[00:51] <rottinrob> good evening everyone
[01:06] <jkeyes0> hey, rottinrob
[01:06] <rottinrob> hey there
[01:08] <jkeyes0> making good progress?
[01:09] <rottinrob> not too bad...got a good start
[01:10] <rottinrob> I think I know how to connect the two api's
[01:27] <jkeyes0> rottinrob: in all honesty, I'm stuck already. I've pretty well figured out how to pull in the sdk (the javascript one). Haven't touched the oAuth library yet. My task, though, is to figure out uploading images. Problem there is that to upload an image, you first have to create a note, or have a note to attach it to. Guess I'll do a two-for-one.
[01:28] <rottinrob> you can import a note as you place pic
[01:28] <rottinrob> the cloud API's are pretty well thought out...not to mention powerful
[01:29] <rottinrob> my task is to get the API's to communnicate and bring in files, folders, etc
[01:29] <jkeyes0> I look forward to seeing someone else's code interacting with it. My QML experience is still so limited, that I feel a bit overwhelmed putting it all together.
[01:30] <rottinrob> I think i'll have the very rough working model some time tomorrow...just go back to what you know
[01:31] <rottinrob> I've been studing the API's for a few days now...we could really do some kool stuff with a bit of imagination
[01:32] <rottinrob> figuring out a place to start is always rough, just think it through
[01:32] <rottinrob> I started a trunk if you wanna pull it and kinda see where I'm going, maybe that will help
[01:33] <jkeyes0> absolutely
[01:36] <rottinrob> my first and main goul is to get those two API's to chat jkeyes0
[01:45] <jkeyes0> think I see your trunk out there. looks like the last checkin was about 3 hours ago
[01:47] <rottinrob> sounds about right...I'll commit one more just b4 I pass out for the night
[01:48] <jkeyes0> awesome. I'll keep an eye out for it.
[08:48] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Virus Appreciation Day! :-D
[08:56] <nik90|Office> JamesTait: virus appreciation :D ?
[08:57] <JamesTait> nik90|Office, I'll allow you to philosophise on that - which kind of virus and what to appreciate about them is up to you. ;)
[08:57] <nik90|Office> JamesTait: ;)
[08:59] <popey> nik90|Office: in the latest image the clock detected my location as farnborough ☻
[08:59] <nik90|Office> popey: lol really?
[08:59] <popey> don't sound so surprised! :D
[08:59] <popey> (it still gets the time wrong by 1 hour)
[09:00] <nik90|Office> popey: time wrong?
[09:00] <popey> nik90|Office: yes, it says "Farnborough: 09:00"
[09:00] <nik90|Office> popey: clock follows the system time..meaning your system time is 1 hour wrong
[09:00] <popey> It's 10AM
[09:00] <popey> yes. it is ☻
[09:00] <nik90|Office> popey: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-clock-app/+bug/1233986
[09:00] <popey> but it's disconcerting to say "Farnborough, this is a location I know, and the time there is 09:00"
[09:00] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1233986 in Ubuntu Clock App "Right location is identified but wrong timezone" [Undecided,Incomplete]
[09:01] <nik90|Office> popey: Since clock does not have permission to change system time, when it detects that system time is wrong, I can pop up a dialog requesting the user to fix the system time first
[09:01] <nik90|Office> popey: otherwise we will start getting bugs in clock app that the time is incorrect when in reality the system time is wrog
[09:01] <nik90|Office> wrong*
[09:02] <popey> hmm.
[09:04] <nik90|Office> popey: if you have a better solution for 1.0, let me know. For 2.0, I will look into making the clock app change the system time if necessary
[09:04] <popey> nik90|Office: what led to the conclusion we can't set the timezone from the clock app?
[09:04] <popey> did you discuss that with sdk people or security (policy) people?
[09:07] <nik90|Office> popey: I started a email thread sometime back regarding this, which btw I need to continue the discussion with. The gist of it was that the clock app needs to use timed to implement timezone changes which does not (1) have a qml implementation (2) due to security reasons cannot be used even if implemented
[09:09] <nik90|Office> popey: Since that is a whole new world, I rather not spend time on that for the 1.0 cycle. I still need to wrap my mind around the timed explanation that I received from seb and laney sometime back. I will start the discussion again next cycle
[09:09] <Laney> you could launch the system settings application to the time-date page
[09:11] <nik90|Office> Laney: yeah that would be a better temporary solutio
[09:11] <Laney> doesn't even need to be temporary
[09:12] <popey> that's not a bad idea
[09:12] <popey> keep time setting centralised
[09:13] <nik90|Office> Laney: it has to be. Because as per clock designs, a user should be able to click on a world city and make that his current city which should ideally also change his system timezone. If I redirect them to the settings app, they will have to search for that city again and then set it.
[09:13] <nik90|Office> Laney: unless can I specify the timezone as an argument to the settings app?
[09:14] <Laney> no
[09:14] <Laney> not yet, anyway
[09:14] <Laney> where's that requirementi n the design?
[09:14] <nik90|Office> Laney: let me grab the links for you
[09:14] <Laney> I'm looking at https://docs.google.com/a/orangesquash.org.uk/document/d/16jj0bVmaMHVjJpfgWhgmWZO6EWRK-sOeF61mC-holgU/edit?pli=1
[09:14] <Laney> wtf
[09:15] <Laney> google in leaking my domain shocker
[09:16] <nik90|Office> Laney: http://design.canonical.com/2013/03/app-patterns-applied-clock-key-journeys/
[09:16] <nik90|Office> Laney: the wireframe is a bit old but it still presents the idea I am talking about
[09:17] <nik90|Office> Laney: that document was created by me, It only shows the visual designs for now and not so much the interaction. The wireframes are better for that
[09:18]  * nik90|Office needs the day to be 48 hours or more to do pending tasks such as updating that design document :(
[09:19] <Laney> Oh, you're saying that Edit Locations implies you can drag cities to the top
[09:20] <nik90|Office> Laney: http://design.canonical.com/wp-content/uploads/clock_what_time_NY-1024x328.png
[09:21] <nik90|Office> Laney: clicking on new york sets the system time to new york time instead of london
[09:21] <Laney> huh
[09:21] <Laney> I don't get that from that text
[09:21] <Laney> I thought it was just showing you what the time is there
[09:22] <Laney> but if you look really hard
[09:22] <Laney> you can see the time at the top changes
[09:22] <Laney> or does it?
[09:22]  * Laney goes blind trying to see
[09:22] <nik90|Office> the time in the indicator does not change
[09:22] <nik90|Office> hmm
[09:23] <nik90|Office> so clicking on a city, just temporarily shows it in the clock app...what use is that when it is already shown in the list?
[09:23] <nik90|Office> I really need to talk to design
[09:25] <Laney> Anyway, maybe it does - but it's not clear that is the case to me
[09:25] <nik90|Office> Laney: I will discuss this with the designer and then come back to this
[09:25] <nik90|Office> Laney: but do you know how to invoke the time-date settings page from a qml app?
[09:25] <Laney> you'd think it would change current location in the 4th picture there
[09:25] <nik90|Office> yeah me too
[09:25] <Laney> yeah, you can open the URL settings:///system/time-date
[09:26] <Laney> (I think)
[09:27] <nik90|Office> Qt.openUrlExternally("settings:///system/time-date")
[09:27] <nik90|Office> is this syntax correct?
[09:28] <Laney> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/URLDispatcher
[09:30] <nik90|Office> Laney: perfect! thnx
[11:29] <om26er> oSoMoN, re: bug 1233270
[11:29] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1233270 in webbrowser-app (Ubuntu) "Degraded version of mobile.twitter.com with the default UA" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1233270
[11:30] <oSoMoN> om26er: yes?
[11:30] <om26er> oSoMoN, I don't think that's really the twitter we would want on the phone
[11:30] <om26er> it looks like this http://i.imgur.com/WtJj05m.png
[11:35] <oSoMoN> om26er: yes, it looks a bit old-fashioned, but it’s functional
[11:36] <oSoMoN> om26er: and getting intrusive pop-ups that suggest installing the android app is not ideal either
[11:36] <om26er> oSoMoN, hmm, ok. its not usable for me atleast :/
[11:36] <oSoMoN> om26er: what do you mean by "not usable"?
[11:37] <om26er> oSoMoN, search button is too small, usablility in my book also includes beauty
[11:37] <om26er> i would try using friends app for now
[11:38] <oSoMoN> om26er: can you please elaborate on the usability issues you’re seeing in the bug report? that would help if we need to take a decision and go forward with impersonating android (we need solid arguments to do so)
[12:56] <AskUbuntu> How can i interact with phone hardware and other mobile api's? | http://askubuntu.com/q/353144
[12:56] <WebbyIT> hi popey :) What time is calendar meeting today?
[12:56] <popey> WebbyIT: in one hour
[12:57] <popey> (and 3 mins)
[12:57] <WebbyIT> popey: thanks :) See you later ;)
[13:00] <daker> oSoMoN: +1 this version is not usable on touch experience
[13:01] <oSoMoN> daker: you mean twitter, right? if so, can you please describe the issues you’re encountering in the bug report (bug #1233270)?
[13:01] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1233270 in webbrowser-app (Ubuntu) "Degraded version of mobile.twitter.com with the default UA" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1233270
[13:02] <daker> oSoMoN: i am using this version on my old nokia
[13:04] <daker> oSoMoN: as om26er explained, a lot of links are very small to touch
[13:08] <daker> oSoMoN: for ex this is the area of "a" link http://i.imgur.com/Eyv4xdj.png
[13:09] <daker> this where you are supposed to "touch"
[13:09] <oSoMoN> daker: right, that’s a good point
[13:10] <daker> oSoMoN: all the link to the key functions are like that
[13:12] <daker> oSoMoN: to be very clear, you are supposed to navigate using the old fashion keyboard arrows like i do on my "old" nokia
[13:15] <daker> oSoMoN: and this what om26er described http://i.imgur.com/Qzhl7tz.png
[13:39] <gusch> oSoMoN: is there a way to get some (qt)webkit debugging when running the webbrowser?
[13:40] <daker> gusch: maybe by run the webkit inspector using --inspector ?
[13:42] <oSoMoN> gusch: yes, there should be a -dbg package
[13:43] <gusch> oSoMoN: I installed that one already (debugging that one is - well - very slow)
[13:43] <oSoMoN> gusch: yes :/
[13:45] <oSoMoN> gusch: IIRC gdb has a mechanism to attach to a running process, so you need to identify the QtWebProcess, and attach to it
[13:46] <oSoMoN> gusch: have a look at http://trac.webkit.org/changeset/70760 for instructions on how to do that
[13:47] <gusch> oSoMoN: thx for that hint
[13:49] <oSoMoN> gusch: that’s needed to debug crashes in the webprocess, if you’re not investigating a crash then you don’t need that, just do "gdb --pid=pidof QtWebProcess"
[13:49] <gusch> oSoMoN: that's what I'm currently doing ;)
[13:59] <om26er> renato, I am not seeing the scene selector in the video player, is that broken ?
[13:59] <om26er> (using Mir)
[14:01] <renato> om26er, it was disabled due a bug on the new decode
[14:01] <om26er> renato, ok.
[15:44] <GuidoPallemans> jkeyes0: have yougotten any of rottinrobs code to work?
[15:51] <GuidoPallemans> jkeyes0: It didn't really say anything
[16:10] <jkeyes0> GuidoPallemans: I got it pulled down and running last night, but it didn't have any SDK references in it yet. He said he was going to push before heading to bed, but apparently didn't.
[16:45] <m-b-o> I have question about the ListItem.Subtitled component.
[16:45] <m-b-o> Is there a way to change the text sizes of the title and the subtitles?
[16:59] <randomcpp> hi guys :)
[17:04] <om26er> boiko, hey
[17:04] <boiko> hi om26er
[17:05] <om26er> boiko, the highlight area in the dialer app is not curved :) when you press 1, 3, * or # note that the highlight goes out of the number' area
[17:05] <boiko> om26er: that's fixed, the highlight is gone, but in any case, that's a problem with the UbuntuShape not masking what is inside of it
[17:06] <om26er> boiko, ack
[17:07] <boiko> om26er: it is also visible when contact results appear in dialer and messaging apps (the bottom black rectangle is not masked)
[17:35] <randomcpp> did anyone try to run ubuntu sdk on other linux os?
[17:36] <randomcpp> or if I want to build the ubuntu sdk on arch or fedora, what do I need?
[18:10] <om26er> nik90, what's up with the alarm. Is it working ?
[18:10] <nik90|Office> om26er: not yet. we are working on getting the alarm notification ready
[18:11] <nik90|Office> om26er: so it basically sets the alarm to EDS, but when the alarm triggers, nothing happens
[18:11] <nik90|Office> om26er: am working with charles,  ted etc to get the indicator datetime to create a snap decision when the alarm rings
[18:11] <om26er> nik90|Office, the final change needs to happen in clock app itself ?
[18:11] <om26er> nik90|Office, ah - sounds cool
[18:12] <nik90|Office> om26er: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-clock-app/+bug/1233176
[18:12] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1233176 in Ubuntu Clock App "Alarm notifications do not appear when an alarm is triggered" [Critical,Triaged]
[18:12] <nik90|Office> om26er: should land before release
[18:13] <om26er> nik90|Office, right, so that means if we set an alarm in the app it is saved indeed. Only when the time to show it comes there is no way to show it which is being worked on through NotifyOSD ?
[18:14] <om26er> nik90|Office, is anything in the Clock app that needs to be done
[18:14] <nik90|Office> om26er: everything is set up in clock app
[18:14] <nik90|Office> om26er: the only reason that bug report has clock app listed is to get design interaction when a user click on an alarm listed in the indicator datetime
[18:50] <randomcpp> does anyone know if this project works https://github.com/mgehre/whosthere ??
[18:54] <popey> randomcpp: it worked some while back
[18:54] <popey> randomcpp: you following the thread on ubuntu-phone?
[18:55] <popey> randomcpp: i don't know if it still works, what'sapp may have changed protocols?
[18:58] <randomcpp> popey, I don't know I've just found that link
[18:58] <popey> heh, ok
[18:58] <randomcpp> while I was trying to build the sdk on arch
[18:58] <popey> coincidence
[19:35] <WebbyIT> popey, sorry for this afternoon, an unexpected situation. So, ted replied to my MR: I'll try to implement it fast as possible
[19:35] <WebbyIT> https://code.launchpad.net/~rpadovani/ubuntu-calendar-app/1231136/+merge/188002/comments/432984
[19:37] <mrqtros> popey ping
[19:44] <randomcpp> does ubuntu core apps (calendar, contacts, etc) use qtpim to manage data?
[19:49] <mrqtros> popey should I change "applicationName" for Shorts core app to get U1DB working? :)
[19:51] <popey> WebbyIT: awesome!
[19:51] <popey> mrqtros: pong
[19:51] <popey> randomcpp: yeah, qtorganizer
[19:52] <mrqtros> popey look above :)
[19:52] <randomcpp> popey, qtcontacts too?
[19:53] <popey> we store contacts in EDS
[19:54] <randomcpp> ok
[19:54] <randomcpp> thank you popey
[19:58] <mrqtros> popey should I change "applicationName" of Shorts core app to get U1DB working? :)
[19:59] <randomcpp> mrqtros, applicationName should match the name you have in manifest.json
[19:59] <popey> yeah
[20:00] <randomcpp> something lke "com.ubuntu.developer.<yourname>.<yourapp>
[20:00] <randomcpp> like*
[20:00] <mrqtros> * mrqtros checking manifest version ...
[20:01] <randomcpp> popey, it looks like qtpim isn't released with other qt modules
[20:01] <randomcpp> there's no official release :/
[20:02] <mrqtros> randomcpp but currently I am talking about Core App
[20:02] <mrqtros> RSS Reader
[20:02] <mrqtros> Should I set it's applicationName to something special? :)
[20:03] <randomcpp> mrqtros, does this app have a manifest.json (it is used to generate click pkgs)
[20:06] <mrqtros> randomcpp seems that there are no common manifest file and I have only strange one with my nickname (was generated on  my machine I think)
[20:08] <randomcpp> :/
[20:09] <mrqtros> popey currently I have image v. 70 installed. Can I update it to latest  version via system tools? :)
[20:11] <popey> mrqtros: is it still read-only?
[20:12] <mrqtros> popey no, I used both methods to make it writable which you adviced to me :)
[20:12] <popey> you'll need to re-flash it then I'm afraid
[20:12] <mrqtros> popey because of I am newbie vi user, I thought that it's still readonly)
[20:13] <mrqtros> okay :(
[20:13] <popey> phablet-flash ubuntu-system --channel saucy
[20:13] <popey> should keep your data
[20:14] <mrqtros> popey I have little amount of data on this device :)
[20:14] <popey> if it's in /home/phablet you should be fine
[20:16] <mrqtros> popey is there any stable image from latest? :)
[20:16] <mrqtros> Or I can't select? :)
[20:16] <popey> channel saucy is latest stable
[20:16] <popey> there's other channels
[20:16] <popey> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Install
[20:16] <popey> has some examples on it
[20:19] <nik90> renato: Did you have time to look at the alarm EDS bug? The one where alarms werent being saved into the EDS backend?
[20:19] <mrqtros> popey I haven't seen any ways to re-flash device, so I simply must type "phablet-flash ubuntu-system --channel saucy" in terminal? :)
[20:19] <popey> yes
[20:19] <mrqtros> popey device on/off? :)
[20:19] <popey> on
[20:20] <renato> nik90, yes I found the problem but fixing it causes the calendar app to stop to work, I will be trying to fix it today and tomorrow
[20:20] <mrqtros> popey thanks! :)
[20:20] <nik90> renato: lol..only one of it can exist :D
[20:21] <randomcpp> nik90, !!
[20:21] <nik90> randomcpp: hey! congrats!
[20:21] <randomcpp> thank you :)
[20:22] <nik90> randomcpp: Same request I made to another app dev: "Please continue updating and adding new features" You got fans (users) who love your app :)
[20:22]  * nik90 is one of them :D
[20:22] <randomcpp> :D
[20:22] <randomcpp> nik90, of course!
[20:22] <nik90> lovely
[20:22] <randomcpp> but firstly I want to try to build the ubuntu-sdk on archlinux
[20:22] <randomcpp> just for fun
[20:23] <nik90> randomcpp: ofc
[20:23] <randomcpp> but I'm lost on some dependencies
[20:24] <randomcpp> some qt modules the sdk uses aren't available
[20:24] <nik90> randomcpp: yeah I suck with package management..I was once trying to build a new ubuntu toolkit on my system and broke my app dependencies completely...so I can understand your situations for arch :)
[20:25] <nik90> randomcpp: I think some of the dependencies were renamed to new ones..you might have to get that into arch as well
[20:25] <randomcpp> qtorganizer (and pim too) isn't available on arch apparently
[20:26] <randomcpp> there's a qt5-pim-git pkgbuild on aur
[20:26] <randomcpp> but it builds from git (and fails)
[20:26] <randomcpp> and git versions are too updated
[20:27] <m-b-o> hi
[20:27] <m-b-o> are there problems with jenkins at the moment?
[20:27]  * popey pokes fginther 
[20:27] <m-b-o> mediumtest are failing with ptyhon import errors
[20:33] <m-b-o> popey: seems like the problem is fixed
[20:37] <fginther> popey, m-b-o, looks like dependency problems, investigating
[20:39] <balloons> fginther, I was having that issue on all my mp's about 30 mins ago but it cleared up.. looks like it's back again
[20:39] <balloons> since you are coming from a ppa, I suspect there is potential for this to happen when new builds hit the ppa
[20:40] <balloons> fginther, perhaps we should use the archive instead? if I remember right it's from a ppa anyway
[20:44] <fginther> balloons, we can try that, but I think normally we want to use the latest uitk
[20:45] <fginther> m-b-o, popey, balloons, the current problem is that not all of the uitk packages for the must recent dput have published yet
[20:45] <balloons> fginther, well I think it's worth discussing with the other ci folks, but there is stuff that breaks in the upstream uitk, but works in the downstream
[20:46] <balloons> what I'm saying is if we push changes to fix the issues in the merge request, it will fail in the lab and vice versa
[20:46] <balloons> that and when things get hairy like right now with new builds of uitk happening quite a bit it breaks our ability to merge
[20:48] <balloons> fginther, case in point is https://code.launchpad.net/~nskaggs/ubuntu-clock-app/fix-db-path/+merge/189142. I can't merge it with a fix, because it will break the build. Yet I can't pass the mp without it
[20:50] <fginther> balloons, that's kind of always the case though, if the new sdk makes it into the new image and the necessary app changes aren't there at the same time, it's broken again.
[20:51] <fginther> balloons, I see you're point, we have basically two streams to manage
[20:51] <balloons> fginther, yes but that's a different problem.
[20:51] <fginther> the source trunks and the binaries
[20:51] <balloons> fginther, right... uitk landing into the image is a different story
[20:52] <balloons> uitk shouldn't land if it breaks something, which is what we were chatting about in #sdk
[20:52]  * fginther catches up
[20:53] <GuidoPallemans> rottinrob: have you gotten the evernote sdk to work?   jkeyes0 ping
[22:09] <GuidoPallemans> rottinrob: have you gotten the evernote sdk to work?   jkeyes0 ping