[00:56] <DrMrHorse> Hello all. I'm trying to add a keyboard layout to the keyboard layout handler, but my choices are greyed out.  I'm using Lubuntu 13.04.  Thanks in advance!
[01:21] <DrMrHorse> gtg, thanks anyway
[01:44] <Canucktux2> Rory: just tried that, didn't work
[03:16] <entreri> hello, I bought a touchscreen monitor for my PC, runing lubuntu. How to enable touch ?
[03:23] <kristal> entreri: what monitor is it?
[03:24] <entreri> kristal, Acer Smart Display
[03:24] <Unit193> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touchscreen doesn't seem like it'd help much either.
[03:24] <kristal> entreri: Does it use USB for the touch part?
[03:24] <entreri> hdmi
[03:25] <kristal> uhh.. you can't do touch over hdmi
[03:25] <entreri> maybe I should plug a usb cable as well ?
[03:25] <entreri> it came with one
[03:25] <kristal> derp yes
[03:25] <entreri> I'll try
[03:26] <kristal> hdmi can do sound and video, it has no general serial for things like touch
[03:29] <entreri> yeah it works
[03:30] <entreri> but buggy a little :P
[03:30] <entreri> I guess I'll have to dowbload software to make it more touch-friendly
[03:32] <kristal> entreri:  what does lsusb say about it? maybe there's a ppa with better drivers.
[03:36] <entreri> Bus 001 Device 002: ID 1bcf:288a Sunplus Innovation Technology Inc.
[03:36] <entreri> Bus 001 Device 003: ID 0502:33e8 Acer, Inc.
[04:11] <vite> Hi, I have been running lubuntu for about a year, with no fuss, but now I have an issue. The software updater tells me I have to update. then it tells me there is not enough space on the /boot to run the apt-get clean command
[04:11] <vite> I have run it as sudo and root, but I keep getting the same issue
[04:11] <vite> any advice?
[04:11] <Unit193> Remove some old kernels.
[04:11] <vite> how?
[04:12] <kristal> vite: Synaptic
[04:12] <vite> which one should I remove
[04:12] <kristal> vite: I'd leave the newest and oldest on if you have more than 2 installed
[04:12] <Unit193> sudo apt-get autoremove   or list them with dpkg -l | grep -e linux-image -e linux-headers    and all but two latest.
[04:12] <kristal> also apt-get autoclean
[04:13] <vite> ok so sudo apt-get remove and then apt-get autoclean
[04:13] <kristal> vite: ya
[04:13] <vite> with the autoremove I get 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 16 not upgraded.
[04:14] <vite> I get done
[04:14] <vite> lets runt the software updater
[04:14] <kristal> vite: synaptic is better for updating imo
[04:14] <vite> would installing python modules affect the lubuntu software updater?
[04:15] <kristal> vite: shouldn't
[04:15] <vite> kristal: I run apt-get upgrade but still get the message from the updater...
[04:15] <kristal> vite: have synaptic installed?
[04:15] <vite> yeah, let me do synaptic
[04:17] <vite> kristal: seems that synaptic is actually running the install
[04:18] <vite> should I remove the autoupdater then? to avoid dual functions?
[04:18] <kristal> vite: Ya I just use synaptic for everything, it's a more powerful tool.
[04:18] <kristal> vite:  install things, remove, update, manage repos, etc etc
[04:19] <kristal> vite: you can remove the auto updater or just disable it (startup programs)
[04:20] <vite> hmm lets disable it cause I don't want it to bug the general system behavior
[04:20] <vite> what does the nepomuk cleaner do?
[04:21] <ianorlin>  /me doesn't know
[04:21] <kristal> that's some kde thing
[04:21] <kristal> in synaptic if you right clign on a program you can get more info
[04:22]  * vite is wondering if he should go with ubuntu minimal and then just install lxde over it, to just get the bare minimal
[04:22] <kristal> vite: Ubuntu 13.10 is really close to release.
[04:23] <ianorlin> yep
[04:23] <vite> or just do a distro upgrade
[04:23] <kristal> vite:  Lubuntu/ubuntu/xubuntu/ubuntu-gnome are all nice distros, i prefer them over ubuntu itself
[04:23] <kristal> lubuntu/kubunut/...*
[04:23] <vite> well I've been running lubuntu, just got this bug now
[04:25] <kristal> vite: How to waste a lot of time in ubuntu: browse the huge package list in synaptic :P
[04:25] <ianorlin> yep
[04:25] <kristal> oooo a game, ooo some random thing i may find useful
[04:26] <kristal> OpenTTD is one of the best, although I can't find a good fallout-like game
[04:26] <vite> kristal: vite spends most of his time, working with bitcoin related things, that seem to work very well with ubuntu
[04:27] <vite> so why would the apt-get update && apt-get upgrade not work on the cli, but they work on synaptic?
[04:27] <kristal> vite: synaptic is smarter
[04:28] <vite> funny thing was writing a small python script (me learning the language as a hobby). worked on my pc, then when I tried to get it on the vps I had to install a whole bunch of python modules... great learning experience
[04:28] <Myrtti> upgrade is a bit silly
[04:28] <ianorlin> why?
[04:29] <Myrtti> dist-upgrade is smarter
[04:30] <vite> synaptic failed also http://paste.pound-python.org/show/2PELLe0xvVZAQahgBpl2/
[04:30] <Myrtti> latter installs new packages upgrades are depending on, former doesn't
[04:32] <Unit193> upgrade is "safer" so if you want to cron it. ;)
[04:32] <vite> any advice?
[04:33] <vite> you think its cause I have custom software?
[04:35] <vite> gonna run the distupgrade, might fix up the dependancy issues
[04:37] <vite> LOL lubuntu found a bug
[04:39] <vite> seems to be a known bug
[07:16] <Noskcaj> Can one of the lubuntu testers please confirm bug 1206684?
[10:06] <alentu> Hi
[10:06] <alentu> Hola desde España
[10:06] <alentu> Hi from Spain
[10:08] <alentu> i have a question, are there in right-click menus any desktop launcher maker? I had to use ln command
[10:13] <alentu> i'm also having problems with adobe flash player installation, youtube is not working
[10:30] <alentu> i have a question, are there in right-click menus any desktop launcher maker? I had to use ln command. The flashplayer thing is resolved
[14:26] <edburns> Greetings Programs.
[14:27] <edburns> I downloaded and burnt the default ISO just this morning.  I booted from it (thanks for giving me the acpi=off), answered a few questions and walked away.  When I came back, the system was at a desktop with a "Install Lubuntu" icon.  Now what do I do?
[14:28] <edburns> I was surprised to find the system at a desktop.
[14:28] <edburns> Do I need to run the installer icon from the desktop?
[14:29] <edburns> It never asked me for a userid or anything like that. Is that normal?
[14:55] <edburns> Hello, anyone here?
[15:01] <Rory> edburns: Yes that's normal
[15:01] <Rory> edburns: Run the installer and follow the instructions. You'll be asked to set up a user ID and all that stuff as part of the installation
[15:01] <edburns> Rory: Ok, thanks for your response.  So it just seems odd that I have to run the installer from within the installer.
[15:02] <Rory> No, you're currently on a Live system
[15:02] <Rory> The installer is one part of that
[15:02] <edburns> Rory: I mean, I booted from the CD that I burnt from the ISO.  I answered some questions (overwrite something, overwrite everything, etc), and then the whole process stops.
[15:03] <edburns> And I have to run the installer again.  Doesn't that seem wierd?
[15:03] <Rory> edburns: Did it say the installation is complete?
[15:03] <Rory> edburns: It's probable you just still have the CD in your drive :P
[15:03] <Rory> edburns: Take it out and reboot
[15:03] <edburns> I didn't see any message about the installation being complete.
[15:03] <edburns> Rory: Yes, I did have the CD in the drive.
[15:04] <edburns> Would the "installation complete" message auto-dismiss itself?
[15:04] <Questguy> Yes, Im finally here
[15:04] <Questguy> I need some help
[15:04] <Rory> No, it'll have two options, one is to reboot, and the other is to continue using the live system
[15:04] <Rory> Hello Questguy you should ask a question that has an answer!
[15:05] <Questguy> Where the hell is our flash player? I cant found it
[15:05] <Questguy> it was in software center before...
[15:05] <edburns> Rory: Now it's asking me "Where are you?"  It didn't ask me that before.  If I leave the install unattended, does it just time out and go to the live CD?
[15:06] <Rory> Questguy: sudo apt-get install flashplugin-installer
[15:06] <Rory> edburns: How far did you get in the installation before? Did it ask you for a username, and type your password twice, etc?
[15:06] <Questguy> I tried to install it from Adobe's site, but for some reason its not downloading it. Thank you, I might try to download it with the terminal, it might work
[15:07] <edburns> Rory: No, it didn't ask me for that.
[15:07] <Rory> edburns: Then you didn't do the installation. Run the installer from the desktop and follow *all* the instructions
[15:07] <Rory> edburns: Don't cancel part-way through. if it crashes, let me know
[15:08] <edburns> Rory: I booted from the CD.  I set the acpi=off option on the ascii startup screen.  I returned to the ascii startup screen and chose "Install Lubuntu".  I selected English.  The computer grinded along for a while.  I answered the question about what I want to overwrite with "Overwrite the existing ubuntu".  I clicked continue, and I walked away.
[15:09] <edburns> Rory: When I came back, it was sitting at a desktop with a sole icon on it, titled "Install Lubuntu".
[15:09] <Rory> edburns: Sounds like the installer crashed partway through
[15:09] <Rory> edburns: Go through the installer, and don't walk away until you've answered all the questions
[15:09] <edburns> Rory: That sounds like a reasonable conclusion that it crashed while I had stepped away.
[15:10] <Rory> It's either that or a brief power outage
[15:10] <edburns> Rory: I may just use the alternate install.  Right now it seems hung on the "Where are you?" screen, selecting the Locale.
[15:10] <edburns> Rory: The CD rom drive is still grinding, though.
[15:10] <Rory> edburns: I'd go with a dodgy download or a dodgy burn
[15:10] <edburns> Rory: But the "Continue" button is greyed out.
[15:10] <Rory> edburns: Is there an option (along with Try... and Install...) to check the integrity of the CD?
[15:10] <Rory> edburns: (When you first boot from the CD, that is)
[15:11] <edburns> Rory: Yes, there is.  I didn't do that, though.
[15:11] <edburns> Rory: If it fails this time, I'll try that.
[15:12] <Rory> It could be something happened burning the CD
[15:35] <edburns> Rory: The installation is proceeding nicely now.  Thanks for your help.  I have some more questions.
[15:35] <Rory> edburns: Ask away =)
[15:35] <edburns> Rory: Because I put acpi=off in the install options on the startup screen, will that preference automatically be conveyed to the grub config or must I manually put that in the grub config after the install?
[15:36] <Rory> edburns: Good question! I'd guess the answer is you would have to do it again, in the file "/etc/default/grub" and then run "sudo update-grub" afterwards
[15:37] <Rory> edburns: However, I don't know for sure because I've never had to play with boot options (other than nomodeset)
[15:37] <edburns> Rory: This really is an old laptop, 11 years old now.  So I have to set that option otherwise I can't see X.
[15:38] <Rory> Sounds like a project
[15:47] <wxl> edburns: Rory is right. you'll need to mess with the grub config in order for it to be permanent. startup screen settings are temporary.
[15:56] <edburns> wxl: Rory: doch doch, I must say that the /etc/default/grub file does have this text: GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX="acpi=off".
[15:56] <edburns> wxl: Rory: That seems to me like the preference was indeed carried forward.
[15:56] <Rory> Well I never
[15:56] <edburns> Let me try rebooting!
[15:56] <edburns> Rory: Isn't that something?
[15:56] <Rory> edburns: Oh yeah no
[15:57] <Rory> edburns: the /etc/default/grub is only in the live environment
[15:57] <edburns> Ah, ok.
[15:57] <Rory> edburns: The actual file on your hard drive won't have that
[15:57] <edburns> Well, I did boot from the hard disk.  The CD is sitting on the desk next to the laptop.
[15:57] <edburns> Rory: Is there some other file I need to edit?
[15:58] <edburns> Or is it the case that the file contains that because I manually added it myself when I started from the hard disk in the "Advanced Options" screen from GRUB?
[16:01] <edburns> Rory: wxl: I think the system is behaving as expected.  I need to put it in the GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT line.
[16:01] <Rory> edburns: The latter is the case
[16:01] <Rory> edburns: If it aint broke don't fix it
[16:02] <edburns> Yes, indeed.
[16:02] <wxl> agreed
[16:02] <wxl> it is likely that if you specified something at install, it may have been carried into the grub install
[16:02] <wxl> i could see a justification for that
[16:02] <Rory> Is it really wxl ? If it is, that behaviour is new, but very welcomne
[16:02] <wxl> on the other hand i could see a justification for it to NOT do that
[16:02] <wxl> i certainly wouldn't expect it
[16:03] <edburns> Rory: Now, is there any chance I could get my old PCMCIA WiFi card working with Lubuntu?
[16:03] <edburns> wxl: Rory: I think automatically carrying it forward is probably not the right choice.
[16:03] <wxl> the install might also have some way of testing acpi functionality
[16:03] <edburns> wxl: Rory: It's probably best to leave it as is.
[16:03] <edburns> Wow, it sure does boot up fast.
[16:03] <wxl> edburns: need some more specific info on the wifi card
[16:04] <edburns> Very nice.
[16:04] <wxl> lspci should get you that info
[16:04] <edburns> It is a linksys Wireless N Notebook adapter.
[16:04] <wxl> lspci my friend, lspci :)
[16:04] <wxl> the pci-id is what i'm looking for
[16:07] <edburns> wxl: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/3189195
[16:07] <edburns> wxl: The card *is* inserted, but I don't see any lights on it.
[16:07] <wxl> edburns: was it inserted before boot?
[16:08] <wxl> (p.s. you don't need to sudo lspci)
[16:08] <wxl> ((p.p.s. don't sudo unless you need to))
[16:08] <Rory> edburns: Does it plug in via USB? If so its lsusb
[16:10] <wxl> Rory: pcmcia
[16:10] <wxl> edburns: also, pccardctl info and pccardctl ls would be useful
[16:10] <Rory> edburns: Or even just a more specific model number which is printed on the sticker
[16:13] <wxl> edburns: if it's working, you should see something in grep -ie pcmcia -ie cardbus /var/log/syslog
[16:18] <edburns> wxl: When I run pccardctl, I'm told I have to install pcmciautils.  Should I?
[16:19] <wxl> edburns: yeppers
[16:20] <wxl> edburns: i'm kind of winging this with you. i haven't touched a pcmcia card in a looooooooooooooooooooooooonng time :)
[16:21] <edburns> wxl: Should I reboot after installing pcmciautils?
[16:21] <wxl> edburns: nope. you won't need to reboot unless you're installing a new kernel. even kernel modules are inserted at installation.
[16:25] <edburns> wxl: Here is the output from the grep you requested: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/3189261
[16:27] <wxl> edburns: looks like the last status is that the card is inserted, so that's probably a good sign. you got lights now?
[16:28] <edburns> wxl: No, no lights.
[16:28] <wxl> edburns: reboot it
[16:29] <edburns> wxl: Ok, will do, but I already did before capturing the syslog grep.
[16:31] <edburns> rebooted.  Still no lights.  Any other ideas?
[17:01] <wxl> edburns: sorry, at work here
[17:03] <edburns> wxl: Me too.  I've put it aside for the day.
[17:03] <edburns> Thanks for your help.
[17:03] <edburns> ttyl
[17:03] <wxl> edburns: i would guess that the card or the cardbus might be bad
[18:54] <vite> I use an old intel core duo 512 ram, that covers my needs very well running with lubuntu. If I switch over to a raspberry PI , would I still be able to work the same way... This is a thought so I can use less electricity.
[18:54] <bioterror> raspberry pi is something horrible when talking about desktop usage
[19:02] <vite> why is lubuntu logged?
[19:03] <wxl> all the ubuntu support channels are logged
[19:03] <Myrtti> huh?
[19:03] <Myrtti> most developer channels too
[19:03] <wxl> the reason being in case someone wants to access useful information later for a similar situation
[19:03] <bioterror> we like to grep logs
[19:03] <wxl> i especially like grep -ie
[19:03] <bioterror> wxl, do you? :D
[19:06] <wxl> vite: also supposedly the answer is no on the pi but need to investigate further http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=3211
[19:08] <wxl> huh, i thought we were testing arm images a while back but now i can't find them
[19:08] <wxl> probably need more testers. *ahem* vite
[19:09] <wxl> vite: there are arm images in testing http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/270/builds
[19:09] <vite> :)
[19:10] <bioterror> it's still too slow and not that much RAM on the first gen Pi's
[19:11] <wxl> vite: but most arm testing is geared at everything except a pi it seems https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM
[19:11] <wxl> vite: join the team and convince them otherwise?
[19:12] <wxl> vite: i would suggest a lightweight debian as a good choice
[19:16] <Unit193> I thought Ubuntu had armhl v7 and pi was arml v6 or something. :P
[19:17] <wxl> yep that's pretty much it
[19:17] <phillw> pi is not supported by ubuntu kernels
[19:18] <vite> hmm just discovered arm based proc won't cut it for my needs
[19:18] <bioterror> really? :D
[19:18] <bioterror> rather atom or something like that, if you want low wattage desktop experience
[19:20] <vite> need to replace my core duo, its old and don't want to suffer hardware failure
[20:11] <Ahmuck> hi.  last update borked my hardware support.  how to fix?
[20:12] <phillw> Ahmuck: please be more specific
[20:16] <Ahmuck_> i have basic hardware support, mobo, hard drive, touchpad mouse, screen, etc. but no wireless, no usb wireless, no monitor screen re-size, etc.
[20:18] <phillw> Ahmuck what version of lubuntu are you running?
[20:18] <vite> is there a way to switch keyboard layouts on lubuntu?
[20:19] <vite> found it
[20:19] <Ahmuck> 12.04
[20:20] <phillw> Ahmuck: 12.04 is not an lts for lubuntu. But, as wireless / usb wireless is a part of the core system, you may find it better to ask on #ubuntu
[20:24] <Ahmuck> it only happened after a kernel update
[20:25] <phillw> Ahmuck: can you confirm it all works when you manually select the previous kernel from the grub menu?
[20:27] <Ahmuck> phillw: i can try.  that's a good idea
[20:27] <jarnos> I have a pcmanfm process running 100% of CPU even if no pcmanfm window is be open. I had some windows open before, but I closed them.
[20:27] <Ahmuck> if i do that, and it does i should be able to update again and perhaps it will be fixed?
[20:28] <phillw> Ahmuck: you would need to do some investigating on #ubuntu to see if others have also seen the same issue. The ubuntuforum area is also a great place to ask about possible kernel regressions.
[20:28] <phillw> jarnos: try killing the pcmanfm process that is running at 100% from top
[20:29] <phillw> jarnos: using top, it is k followed my the PiD number then confirm that you want to kill it.
[20:30] <jarnos> phillw, I can do that, but how to prevent it from happening again?
[20:31] <phillw> jarnos: make a note of what you were doing that caused it to happen, I don't recall any such issues (but my memory is not to be trusted 100% :) )
[20:31] <phillw> if you can reproduce it, file a bug.
[21:23] <Ahmuck> fixed
[21:23] <Ahmuck> rebooted to old kernel, updated, safe-upgrade, reboot
[21:24] <Ahmuck> not sure why the previous upgrade didn't work unless it didn't complete
[21:28] <phillw> Ahmuck: it can happen, this is why we suggest always that you keep your last known working kernel :)