| DrMrHorse | Hello all. I'm trying to add a keyboard layout to the keyboard layout handler, but my choices are greyed out. I'm using Lubuntu 13.04. Thanks in advance! | 00:56 |
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| DrMrHorse | gtg, thanks anyway | 01:21 |
| Canucktux2 | Rory: just tried that, didn't work | 01:44 |
| entreri | hello, I bought a touchscreen monitor for my PC, runing lubuntu. How to enable touch ? | 03:16 |
| kristal | entreri: what monitor is it? | 03:23 |
| entreri | kristal, Acer Smart Display | 03:24 |
| Unit193 | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touchscreen doesn't seem like it'd help much either. | 03:24 |
| kristal | entreri: Does it use USB for the touch part? | 03:24 |
| entreri | hdmi | 03:24 |
| kristal | uhh.. you can't do touch over hdmi | 03:25 |
| entreri | maybe I should plug a usb cable as well ? | 03:25 |
| entreri | it came with one | 03:25 |
| kristal | derp yes | 03:25 |
| entreri | I'll try | 03:25 |
| kristal | hdmi can do sound and video, it has no general serial for things like touch | 03:26 |
| entreri | yeah it works | 03:29 |
| entreri | but buggy a little :P | 03:30 |
| entreri | I guess I'll have to dowbload software to make it more touch-friendly | 03:30 |
| kristal | entreri: what does lsusb say about it? maybe there's a ppa with better drivers. | 03:32 |
| entreri | Bus 001 Device 002: ID 1bcf:288a Sunplus Innovation Technology Inc. | 03:36 |
| entreri | Bus 001 Device 003: ID 0502:33e8 Acer, Inc. | 03:36 |
| vite | Hi, I have been running lubuntu for about a year, with no fuss, but now I have an issue. The software updater tells me I have to update. then it tells me there is not enough space on the /boot to run the apt-get clean command | 04:11 |
| vite | I have run it as sudo and root, but I keep getting the same issue | 04:11 |
| vite | any advice? | 04:11 |
| Unit193 | Remove some old kernels. | 04:11 |
| vite | how? | 04:11 |
| kristal | vite: Synaptic | 04:12 |
| vite | which one should I remove | 04:12 |
| kristal | vite: I'd leave the newest and oldest on if you have more than 2 installed | 04:12 |
| Unit193 | sudo apt-get autoremove or list them with dpkg -l | grep -e linux-image -e linux-headers and all but two latest. | 04:12 |
| kristal | also apt-get autoclean | 04:12 |
| vite | ok so sudo apt-get remove and then apt-get autoclean | 04:13 |
| kristal | vite: ya | 04:13 |
| vite | with the autoremove I get 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 16 not upgraded. | 04:13 |
| vite | I get done | 04:14 |
| vite | lets runt the software updater | 04:14 |
| kristal | vite: synaptic is better for updating imo | 04:14 |
| vite | would installing python modules affect the lubuntu software updater? | 04:14 |
| kristal | vite: shouldn't | 04:15 |
| vite | kristal: I run apt-get upgrade but still get the message from the updater... | 04:15 |
| kristal | vite: have synaptic installed? | 04:15 |
| vite | yeah, let me do synaptic | 04:15 |
| vite | kristal: seems that synaptic is actually running the install | 04:17 |
| vite | should I remove the autoupdater then? to avoid dual functions? | 04:18 |
| kristal | vite: Ya I just use synaptic for everything, it's a more powerful tool. | 04:18 |
| kristal | vite: install things, remove, update, manage repos, etc etc | 04:18 |
| kristal | vite: you can remove the auto updater or just disable it (startup programs) | 04:19 |
| vite | hmm lets disable it cause I don't want it to bug the general system behavior | 04:20 |
| vite | what does the nepomuk cleaner do? | 04:20 |
| ianorlin | /me doesn't know | 04:21 |
| kristal | that's some kde thing | 04:21 |
| kristal | in synaptic if you right clign on a program you can get more info | 04:21 |
| * vite is wondering if he should go with ubuntu minimal and then just install lxde over it, to just get the bare minimal | 04:22 | |
| kristal | vite: Ubuntu 13.10 is really close to release. | 04:22 |
| ianorlin | yep | 04:23 |
| vite | or just do a distro upgrade | 04:23 |
| kristal | vite: Lubuntu/ubuntu/xubuntu/ubuntu-gnome are all nice distros, i prefer them over ubuntu itself | 04:23 |
| kristal | lubuntu/kubunut/...* | 04:23 |
| vite | well I've been running lubuntu, just got this bug now | 04:23 |
| kristal | vite: How to waste a lot of time in ubuntu: browse the huge package list in synaptic :P | 04:25 |
| ianorlin | yep | 04:25 |
| kristal | oooo a game, ooo some random thing i may find useful | 04:25 |
| kristal | OpenTTD is one of the best, although I can't find a good fallout-like game | 04:26 |
| vite | kristal: vite spends most of his time, working with bitcoin related things, that seem to work very well with ubuntu | 04:26 |
| vite | so why would the apt-get update && apt-get upgrade not work on the cli, but they work on synaptic? | 04:27 |
| kristal | vite: synaptic is smarter | 04:27 |
| vite | funny thing was writing a small python script (me learning the language as a hobby). worked on my pc, then when I tried to get it on the vps I had to install a whole bunch of python modules... great learning experience | 04:28 |
| Myrtti | upgrade is a bit silly | 04:28 |
| ianorlin | why? | 04:28 |
| Myrtti | dist-upgrade is smarter | 04:29 |
| vite | synaptic failed also http://paste.pound-python.org/show/2PELLe0xvVZAQahgBpl2/ | 04:30 |
| Myrtti | latter installs new packages upgrades are depending on, former doesn't | 04:30 |
| Unit193 | upgrade is "safer" so if you want to cron it. ;) | 04:32 |
| vite | any advice? | 04:32 |
| vite | you think its cause I have custom software? | 04:33 |
| vite | gonna run the distupgrade, might fix up the dependancy issues | 04:35 |
| vite | LOL lubuntu found a bug | 04:37 |
| vite | seems to be a known bug | 04:39 |
| Noskcaj | Can one of the lubuntu testers please confirm bug 1206684? | 07:16 |
| ubottu | bug 1206684 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "Rendering errors at lubuntu language select screen (Install and OEM-setup)" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1206684 | 07:16 |
| alentu | Hi | 10:06 |
| alentu | Hola desde España | 10:06 |
| alentu | Hi from Spain | 10:06 |
| alentu | i have a question, are there in right-click menus any desktop launcher maker? I had to use ln command | 10:08 |
| alentu | i'm also having problems with adobe flash player installation, youtube is not working | 10:13 |
| alentu | i have a question, are there in right-click menus any desktop launcher maker? I had to use ln command. The flashplayer thing is resolved | 10:30 |
| edburns | Greetings Programs. | 14:26 |
| edburns | I downloaded and burnt the default ISO just this morning. I booted from it (thanks for giving me the acpi=off), answered a few questions and walked away. When I came back, the system was at a desktop with a "Install Lubuntu" icon. Now what do I do? | 14:27 |
| edburns | I was surprised to find the system at a desktop. | 14:28 |
| edburns | Do I need to run the installer icon from the desktop? | 14:28 |
| edburns | It never asked me for a userid or anything like that. Is that normal? | 14:29 |
| edburns | Hello, anyone here? | 14:55 |
| Rory | edburns: Yes that's normal | 15:01 |
| Rory | edburns: Run the installer and follow the instructions. You'll be asked to set up a user ID and all that stuff as part of the installation | 15:01 |
| edburns | Rory: Ok, thanks for your response. So it just seems odd that I have to run the installer from within the installer. | 15:01 |
| Rory | No, you're currently on a Live system | 15:02 |
| Rory | The installer is one part of that | 15:02 |
| edburns | Rory: I mean, I booted from the CD that I burnt from the ISO. I answered some questions (overwrite something, overwrite everything, etc), and then the whole process stops. | 15:02 |
| edburns | And I have to run the installer again. Doesn't that seem wierd? | 15:03 |
| Rory | edburns: Did it say the installation is complete? | 15:03 |
| Rory | edburns: It's probable you just still have the CD in your drive :P | 15:03 |
| Rory | edburns: Take it out and reboot | 15:03 |
| edburns | I didn't see any message about the installation being complete. | 15:03 |
| edburns | Rory: Yes, I did have the CD in the drive. | 15:03 |
| edburns | Would the "installation complete" message auto-dismiss itself? | 15:04 |
| Questguy | Yes, Im finally here | 15:04 |
| Questguy | I need some help | 15:04 |
| Rory | No, it'll have two options, one is to reboot, and the other is to continue using the live system | 15:04 |
| Rory | Hello Questguy you should ask a question that has an answer! | 15:04 |
| Questguy | Where the hell is our flash player? I cant found it | 15:05 |
| Questguy | it was in software center before... | 15:05 |
| edburns | Rory: Now it's asking me "Where are you?" It didn't ask me that before. If I leave the install unattended, does it just time out and go to the live CD? | 15:05 |
| Rory | Questguy: sudo apt-get install flashplugin-installer | 15:06 |
| Rory | edburns: How far did you get in the installation before? Did it ask you for a username, and type your password twice, etc? | 15:06 |
| Questguy | I tried to install it from Adobe's site, but for some reason its not downloading it. Thank you, I might try to download it with the terminal, it might work | 15:06 |
| edburns | Rory: No, it didn't ask me for that. | 15:07 |
| Rory | edburns: Then you didn't do the installation. Run the installer from the desktop and follow *all* the instructions | 15:07 |
| Rory | edburns: Don't cancel part-way through. if it crashes, let me know | 15:07 |
| edburns | Rory: I booted from the CD. I set the acpi=off option on the ascii startup screen. I returned to the ascii startup screen and chose "Install Lubuntu". I selected English. The computer grinded along for a while. I answered the question about what I want to overwrite with "Overwrite the existing ubuntu". I clicked continue, and I walked away. | 15:08 |
| edburns | Rory: When I came back, it was sitting at a desktop with a sole icon on it, titled "Install Lubuntu". | 15:09 |
| Rory | edburns: Sounds like the installer crashed partway through | 15:09 |
| Rory | edburns: Go through the installer, and don't walk away until you've answered all the questions | 15:09 |
| edburns | Rory: That sounds like a reasonable conclusion that it crashed while I had stepped away. | 15:09 |
| Rory | It's either that or a brief power outage | 15:10 |
| edburns | Rory: I may just use the alternate install. Right now it seems hung on the "Where are you?" screen, selecting the Locale. | 15:10 |
| edburns | Rory: The CD rom drive is still grinding, though. | 15:10 |
| Rory | edburns: I'd go with a dodgy download or a dodgy burn | 15:10 |
| edburns | Rory: But the "Continue" button is greyed out. | 15:10 |
| Rory | edburns: Is there an option (along with Try... and Install...) to check the integrity of the CD? | 15:10 |
| Rory | edburns: (When you first boot from the CD, that is) | 15:10 |
| edburns | Rory: Yes, there is. I didn't do that, though. | 15:11 |
| edburns | Rory: If it fails this time, I'll try that. | 15:11 |
| Rory | It could be something happened burning the CD | 15:12 |
| edburns | Rory: The installation is proceeding nicely now. Thanks for your help. I have some more questions. | 15:35 |
| Rory | edburns: Ask away =) | 15:35 |
| edburns | Rory: Because I put acpi=off in the install options on the startup screen, will that preference automatically be conveyed to the grub config or must I manually put that in the grub config after the install? | 15:35 |
| Rory | edburns: Good question! I'd guess the answer is you would have to do it again, in the file "/etc/default/grub" and then run "sudo update-grub" afterwards | 15:36 |
| Rory | edburns: However, I don't know for sure because I've never had to play with boot options (other than nomodeset) | 15:37 |
| edburns | Rory: This really is an old laptop, 11 years old now. So I have to set that option otherwise I can't see X. | 15:37 |
| Rory | Sounds like a project | 15:38 |
| wxl | edburns: Rory is right. you'll need to mess with the grub config in order for it to be permanent. startup screen settings are temporary. | 15:47 |
| edburns | wxl: Rory: doch doch, I must say that the /etc/default/grub file does have this text: GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX="acpi=off". | 15:56 |
| edburns | wxl: Rory: That seems to me like the preference was indeed carried forward. | 15:56 |
| Rory | Well I never | 15:56 |
| edburns | Let me try rebooting! | 15:56 |
| edburns | Rory: Isn't that something? | 15:56 |
| Rory | edburns: Oh yeah no | 15:56 |
| Rory | edburns: the /etc/default/grub is only in the live environment | 15:57 |
| edburns | Ah, ok. | 15:57 |
| Rory | edburns: The actual file on your hard drive won't have that | 15:57 |
| edburns | Well, I did boot from the hard disk. The CD is sitting on the desk next to the laptop. | 15:57 |
| edburns | Rory: Is there some other file I need to edit? | 15:57 |
| edburns | Or is it the case that the file contains that because I manually added it myself when I started from the hard disk in the "Advanced Options" screen from GRUB? | 15:58 |
| edburns | Rory: wxl: I think the system is behaving as expected. I need to put it in the GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT line. | 16:01 |
| Rory | edburns: The latter is the case | 16:01 |
| Rory | edburns: If it aint broke don't fix it | 16:01 |
| edburns | Yes, indeed. | 16:02 |
| wxl | agreed | 16:02 |
| wxl | it is likely that if you specified something at install, it may have been carried into the grub install | 16:02 |
| wxl | i could see a justification for that | 16:02 |
| Rory | Is it really wxl ? If it is, that behaviour is new, but very welcomne | 16:02 |
| wxl | on the other hand i could see a justification for it to NOT do that | 16:02 |
| wxl | i certainly wouldn't expect it | 16:02 |
| edburns | Rory: Now, is there any chance I could get my old PCMCIA WiFi card working with Lubuntu? | 16:03 |
| edburns | wxl: Rory: I think automatically carrying it forward is probably not the right choice. | 16:03 |
| wxl | the install might also have some way of testing acpi functionality | 16:03 |
| edburns | wxl: Rory: It's probably best to leave it as is. | 16:03 |
| edburns | Wow, it sure does boot up fast. | 16:03 |
| wxl | edburns: need some more specific info on the wifi card | 16:03 |
| edburns | Very nice. | 16:04 |
| wxl | lspci should get you that info | 16:04 |
| edburns | It is a linksys Wireless N Notebook adapter. | 16:04 |
| wxl | lspci my friend, lspci :) | 16:04 |
| wxl | the pci-id is what i'm looking for | 16:04 |
| edburns | wxl: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/3189195 | 16:07 |
| edburns | wxl: The card *is* inserted, but I don't see any lights on it. | 16:07 |
| wxl | edburns: was it inserted before boot? | 16:07 |
| wxl | (p.s. you don't need to sudo lspci) | 16:08 |
| wxl | ((p.p.s. don't sudo unless you need to)) | 16:08 |
| Rory | edburns: Does it plug in via USB? If so its lsusb | 16:08 |
| wxl | Rory: pcmcia | 16:10 |
| wxl | edburns: also, pccardctl info and pccardctl ls would be useful | 16:10 |
| Rory | edburns: Or even just a more specific model number which is printed on the sticker | 16:10 |
| wxl | edburns: if it's working, you should see something in grep -ie pcmcia -ie cardbus /var/log/syslog | 16:13 |
| edburns | wxl: When I run pccardctl, I'm told I have to install pcmciautils. Should I? | 16:18 |
| wxl | edburns: yeppers | 16:19 |
| wxl | edburns: i'm kind of winging this with you. i haven't touched a pcmcia card in a looooooooooooooooooooooooonng time :) | 16:20 |
| edburns | wxl: Should I reboot after installing pcmciautils? | 16:21 |
| wxl | edburns: nope. you won't need to reboot unless you're installing a new kernel. even kernel modules are inserted at installation. | 16:21 |
| edburns | wxl: Here is the output from the grep you requested: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/3189261 | 16:25 |
| wxl | edburns: looks like the last status is that the card is inserted, so that's probably a good sign. you got lights now? | 16:27 |
| edburns | wxl: No, no lights. | 16:28 |
| wxl | edburns: reboot it | 16:28 |
| edburns | wxl: Ok, will do, but I already did before capturing the syslog grep. | 16:29 |
| edburns | rebooted. Still no lights. Any other ideas? | 16:31 |
| wxl | edburns: sorry, at work here | 17:01 |
| edburns | wxl: Me too. I've put it aside for the day. | 17:03 |
| edburns | Thanks for your help. | 17:03 |
| edburns | ttyl | 17:03 |
| wxl | edburns: i would guess that the card or the cardbus might be bad | 17:03 |
| vite | I use an old intel core duo 512 ram, that covers my needs very well running with lubuntu. If I switch over to a raspberry PI , would I still be able to work the same way... This is a thought so I can use less electricity. | 18:54 |
| bioterror | raspberry pi is something horrible when talking about desktop usage | 18:54 |
| vite | why is lubuntu logged? | 19:02 |
| wxl | all the ubuntu support channels are logged | 19:03 |
| Myrtti | huh? | 19:03 |
| Myrtti | most developer channels too | 19:03 |
| wxl | the reason being in case someone wants to access useful information later for a similar situation | 19:03 |
| bioterror | we like to grep logs | 19:03 |
| wxl | i especially like grep -ie | 19:03 |
| bioterror | wxl, do you? :D | 19:03 |
| wxl | vite: also supposedly the answer is no on the pi but need to investigate further http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=3211 | 19:06 |
| wxl | huh, i thought we were testing arm images a while back but now i can't find them | 19:08 |
| wxl | probably need more testers. *ahem* vite | 19:08 |
| wxl | vite: there are arm images in testing http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/270/builds | 19:09 |
| vite | :) | 19:09 |
| bioterror | it's still too slow and not that much RAM on the first gen Pi's | 19:10 |
| wxl | vite: but most arm testing is geared at everything except a pi it seems https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM | 19:11 |
| wxl | vite: join the team and convince them otherwise? | 19:11 |
| wxl | vite: i would suggest a lightweight debian as a good choice | 19:12 |
| Unit193 | I thought Ubuntu had armhl v7 and pi was arml v6 or something. :P | 19:16 |
| wxl | yep that's pretty much it | 19:17 |
| phillw | pi is not supported by ubuntu kernels | 19:17 |
| vite | hmm just discovered arm based proc won't cut it for my needs | 19:18 |
| bioterror | really? :D | 19:18 |
| bioterror | rather atom or something like that, if you want low wattage desktop experience | 19:18 |
| vite | need to replace my core duo, its old and don't want to suffer hardware failure | 19:20 |
| Ahmuck | hi. last update borked my hardware support. how to fix? | 20:11 |
| phillw | Ahmuck: please be more specific | 20:12 |
| Ahmuck_ | i have basic hardware support, mobo, hard drive, touchpad mouse, screen, etc. but no wireless, no usb wireless, no monitor screen re-size, etc. | 20:16 |
| phillw | Ahmuck what version of lubuntu are you running? | 20:18 |
| vite | is there a way to switch keyboard layouts on lubuntu? | 20:18 |
| === Ahmuck_ is now known as Ahmuck | ||
| vite | found it | 20:19 |
| Ahmuck | 12.04 | 20:19 |
| phillw | Ahmuck: 12.04 is not an lts for lubuntu. But, as wireless / usb wireless is a part of the core system, you may find it better to ask on #ubuntu | 20:20 |
| Ahmuck | it only happened after a kernel update | 20:24 |
| phillw | Ahmuck: can you confirm it all works when you manually select the previous kernel from the grub menu? | 20:25 |
| Ahmuck | phillw: i can try. that's a good idea | 20:27 |
| jarnos | I have a pcmanfm process running 100% of CPU even if no pcmanfm window is be open. I had some windows open before, but I closed them. | 20:27 |
| Ahmuck | if i do that, and it does i should be able to update again and perhaps it will be fixed? | 20:27 |
| phillw | Ahmuck: you would need to do some investigating on #ubuntu to see if others have also seen the same issue. The ubuntuforum area is also a great place to ask about possible kernel regressions. | 20:28 |
| phillw | jarnos: try killing the pcmanfm process that is running at 100% from top | 20:28 |
| phillw | jarnos: using top, it is k followed my the PiD number then confirm that you want to kill it. | 20:29 |
| jarnos | phillw, I can do that, but how to prevent it from happening again? | 20:30 |
| phillw | jarnos: make a note of what you were doing that caused it to happen, I don't recall any such issues (but my memory is not to be trusted 100% :) ) | 20:31 |
| phillw | if you can reproduce it, file a bug. | 20:31 |
| Ahmuck | fixed | 21:23 |
| Ahmuck | rebooted to old kernel, updated, safe-upgrade, reboot | 21:23 |
| Ahmuck | not sure why the previous upgrade didn't work unless it didn't complete | 21:24 |
| phillw | Ahmuck: it can happen, this is why we suggest always that you keep your last known working kernel :) | 21:28 |
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