=== freeflying_away is now known as freeflying === freeflying is now known as freeflying_away === freeflying_away is now known as freeflying === jono is now known as Guest53113 === freeflying is now known as freeflying_away === freeflying_away is now known as freeflying === psivaa is now known as psivaa-afk === psivaa-afk is now known as psivaa === freeflying is now known as freeflying_away [15:00] hi [15:01] you [15:01] yo even :) [15:01] YOU. [15:01] ewe [15:01] ha! Well played [15:01] * slangasek waves [15:02] baa [15:06] #startmeeting [15:06] Meeting started Thu Oct 3 15:06:42 2013 UTC. The chair is slangasek. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. [15:06] Available commands: #accept #accepted #action #agree #agreed #chair #commands #endmeeting #endvote #halp #help #idea #info #link #lurk #meetingname #meetingtopic #nick #progress #rejected #replay #restrictlogs #save #startmeeting #subtopic #topic #unchair #undo #unlurk #vote #voters #votesrequired [15:08] [TOPIC] Lightning round === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Lightning round [15:08] $ echo $(shuf -e barry doko stgraber jodh ev bdmurray slangasek cjwatson xnox stokachu) [15:08] stgraber xnox cjwatson doko barry jodh ev slangasek bdmurray stokachu [15:09] stgraber: you're first :) [15:10] oops, one sec [15:10] Blueprint-related work: [15:10] - Image based updates (BLUEPRINT: foundations-1305-image-based-updates) [15:10] - Updated the specification on the wiki [15:10] - Added phased-percentage support on the server side [15:10] - Extended test coverage (still need tests covering the file generators) [15:10] - Prioritized the work for the system-image clien in 13.10 [15:10] - Implemented the boot time hooks for touch (somewhere in the landing queue) [15:10] - LXC [15:10] - Moved all the bugs from sourceforge to github (well, fixed most of them rather than move them) [15:10] - Code reviews [15:10] - Some discussions with Google on cgroup management [15:10] - Rewrote lxc-info to use the LXC API and show IP addresses by default. [15:10] - Updated all the API based tools to check the user has control access over the container instead of failing in mysterious ways. [15:10] [15:10] Other work: [15:10] - Other [15:10] - Quite a lot of queue reviews [15:10] - Implemented a script to auto-accept unseeded packages into the archive [15:10] [15:10] TODO (hopefully this week): [15:10] - Get to 100% code coverage in the system-image server side tests [15:10] - Write a slightly more user friendly tool to release an image from saucy-proposed to saucy [15:11] - Spend some more time debugging the filesystem unmount sequence, fixing anything that needs fixing [15:11] - LXC upstream work (some more bugs to move to github, website work, ...) [15:11] (DONE) [15:12] ah. [15:12] skip me please. [15:13] cjwatson: your turn then [15:13] Launchpad: [15:13] * Fixed resetting of non-virtual builders (bug 1232131). [15:13] * Coordinated rollout of buildd slave fixes (bug 993642, bug 1227086). Much cleanup of broken builders following upgrade. [15:13] bug 1232131 in Launchpad itself ""'BuilderVitals' object has no attribute 'failBuilder'" when trying to auto-reset builder" [Critical,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1232131 [15:14] * Fixed recipe handling regression (bug 1234621) and helping to coordinate another rollout to virtual builders now. [15:14] bug 993642 in launchpad-buildd "Breaks if the build doesn't produce the expected changes file" [Critical,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/993642 [15:14] bug 1227086 in launchpad-buildd "Slaves on 32-bit architectures crash on >2GiB build logs" [Critical,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1227086 [15:14] * Uploaded apt SRUs (bug 1234691, bug 1234705), to support upgrading Launchpad production to precise. [15:14] bug 1234621 in launchpad-buildd "lp-buildd crashes on recipe failures: too many values to unpack" [Critical,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1234621 [15:14] Archive: [15:14] bug 1234691 in apt (Ubuntu Precise) "apt-utils: Ignore APT::FTPArchive::Packages::SHA512 option" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1234691 [15:14] bug 1234705 in apt (Ubuntu Raring) "apt-ftparchive writes SHA256 checksums in place of SHA512 in Sources" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1234705 [15:14] * Arranged for generation of http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/saucy_uninst.txt and started cleaning it up. i386 uninstallables have gone from ~80 to ~30 this week. [15:14] Click: [15:14] * Fixed crash when unregistering a preinstalled package (bug 1232066), and a regression caused by that fix (bug 1233280). [15:14] bug 1232066 in click (Ubuntu) "click unregister on preinstalled app causes exception" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1232066 [15:14] * Implemented fat package support. [15:14] bug 1233280 in click (Ubuntu) "Permission error while removing preinstalled click before installing any other click" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1233280 [15:14] * Extended "click info" interface to allow printing the manifest for a single package (bug 1232118). [15:14] bug 1232118 in URL Dispatcher "Don't read manifest files directly" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1232118 [15:14] * Forced unpacked files to be owner-writeable (bug 1232128). [15:14] bug 1232128 in click (Ubuntu) "click package cannot be installed on desktop" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1232128 [15:14] Installer: [15:14] * Fixed partition recipe size calculation when partitions are reused (bug 1197766). [15:14] bug 1197766 in partman-auto (Ubuntu Precise) "Different partition layout after recovery with keep home partition" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1197766 [15:14] * More work on putting the pieces together for bug 1065281 in precise. [15:14] bug 1065281 in OEM Priority Project quantal "Installer crashed when trying to partition 4k/4k sector hard disks" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1065281 [15:14] * Improved support for various mount options (bug 978032). [15:14] bug 978032 in partman-ext3 (Ubuntu Precise) "partitioning step doesn't have "discard" as a selectable mount option" [Wishlist,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/978032 [15:14] Touch: [15:14] * Rearranged build-initrd.sh in initramfs-tools-ubuntu-touch to stop doing documented-unreliable things with fakeroot. [15:14] To do: [15:14] * Review Brian's chroot management branch. [15:14] * Hunt through GRUB code to try to chase down bug 1229458. [15:14] bug 1229458 in grub2 (Ubuntu) "grubnetx64.efi tftp client does not work over ipv6" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1229458 [15:14] * Continue chasing down archive inconsistencies. [15:14] .. [15:15] doko: your turn? [15:18] * worked on emulator: [15:18] - it boots into TTY now [15:18] - published a prebuild copy at http://people.canonical.com/~xnox/emulator.tar.xz [15:18] - build fully integrated into phablet branches, one simply does a build for cm_goldfish-eng device. [15:18] - NEXT: fix & make android LXC container boot and correctly initialise [15:18] * patch piloting today, mostly trying to get interesting things for saucy [15:18] * upstart reviews, etc. [15:18] .. [15:21] system-image: lp: #1196991, lp: #1233094, lp: #1215943, lp: #1221844, lp: #1233379, lp: #1231628, lp: #1229807, lp: #1204618, lp: #1215946, lp: #1229710, lp: #1234703. s-i 1.6, 1.7, 1.8 [15:21] Launchpad bug 1196991 in Ubuntu system image "Support the new download dbus service" [Critical,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1196991 [15:21] Launchpad bug 1233094 in system-image (Ubuntu) "Upgrade fail" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1233094 [15:21] Launchpad bug 1215943 in Ubuntu system image "should have a consistent "last upgrade date"" [Critical,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1215943 [15:21] Launchpad bug 1221844 in Ubuntu system image "Support channel aliases tracking" [Critical,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1221844 [15:21] Launchpad bug 1233379 in Ubuntu system image "Reset reactor timeout back to 10m on each non-finishing signal" [Critical,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1233379 [15:21] done [15:21] * upstart: [15:21] - Fixed bug 1227212 and bug 1089159 (uploaded as 1.10-0ubuntu3). [15:21] - Investigated ssh.override issue on Touch. [15:21] - Investigated upstart-local-bridge/upstart-property-watcher issue For [15:21] bug 1227212 in upstart (Ubuntu) "Session logout takes too long" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1227212 [15:21] sergiusens. Identified a problem with an lxc pre-start but seems [15:21] bug 1089159 in upstart (Ubuntu) "ADT test-suite failure" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1089159 [15:21] there is more work to do there. [15:21] * TODO: [15:22] - Add extra debug to upstart-local-bridge. [15:22] - work on overcoming ptrace limitations issue. [15:22] lp: #1231628, lp: #1229807, lp: #1204618, lp: #1215946, lp: #1229710 [15:22] š¤’ [15:22] Launchpad bug 1231628 in Ubuntu system image "Support for phased updates" [Critical,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1231628 [15:22] lp: #1234703 [15:22] Launchpad bug 1229807 in Ubuntu system image "auto_download setting not set to '1' by default" [Critical,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1229807 [15:22] Launchpad bug 1204618 in Ubuntu system image "Plumb progress through DBus signals" [Critical,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1204618 [15:22] Launchpad bug 1215946 in Ubuntu system image "_NoUpdate sends buggy UpdateFailed" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1215946 [15:22] Launchpad bug 1229710 in Ubuntu system image "Add autopkgtests" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1229710 [15:22] Launchpad bug 1234703 in ubuntu-system-settings (Ubuntu) "Checking for new updates puts the service out of order" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1234703 [15:23] Short week. Was on holiday in ā€˜merica until Monday. [15:23] Lots of time spent getting caught up after three weeks away. [15:23] Mostly still helping Alex bootstrap the CI team. [15:23] Got up to speed on the Cassandra failures. We had a massive Ceph outage which knocked over Cassandra, which obviously knocked over Daisy. Reports resend every two hours, so I donā€™t believe we missed out on anything, but Iā€™m still waiting on access to the production database to confirm these sorts of things: [15:23] https://rt.admin.canonical.com//Ticket/Display.html?id=63860 [15:23] We are *way* behind on the existing retracer architectures and we still donā€™t have an armhf retracer for Touch. There appears to have been some work done on this while I was away, but it looks like they dropped it again. I tried following up in #webops, but we are without a vanguard. Iā€™ll touch base with James or Tom later. [15:23] https://rt.admin.canonical.com//Ticket/Display.html?id=58019 [15:23] In anticipation of webops requesting it, Iā€™m migrating the error tracker deployment over to juju-deployer. [15:23] TODO: [15:23] I need to find a replacement for gnetworkmonitor, as it waking up frequently on busy networks continues to piss people off: [15:23] https://bugs.launchpad.net/whoopsie/+bug/991481 [15:23] I now have enough details from Acunu to finish implementing the improvements to the average errors per calendar day calculation. [15:23] (done) [15:23] Ubuntu bug 991481 in Whoopsie "Constant dns traffic for daisy.ubuntu.com" [High,Confirmed] [15:24] https://wiki.canonical.com/IncidentReports/2013-09-30-Ceph-Rebalance-Outage is the Ceph outage [15:24] ev: bah, it's only causing around 20% of the requests to my DNS servers ;) [15:24] hah [15:25] 1 request every 15s per machine on the network and I apparently have a lot of those ;) [15:25] stgraber: And your own substation? [15:25] ev: anti-social =) [15:26] ev: retracers> thanks - I think we need to get this sorted out ASAP, it's alarming that we have no errors data at all about the phone at this stage. [15:26] slangasek: I couldn't agree more. Any help leaning on them would be greatly appreciated [15:26] * slangasek nods [15:26] ev: what events do you actually want from gnetworkmonitor? you can have whoopsie e.g. start on net-device-up, then each time a connection is established, you can retry uploading reports. [15:27] cjwatson: ;) I do occasionaly run LXC load testing with around a thousand container on the same machine, all running whoppsie, then those DNS queries are pretty much the only thing I see going through the network ;) [15:27] Or telling the other Ubuntu Engineering teams to stop taking up all of webops' time [15:27] ev: I would've yelled at last week's sync call about this had I realize it still hadn't moved :/ [15:27] ev: *cough* [15:27] xnox: from memory, I'm using gnetworkmonitor to know when we're really connected [15:27] in my testing CONNECTED_ALL or whatever the NetworkManager state was didn't convey that [15:27] ev: Hopefully I've finished getting launchpad-buildd upgraded on things for, oh, at least a few weks [15:28] *weeks [15:28] (dear GOD is that process painfully manual) [15:28] * helped with getting final beta out last week [15:28] * discussions about how to do freeze management for phone packages so that we're not putting up additional roadblocks to phone development for 13.10 [15:28] * worked with Barry on testing system-image / ubuntu-download-manager so this could land in the phone images \o/ [15:28] * fighting with my network, which has decided to stop passing dhcp requests reliably following a power outage over the weekend [15:28] * picked at the edges of the proposed-migration queue (insighttoolkit4) [15:28] * followed through on SRUs for shim update in 12.04.4 [15:28] * got /etc/adjtime out of our live images, since it's not used in Ubuntu and just causes confusion [15:28] (done) [15:29] bug triage of update-manager, ubuntu-release-upgrader, ubiquity bugs [15:29] recreated update-manager bug 1202754 [15:29] reviewed and merged apt-check (update-notifier) merge proposal speeding it up [15:29] bug 1202754 in update-manager (Ubuntu Saucy) "update-manager crashed with SystemExit in exit(): 0" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1202754 [15:29] worked on click chroot code [15:29] ev: should we refactor start.ubuntu.com/network-connectivity check from ubiquity?! =) yeah, supporting states in upstart would help here, as upon network check we could run a quick check against start.ubuntu.com and emit the state of "connected" [15:29] worked on ubuntu-release-upgrader not needing gksu [15:29] uploaded procps bug fix for bug 1150413 [15:29] for those jobs that care about htat. [15:29] bug 1150413 in procps (Ubuntu Raring) "Cannot allocate memory if process owned by user with large number of groups" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1150413 [15:29] tested kernels for bug 1218004 [15:29] bug 1218004 in linux (Ubuntu Saucy) "Apple Wireless Trackpad causes kernel oops" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1218004 [15:29] done [15:29] bug 1211876 needs upload, bug 995719 needs sru approval (done) [15:29] bug 1211876 in keepalived (Ubuntu Raring) "keepalived reload buggy due to improper ipv4 address comparison" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1211876 [15:29] bug 995719 in puppet (Ubuntu Precise) "process_name.rb removed in 2.7.11 but still provided by puppet-common" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/995719 [15:30] xnox: yes - networkmanager has support for something like this, but the tin foil hat crowd nixed it the last time matthieu brought it up [15:30] if memory serves [15:30] xnox: we could reimplement everything in Qt and use its network checking apis, I hear those work a treat [15:30] (by which I mean, bug #1233435) [15:30] xnox: what I'd really like is an API that I could register an address with. "Let me know when we're connected and you get this response from this URL" [15:30] note: 1211876 is a high visibility bug going to mark it as high [15:30] bug 1233435 in ubuntu-download-manager "u-d-m downloads stall if the network configuration changes" [Critical,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1233435 [15:31] cjwatson: *belated fist shaking* [15:32] anyone want to sponsor stokachu's SRU for bug #1211876? [15:32] bug 1211876 in keepalived (Ubuntu Raring) "keepalived reload buggy due to improper ipv4 address comparison" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1211876 [15:32] stgraber, maybe you could have a look? [15:33] bdmurray: would you mind looking over bug 995719 for approval? [15:33] bug 995719 in puppet (Ubuntu Precise) "process_name.rb removed in 2.7.11 but still provided by puppet-common" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/995719 [15:34] stokachu: I'll have a look today [15:34] bdmurray: thanks man [15:34] stokachu: bug #995719, you say there should be no regression. So it's not possible that something will be relying on this behavior? [15:34] bug 995719 in puppet (Ubuntu Precise) "process_name.rb removed in 2.7.11 but still provided by puppet-common" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/995719 [15:35] slangasek: nothing should be calling it directly, think of it more like a background job keeping up the process names [15:35] slangasek: yep, can do [15:36] stokachu: so nothing can be relying on those process name changes? [15:36] slangasek: nothing in puppet does, no [15:36] well, but what about things outside of puppet? [15:37] these are the questions we ask for SRUs :) [15:37] its not an external api so nothing would be calling it directly [15:38] but something external to puppet could be relying on the process name updates [15:38] everyone ive interacted with either manually deletes this or has a puppet config that ensures that file doesn't exist [15:38] even IS does it [15:38] sto they all look good to me, will upload those 3 in a minute [15:38] stokachu: ^ [15:38] stgraber: thanks man [15:39] stokachu: that doesn't mean that /everyone/ does it, just the people who are smart enough to be in your friends list :) we have to consider the SRU implications for those not following best practices, too [15:39] slangasek: yea im trying to think of what kind of use case would do this [15:39] slangasek: to help me pinpoint where there might be a problem [15:39] anyway, we can follow up on that out of band [15:40] do we have any puppet experts here? [15:40] ok [15:40] I'd try the server team for puppet expertise [15:40] ok ill ask around and see [15:41] [TOPIC] AOB === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: AOB [15:41] any other topics? [15:41] stokachu: all uploaded [15:41] stgraber: thanks again [15:43] stgraber: want me to unassign sponsors now? [15:43] #endmeeting === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendar | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology [15:43] Meeting ended Thu Oct 3 15:43:34 2013 UTC. [15:43] Minutes (wiki): http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2013/ubuntu-meeting.2013-10-03-15.06.moin.txt [15:43] Minutes (html): http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2013/ubuntu-meeting.2013-10-03-15.06.html [15:43] thanks! [15:43] thanks, all! [15:43] thanks! [15:45] cheers. [15:47] ta [17:01] aloha [17:02] hello [17:03] hi all [17:04] I'm not sure I can chair as in a work thingy atm [17:04] but am here [17:05] i'll chair till :30 :) [17:06] #startmeeting [17:06] Meeting started Thu Oct 3 17:06:31 2013 UTC. The chair is czajkowski. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. [17:06] Available commands: #accept #accepted #action #agree #agreed #chair #commands #endmeeting #endvote #halp #help #idea #info #link #lurk #meetingname #meetingtopic #nick #progress #rejected #replay #restrictlogs #save #startmeeting #subtopic #topic #unchair #undo #unlurk #vote #voters #votesrequired [17:06] #chair sabdfl cprofitt pleia2 czajkowski [17:06] Current chairs: cprofitt czajkowski pleia2 sabdfl [17:06] o/ [17:06] aloha and welcome to this weeks community council catch up :) [17:06] o/ [17:06] hello [17:07] nice to see you all again [17:07] so we didn't send a reminder email to kubuntu folks, so I think they might not make it [17:07] #link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommunityCouncilAgenda [17:07] #topic Kubuntu catch up === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Kubuntu catch up [17:07] anyone from Kubuntu around [17:07] ScottK: Riddell ping? [17:09] nice to see the 10k taiwanese school deployment of kubuntu derivative ezgo recently [17:09] +1 [17:09] cool, I hadn't seen that [17:10] http://dot.kde.org/2013/10/02/ezgo-free-and-open-source-software-taiwans-schools [17:10] impressive [17:10] yes, even aseigo was pleased ;) [17:11] shall we invite AOB in the interim, and wrap at :30 if we have no response from #kubuntu? [17:12] #topic Any other business === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Any other business [17:12] * elfy is hanging about waiting for AOB :) [17:12] http://www.ubuntu.com/about/about-ubuntu/governance has been updated for accuracy \o/ [17:12] go ahead elfy [17:13] can we get some help with a couple of RT's - one of which I think I cc'd CC yesterday [17:13] https://rt.ubuntu.com/Ticket/Display.html?id=22858 [17:13] yes, saw the CC [17:13] https://rt.ubuntu.com/Ticket/Display.html?id=22990 [17:13] elfy: I believe czajkowski already pinged someone on them [17:13] one of the ones I cc'd I've seen movement on [17:13] cprofitt: that'll be why then :) [17:13] the remember me one is the real pain for people [17:14] I think what really upsets us is we never get any response till we start pushing via you [17:14] * cprofitt nods [17:14] though I will say when we had a few of them in our irc channel - they were great to work with [17:15] czajkowski - thanks for doing that :) [17:15] elfy: it's not just you, IS seems to have quite the backlog [17:15] I think it is a metter of building a good relationship with them... which it sounds like you are via the irc [17:15] so it takes nudges to prioritize [17:15] yep I understand there are 60 minutes in an hour :D [17:15] and I think the forums stuff is genuinely hard :) [17:16] pleia2: I don't doubt it [17:16] but as I said in the mail - elmo and I were discussing trying to get external help [17:16] then that's as far as it went ;) [17:16] * pleia2 nods [17:16] I'm sure that if there are people around who can help they will [17:17] elfy: elmo is but one member of the IS team and does tend to be the firzt one pinged when in fact it may fall to someone else to fix [17:17] if they are interested in open sourcing their sysadmin operation I can offer some pointers ;) [17:17] but mostly it's about communication - #can-sys isn't really somewhere to go chat with people [17:17] so it's always the best point of contact either [17:17] I'm glad it's getting fixed [17:17] word from IS is: [17:17] sabdfl: we're currently looking at Ubuntu RT #22950 for the forums folks [17:17] sabdfl: because we were told that was the priority; I'll make sure 22858 and 22990 are up next [17:18] czajkowski: I understand he's not the only one - but he was the one talking to me :) [17:18] sabdfl: ok - thanks - can we make sure that the next one they look at for us is the 22858 one then please [17:18] ok [17:19] thanks [17:19] that's the one we catch most flak for at the moment [17:19] ok, ack'd in that sequence [17:19] that team tends to flatline around release [17:20] but at least the sequence is agreed [17:20] that a wrap elfy? [17:20] AOB? [17:20] yep [17:20] just so the community is kept updated - we're wrapping up the LoCo Council appointment process in the CC, so we should have news soon :) [17:20] thanks all [17:20] and speaking of appointments, we're still looking for nominees to be on the CC itself: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/community-announce/2013-September/000013.html [17:21] and the TB, iirc [17:21] so if you're great, or know of someone who is great, apply [17:21] has the TB sent out their call for nominees yet? [17:22] doesn't look like it, I'll make sure it makes it to planet when they do [17:24] that's all I have AOB-wise [17:24] doesn't look like we'll get Kubuntu feedback this week [17:25] i'm going to step afk in prep for a call - good to see you all again [17:25] thanks sabdfl === sabdfl is now known as sabdfl-afk [17:25] nice to see you, sabdfl :) [17:26] we've chatted with kubuntu folks throughout the cycle, so I don't know that there is anything pressing there, and they know where to find us :) [17:26] +1 [17:26] (oh and here's to an excellent 13.10 in two weeks - am enjoying the phone and saucy desktop too, hope our various flavours are feeling good about the home straight) [17:26] cheer [17:26] :) [17:27] ok, I think we can wrap this up then [17:27] thanks everyone [17:28] #endmeeting === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendar | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology [17:28] Meeting ended Thu Oct 3 17:28:21 2013 UTC. [17:28] Minutes (wiki): http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2013/ubuntu-meeting.2013-10-03-17.06.moin.txt [17:28] Minutes (html): http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2013/ubuntu-meeting.2013-10-03-17.06.html [17:28] thanks pleia2 [17:28] thanks czajkowski