[00:42] <knome> so what's your real question?
[00:42] <knome> would you like to help with the technical development of the website?
[00:42] <Jovanny> Yes
[00:43] <knome> all the themes/plugins code is available at https://launchpad.net/xubuntu-website
[00:43] <knome> i'm working on a theme refresh currently though, and not all of that is in yet
[00:44] <knome> so what would your suggestion with the translations be?
[00:46] <Jovanny> mmm, using directories, could be ?
[00:46] <knome> that's one option, but it becomes a burden to maintain if there are numerous of languages with numerous of pages
[00:47] <Jovanny> You're Pasi Lallinaho ?
[00:47] <knome> yep
[00:47] <knome> that might be doable if we did a brief page including only the most basic information about xubuntu and only translate that to other languages
[00:48] <Jovanny> I'm talking about the main page, the wiki could be later
[00:48] <knome> yes, i'm talking about the website as well.
[00:49] <knome> i don't think it's a sensible effort to translate all the pages without a translation framework
[00:49] <Jovanny> You're the only one in this?
[00:50] <knome> i'm the only contributor to the website theme and plugins itself, yes
[00:50] <knome> but we do have a team who maintains the website
[00:51] <Jovanny> the main page is wordpress?
[00:51] <knome> to be honest, the technical solution is one of the smallest issues; maintaining the translations is going to be much more work
[00:51] <knome> yes, it's wordpress
[00:51] <Jovanny> And why not install a plugin for translations ?
[00:52] <knome> the plugins that are around are not ready enough for production, except maybe WPML, but that comes with other issues (paid, could get a free copy for a non-profit org, but since we're not an organization, maybe not; don't want to depend on something like that)
[00:54] <knome> have you used the wordpress translation/i18n plugins yourself?
[00:54] <Jovanny> translation plugin ?
[00:54] <Jovanny> no
[00:54] <Jovanny> and what do you plan, make our own plugin ?
[00:54] <knome> that's one possibility
[00:55] <knome> i have something put up already, but that's far from ready for production
[00:56] <knome> the two major problems with most of the plugins are scalability to many languages while keeping the admin interface clean and user permissions
[00:56] <Jovanny> I think that is better making the page without depending of wordpress
[00:56] <knome> that's not an option
[00:57] <Jovanny> mmm
[00:57] <knome> that would mean we would either have to 1) get the canonical IS update the static page every time we want modifications 2) another CMS/admin interface to modify the files
[00:57] <Jovanny> http://wordpress.org/plugins/transposh-translation-filter-for-wordpress/
[00:58] <knome> yes, i know there are translation plugins for wordpress and i have investigated them
[00:58] <knome> as i said, none of them are ready for production
[00:58] <knome> (or suitable for us, mostly because they have one or both of the two problems i mentioned earlier)
[01:00] <Jovanny> I could try the something that you say that is already put up on wp
[01:01] <knome> as i said, it's far from ready for production
[01:01] <Jovanny> why it is far from ready for production ?
[01:02] <knome> because there isn't all functionality the plugin needs or it isn't working properly
[01:03] <knome> thanks for offering the help, but i don't need help with that right now (read: yet)
[01:04] <Jovanny> LOL, and why not making a simple sub page in wordpress and I will write that in spanish ?
[01:04] <knome> as i said, that's one option
[01:04] <Jovanny> then ?, help me with that 
[01:04] <knome> the first step to that would be considering if that's what we want, and then writing the english page to be translated first
[01:05] <knome> pleia2, ^
[01:06] <Jovanny> we or you ?
[01:08] <knome> the decision should be taken by the website team, the english "base" page can be then be written by anybody, with the website/marketing/xubuntu team reviewing
[01:08] <knome> i have updated bug 797600
[01:08] <knome> i'd suggest subscribing to that to follow the process
[01:08] <Unit193> Jovanny: Don't take this the wrong way, we're trying to come up with something that in the future will be easy to maintain as well as for now. :)
[01:09] <knome> yay, wiki works
[01:11] <knome> ok, it's past 4am here
[01:11] <knome> i'm off to bed
[01:12] <knome> Jovanny, thanks for the interest, hoping to see you later in this channel. sorry for not having anything to translate atm.
[01:12] <knome> ->
[01:12] <Jovanny> ok
[01:45] <micahg> ochosi: knome: unless there's another option to have working indicators, I'm going to try to sort out the packaging tomorrow night for the gtk3 stuff and see if we can get a release exception, I'll throw it up in a PPA first, that'll give us about a week to test/land it
[01:46] <Unit193> Debian has libxfceui in exp at least, with gtk3 support.
[01:46] <micahg> great, that's one problem solved then
[01:49] <Unit193> There's 2 commits after the latest (last I looked) xfce4-indicator-plugin that would be interesting, scroll wheel over volume and scroller click on it to mute.  Hopefully helpful.
[08:44] <knome> micahg, +1 for gtk3 indicators all the way.
[08:47] <Noskcaj> GTK3 indicators would be great. If you can't make that, can you at least get indicators 1.0.0 in?
[09:12] <knome> hey ochosi, you still around?
[09:12] <knome> elfy, you around?
[09:12] <Unit193> I am. \o/
[09:13] <knome> Unit193, want to test something on saucy? bug 1231978, see last comment
[09:15] <knome> also, could check if bug 1233904 is fixed with that as well
[09:16] <Unit193> Hrm, VM doesn't have the deps for gvfs, and it's 5am.  Could in a couple hours though.
[09:16] <knome> heh. go to sleep
[09:18] <knome> upgrading my own vm to the latest packages and testing that
[09:19] <Unit193> Trying to see if I want to fix some ssl cert problem first. ;P
[09:19] <knome> not going to do any harm while you sleep
[09:19] <knome> and probably better brains in the morning
[09:34] <ochosi> knome: does no-one read bugcomments anymore?
[09:34] <knome> ochosi, he asked "again"
[09:35] <knome> but meh, i tried to do that, and failed to confirm the original bug
[09:35] <ochosi> anyhoo, i'm off for now ->
[09:35] <knome> if you have an installation where you have that bug with the latest packages, could you confirm and retest?
[09:35] <knome> äsch :)
[09:43] <brainwash> pitti did not read ochosi's comments :(
[09:43] <knome> he did. he asked to test it again
[09:43] <knome> can we stop being drama llamas?
[09:44] <knome> at least somebody is looking into the bug and trying to help
[09:44] <bluesabre> llama llama
[09:44] <brainwash> yea, finally :P
[09:44] <knome> brainwash, please.
[09:45] <knome> brainwash, if you wanted somebody to look at the bug earlier, just get ahold of them and try to discuss with people. subscribing random people to bugs is hardly helpful when they are busy
[09:45] <knome> i mean it's a good thing to do that and the situation would probably be different if we weren't at this point of the cycle, but since we are, it's not realistic to expect people to give priority to our bugs
[09:46] <brainwash> I know, but pitti did the package update and seb18 told me to report upstram, so I commented on the upstream report
[09:47] <knome> fair, but whining that nobody looked at a bug isn't constructive
[09:47] <knome> get on with it and ask again if things are stalled.
[09:47] <knome> or try to fix/triage it yourself or find somebody else who could help
[09:49] <brainwash> ok, next time I ping him directly
[09:50] <knome> that works. to be clear; i don't mind the way you did the communication this time either
[09:51] <knome> it's the attitude that irks me
[09:52] <brainwash> I know, the main issue was basically that I wasn't able to fix it after messing with gvfs some hours.. so I got a little mad
[09:52] <knome> that's understandable, but doesn't warrant blaming others for not looking at it
[09:53] <knome> but i still can't reproduce the bug on a saucy installation.
[09:55] <brainwash> not even with xfdkestop, after deleting a file and the hovering over the trash icon?
[09:57] <brainwash> xfdesktop should lock up after doing so
[09:58] <knome> i hit that when i reboot
[09:58] <knome> don't know why
[09:59] <knome> (the thunar process in the saved session crashed)
[09:59] <knome> can browse trash and open new thunar instances from desktop without problems though
[10:00] <knome> and xfdesktop is running properly
[10:00] <brainwash> and even delete the trash content with right-click on the trash icon in the side panel?
[10:01] <brainwash> maybe you need to delete at least 1 file to actually trigger it
[10:01] <knome> that i can confirm
[10:01] <Unit193> brainwash: Was yours an upgrade or fresh?
[10:02] <knome> but xfdesktop is still running as normal
[10:02] <brainwash> fresh
[10:02] <brainwash> gvfs 1.18.1+
[10:02] <brainwash> I can reproduce it with thunar, pcmanfm and xfdekstop
[10:02] <brainwash> not with nautilus, nemo
[10:05] <Noskcaj> Did we ever find out if it affects debian?
[10:22] <ochosi> knome: i get a weird bug in gmusicbrowser, it's only a visual oddity, but can you confirm? http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-10022013-122142pm.php
[10:23] <brainwash> encoding problem?
[10:23] <ochosi> probably, but not sure why 
[10:26] <ochosi> doesn't seem to happen when i run gmusicbrowser from git though...
[10:41] <brainwash> ochosi: it's not song title specific, right?
[10:41] <ochosi> nope
[10:41] <ochosi> should be in every group
[10:41] <ochosi> group=album
[10:46] <ochosi> seems to be solely related to the "«" character
[10:52] <brainwash> yes, looks ok here
[10:52] <brainwash> (test machine)
[10:52] <brainwash> if you hover over the "«", a lock icon will appear
[11:11] <knome> ochosi, i can confirm i don't have that bug ;)
[11:11] <ochosi> phew, good
[11:12] <ochosi> brainwash: that's different, you have to go to the grouped view, the thing you're describing is actually an image that gets replaced on hover by the lock-icon ;)
[11:12] <knome> in raring, that is
[11:12] <knome> with the version that is in raring
[11:12] <ochosi> well i didn't have the issue in raring
[11:12] <ochosi> so that doesn't help
[11:12] <knome> heh, well you didn't specify...
[11:12] <ochosi> it seems to be new in saucy
[11:12] <knome> ok, i'll boot up my saucy vm
[11:12] <ochosi> well tbh i couldn't care less about raring bugs atm :)
[11:13] <knome> yeah yeah, but you didn't specify
[11:18] <brainwash> ochosi: ok, I can confirm this
[11:20] <ochosi> :/
[11:20] <ochosi> not nice
[11:20] <knome> yep, can confirm
[11:20] <knome> where's the «'s defined?
[11:29] <ochosi> in /usr/share/gmusicbrowser/layouts/shimmer.layout
[11:29] <ochosi> in the group-section
[11:29] <knome> looking at that and other stuff that might give the error
[11:30] <brainwash> https://github.com/shimmerproject/gmusicbrowser/blob/master/layouts/shimmer.layout#L137
[11:30] <knome> where do the song title «'s come from?
[11:34] <knome> oomph
[11:34] <knome> -+title:	text(markup='<b><big>'.pesc($title).'</big></b>'.if(!$_expanded,'<big><b>»</b></big>'),pad=2,w=left))
[11:34] <knome> ++title:	text(markup='<b><big>'.pesc($title).'</big></b>'.if(!$_expanded,'<big><b>Ã‚Â»</b></big>'),pad=2,w=left))
[11:34] <knome> @ http://launchpadlibrarian.net/148671131/gmusicbrowser_1.1.9-2_1.1.10-0ubuntu1.diff.gz
[11:34] <meetingology> knome: Error: "http://launchpadlibrarian.net/148671131/gmusicbrowser_1.1.9-2_1.1.10-0ubuntu1.diff.gz" is not a valid command.
[11:34]  * knome slaps meetingology 
[11:35] <knome> lderan, there's not even a meeting on!
[11:35] <lderan> its gone mad!
[11:35] <knome> lderan, note the @ at the beginning of the line
[11:35] <lderan> aye 
[11:35] <lderan> :P
[11:35] <lderan> @test
[11:35] <meetingology> lderan: Error: "test" is not a valid command.
[11:36] <knome> ochosi, the problem seems to be visible in the .layout file, but how did one "reset" a layout again?
[11:37] <ochosi> knome: just edit the file, save it and restart gmusicbrowser
[11:37] <knome> did, but that doesn't work
[11:38] <ochosi> it did here
[11:39] <ochosi> but you have to edit the songtree.layout file
[11:39] <knome> ah..
[11:39] <ochosi> (as stated in the diff you pointed to ;))
[11:39] <knome> heh
[11:39] <knome> yeah, anyway
[11:39] <knome> i think it's bluesabre's fault
[11:39] <ochosi> possible
[11:39] <knome> we just need a new upload with fixed source files for layouts
[11:41] <ochosi> all the names of the translaters are also borked
[11:41] <ochosi> 'Finnish : Jiri GrÃ¶nroos'
[11:41] <knome> bah
[11:42] <knome> just run it through recode
[11:42] <ochosi> obviously translations are also broken
[11:43] <knome> :/
[11:43] <ochosi> yeah, shouldn't be too hard
[11:43] <ochosi> and at least that one doesn't need a FFe for sure...
[11:43] <knome> hah
[11:43] <ochosi> probably it can be done though together with the albuminfo fix
[11:43] <knome> yep
[11:43] <ochosi> so it'd be just one upload
[11:43] <ochosi> bluesabre: any idea how to fix all these encoding issues here? http://launchpadlibrarian.net/148671131/gmusicbrowser_1.1.9-2_1.1.10-0ubuntu1.diff.gz
[11:44] <knome> ochosi, as i said, just run through recode ;)
[11:44] <ochosi> knome: thanks for testing and finding the culprit
[11:44] <knome> sudo apt-get install recode; recode ISO-8859-1..UTF-8 [filenames]  <- should do it
[11:45] <ochosi> kewl
[11:45] <knome> better double-check, but that ought to be the it
[11:45] <ochosi> bluesabre: ^ :)
[11:45] <knome> i'm not sure if that's the real solution, since the « (UTF-8) characters *are* there
[11:45] <knome> seems semi-fishy
[11:46] <ochosi> bbiab
[11:48] <brainwash> so recoding it will add another « ?
[11:48] <knome> dunno.
[11:48] <knome> maybe
[11:51] <brainwash> bug 1234050 is most likely a duplicate of the thunar trash lock up, can anyone confirm this kind of lock up?
[11:52] <knome> not a duplicate as is, but possibly can be caused by the same changes
[11:53] <knome> i think i saw another samba bug, which was most probably related
[11:54] <brainwash> bug 1232324
[11:54] <knome> that wasn't it
[11:59] <knome> ergh, i think i hit another bug in gmb
[11:59] <knome> if you drag and drop tracks to queue exactly when a track is changing, they aren't visible in the queue
[11:59] <knome> but the songtree has the queue-icons
[12:00] <knome> let's see if they are in queue or not.
[12:00] <knome> oh wait, advancing in queue makes them visible
[12:57] <ochosi> knome: guess that one should go upstream
[12:58] <knome> yeah
[12:58] <elfy> knome: not really here till later today, but I expect you guessed 
[12:58] <knome> elfy, np
[12:58] <elfy> saw the bug comments though
[12:59] <knome> bbl
[15:46] <slickymaster> knome: ping
[17:12] <brainwash> ochosi: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/upstart/1.10-0ubuntu2
[22:23] <bluesabre> ochosi, knome: probably my fault, but not sure how
[22:25] <bluesabre> maybe debdiff corrupts encoding?
[22:25] <knome> maybe
[22:26] <bluesabre> sure would be nice if this debdiff wasn't so freaking huge :)
[22:31] <bluesabre> the shimmer.layout file looks fine
[22:32]  * bluesabre wonders if its a perl-gtk2 problem
[22:33]  * knome shrugs
[22:33] <bluesabre> or maybe not
[22:33] <bluesabre> thats so weird
[22:34] <knome> what does your 'locale' say?
[22:34] <bluesabre> en_US.UTF-8
[22:35] <knome> ok, good, just checking
[22:41] <bluesabre> :\
[22:41] <bluesabre> any idea where the debdiff I gave to micahg for that went?
[22:41] <bluesabre> :)
[22:43] <bluesabre> can't seem to find it, I wonder if I dpasted it and it lost the encoding or something crazy
[22:44] <knome> uh
[22:44] <knome> no idea
[22:44] <bluesabre> guess I'll see about getting a fix of some sort up
[22:53] <bluesabre> ??
[22:53] <knome> yep
[22:53] <knome> that'd be cool
[22:53] <bluesabre> ochosi, can you verify if the encoding issues are in your /usr/share/gmusicbrowser/layouts/shimmer.layout
[22:57] <brainwash> wasn't it songtree.layout?
[22:57] <bluesabre> oh
[22:58] <bluesabre> woops
[22:58] <bluesabre> ok, now I have a more reasonable place to look
[23:07] <bluesabre> knome: is there an lp bug for the encoding problem?
[23:07] <knome> i don't know, i don't think so
[23:07] <bluesabre> k, I think I might attach the fix to the upload I'm waiting for mr_pouit to do
[23:08] <bluesabre> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gmusicbrowser/+bug/1223808
[23:08] <knome> yep
[23:09] <bluesabre> except, thats probably not okay
[23:09] <knome> well they are both bugfixes, right?
[23:10]  * bluesabre would have a much easier time with the ability to upload
[23:10] <bluesabre> yeah, but different bugs
[23:10] <ali1234> i found a bug :/
[23:11] <bluesabre> another one? D:
[23:11] <ali1234> open two terminals, mark one "always on top", run "notify-send hello" in the other one, wait for notification to disappear, focus has now moved to the "always on top" terminal
[23:13] <brainwash> isn't that a feature? :)
[23:16] <ali1234> reported https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10384
[23:49] <bluesabre> micahg, mr_pouit, if either of you get a chance to upload this fix: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gmusicbrowser/+bug/1223808
[23:49] <bluesabre> Please include this very minor fix as well: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gmusicbrowser/+bug/1234448
[23:52] <ochosi> hey bluesabre 
[23:55] <ochosi> thanks for getting that patch together, but the encoding problem goes far further. if you look at the debdiff, even translations are corrupt now
[23:56] <bluesabre> :(
[23:56] <ochosi> sorry, i'd rather say your patch fixes everything...
[23:57] <bluesabre> can you give me a quick example
[23:57] <bluesabre> filename?
[23:57] <ochosi> one sec, gotta check the diff knome pasted earlier again
[23:57] <bluesabre> thanks
[23:59] <ochosi> bluesabre: you can e.g. search for "Â" here: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/148671131/gmusicbrowser_1.1.9-2_1.1.10-0ubuntu1.diff.gz