=== lubotu3` is now known as lubotu3 [05:42] Hi [06:56] After a while, 4/5 month, 13.04 is getting slow, very slow. Starting up en logging in is no problem. But then, stuff like Nautilus, Chrome and the systemsetting CMS i s sloff. I have a Intel i5 Core, 8gig ram, Ubuntu 13.04 64b.... [06:56] Any tips? [07:01] morning all [07:30] morning [07:30] Morning Alan [07:31] Yes [07:31] That [07:33] Morning Alans :) [07:36] ah bother, I can't make the release party :( [07:36] http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-uk/2555-saucy-salamander-release-party/ [07:37] me neither :( [07:41] ooooo i want a ubuntu member cert, only problem is I'm not an ubuntu member, they look purty though :) [07:41] they are :) [07:41] :p [07:41] might have to look at becoming one then :) lol [07:41] document your awesome contributions to Ubuntu and you too can have one [07:42] alas me being awesome in here is the only contribution I currently make :) [07:42] woah, no xmir [07:43] yup, not ready [07:43] no xmir? [07:43] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2013-October/037695.html [07:43] Don't blame them to be honest, if it's not ready it's not ready... [07:43] that is a bit of a last minute trip [07:44] dang [07:45] Don't think it's going to make a difference if it's not in this version is it? [07:45] well it will be in, but not turned on by default [07:46] the problem is it means that 14.04 won't have such extensive background testing of the xmir stack from all the users of 13.10 [07:47] in theory 14.04 should be using unity 8 and native Mir stuff [07:47] aah [07:47] rather than the strange xmir thing [07:47] well actually some xmir stuff might be kicking about in 14.04 as well for some applications in a way I don't really understand [07:48] the xmir fullscreen stuff always seemed pointless to me, however on the plus side, this means that 13.10 will be pretty solid, it is what I am using now [07:50] Or LTS could be bumped to 14.10 [07:53] surprised it wasn't mentioned in the technical board meeting yesterday [08:13] Good morning peeps :) [08:16] Good morning all; happy Farm Animals Day! :-D [08:17] moo [08:21] oink [08:25] Baa [08:25] nayyyyyyyyy [08:26] * DJones puts a saddle on MooDoo [08:28] DJones: ride em cowboy.......errr [08:28] DJones, MooDoo: that makes my perverted mind go to bad places [08:28] Now theres an idea, I've got the right boots, coat & hat, now, where did I put the whip [08:29] Ooh Er Mother [08:29] * diddledan grins mischeivously [08:39] noooooooooooooooooooo [08:45] I think I'm going to be a duck today. [08:46] yey [08:46] JamesTait: snap, a aqua planing duck :) [08:46] MooDoo, that almost sounds like a release codename. ;) [08:47] maybe for next time round. Code name for A is Aquaplaneing Duck [08:47] I read that as 'planning' several times, until I finally figured out where I was going wrong [08:47] maybe he's planning a pond [08:48] yeah I can't spell this early in the morning [08:49] actually has T been announced yet, speaking of release names? [08:49] nah I think you got it right. I just haven't had enough coffee to deal with scheming ducks just yet [08:50] MooDoo: nope, the last few were announced on release day (which messes up some packages that require the next release name in them) [08:51] excellent planning that [08:51] MooDoo: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DevelopmentCodeNames Some interesting suggestions listed [08:51] MooDoo: I vote for the tenacious tamarin [08:51] http://a-z-animals.com/animals/pictures/T/ [08:51] ah someone's already used tenacious [08:51] Talkative Toucan [08:52] tweakable tit? (a tit is a bird you disgusting-minded perverts!) [08:52] tippytoed tapir [08:53] Tipsy Tarantula [08:53] I find it entirely dissatisfying how few double entendres ubuntu has used as codenames [08:53] well we all know it's going to be obscure :) [08:54] Touchy Toad [08:54] toot toot! [08:54] Tempestuous Terrapin [08:56] Maybe they should do a google (eg Android KitKat), pick a food item named after an animal and see if they can get sponsorship from the food producer [08:56] http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/let-s-start-a-techmums-revolution is interesting, Dr Black of saving Bletchly fame is running it [08:57] DJones: penguin! [08:57] I think a brand would shout copyright infringement if it were done that way. It's likely that Google sat down with Nestlé for a long time before agreeing the name [08:58] bigcalm: apparently it was very quick [08:58] AlanBell: I am surprised [09:06] http://www.beerfestival.nottinghamcamra.org/Assets_pdf/Beer_2013_List.pdf [09:06] going to be hard to choose! [09:07] should be good [09:07] not sure if I'm going this year. [09:09] going to be difficult if you don't have a ticket [09:09] get down early on the saturday === ormiret_ is now known as ormiret [09:20] Laney: yeah they sold out when I tried to get tickets. [09:20] yep :( [09:21] Get the Friday off if you can and go down early [09:21] that's what we're doing [09:21] might just have to give it a miss and plan an ubuntu hour for next years ;) [09:22] haha [09:22] Laney: or just bulk buy tickets and have an ubuntu visit to nottingham llke they do darn sarf with the real ale train [09:22] Could do that, it's worth travelling for IMO [09:23] yup [09:23] might look into that [09:24] I'm really surprised there hasn't been an ubuntu hour hangout on air ;) [09:47] Laney: see what happens we talk about beer and nottingham and it all goes quiet :) [09:47] sorry I went into an IPA induced trance [09:48] better than an API induced one [09:53] We need an IPA API [09:55] one method: moreIPA(); [09:55] IPA = fusty guts [09:58] IPAoIP [09:59] IPAoIPoA (over ATM, like DSL is here...) [09:59] An IPAoIPoA API? [09:59] No` gave us beeroverip.org [10:00] and other weirder, frencher things [10:00] "And another consonant, please, Rachel." [10:00] Hehe [10:03] Morning all [10:04] bigcalm: no lug for me :( too much on [10:06] JamesTait: no Carol any more? [10:07] hasn't been for years [10:07] AlanBell, not any more. She's too busy adverising, well, pretty much anything. [10:07] gosh, since 2008 I haven't watched countdown [10:07] "I'll have a 'T', please, Bob." [10:08] and yes, Carol does do too many suspect advertising jobs [10:08] Rachel is a good reason to watch Strictly Come Dancing this year [10:08] bigcalm, is she a good dancer then? [10:08] She is perfect [10:08] In every way. [10:08] :D [10:08] bigcalm: or, indeed, Countdown... :-) [10:08] JamesTait: don't know, haven't watched it yet. I just find her lovely [10:09] especially the loan adverts, very very sad to see her endorsing high APR loans [10:09] 8 out of 10 does Countdown is spiffing \o/ [10:09] bigcalm, +1 [10:09] (while developing set top box apps the TV coicidentally ends up on C4 around 3pm quite a few times) [10:09] +1 [10:09] 10/10! Yay! [10:10] Hehe [10:10] Suzie is lovely as well [10:10] Have you seens here on celebrity countdown? She's hilarious on that [10:12] bigcalm, +1 there too. [10:15] http://i4.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article420635.ece/ALTERNATES/s615/rachel-riley-countdown-pic-pixel-72748871-420635.jpg - coarrrrrr ;) lol [10:16] have you seen rachel's husband? for such a beauty, he's a very average looking man. did i mention he's a millionaire? [10:17] now now [10:17] :P [10:17] I only watch strictly (yes I watch strictly) because of all the pretty eye-candy :-p [10:18] and anne widdecombe [10:18] lol [10:21] * davmor2 pictures diddledan watching strictly while listening to this in the background http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PhfbYtbpNxY [10:23] lol [10:25] I only watch Strictly because I have a 10 year old daughter and a wife. [10:25] I need to buy a new telly for the other room [10:26] popey: ipad [10:26] i know that feeling from somewhere. [10:26] and catchuptv app [10:26] soaps included. [10:26] my wife doesn't watch downton , eastenders or strictly, or ITV [10:26] i'm a lucky man [10:26] thank good ness my daughter is only two, it'll be cancelled by the times she's old enough to appreciate it lol [10:27] diddledan: can't connect an xbox to an ipad [10:27] lol [10:27] fair enough [10:27] One for czajkowski http://www.ebay.com/itm/Hot-Fashion-Cat-Face-Tote-Bag-Handbag-Purse-Japan-Muchacha-Ahcahcum-DMH07-/111159460157?pt=US_CSA_WH_Handbags&hash=item19e19ec13d&nma=true&si=6gkk9qYqnlstv9sHymnZ61WXEyY%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557 [10:28] bigcalm: no! [10:28] Hehe [10:28] Amusing that it's listed as a cat face bag [10:28] * AlanBell is mildly curious about how bigcalm came to find that page [10:28] google for "things to troll czajkowski with" [10:28] AlanBell: linked to from an ex-gf's tumblr blog [10:29] mgdm: ooo, tempting ;) [10:29] speaking of trolling czajkowski, is it mug night tomorrow? [10:29] mgdm: is that trollczajkowski.com ? [10:30] someone really thinks that's a cat's face?! [10:31] oh they do two versions [10:32] lol @ Package Content 1 * BAG [10:32] well duh [10:32] when ping packets have quick response, but only get sent every 5 secs instead of 1, is that a dns issue? [10:34] ping -n is quick [10:34] pretty sure it means no reverse lookup [10:36] mungbean: sounds like dns is timing out [10:36] Numeric output only. No attempt will be made to lookup symbolic names for host addresses. [10:36] that's what -n is [10:36] forward lookup works, reverse doesn't [10:37] I'll shut up [10:37] mungbean: dig -x 192.168.0.1 <-- replace with a meaningful ip [10:37] try again with +trace appended [10:37] that will indicate which dns server is failing [10:37] the dns server isn't failing [10:38] its cos the PTR record doesn't exist [10:38] that should return instantly [10:39] it should immediately return NXDOMAIN [10:39] if it's timing out then that's another issue entirely [10:40] ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NXDOMAIN, id: 49227 [10:41] AlanBell: it is Eliot is speaking [10:44] cool, and free pizza too :) === michelle is now known as Guest12816 [10:46] I alt-tab and see "free pizza"; what have I missed? [10:48] mongodb user group tomorrow [10:48] near silicon roundabout [10:48] ooh [11:00] pizza? [11:00] pizza [11:02] yum [11:11] popey: how many on the linux jobs mailing nowadays please? [11:11] approx [11:11] 700 [11:13] 1 of those is me :-) [11:13] thanks. static, or growing you think? [11:13] have a cool job coming up === iahmad_ is now known as iahmad|afk [11:13] you going to post it to the list? [11:14] when its released [11:14] still working on job desc [11:14] just make sure to adhere to the recommendations on the list admin page [11:15] is that this one? - http://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/linuxjobs [11:15] ? [11:15] features linux as a component of the role? [11:15] yeah they are reasonable rules [11:16] yes [11:16] people complain if salary details aren't there too [11:16] a browse back in the archive showing threads with more than one reply highlights this [11:16] what if ythey are in a link for full details? [11:17] the list members seem a bit anal [11:17] yes, yes they do [11:17] put plenty of detail in the mail [11:17] mentioned before that i got some interesting reply last time [11:17] not sure i want difficult people ;) [11:17] yeah, most are typical geeks with missing social skills [11:17] s/most/many/ [11:17] brill subscribed [11:18] soo that's 701 mungbean ;) [11:18] 700 was approx [11:19] I know I was just playing [11:19] * TheOpenSourcerer is at home feeling crap whilst Souther Electric dig up his garden looking for a broken power supply cable [11:19] eeeek [11:19] We are currently running of the street lamp ;-) [11:20] s\of\off [11:20] ouch still no power :( [11:20] Anyway - I think I'm being stupid. Want to ask about wireless APs [11:20] In my home office I have a broadband router with a wifi network [11:20] House is flood wired with cat5 [11:21] far away at the other end of the house i have a wifi AP - with 5 ethernet ports 1xWAN & 4 LAN [11:21] http://www.unixstickers.com/linux-keyboard-stickers [11:21] not seen those before [11:21] aha! i have defeated etherpad [11:22] its tangled corpse lies before my cluebat [11:22] etherpad lite? [11:22] yes [11:22] I want the remote AP to act as a bridge so the IP dhcp server is always on my main adsl router and all devices connected to either wifi network share the same subnet [11:22] which is inherently broken and bad in different yet similar ways to etherpad fat [11:22] Should this be hard to do or what? [11:22] TheOpenSourcerer, AP in bridge mode? [11:23] popey: no ubuntu or am i blind [11:23] correct [11:23] directhex: I think so yes. [11:23] TheOpenSourcerer: i have that setup here [11:23] But wifi bridges seem to refer to extending the wifi using wifi repeaters not over my physical LAN [11:24] So how do I configure the remote AP? [11:24] mine is just a netgear wifi router which has openwrt on it. works a treat [11:24] it's just a bridge [11:24] so whichever AP you're on you get an IP from the central DHCP server [11:24] exactly as you describe [11:24] Funky [11:25] Good so I'm not being stupid at least [11:25] All my googling failed. [11:25] I've read that you can also have the two networks use the same ssid and security keys and you'll float between them [11:25] I have a Netgear WNDR3700 which has two radios [11:25] thats what I do diddledan [11:26] Perhaps my second AP doesn't support bridging - I'm not wanting to bridge over the air. I have cat5 cable [11:26] Most don't [11:26] Hence me flashing with openwrt [11:27] which does ☻ [11:27] Ah - OK. [11:28] My router has two radios in it, so I have the 2nd one set to 5GHz. Laptop and phone then connect to whichever they like [11:29] I might have to flash my DG843G then I think [11:31] yeah, mine has two too [11:34] popey: I still haven't tried to fix my bricked WNDR3800. Buying yours was a much simpler option :) === iahmad|afk is now known as iahmad|afk|reall [11:37] my router doesn't support openwrt [11:39] MooDoo: have a look at DDWRT instead [11:40] MooDoo: Mine is listed on both however the gui part wasn't working on openwrt at the time of install but was on dd-wrt so I went with dd-wrt instead and it works very nicely :) [11:42] i have no gui on my openwrt [11:42] just telnet in and fiddle [11:46] popey: yeah I'm still finding my way around gateway commands as it is and needed the router up and running and configured so the gui was way quicker for me :) [11:46] hehe [11:47] mine is configured to have backup internet on a 3g dongle attached via USB [11:47] davmor2: I think mine is just too old :) [11:48] davmor2: yes not supported [11:57] TheOpenSourcerer: is it the same AP we have in the office? I have just been trying to get that into bridge mode for SIP stuffs [11:57] settled for a static IP address and the DMZ host thing [12:01] irssi reports lag on this chan now. didn't think it used to :S === iahmad_ is now known as iahmad| [12:03] halp, english assistance required === iahmad| is now known as iahmad [12:04] how do I write the sentence "Align the grid horizontally centrally"? [12:05] "Centre the grid horizontally" [12:05] text in the grid or the grid? [12:06] alanbell wins [12:12] Ah hi AlanBell [12:12] yes - the Tenda W311R [12:12] I *think* the way to do it is to connect the LAN to one of the switched ports and disable the dhcp server [12:13] Nut I haven't tried that yet. I was just eating a ragingly hot curry :-D [12:14] s\Nut\But [12:14] hi === alan_g is now known as alan_g|lunch [12:14] can enyone help me with ubuntu 13.04? [12:15] nothin wrong with the ubuntu, but the touch screen i'm usin... [12:15] dosen't work [12:16] TheOpenSourcerer: ooh, that might work [12:17] enyone here? [12:17] jaffa314: yes - but perhaps we can;t answer your question? [12:17] jaffa314: lots of people here [12:17] jaffa314: I don't think anyone's going to say they can definitely help without knowing what the problem is [12:17] maybe... [12:18] I have new pc running ubuntu [12:18] if I want to install something from a ppa and it hasn't published for the version of Ubuntu I am on, can I force it somehow? [12:18] 13.04 [12:18] without downloading the debs individually [12:18] and viewsonic tuoch screen is installed [12:19] but the tuoch function works only in folders [12:19] if it's compatible, just put the version that it is published for in your sources.list [12:19] AlanBell: ^ [12:19] Daviey: ah, right, that makes sense [12:20] deb http://launchpad/xx/x/x/x hardy main [12:20] :) [12:20] is there some spesific driver for tuoch screens? === schwuk_away is now known as schwuk [12:37] anyone using RabbitMQ or knows if it is a good thing? [12:37] I'm not using it myself but I know people who speak highly of it [12:38] I want a telephony thing to make something happen in a PHP application and I can apparently link them with rabbitMQ [12:38] (admittedly that's because I know one of the developers, but...) [12:44] i got a 100gb box.net account, but can't upload any files. great [12:46] rabbitmq is... not bug-free [12:55] rabbitmq is used for openstack isn't it? [12:55] maybe that's why openstack is so evil? :-p [12:58] nah, openstack's evil because the documentation is 2 years behind :/ === alan_g|lunch is now known as alan_g === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte [13:21] can i just dd a centos iso onto usb stick? [13:23] mungbean: I think it depends on the bios you're gonna boot it with [13:23] "normal" [13:24] for e.g. apple systems will happily boot from such a stick [13:24] not apple [13:25] uentbootin aint recognising any sticks [13:28] got unetbootin to comply [13:35] anyone know about unix sockets? I have an opensips server that is supposed to make a socket at /tmp/opensips.sock but if I look in /tmp I see nothing of the kind [13:35] should I see a file there for a socket? can I cat it to read from it or something? [13:36] centos kernel panic on boot :( [13:36] * bigcalm updates wedding website with new photo [13:39] AlanBell: you should see the file, yes [13:39] AlanBell: has it maybe ended up elsewhere, like /var/run or something? [13:42] mgdm: doesn't appear to [13:42] AlanBell: is it chrooted to /var/lib/* [13:42] however I just got UDP sockets working, so I might be able to run with that [13:43] don't think it is chrooted, in fact there is a /tmp/opensips_fifo present when it is running [13:43] is that not it? [13:43] AlanBell: Just moved the cat5 cable from the WAN port to one of the switched ports on the AP and it's now serving IPs from the other router's DHCP server ;-) [13:43] TheOpenSourcerer: awesome \o/ [13:44] AlanBell: that sounds lie it [13:44] Think that was all I did. [13:46] no, that fifo thing isn't it as far as I can tell, that is there even when I remove the bit that should create the socket I want [13:47] however if UDP works, and I can read from a UDP socket using PHP then I should be good to proceed [13:47] you can [13:48] http://php.net/manual/en/function.stream-socket-client.php [13:50] How would I express "192.168.1.8 - 192.168.1.10" as a / mask? [13:51] 192.168.1.8/30, but that will include .11 [13:51] (I think) [13:51] yeah, "you can't" [13:51] since it's not a power of 2 [13:51] I see [13:51] handy program , see sipcalc [13:51] e.g. sipcalc 192.168.1.8/30 [13:52] Ta, I'll let Rackspace work it out ;) [13:54] pwgen -1syc 16 [13:55] Nice and rememberable password generation :D [13:56] head -c 10 /dev/urandom | uuencode - [13:56] if you don't have pwgen for some reason [13:57] ali1234: pwgen isn't installed by default :( [13:57] (on Ubuntu) [13:57] neither is uuencode :( [14:00] ali1234, that misses the point of pwgen [14:00] which is? [14:01] ali1234, pwgen passwords are made of syllables, so they can be spoken out loud & memorized FAR more easily than random arrays of characters [14:01] not if you use -s [14:01] well, yes, that's true [14:01] but... don't [14:01] Hehe [14:01] It's for IPSec pre-shared keys [14:01] Not something that's going to be spoken, ever [14:02] * mgdm uses apg [14:02] mainly because I heard of it before pwgen [14:02] mgdm: a 3 letter password is rather insecure [14:02] * bigcalm h4x0r5 mgdm [14:02] well done :P [14:03] That took a lot of damn effort to type [14:03] how do you set up a user so that they have no password and can only be accessed using su or sudo? [14:03] --disabled-password param to adduser? [14:04] Set their shell to /bin/false ? [14:04] passwd -d [14:04] bigcalm: no, i still want to su to the used [14:04] er, wait, -d is passwordless [14:04] Ah [14:04] directhex: yeah, i *don't* want passwordless logins - hat's the exact opposite of what i want [14:04] -l [14:04] * bigcalm goes back to poking Rackspace [14:05] directhex: the man pages aren't clear on which is which imo [14:05] so i settled for a random 64 character password made with -s [14:06] disk utility says "warning the partition is misaligned by 1024 bytes, this may result in very poor performance" [14:06] seen that before? [14:06] bigcalm: you probably are looking for 192.168.1.8/30, since if you subnet it, .11 will be your broadcast address - .9 and .10 will be the only usable IPs [14:07] shauno: no subnets. It's very specific usage with no future expansion [14:08] shauno: I had wondered if he was using it for something like tcpwrappers or a firewall or some such [14:08] I'll go with the /30 [14:08] so the broadcast address wouldn't actually happen, if you see what i mean [14:09] does netmask actually have to be all 1s and then all 0s? or can you have say ...1101 [14:10] I'm not actually sure if netmask does. wildcard doesn't, cidr does, netmask I'm unsure of [14:10] how do you spell the woman's name that is a bit like "Romain" [14:10] Cisco (I think) have something that is like the inverse of a netmask, and doesn't need to be contiguous [14:11] but I can't think what it's called [14:11] netmask generally speaking though does have to be contiguous [14:11] mgdm, yeah, that's the 'wildcard' one. eg, /30 would be 0.0.0.3 [14:11] ah, oops [14:12] A sysadmin friend of mine told me about it once, and I went 'wat' [14:12] AlanBell: romane? [14:12] Romaine doesn't appear to have bounced [14:13]