[00:06] http://www.engadget.com/2013/10/02/dell-venue-pro-8-and-pro-11-hands-on/ [00:08] be interesting to play with non-windows on those [00:08] given they're intel based [00:09] what's interesting about them? [00:09] oh, Intel based. I guess that'd be cool, there aren't many Intel based reasonably sized tablets floating about [00:10] yeah, the 10" one is full HD [00:12] not bad :) [00:12] 10 hours battery on an Intel is new, too [00:58] I've officially decided to stop using compiz \o/ [00:58] fed up with the instability and gaming badness it brings xD [06:00] Hi all [06:01] some reason my pc stopped booting. showing CIFS VFS: cifs_mount failed w/return code = -113 [06:19] dogmatic69: fixed it? [06:20] Myrtti: for some reason i needed to turn my nas on first [06:20] sounds about right [06:20] idk why as it is not setup to mount it [06:20] never had to before [06:21] I have a script to mount it which I run manually, after booting the nas was not mounted either [06:40] morning all === jussi01 is now known as jussi === iahmad_ is now known as iahmad|afk [08:23] "Eye tests are free for over 40s who have a family history of glaucoma [08:23] interesting. wonder how i prove it [08:25] i think i just tick a box on a form [08:30] Good morning peeps :) [08:30] hello giantclam [08:34] Oh not you as well :P [08:36] mungbean: I've come across that question before http://www.nhs.uk/chq/pages/895.aspx?CategoryID=68&SubCategoryID=157 [08:37] "You’ll be asked to show proof that you’re entitled to a free NHS sight test." [08:38] mungbean: http://www.nhs.uk/NHSEngland/Healthcosts/Documents/2009/HC11Nov09.pdf Page 36 of the pdf mentions evidence on an NHS medical card [08:38] mungbean: nhs entitlements usually require a card of some sort. like diabetes requires a card to get free prescriptions [08:39] my dad had glaucoma [08:39] we get free eye tests here in Scotland [08:41] dwatkins: don't expect the freebies to last if scotland goes independant - atm afaik they use westminster funds (taxes from england) to pay their free services [08:42] Pretty sure the rules used to include grandparents as having glaucoma as one of the triggers for free eye tests as well, but that looks to have changed [08:47] If your council waste collection does recycling etc and uses Recyclebank, they normally have a few free eye test offers to use points earned from what you've recycled [08:48] diddledan: indeed, although I think it's unlikely enough people will vote 'yes' in the refferendum. [08:48] Good morning all; happy Virus Appreciation Day! :-D [08:48] JamesTait: no, just no! [08:49] What is there to appreciate about virii? [08:49] Well, in spite of our best efforts to control them, they're incredibly resilient and adaptive. === iahmad|afk is now known as iahmad [08:51] And they brought down the alien mothership in Independence Day. That has to count for something, right? [08:52] s/virii/viruses/ [08:52] There was a scene cut from the film which explained how Jeff Goldblum's character in ID4 was able to compile code which ran on the alien mothership. It was all related to the ship they had captured in the 40s. [08:52] thanks popey, I sit corrected [08:54] dwatkins, I read about that scene. I can understand why it was cut for the mass-market, but I wonder if they ever released a geeks' edition with all the gory details. ;) === iahmad is now known as iahmad|afk [08:59] "...in the seven minutes of cut scenes included in the extended release Independence Day DVD, Goldblum is actually shown tinkering with his PowerBook inside the recovered craft from the Roswell crash site, mumbling something about how the spaceship was running off the same programming language he was able to decipher before [08:59] " [09:01] erm [09:02] a signal with a reducing cyclic rate isn't a programming language [09:02] I'm glad they cut that scene because it wouldn't have made sense [09:03] unless they changed how he worked out when the attack was due [09:03] I think it means that the programming language he decyphered before was derived from the ship which crashed at Roswell, nothing to do with the satellites. [09:04] so the government released the programming language to the public? [09:04] perhaps the alien technology was used to develop some modern technology [09:05] reverse engineered and then used in the 1970s, maybe [09:05] his first knowledge of the roswell crash was the announcement by the secretary of defence that "there was no alien crash in roswell new mexico" "isn't entirely accurate" [09:05] yes, but he may have encountered a language which was based on the alien craft's OS years beforehand and made the connection [09:06] probably in jurasic park ;) [09:06] true except that the mad professor (brent spiner) professed that they hadn't made any headway in the many years they had the craft until the big spaceships arrived and "all the gizmos started lighting up. the past 24 hours has been really exciting." [09:06] haha yeah, SGI's success was actually based on alien computers [09:07] and on that note, Var'aq -> http://www.oocities.org/connorbd/varaq/ [09:07] good morning everyone, [09:07] diddledan: good point, maybe they read it from ROM [09:08] diddledan: what film is that from? [09:09] daftykins: independence day [09:09] I used to be able to recite the script verbatim [09:10] ah thought so :) [09:10] haha [09:10] I know Back to the Future a lot better than Independance Day [09:10] I was addicted to it as a teenager because it was one of the very few vhs tapes I owned with a movie on [09:12] :D [09:13] yay GTA Online works when all the kids are at school / work :> === alan_g is now known as alan_g|afk === alan_g|afk is now known as alan_g [09:25] argh got as far as the first task now it's seized up again [09:25] pesky online implementations ;) [09:26] daftykins: no work? [09:27] nope [09:27] it's 10:30 - dietcoke break [09:27] oh, no, that was 11:30 [09:27] haha [09:27] finally it loaded [09:28] I suck at popculture references [09:28] i'm amazed anyone remembers :D [09:30] I very nearly bought GTAV yesterday [09:30] Happened to be buying something else on Amazon and it called out to me. [09:30] I actually deleted it from my basket. [09:30] * TheOpenSourcerer has a horrible cold - sniff sniff cough splutter [09:31] happy Virus Appreciation Day to you too [09:33] Happy Virus appreciation day! [09:33] (see what i did there) [09:33] oh dear the message is spreading D: [09:34] like a... [09:34] popey: impressive restraint, there [09:34] yeah [09:34] did buy a wired xbox controller tho [09:35] holding out for ps4 [09:36] booo [09:39] that's how I Amazon too. add everything I want. trim it down to what I can justify. then trim it down to what I can afford. And then kick out the odd item that's being shipped by some oddball and doubling the shipping cost [09:39] lol [09:40] where do i find the pgpk and pgpv packages in centos? [09:40] shauno: yeah. I manage to talk myself out of most amazon purchases that way [09:40] we don't have Prime available here. so it's free shipping over 25 yoyos, unless you picked something that's not shipped by amazon, in which case they'll tack on seemingly random amounts of shippign cost :/ [09:41] then again I don't delete everything I can't justify [09:41] I just move them to my wishlist and hope someone else will buy them [09:42] i gave in late last night and bought a 120GB SSD for my server and a 2TB WD Red drive too [09:42] I try not to use the wishlist. because it likes to put them back on the front page, under "here, you know you want to .." [09:42] £130 total! [09:45] shauno: few years ago I participated in the Google+ secret santa and it was great [09:45] heh [09:45] I did too! [09:45] (never got anything) [09:45] o_O [09:45] used Amazon wishlists, it really made my Christmas, just had been laid off and money was tight [09:46] and it was odd seeing the spreadsheet fully of people's sob stories [09:46] got a tea cozy, a "Good Night Keith Moon" book, and watercolours [09:47] it felt like you can't say "I didn't get anything" because then you're just being ungrateful. [09:47] yeah well I did buy few things myself too [09:47] ditto. [09:47] (for others) [09:48] hey ho [09:48] yeah, that's what it is [09:48] but yeah, amazon wishlists are great, have few times just checked what friends have on theirs and that's been their christmas present solved [09:49] I'm still trying to behave after I accidentally bought a 140cm tall monkey off ebay. I'm meant to be saving :( [09:49] pciture? [09:51] or it didn't happen :-p [09:51] how can you accidentally buy a monkey the size of a person? [09:51] http://cl.ly/image/011m1D0w2X3h [09:51] ...and what's the ebay listing called? [09:52] that's a funky munky [09:52] haha [09:52] that's never an accident [09:52] ebay really should have a breathalizer [09:52] I want one now [09:54] http://www.ebay.ie/itm/110911008080 :) [09:55] shauno: what? is that a new lodger? [09:55] it really could have been planned better though. eg, I really shouldn't have shipped it to the office. for many reasons. not least having to walk home with it [09:56] carry it home piggy back [09:56] free P+P! [09:57] free p&p from china isn't always a good thing. it means it'll arrive sometime in the next 3 months :( [09:57] haha [09:58] shauno: and possibly wet [10:00] shauno: lmao [10:02] Morning all [10:02] and you bought this... why? :) [10:02] surprise surprise, GTA Online is full of griefers [10:04] haha [10:05] what do they do? [10:05] I saw a YT video by olli43 where he shot at another player and then got kicked off the world [10:05] popey: kill each other and steal their cars? [10:05] thats reasonable ☻ [10:05] popey: yeah some randomer got in my car, then bailed out, then killed me [10:05] then killed me a second time later on, when we were both paired up for a mission [10:05] that seems like part of the game [10:05] so... yeah extremely frustrating [10:06] oh, that's less so [10:06] but tbh I'd probably do that too ☻ [10:06] it does let you turn on a mode so that you don't get hassle from anyone else unless you're on a job [10:06] because they can't see you? [10:06] something like that yeah [10:09] about to start a team deathmatch type game [10:11] haha two guys dropped so i was on a 4 player team vs 2 [10:12] who i killed myself [10:12] I was picturing epic-scale gang warfare [10:12] 4 v 4 sounds a bit .... limited [10:12] well it was an introductory objective [10:12] you can't judge an entire game's multiplayer on one setup ;) [10:13] true true [10:13] 4v4 was commonplace on dialup connections [10:13] Rockstars lack of servers right now and thus issues with Online probably make it like dialup :D [10:14] STOP IT! [10:14] I will end up buying it! [10:14] ☻ [10:14] the loading screens should include modem dial tones [10:14] I miss those [10:15] rofl it loaded a second game of the same, 2v2 [10:15] i killed both again [10:15] popey: buy buy buy :D [10:16] or loading screens that build up line by line [10:16] to build the suspense [10:16] then a message which obliterates it [10:16] PROGRAM: GTAV [10:16] [10:16] * popey squeals like a pig^W Sinclair Spectrum [10:16] :> [10:18] shift + run/stop === alan_g is now known as alan_g|afk [10:27] oh wow, i just get a text on my phone when someone else sets up a race [10:27] so i select it and the map moves over to where it's set [10:28] daftykins: GTAV? [10:28] not tried it in multiplayer yet [10:28] yes sir [10:28] yeah i think it's only working for me since everyone's at work or school :D [10:28] heh [10:28] i tried a couple of times of evenings but it's just timed out [10:29] i just realised my guy looks like Bono. [10:29] oops. [10:30] no wonder people are shooting you [10:34] :D [10:34] that was before i got the shades that completed the look :( [10:34] aww i lost the race [10:37] heh === iahmad|afk is now known as iahmad [10:40] aww lost that one too as he had a far faster car [10:41] you don't need a fast car to win a race [10:41] you need a tank === alan_g|afk is now known as alan_g [10:45] ooh yes won a cycling race [10:45] directhex: is that why the tortoise beat the hare? [10:45] hahaha [10:46] * daftykins guides popey's mouse hand to buying GTA on Amazon [10:53] i had to visit an ATM to deposit cash i'd earnt into my account @_@ [10:53] i'll stop going on about it now :) [10:58] I really should get a new console someday. my NES just can't keep up with all this stuff [10:59] :) [10:59] shauno: you've got an amiga, what more do you need?! [10:59] or did that disappear? [10:59] moar toys? [11:00] shining bright like a diamond [11:01] I actually really fancy the sound of all this new steam stuff. eventually. especially if I can cram xbmc back on there without too much ugliness [11:01] it'd be nice of the XBMC team could start hacking in some kind of Steam switcher ;) [11:01] there still isn't much in the way of AAA titles available for loonicks/steamos [11:02] well, my 'daily driver' is OSX, so I'm used to that [11:04] does "GeForce 8600, Radeon 2400HD or newer, 256MB" cover my macbook pro's Intel HD4000? [11:04] 'cover' ? [11:04] oh i see what you mean [11:04] daftykins: will it work [11:04] maybe, just not for frames :D [11:05] it seems, for a platform that uses intel graphics extensively, the app store never mentions whether a game will work on an intel chip [11:06] i can't say i'd expect anyone to try and run games on such a thing :) [11:06] e.g. in this case, supreme commander 2. that's all they list in terms of gfx requirements [11:07] why wouldn't a mac user want to play games? [11:07] I don't get that snobbishness [11:07] diddledan: I think steams plan is to work on one AAA get it 100% near as damn it then release that one AAA then move onto the next [11:07] diddledan: i mean something with onboard graphics, nothing to do with it being a mac [11:07] usually the assumption is that if they have to specify video requirements, intel integrated isn't going to cut it. if integrated was sufficient, they could just say "any mac since 200x" [11:08] it's crazy that these mbp-retinas only came with intel gfx [11:10] one of many reasons I don't want one :) [11:10] what?! a mac-female-prostitute like you, not want an mbp retina?! [11:11] what is the world coming to?! [11:11] all the retina ones are knowingly underpowered [11:11] I'm not ready to give up the optical drive. I really like having a sacrificial drivebay I can cram a second hdd into [11:12] lol [11:12] the old mbp is gonna get retired soon, I'm betting [11:12] lalalala I can't hear you! [11:13] shauno: you could always go back to running a hack [11:15] :S [11:23] ooh err boiler sat at 0 pressure for central heating ;/ [11:23] but huzzah - my latest batch of Nespresso coffee machine pods arrived this morning \o [11:23] \o/ [11:23] time to try their new strongest coffee [11:24] hm; I wonder why dropbox says it's updating over 9000 (yarly) files [11:24] D: [11:26] shauno: you won the lottery [11:26] the file lottery [11:26] YAAAAY [11:26] your prize - another massive monkey! [11:27] pervert! [11:27] ...what [11:27] :-p [11:28] it's all fine until you realise that someone has to "be on the receiving end of a massive monkey" [11:28] i think i shall run my small Linux VMs off the new SSD when it arrives, as new OS drive for my server [11:28] sure but as he already has one, shauno will be able to further populate his sofa with them [11:29] I don't want to know about shaun's massive monkey - besides it's not the size, it's what you do with it that counts [11:29] fun and games aside, your convo stays in the gutter way too much :( [11:30] lol [11:30] yeah, I don't think I need another giant monkey. I noticed they have pandas too though [11:30] what can I say, I'm sick and twisted [11:30] shauno: awesome [11:30] shauno: buy the whole zoo! [11:31] shauno: i thought you could get a second one then make girl clothes for it [11:32] oh dear, now you got my mind working along the lines of "a pair of girl monkeys" [11:32] no one's a boy still naturally [11:32] then they sit on shauno's sofa as a couple! [11:32] see it's not my fault everyone just sets me up [11:33] how come it defaults to being a boy monkey? [11:33] the world is sick and twisted, I just notice it more than everyone else [11:33] this one's a boy monkey. it's called martin, after an incident with one of the sales guys. [11:33] did the incident involve bananas? [11:34] phillipshum: because we live in a society that historically has males as the superior being [11:34] which I cna't really argue about [11:34] nor can I ;) [11:34] you know, when you're right you're right :-p [11:38] martin (swedish sales guy) sent an email to far too many people proclaiming the monkey to be our employee of the month. so the monkey found a name. [11:38] all in all, getting a giant monkey delivered to the office made for a rather strange day [11:39] XD [11:39] any funny looks? [11:39] this is such a badly written story, i couldn't make sense of it http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-24347798 [11:39] worse than an orlowksi el reg article [11:40] northern germany is in hamburg? [11:41] maybe written by a bot [11:42] mungbean: try writing in German for the German version of the BBC site [11:45] its not just the grammar, but information is all jumbled and confusing [11:45] the last paragraph doesn't make sense at all [11:46] also, "This was when I was in my 20s and she probably did not tell me anything at this point because she wanted to protect me - she thought it would be better if I did not know about my real past, about the truth, about my family, about my grandfather." [11:46] "she" is talking about her family and then suddenly the last paragraph saays "it is a story that is very unique and very unusual" [11:47] the reg's writing has definitely gotten worse [11:47] ".. it is a story that has a deeper meaning" <-- she wouldn't say that about her own story [11:47] their GTA V review doesn't even get the 3 main characters names right [11:47] I gave up reading el reg years ago. probably even before I gave up on slashdot [11:47] shauno: slashdot is just evil [11:47] yeah, i only read if somebody gives me a link [11:48] shauno: it isn't news, it's comments [11:48] slashdot is just an autistic stand-off [11:48] the reg's vocabulary amuses me [11:49] an article is linked saying "OMGZORS END OF THE WORLD IS TOMORROW". the actual article says "nobody has ever predicted the end of the world, and we aren't going to. if you read this article and assume the end of the world is neigh then you're a retard" [11:50] is the inquirer realted to the reg? [11:50] and how do they make money? [11:50] apart from the advertorials [11:50] probably the incessant ads that invade even the RSS feeds =/ [11:50] i'd have thought they could've been related at some point, i used to read theinq but then switched [11:51] if it's got a red top i don't read it.seems to work so far [11:51] BBC tech reporting is too dire to even consider [11:52] i'm fine with the reg, i don't understand the whole colour system :D [11:52] mungbean: that's pretty much how I explain british press to people :/ [11:52] but but, red indicates the veracity of their reporting [11:52] if it's printed on paper, it's bad. if it has a red banner, it's worse. [11:52] red indicates the use of bold and hyperbole [11:52] Ahh: http://line-mode.cern.ch/www/hypertext/WWW/TheProject.html [11:52] the sun is obviously the most accurate paper! [11:53] anything with "daily" means it's got a lot of editorial and very little actual substance [11:53] e.g. daily mail [11:53] i've given up on the news [11:54] a glance at bbc website doesn't even tell me that much, and i'm ok with that [11:55] new hobbit trailer [11:55] thats all i need to know [11:56] not sure I even need that much. I know I'm going to see it, I have a vague idea of the plot .. all a trailer can do is give stuff away [11:57] yeah i'm sure my excited wife will tell me every day until christmas [11:57] i took a packed lunch last time i went. which was the only film i've seen @ cniema in 2 yrs [11:58] Ouch: http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2013/10/lavabit-defied-order-for-snowdens-login-info-then-govt-asked-for-sites-ssl-key/ [11:58] isn't cneima the god that the bad guys in indiejones and the temple of doom were sacrificing people to apease? [11:58] TheOpenSourcerer: yeah I saw that [11:59] pretty impressive the lengths he went to rather than cave [11:59] indeed, I'm glad he retained his integrity [11:59] Yeah - that's quite impressive. [11:59] shows there are some good people left in the world [12:00] Bet he was under some serious pressure to bend over [12:00] providing the ssl key as 4pf text printed on paper was giggle-worthy though. like paying a fine in pennies [12:00] the shop down the road from me has 'Christmas tins' of sweets labelled already =| [12:00] * TheOpenSourcerer paid a £75 fine in 2p pieces once ;-) [12:00] TheOpenSourcerer: nice [12:01] it shouldn't actually be a big deal. just weigh them [12:01] afaict the lavabit dude would have been subjected to $10,000 in fines for the two days between the contempt of court ruling and when he actually shut the service [12:01] It was then. The magistrates' court didn't have scales [12:02] should have faxed the thing at 4pt to further blur it [12:02] XD [12:02] on that thermal paper that fades. dixons sell you a fridge and then in 1 yr the receipt is blank [12:02] popey: alternatively fax it at 248pt === alan_g is now known as alan_g|lunch [12:03] write it on a 28ft wide cheque [12:03] don't put a stamp on it [12:05] reminds me, I found out recently, which makes perfect sense but never crossed my mind - apparently the reason the 2p coin is so large, is because it weighs exactly twice a 1p coin. so weighing a mixed bag of 1p & 2p works fine [12:05] oh cool [12:05] but largely obsolete now [12:05] kinda wish they'd eradicate the coppers [12:05] yeah, stupid police [12:05] force all prices to be 5 or 10p divisible [12:06] haha [12:06] shauno: I believe the same works for 5 and 10p [12:06] i would agree that 1/2p suck [12:06] shauno: and 1 and 2£ [12:06] Bring back farthings and groats [12:06] daftykins: but If you get rid of the copper who enforces the law? [12:06] davmor2: too slow :( [12:06] I prefer sheep to groats [12:07] john o groats? [12:07] diddledan: hah, so it does. clever [12:07] i like English notes, but you guys should totally have a £1 note like ours [12:07] I'm catching up on scrollback :P [12:07] you get to feel rich thumbing through a big stash of 1's in your wallet [12:08] 2s 6d [12:08] I prefer 1+2 coins. it just makes more sense in my head when they at least have the same denominations as the euro [12:08] nooo let the past be the past [12:09] i enjoyed my Irish friend moving for a new job in England, she said she can't get used to the money :D [12:09] notes _are_ the past ☻ [12:09] £1 are anyway [12:09] I hate going to the US and getting a handful of 1's [12:09] haha [12:09] US money is terrible, can't pick them out in your wallet easy since they're all green =| [12:09] I'm amazed the yanks still have a $1 bill [12:09] the only thing I do notice is that because the sterling is worth more; I seem to end up witha pocket full of shrapnel that adds up to a lot more than it feels like [12:09] All same size [12:10] All same colour [12:10] yip [12:10] useless for accessibility [12:10] i think the 5s have a little red 5 in a corner, but yeah still pretty tough to distinguish [12:10] apparently blind people use a system of folding them to keep track of which bill is which. I have no idea how they handle new bills though [12:10] interesting [12:12] ah, there we go .. I'm not crazy - http://www.afb.org/section.aspx?DocumentID=2232 [12:12] they don't mention how you're supposed to tell one from another before you fold them either [12:13] * mungbean is installing cloudstack [12:13] far more impressed already than openstack [12:13] by a factor of 10 squillion [12:14] shauno: meanwhile you get cleaned out sat sorting through your money trying to pay for something ;/ [12:19] NSFW! But blimey: http://www.theguardian.com/music/2013/oct/03/sinead-o-connor-open-letter-miley-cyrus [12:32] how is kvm configured on a machine with 1 network interface? [12:33] mungbean: As it always is? [12:33] mungbean: And how can Cloudstack impress you more than OpenStack? [12:33] i wanna host kvm guests on my laptop, but the bridging don't seem to be working...will look for other docs [12:34] mungbean: You do have libvirt installed? [12:34] yes [12:34] i'm at the bridging stage [12:34] libvirt is suppose to autoconfigure an interface on Ubuntu (virbr0). [12:34] centos [12:35] Ah, your problem then. ;-) [12:35] it defaults to natted afaik [12:35] bridging is a bit of a pickle to figure out [12:35] jpds: bit rude [12:35] daftykins: Channel name. [12:36] yeah, doesn't permit rudeness though [12:36] I think you've got no hope if you plan to do anything though wifi [12:36] well, you can get stuff with the nat, but anything beyond that might be a bit of a hassle [12:36]