23, but firewall against 0.0.1.0 so the odd-numbered subnets are treated differently | 14:18 |
| mgdm | shauno: and hire a newbie one day who promptly fails to understand and breaks it :-D | 14:19 |
| shauno | what's wrong with a little job security ;) | 14:19 |
| diddledan | mgdm: hint, don't hire n00bs.... hire me instead :-p | 14:19 |
| bigcalm | Hey, you lot need to stop melting my brain | 14:19 |
| diddledan | bigcalm: did you get wet again? | 14:20 |
| mgdm | diddledan: hehe | 14:20 |
| bigcalm | What's wrong with this line from Rackspace? "Phase 2 Diffie-Hellman Group/PFS (NOT RECOMMENDED (1/2/5/NONE)" | 14:21 |
| diddledan | bigcalm: unbalanced parentheses? | 14:21 |
| * bigcalm wants to claw his eyes out | 14:21 | |
| bigcalm | diddledan: spot on | 14:21 |
| diddledan | I like nesting parentheses in sentences so I end up with a closing )))) - spot the programmer | 14:22 |
| * bigcalm drums fingers waiting for VPN to be created | 14:22 | |
| mgdm | diddledan: you a fan of Lisp? | 14:22 |
| diddledan | mgdm: I've never really looked at lisp | 14:22 |
| mgdm | (started (I (learning (scheme))) at the weekend | 14:23 |
| diddledan | mgdm: I quite like tcl and obj-c in terms of their syntax however | 14:23 |
| bigcalm | diddledan: it's confusing when somebody closes a ( with a smiliey :) | 14:23 |
| shauno | bigcalm: I do that far too often | 14:23 |
| mgdm | diddledan: I'm not a fan of ObjC, but it's not CFML, which I was looking at earlier | 14:23 |
| shauno | because ending (this with :)) makes my smiley look disturbed/double-chinned | 14:24 |
| bigcalm | Hehe | 14:24 |
| bigcalm | Is it LUG o'clock yet? | 14:24 |
| diddledan | bigcalm: yeah, I haven't worked out whether to leave the smilie doing a dual purpose smile and close bracket or to put another bracket on and suffer the possibility that an uninitiated might think my smilie was doing something different to what I intended | 14:24 |
| * bigcalm wants to get out of the office | 14:24 | |
| shauno | it doesn't help that at a glance, (that :)) looks mismatched | 14:25 |
| diddledan | shauno: smilies need noses dammit! :-) | 14:25 |
| diddledan | AlanBell: how did you find me on the twitters? | 14:26 |
| diddledan | :-p | 14:26 |
| * AlanBell has spies *everywhere* | 14:26 | |
| diddledan | <.< | 14:27 |
| diddledan | >.> | 14:27 |
| diddledan | o.o | 14:27 |
| shauno | search for awkward inuendos, you'll appear in <30 seconds | 14:27 |
| diddledan | shauno: you love them really | 14:27 |
| === alan_g is now known as alan_g|tea | ||
| === alan_g|tea is now known as alan_g | ||
| mungbean | just booted 13.10 beta | 14:56 |
| mungbean | you get smacked in the face with the online shopping stuf | 14:57 |
| Azelphur | not in xubuntu :D | 14:57 |
| AlanBell | and not in a remotely useful way either, if you search for example for "socks" in the dash, I get an assortment of songs related to socks, but no actual socks | 14:59 |
| popey | if i search for socks I get google docks | 15:00 |
| popey | it rhymes! | 15:00 |
| mungbean | search for gparted and get katy perry | 15:00 |
| mungbean | its spam | 15:00 |
| AlanBell | well the problem is that you think it is an application launcher | 15:01 |
| AlanBell | super+a is the application launcher | 15:01 |
| mungbean | my mistake | 15:01 |
| bigcalm | I was about to try the shopping search in 13.04, but then I remembered that I disabled it as soon as I had the system installed | 15:01 |
| AlanBell | super is the omniglobaleverything searcher | 15:01 |
| mungbean | synapse is the launcher | 15:01 |
| mungbean | that i use the most | 15:01 |
| bigcalm | Ooooo | 15:01 |
| bigcalm | I did not know about super + a | 15:01 |
| mungbean | too late for super+a , installing centos now | 15:02 |
| bigcalm | And super + f | 15:02 |
| bigcalm | It makes sense now | 15:02 |
| bigcalm | But having a hint to use that would have been nice :) | 15:02 |
| AlanBell | if you hold super for a while it should pop up the hints | 15:02 |
| mungbean | the BFB is ugly now | 15:03 |
| AlanBell | if you have a tall enough screen | 15:03 |
| mungbean | i noticed amazon on the unity bar too | 15:03 |
| bigcalm | I'm looking forward to see a default icon for AOL | 15:03 |
| mungbean | worked fast on my laptop though | 15:04 |
| mungbean | centos 6 is gnome 2 :D | 15:05 |
| * bigcalm squiees at EmergencyKittens on twitter | 15:05 | |
| mgdm | when our sites are in dev mode all the ads get replaced with placekitten.com | 15:06 |
| bigcalm | :D | 15:06 |
| diddledan | omg that's a cutie | 15:06 |
| bigcalm | I have the kittenify bookmark | 15:06 |
| mgdm | bigcalm: Oh?I wrote one | 15:07 |
| mgdm | but it was rather specific | 15:07 |
| diddledan | mgdm: I try to use placekitten when I can, too | 15:07 |
| bigcalm | javascript:(function(){fcb=function(d){ktndata=d;var p=document.getElementsByTagName('img');for(var i in p){p[i].width=p[i].width;p[i].height=p[i].height;p[i].src=d.items[Math.floor(Math.random()*(d.items.length))].media.m;}};if(typeof ktndata=='undefined'){var jp=document.createElement('script');jp.setAttribute('type','text/javascript'); jp.setAttribute('src','http://api.flickr.com/services/feeds/photos_public.gne?tags=kitten&tagmo | 15:07 |
| bigcalm | de=any&format=json&jsoncallback=fcb'); document.getElementsByTagName('head')[0].appendChild(jp);} else{fcb(ktndata);}})() | 15:07 |
| diddledan | o_O | 15:07 |
| mgdm | errr | 15:07 |
| bigcalm | Sorry | 15:07 |
| diddledan | I was gonna say exactly the same thing, bigcalm | 15:07 |
| diddledan | it's like you read my mind | 15:08 |
| bigcalm | :P | 15:08 |
| bigcalm | Your mind is full of rubbish then ;) | 15:08 |
| diddledan | lol | 15:08 |
| mgdm | brain.js | 15:08 |
| mungbean | today is going slow | 15:08 |
| Laney | one second per second | 15:08 |
| bigcalm | 1Hz | 15:09 |
| diddledan | according to mr spock hours feel like days and minutes feel like hours. it's going to take 2 days to finish repairs to enterprise. | 15:09 |
| mungbean | centos just splatted my ubuntu bootloader | 15:11 |
| diddledan | mungbean: I bet you secretly enjoyed the perverse pleasure of that? | 15:12 |
| mungbean | it was my 12.04 install which i am keeping | 15:12 |
| mungbean | want triple booty | 15:13 |
| bigcalm | I wonder if aq is napping | 15:13 |
| mungbean | can't even boot ubutnu now :( | 15:15 |
| mungbean | boot-reapri looks handy | 15:15 |
| mungbean | repair | 15:16 |
| bigcalm | T- 22 days 23 hours | 15:19 |
| AlanBell | yay | 15:19 |
| mungbean | tom clancy is dead? | 15:19 |
| bigcalm | AlanBell: updated the website is a new photo - the pre-wedding photo shoot with Tony went great | 15:19 |
| bigcalm | s/is/with | 15:20 |
| * bigcalm be tired | 15:20 | |
| diddledan | maybe productivity took a dive the moment I discovered emergencykittens on twitters | 15:33 |
| bigcalm | Oops, sorry | 15:34 |
| bigcalm | Humm, that account posts more frequently that I expected | 15:34 |
| diddledan | indeed | 15:35 |
| diddledan | every time I look at twitters there's a new kitty | 15:35 |
| AlanBell | O.M.G. the dash is now showing me pre-owned socks on ebay | 15:38 |
| AlanBell | I did not want to know that this was even a thing | 15:38 |
| bigcalm | LOL | 15:38 |
| AlanBell | http://www.ebay.com/itm/Odd-Future-Donut-Socks-/261294778270?pt=US_Men_s_Socks | 15:39 |
| diddledan | AlanBell: the question is were they owned by a teenager or not | 15:39 |
| diddledan | eww | 15:39 |
| mungbean | boot-repair saves the day | 15:51 |
| bigcalm | Cobblers | 15:58 |
| davmor2 | bigcalm: oh you need some shoes repairing? | 16:07 |
| bigcalm | davmor2: na, I was thinking of mungbean's boot-repair | 16:07 |
| bigcalm | T - 22 days, 22 hours, 22 minutes | 16:08 |
| davmor2 | bigcalm: okay so now it's becoming real :) | 16:15 |
| diddledan | 22 days till saucy? | 16:16 |
| bigcalm | If 13.10 is released on the last Thursday of the month, then that is only 21 days away | 16:19 |
| bigcalm | My count down is far more important | 16:19 |
| bigcalm | Now I need to decide if I am to play badminton on the 24th or not | 16:20 |
| bigcalm | davmor2: shame that the 23rd isn't a LUG | 16:20 |
| diddledan | aah, weddings? | 16:21 |
| bigcalm | diddledan: just the one :P | 16:21 |
| diddledan | lol | 16:21 |
| bigcalm | I don't think they would like me having two or more weddings on one day | 16:22 |
| diddledan | don't fancy the polygamy thing then? | 16:22 |
| bigcalm | diddledan: I said they, didn't include myself in that :P | 16:22 |
| diddledan | hehehe | 16:22 |
| bigcalm | But I think that one marriage is enough for me | 16:22 |
| popey | !saucy | 16:22 |
| lubotu3 | Ubuntu 13.10 (Saucy Salamander) will be the 19th release of Ubuntu. Announcement: http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/1252 - Discussion and support in #ubuntu+1. Release date will be 17th October 2013. | 16:22 |
| popey | 17th | 16:22 |
| bigcalm | Oh, much earlier than I had thought | 16:23 |
| diddledan | popey: that presupposes that a) I know what the date is today, and b) that I can count. neither of which are certain | 16:23 |
| diddledan | :-p | 16:24 |
| popey | http://www.engadget.com/2013/10/02/dell-xps-13-15-refreshed/ | 16:54 |
| popey | holy bejeezus look at that resolution | 16:54 |
| MartijnV1S | does that include the dev editions? :) | 16:54 |
| MartijnV1S | also.. 3200??!? | 16:55 |
| popey | i wish | 16:55 |
| === MartijnV1S is now known as MartijnVdS | ||
| popey | i know! | 16:55 |
| AlanBell | gosh | 16:55 |
| popey | mad | 16:55 |
| daftykins | XD | 16:55 |
| daftykins | i had some really good luck | 16:55 |
| daftykins | that dead server OS disk of mine? after a night to cool down it functioned for a short time plugged into my desktop! | 16:55 |
| popey | yay | 16:55 |
| daftykins | it kept dropping once it warmed up enough, but there was a long enough window to get back what i wanted ^_^ | 16:55 |
| daftykins | although, now i'm seeing some nasty SMART values incrementing on the laptop drive i put in instead :D | 16:56 |
| daftykins | Hardware ECC recovered, Read Error Rate and Seek Error Rate | 16:57 |
| daftykins | ooh, Command Timeout is high too | 16:57 |
| daftykins | it's quite possible it might be worse than just iffy disks... | 16:58 |
| daftykins | on a completely unrelated note - what would you guys suggest for a backup device to handle 6TB+ of data? :) it'd mostly stay off in storage, so my first thought was tape - but that seems quite expensive just for a drive | 17:00 |
| popey | how many copies? | 17:02 |
| daftykins | just the one really | 17:03 |
| popey | how often? | 17:03 |
| daftykins | i'd go for a NAS but i'd be concerned about leaving it off in storage most of the time | 17:03 |
| daftykins | it'd probably only get updated monthly or quarterly | 17:03 |
| popey | blue ray? | 17:04 |
| daftykins | a 4 x 4TB NAS appears to be ~750-850 £ | 17:04 |
| ali1234 | 300 blu rays yeah | 17:04 |
| popey | 150 quid for a burner | 17:04 |
| daftykins | nah optical media isn't reliable enough | 17:05 |
| popey | ☻ | 17:05 |
| daftykins | plus the time to do it would be ouch | 17:05 |
| ali1234 | if you're worried about the price then i doubt you really need to back up all 6TBs | 17:05 |
| daftykins | my client wants to :) | 17:06 |
| daftykins | any thoughts on the NAS that mostly stays off approach? | 17:06 |
| ali1234 | i don't see why it would be a problem | 17:07 |
| ali1234 | nothing else will be anywhere near as cheap and easy | 17:07 |
| popey | https://www.ohloh.net/p/elementaryos gosh.. 131 years of effort.. | 17:07 |
| popey | how? | 17:07 |
| daftykins | ali1234: yeah, possibly monthly spinups and checks to keep it happy | 17:08 |
| popey | https://www.ohloh.net/p/debian hehe 22K years | 17:09 |
| === alan_g is now known as alan_g|EOD | ||
| Azelphur | ali1234: dude who ran SR got caught, BTC price has a serious case of the tanking :( | 17:18 |
| directhex | daftykins, i built a nas recently. | 17:25 |
| directhex | Azelphur, so btc prices were inflated by their usefulness to potheads#/ shock, etc | 17:25 |
| directhex | gah this damn keyboard | 17:26 |
| Azelphur | directhex: pretty much, that's certainly a factor of their value | 17:26 |
| AlanBell | gap in the market now then I guess | 17:27 |
| MartijnVdS | start your own clone | 17:27 |
| * AlanBell will not be filling it :) | 17:27 | |
| AlanBell | I am shocked it was being run from the USA | 17:27 |
| Azelphur | yea, a new one will no doubt sprout up | 17:28 |
| bigcalm | Dad complains about how slow his Windows laptop is getting... | 17:32 |
| bigcalm | Me: time to make the push to Linux then | 17:32 |
| bigcalm | Dad: dream on | 17:32 |
| popey | My neighbour asked me for an ubuntu cd last night to replace windows on another neighbours laptop | 17:32 |
| MartijnVdS | \ | 17:33 |
| MartijnVdS | \o/ even | 17:33 |
| popey | ooh! | 17:35 |
| popey | amazon now do pickup | 17:35 |
| MartijnVdS | pickup? | 17:35 |
| MartijnVdS | if you're a seller, you mean? | 17:35 |
| popey | no, delivery | 17:35 |
| popey | they leave it at a place - a shop | 17:36 |
| MartijnVdS | ah, cool | 17:36 |
| popey | you pick it up | 17:36 |
| MartijnVdS | bol.com (the biggest Dutch "amazon clone" does that too now) | 17:36 |
| popey | directhex: whats the thing I need to buy to make xbox controller work on my pc? | 17:36 |
| popey | wireless gaming receiver? | 17:36 |
| daftykins | directhex: ah what did you make? the guy already has a 3ware controller based RAID6 file server which the media lives on, (film collection) then there's a 2 x 2TB RAID 1 synology NAS for backup, but now he wants to backup the films too :S | 17:37 |
| directhex | popey, a wireless xbox controller? | 17:37 |
| daftykins | popey: yeah wireless transceiver | 17:37 |
| directhex | popey, yes, let me find you an amazon link | 17:37 |
| popey | 360 ya | 17:37 |
| daftykins | or get a wired one | 17:37 |
| daftykins | the wireless jobs are like £9 on ebay | 17:37 |
| popey | hmm wired would be cheaper, no? | 17:38 |
| popey | and would still work on 360? | 17:38 |
| directhex | popey, i use a wired pad for my pc | 17:39 |
| daftykins | wireless still does, it just requires the USB dongle job | 17:39 |
| directhex | popey, it's a massive pain sharing a pad between 360 and pc, as you need to re-sync it each time | 17:39 |
| popey | ahh | 17:39 |
| popey | this probably wouldn't move much | 17:39 |
| popey | so wired makes sense | 17:39 |
| popey | worth getting an official one? | 17:40 |
| daftykins | directhex: what do you think about a NAS that only gets powered on once a month/quarter ? | 17:40 |
| bigcalm | Backups eh? | 17:41 |
| popey | directhex: works with steam on linux? | 17:41 |
| bigcalm | Is an always running drive more or less likely to crash than a drive that is powered up now and then? | 17:41 |
| directhex | popey, the wireless doodad is hard to find on its own - or an official one is, anyway | 17:41 |
| directhex | popey, well, hard to find the real microsoft one new & boxed | 17:41 |
| directhex | can't find a canonical amazon link, fr'example, just a lot of resellers | 17:41 |
| popey | amazon have them | 17:42 |
| popey | Price:£24.99 & Free Delivery with Amazon Prime | 17:42 |
| popey | oh, wireless doohdah, sorry | 17:42 |
| directhex | popey, the 360 wireless doodad, and the wired pad, get detected as the same device | 17:42 |
| bigcalm | popey: I've have had no problems using my wired xbox 360 controller with Linux or Windows | 17:42 |
| directhex | popey, i use my wired 360 pad for playing on steam/linux | 17:42 |
| ging | how do i force apt-get to reinstall the repository packages inplace of a custom on? | 17:42 |
| popey | suhweet | 17:42 |
| directhex | daftykins, well...... drive selection will be important. don't buy NAS drives! | 17:43 |
| popey | ging: wat? | 17:43 |
| daftykins | directhex: i was looking at ones with WD Red 4TBs in | 17:43 |
| popey | ging: apt-get install packagename=versionnumber | 17:43 |
| daftykins | 4 x 4TB | 17:43 |
| directhex | daftykins, do NOT use reds for your use case. | 17:43 |
| popey | ging: e.g. apt-get install foo=1.0 | 17:43 |
| ging | popey: i tried that doesn't seem to work | 17:43 |
| popey | ging: it does if you have that version in your repo list | 17:43 |
| daftykins | directhex: D: how come? only happy running, them? | 17:43 |
| popey | ging: apt-cache policy packagename | 17:43 |
| directhex | daftykins, reds are designed for being turned on 24/7 - they basically don't spin down, ever | 17:43 |
| ging | oh i had a space | 17:43 |
| popey | yay | 17:44 |
| ging | it works now thank popey | 17:44 |
| directhex | daftykins, as opposed to greens, which will spin down instantly given the opportunity, and are *usually* a terrible NAS drive as a result | 17:44 |
| popey | ging: cool | 17:44 |
| * bigcalm slithers off to the LUG | 17:45 | |
| daftykins | directhex: yeah i only get WD RE's normally | 17:45 |
| directhex | daftykins, i built a 10-drive synology recently from a combination of wd reds, seagate nas, and hitachi ultrastar | 17:46 |
| daftykins | directhex: do you think tape would be a good idea instead? | 17:46 |
| daftykins | intentionally mixed? | 17:46 |
| directhex | daftykins, yeah... mitigates the risk of bad batches a little | 17:46 |
| directhex | daftykins, tape......... well, yes, it's a better system for your use, but consumer tape is dead, and enterprise tape has a very high startup cost | 17:47 |
| daftykins | cool :) | 17:47 |
| directhex | blu-ray? | 17:47 |
| directhex | daftykins, used to have a 128 node cluster with ibm deathstars in......... lot of disk replacements to do on that | 17:47 |
| daftykins | surely BDs would have a weak lifespan in storage | 17:47 |
| daftykins | haha nice | 17:47 |
| directhex | daftykins, what kind of lifespan are you after? | 17:48 |
| directhex | http://www.hughsnews.ca/faqs/authoritative-blu-ray-disc-bd-faq/13-disc-longevity-handling-storage-and-disposal#13.2 | 17:49 |
| daftykins | *click* | 17:50 |
| dwatkins | and this is why I copy the data to my NAS from them | 17:56 |
| daftykins | dwatkins: huh? | 17:56 |
| daftykins | oh from optical media | 17:56 |
| daftykins | well we're talking backup *of* a NAS atm :D | 17:57 |
| dwatkins | oh sorry, hadn't read back | 17:57 |
| daftykins | np! | 17:57 |
| daftykins | my client wants to backup his 6TB+ (growing) of film collection | 17:57 |
| dwatkins | in my experience, the best way to backup a NAS is to another NAS or a hard disk that's then turned off until the next backup. | 17:57 |
| daftykins | i'm debating the best plan | 17:57 |
| daftykins | yeah, i'm just concerned about one remaining off | 17:57 |
| dwatkins | stiction, yeah | 17:57 |
| daftykins | it might get updated monthly or quarterly at best | 17:57 |
| dwatkins | if you really want active monitoring of a storage array, there are options such as Panasas' concept of a node for each disk. | 17:58 |
| dwatkins | they run a derevation of BSD on each blade, and the disks and data are checked continuously. | 17:59 |
| dwatkins | as you can guess, they're a bit expensive | 18:00 |
| daftykins | well the live 3ware driven one emails me Friday nights with the verify result :) | 18:00 |
| daftykins | a potential offline one would live sort of off-site (other building at the other end of the garden) where the other backup devices live | 18:00 |
| daftykins | and get fired up occasionally to be backed up to / checked on | 18:00 |
| daftykins | (assuming i go the NAS route) | 18:00 |
| dwatkins | a backup isn't a backup until it's been verified, as you are no doubt aware | 18:01 |
| dwatkins | is it worth considering "cloud" options? | 18:01 |
| daftykins | because his existing array is a bit old now, i've had a lot of the WD RE 2TBs die on me | 18:01 |
| daftykins | a friend mentioned amazon iceberg or something? | 18:01 |
| dwatkins | I have 3TB disks in my 4-bay Synology DS-413j, it's only 6 months old. | 18:01 |
| daftykins | don't quite fancy uploading 6TB over 2Mb though D: | 18:02 |
| dwatkins | yeah, depends how often the data changes, I guess. | 18:02 |
| daftykins | it's mostly safeguarding against the hours we paid a kid to rip all the DVDs to disk | 18:02 |
| daftykins | i think his ex-wife stole the physical collection too! :> | 18:03 |
| dwatkins | bah | 18:03 |
| dwatkins | how about a setup with four disks in a PC, mirrored or somesuch? | 18:03 |
| daftykins | well the cheapest disk-based approach may be to buy a few, plug them into the 3ware controller, copy over then remove and store | 18:04 |
| daftykins | *or* upgrade the existing 8 x 2TB, then store the old disks | 18:04 |
| dwatkins | yeah, although there's no additional redundancy, that should be okay | 18:04 |
| dwatkins | storing the old disks is fine until they stop working, but by then 6 TB of space should be really cheap ;) | 18:05 |
| daftykins | yeah and they're kinda flaky already | 18:05 |
| daftykins | kept replacing the WD2002FYPS with WD2003FYYS under warranty | 18:05 |
| daftykins | that was when i lost 4 in a short space of time at one point | 18:06 |
| dwatkins | I just hope I don't lose more than one disk at a time. | 18:06 |
| daftykins | hehe | 18:06 |
| daftykins | 8 bay and RAID6 was too pricey? | 18:06 |
| dwatkins | Panasas arrays have an option to allow for 2 disks to fail. | 18:06 |
| dwatkins | yeah, the 4-bay Synology was expensive enough. | 18:06 |
| daftykins | *nod* | 18:07 |
| daftykins | my own personal 6 x 1TB RAID5 is 6 years old now | 18:07 |
| dwatkins | perhaps I'll buy another couple disks and put them in a spare PC to have another copy of the 8 TB array. | 18:07 |
| daftykins | all disks out of warranty, so not quite so safe | 18:07 |
| dwatkins | previously, I used three disks in USB enclosures, so the NAS was a step up for me. | 18:08 |
| daftykins | actually come to think of it, maybe the cheapest backup is just a handful of single disks? | 18:08 |
| daftykins | 4 x 3TB perhaps | 18:08 |
| dwatkins | indeed, make a volume out of them | 18:08 |
| daftykins | well not even that, just leave them as singles | 18:08 |
| daftykins | and spread the data, 4 x 3TB could allow for 2 copies to start with | 18:08 |
| dwatkins | ah yes, that would work, split them alphabetically or something | 18:08 |
| daftykins | maybe mix brands too | 18:08 |
| dwatkins | yeah, and compare the md5sums periodically | 18:09 |
| dwatkins | or just mirror them | 18:09 |
| daftykins | would i want consumer disks then 0o | 18:09 |
| dwatkins | (with monitoring etc.) | 18:09 |
| daftykins | sooo many choices | 18:10 |
| dwatkins | compare the meercat^W prices | 18:11 |
| dwatkins | ...then choose the one just above the cheapest (that's how I buy white goods for the kitchen) | 18:12 |
| Myrtti | :-> | 18:12 |
| Myrtti | I was about to show a picture but flickr seems to feel unwell | 18:17 |
| daftykins | aww | 18:17 |
| daftykins | have some stern words with it, Myrtti | 18:17 |
| Myrtti | " | 18:18 |
| Myrtti | Bad, bad panda! | 18:18 |
| Myrtti | Come on. We want photos. | 18:18 |
| Myrtti | We’re aware of the problem and are fixing it. Thanks for your patience. " | 18:18 |
| Myrtti | ok then. | 18:18 |
| Myrtti | no flickr for yooooo | 18:18 |
| daftykins | d'aww | 18:19 |
| daftykins | what treat were we in for? | 18:19 |
| MartijnVdS | Too many people used up their terabyte?? | 18:20 |
| Myrtti | daftykins: massive meerkat | 18:25 |
| Myrtti | I think it's agent Maya if I'm not totally mistaken | 18:25 |
| daftykins | 0o | 18:26 |
| Myrtti | (dsample works for CTM) | 18:26 |
| Myrtti | no, still won't work | 18:26 |
| Myrtti | http://www.meetup.com/Agile-Peterborough/photos/12078592/185878742/#185921582 has some photos tho | 18:28 |
| Myrtti | of the meerkats, not just him | 18:28 |
| daftykins | :D | 18:29 |
| Myrtti | apparently they're reeeeeaally annoying to try to fit into a car :-D | 18:30 |
| daftykins | lmao | 18:30 |
| daftykins | i can see that | 18:30 |
| Azelphur | ali1234: for bonus points, it seems like mtgox is blocking withdrawals \o/ | 18:33 |
| Azelphur | I have 15 BTC trapped | 18:33 |
| ali1234 | they've been doing that forever | 18:33 |
| Azelphur | ali1234: BTC withdrawals, not fiat | 18:33 |
| ali1234 | yeah | 18:33 |
| Azelphur | o.O | 18:33 |
| ali1234 | not sure why you would even want to withdraw it though i mean what are you going to do with it? | 18:34 |
| Azelphur | have it not be in mtgox because I don't particularly trust them atm | 18:34 |
| ali1234 | ...why did you leave it in there then? | 18:34 |
| Azelphur | well 5 of it I forgot I even had | 18:34 |
| Azelphur | and the other 10 I deposited to sell, but then decided against it | 18:35 |
| ali1234 | so how low do we think it's gonna go? | 18:36 |
| directhex | i assume you can withdraw in magic cards, from the magic the gathering online exchange? | 18:36 |
| Myrtti | here we go then, Agent Maya https://secure.flickr.com/photos/duncansample/9789747666/ | 18:37 |
| daftykins | hehehe | 18:38 |
| AlanBell | what do we compare it to? | 18:48 |
| AlanBell | is an ipod shuffle going to work with Ubuntu? | 20:12 |
| popey | depends which generation | 20:12 |
| AlanBell | a new one | 20:14 |
| popey | almost certainly not | 20:15 |
| mungbean | how long was the giffgaff outage tonight? | 20:16 |
| mungbean | couldn't make calls around 5.45pm | 20:16 |
| mgdm | you sure it was giffgaff? Could have been their network, could have been the cell you were connected to, etc etc | 20:16 |
| mungbean | was GG | 20:16 |
| mungbean | happened last friday all day too | 20:17 |
| mungbean | http://community.giffgaff.com/t5/Service-Updates/Calls-and-texts-failing-2-Oct-2013/m-p/10088973#M82657 | 20:17 |
| mungbean | was completely out earlier, still intermittent | 20:17 |
| mungbean | 60 pages of whingeing forumites | 20:19 |
| mungbean | since 4,30pm , not bad going | 20:19 |
| === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away | ||
| AlanBell | popey: I ended up getting a cheap knockoff that will work better | 22:00 |
| diddledan | AlanBell: ipod? | 22:01 |
| diddledan | or did I miss something? | 22:01 |
| AlanBell | yeah, was thinking about a shuffle for eldest offspring | 22:02 |
| AlanBell | ended up getting a fake nano | 22:02 |
| AlanBell | http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=140942548640 | 22:02 |
| popey | wonder what connector it really has | 22:07 |
| AlanBell | yeah, that is an oddly wide thing, I would expect it only has a couple of pins connected and is a fairly normal USB connector | 22:08 |
| AlanBell | you get what you pay for, but if you are purchasing something that has a reasonable probability of being left on a bus then it is best not to pay too much | 22:09 |
| AlanBell | (some people leave them on Eurostar) | 22:09 |
| dwatkins | my nephew left his iphone in IKEA | 22:21 |
| popey | ☻ | 22:28 |
| Azelphur | Anyone have any recommendations for running a mail server setup for a small business? | 22:31 |
| Azelphur | so, few employees, with email | 22:31 |
| Azelphur | I think the Ubuntu community documentation on the subject is outdated. :< | 22:42 |
| ali1234 | what do you mean by "mail server"? | 22:45 |
| Azelphur | ali1234: the full whack, including webmail | 22:45 |
| ali1234 | outlook i guess | 22:46 |
| Azelphur | nope. | 22:47 |
| Azelphur | xD | 22:47 |
| ali1234 | outsource it | 22:48 |
| Azelphur | roundcube has been recommended on a different channel, looks like it'll do :) | 22:49 |
| directhex | Azelphur, sogo for webmail & calendaring. postfix/dovecot for mail back-end | 23:30 |
| Azelphur | SoGo actually looks cool too | 23:37 |
| Azelphur | liking the calendar, most of the way in with roundcube though so will keep that in mind as an alternative :) | 23:39 |
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