[03:31] <skreech__> What's L2tp ?
[03:32] <skreech__> !vpn
[07:01] <ym> How can i upgrade to new KDE4.11
[07:01] <ym> my system is kubuntu12.04
[07:19] <skreech__> ym: It's on www.kubuntu.org
[07:19] <skreech__> http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-sc-4.11
[07:49] <excognac> hi all. What is better for upgrade from 12.04to 13.04: live-dvd or Konsole? any serious issues with either way?
[07:58] <hateball> excognac: well you're going to go 12.04-12.10-13.04, unless you want to risk breaking things
[07:59] <hateball> Personally I get faster read speeds from the internet than I do from physical media, so I opt for that :)
[08:02] <excognac> hateball, thanks bro. i'll do that.
[08:05] <skreech__> excognac: What's your hard drive setup?
[08:07] <excognac> skreech__: it's a laptop with separate system and data and win7 partitions. partition manager can't really see these as partitions were recently rescued/rep[aired with testdisk
[08:08] <skreech__> excognac: you saved the data?
[08:08] <excognac> skreech__: you mean testdisk log?
[08:09] <skreech__> ha ha Ok I guess I mean to ask are you fine with the system being reinstalled/upgraded in the current state. You are not going to lose anything?
[08:15] <excognac> skreech__: nope, i won't. all my data is backed up.
[08:16] <skreech__> alright well if you have some time you can upgrade from Konsole it's the way to keep things intact but takes a lot of time.
[08:17] <skreech__> Live DVD is almost the same amount of time for a singular upgrade but across multiple updates I'm not sure how well it turns out in terms of time. Of course if you are doing this across a couple of computers (same house, for school or friends) the DVD works out in terms of time
[08:17] <excognac> i'd prefer to use konsole instead of muon or so.
[08:18] <skreech__> Yeah me too
[08:18] <skreech__> but in terms of speed and being fairly clean when you are done a reinstall works out best but that's only nice if you have a /home partition
[08:26] <excognac> i do have it. so sudo do-release-upgrade will upgrade first to 12.10 then, right?
[08:50] <skreech__> Yes :)
[11:00] <BluesKaj> howdy all
[12:23] <Gargoyle1976> I'm having issues with my usb ports.  Power but no recognition of devices.
[12:24] <Gargoyle1976> Any thoughts?
[12:35] <chachan> Gargoyle1976, any device?
[12:39] <bootkiller> Gargoyle1976, had the same issue a few days, unplugging and reconnecting all devices did the trick.
[12:50] <Gargoyle1976> bootkiller: tried that.  No dice.  It is my mouse.  The only change I've had in the last week is I had to change out my video card.  But I wouldn't think that would affect the usb...
[12:50] <Gargoyle1976> bootkiller: I'm using a ps2 mounse now...but I tried other devices and they aren't recognized...just powered
[13:59] <Gargoyle1976> BluesKaj: Greetings.  remember trying to help me with my usb problem?
[14:01] <BluesKaj> hi Gargoyle1976 , yes , how's it going ?
[14:02] <Gargoyle1976> BluesKaj: Not good.  Apparently my usb is providing power but no data.  Won't detect anything connected to it.  Was working fine before video card change out.  Stumped
[14:04] <BluesKaj> Gargoyle1976, could you expalin your situation again ?, my memory needs refreshing
[14:04] <BluesKaj> err explain
[14:07] <BluesKaj> Gargoyle1976, so you installed new graphics driver for the new graphics card and now you don't have  ?
[14:20] <Gargoyle1976> BluesKaj:Graphics card crapped out(memory); Got new card(both nVidia); now usb giving issues;  Thought it was just mouse but discovered the usb won't recognize anything
[14:20] <Gargoyle1976> BluesKaj: Power is supplied but no data...strange
[14:21] <BluesKaj> Gargoyle1976, did you lsusb in the terminal ?
[14:22] <Gargoyle1976> BluesKaj: Yeah...when the mouse is plugged in it sees it but can't communicate.  I plugged in my phone and it got power but it couldn't see it.  tried another phone still no recognition
[14:23] <BluesKaj> Gargoyle1976, have you updated / upgraded lately?
[14:24] <Gargoyle1976> BluesKaj: I try to keep updated regularly.  Check at least once a week.  If not more
[14:27] <Gargoyle1976> BluesKaj: Just checked...got some updating to get current.  Will check back if still problems  thanks
[14:27] <Gargoyle1976> BluesKaj: Back later
[14:27] <BluesKaj> Gargoyle1976, always run updates and upgrades after installing new hardware even if you installed new driver and rebooted
[14:44] <flare> ubuntu español?
[14:45] <flare> how to install private drivers in ubuntu 13.04
[14:45] <BluesKaj> !es > flare
[14:46] <BluesKaj> flare, this kubuntu support not ubuntu
[14:47] <flare> ok thanks a lot
[17:43] <kubuntu> holo
[17:44] <Guest94238> u.u
[17:48] <genii> Hm.
[17:53] <DrowKiroth> hello all
[17:53] <DrowKiroth>  I need some help I am new to Kubuntu
[17:53] <DrowKiroth> I am trying to get sfml 2.1 working on Kubuntu and need to install some othe packages but cant seem to find them
[17:54] <DrowKiroth>  I do not have a ton of experience on linux but want to use it more
[17:54] <vadrao> Hi all, I have a latest touch based windows 8 device. I would like to install and test Plasma active. I would like to know how I can go abou doing that. I am running the latest Kubuntu now.
[17:55] <DrowKiroth>  the first package is pthread
[17:55] <vadrao> DrowKiroth: Are you trying to install it from the package manager? or other method?
[17:57] <DrowKiroth> either way
[17:58] <DrowKiroth>  I have tried the software manager and couldnt find it in there and
[17:58] <DrowKiroth> cant seem to find the right source online
[17:58] <DrowKiroth>  pppppp
[17:59] <DrowKiroth> ignore the p's
[18:00] <vadrao> Just search for "sfl" in Muon Package manager
[18:00] <vadrao> I think, the name of the package is "python-sfml"
[18:00] <vadrao> Then you can just install it and check it out
[18:01] <DrowKiroth> I am trying to use it with c and C++ as well as opengl also sfl just brought up sflphone
[18:02] <DrowKiroth> http://www.sfml-dev.org/tutorials/2.1/compile-with-cmake.php
[18:02] <DrowKiroth> that is the sfml instructions that I am trying to run off of
[18:03] <DrowKiroth> vadro I also appreciate the help by the ay
[18:05] <DrowKiroth> *way
[18:05] <genii> The repo version is still 1.6, there is a PPA with 2.0.0 but it was last updated Jan 14th
[18:05] <Daskreech> DrowKiroth: You can search here or on http://packages.ubuntu.com for the name of any command or package name you need
[18:06] <Daskreech> vadrao: Plasma active?
[18:06] <vadrao> Daskreech: Yes
[18:07] <vadrao> Daskreech: I would like to test the latest and the greatest as I have a touch screen device
[18:07] <Daskreech> http://community.kde.org/Plasma/Active/Installation
[18:07] <Daskreech> !info python-sfml
[18:11] <vadrao> Daskreech: I was hoping for something like a ppa so that I can test it with my current installation of Kubuntu?
[18:14] <Daskreech> claydoh: ping
[18:15] <claydoh> Daskreech:  pong!
[18:15] <Daskreech> claydoh: Is there a KA PPA?
[18:15] <claydoh> hmm
[18:15]  * claydoh looks
[18:15] <Daskreech> other than the daily live image?
[18:18] <claydoh> Daskreech: https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-active/+archive/ppa/+packages
[18:18] <claydoh> not sure how complete it is, have not used it myself
[18:30] <DrowKiroth> so sorry to sound stupid but I have to ask anyways when I go and search the database for packages it comes up with a bunch of different ones should I just take the first one? Once again I am sorry for being a ubuntu noob?  the package I am looking at right now is pthreads
[18:30] <BluesKaj> DrowKiroth, open muon and search there
[18:33] <vadrao> DrowKiroth: There are two ways you can install software on linux based computers. 1) Download the software, compile and install it. This is the way you are trying to install it now. 2) Install it directly from the package manager. Like the Muon Package manager. The package manager takes care of all the dependencies for you. So you do not need to install each software package seperately.
[18:33] <vadrao> I recommend the second way.
[18:33] <vadrao> So do many folks down in here
[18:33] <DrowKiroth> I have no problem ith doing it the second way
[18:34] <DrowKiroth> *with I like easy but sfml dosent come  up in the muno package manager
[18:35] <DrowKiroth> I apologize to you guys for being retarted
[18:36] <BluesKaj> DrowKiroth, what exactly are you trying to install ?
[18:36] <DrowKiroth> sfml is a software library for development
[18:36] <DrowKiroth> it is simliar to glut
[18:37] <DrowKiroth> or anyother api that you might use when using opengl to make graphics application
[18:37] <DrowKiroth> http://www.sfml-dev.org/tutorials/2.1/compile-with-cmake.php
[18:37] <vadrao> DrowKiroth: From this link http://www.sfml-dev.org/tutorials/2.1/start-linux.php
[18:38] <vadrao> I think you need to install the package called "libsfml-dev" from Muon Package manager
[18:38] <BluesKaj> DrowKiroth, libsmfl-dev
[18:39] <BluesKaj> it's in muon
[18:39] <vadrao> Alternatively just type the command in Konsole (a terminal program) "sudo apt-get install libsfml-dev"
[18:40] <BluesKaj> err libsfml-dev
[18:42] <DrowKiroth> thank you all
[18:43] <DrowKiroth> sorry to frustrate you Blueskaj
[18:43] <BluesKaj> no frusrtration , i'm patient :)
[18:44] <vadrao> DrowKiroth: So, did it work? :)
[18:44] <DrowKiroth> Yes it installed
[18:44] <DrowKiroth> but Now I need to double check some settings on my project and make sure that it knows where the libraries are
[18:45] <vadrao> Just keep trying. You will get it. If you are stuck, then you know where to knock :)
[18:45] <DrowKiroth>  Thanks guys
[19:09] <DrowKiroth> Hey vadro, by default where would I find the lib files Iif I did the install through the terminal
[19:13] <ka_> HM. I seem to not be able to log in after upgrade to 13.10. I get to te login screen. But only get kicked back to the login screen when I try to log in...
[19:21] <genii> ka_: The first suspect in these cases is the permissions in your home directory. Try when at login ctrl-alt-F1 to gain console and login there. It can either log you in OK or else give you a more informative message about the problem. If you can login then I suggest: sudo chown -R yourusername: /home/yourusername     and then alt-F7 back to login and see if it's fixed
[19:33] <ka_> Thanks I ll check
[19:34] <DrowKiroth> where are packages installed by default
[19:35] <ka_> HM I triied startx one last time and I got in! But it still won't work through regular loginmanager
[19:38] <ka_> I suspect I found the culprit. I had installed KDM in 1304 and this seems to not go so well when upgarding (maybe it is deprecated in some way)
[19:39] <ka_> Jepp uninstalling kdm did the trick. Argh that was  1 hour wasted...
[19:40] <vadrao> DrowKiroth: Do you know the exact name of the file you are looking for?
[19:40] <DrowKiroth> I just found it I was expecting a directory but they didnt end up there
[19:42] <vadrao> DrowKiroth: You can search for that directory
[19:44] <vadrao> For example, go to your root directory, and run a command like this. find . -name "Somethingyouwanttofind"
[19:45] <vadrao> sudo find . -name "etc"
[19:45] <vadrao> That would search for a folder called etc, and all the other files containing the name etc.
[20:07] <mikola> hello
[20:08] <genii> Hm.
[20:10] <rodnice> lol
[20:10] <rodnice> I have a widgets question.
[20:12] <BluesKaj> rodnice, ok ask your question
[20:12] <rodnice> Are widgets like a desktop version of apps?
[20:13] <rodnice> Just starting using Linux (Kubuntu 13) and I don't get the concept of widgets
[20:13] <BluesKaj> !applets
[20:13] <rodnice> When I saw Windows Vista have them, I thought they seemed gimicky.  A clock widget?
[20:14] <BluesKaj> !widgets
[20:14] <rodnice> is that a command?
[20:14] <BluesKaj> !plasma
[20:14] <rodnice> sorry, I'm not a Linux vet
[20:14] <BluesKaj> rodnice,it's to invoke out infobot
[20:14] <BluesKaj> our
[20:15] <rodnice> so where do I type that?
[20:15] <rodnice> !plasma
[20:15] <rodnice> hm
[20:17] <BluesKaj> do you see the small cashew like icon on the far right of the panel , click on it then add widgets , they are small programs that can be used in the panel
[20:17] <BluesKaj> rodnice, ^
[20:17] <rodnice> why would someone want to use widgets?
[20:18] <genii> If you want a widget on the screen... rightclick on the screen without any apps open, choose Add Widgets   then drag one from the bar that comes up out onto the screen.
[20:19] <genii> rodnice: Some of them have useful info to display, like cpu temperature
[20:19] <rodnice> OK, I guess that would be useful
[20:20] <rodnice> genii: what about something like a desktop clock? would not that be redundant?
[20:24] <rodnice> :-(
[20:24] <genii> rodnice: It all depends on user preference. some like just the panel clock, some like just a clock on their desktop, some like both or nonw.
[20:24] <genii> *none
[20:25] <rodnice> OK. So I guess it's just me then.  Fair enough.
[20:25] <rodnice> Another question...
[20:26] <rodnice> Kubuntu 13... when I installed it, I saw a transparent window in the top right quadrant of the screen. I thought it was clutter so I removed it.  What was its purpose?
[20:29] <genii> rodnice: Files that you put in /home/your-username  would normally appear in there
[20:31] <rodnice> genii: It seemed frivilous. Does that make a better system experience for some users?
[20:32] <genii> rodnice: It makes it handy for some to easily get to files without opening a file manager immediately, so yes
[20:36] <BluesKaj> rodnice, for example using a launcher in the panel with your fav apps there is very handy
[20:42] <rodnice> yes
[20:42] <rodnice> But what if I like a desktop full of stuff like icons?
[20:42] <rodnice> is my thinking not compatible for how Kubuntu is set up?
[20:47] <rodnice> genii: Thank you for your help. I have to go out into the world to be responsible.  Talk to you later.
[20:47] <genii> rodnice: You can add apps to the desktop by rightclick from the main menu and choosing to add them to the desktop
[20:47] <genii> Ah, too late.
[20:48]  * genii sips.
[21:01] <kristal> So I can enable/dsable font AA, but I can't find hinting settings...
[21:06] <genii> kristal: Have you clicked on the button "Configure" next to the anti-aliasing setting?
[21:09] <kristal> genii: Oh that's weird, you have to enable aa to enable hinting settings
[21:10] <kristal> And then exclude AA on a fint range, i set it to 0-15
[21:11] <kristal> More powerful and less straightforward than gtk DEs, but the best of both worlds made possible.
[21:27] <kristal> qt graphics system native and raster, I don't care about cpu usage, which hits gpu performance less?