=== chriadam|away is now known as chriadam [01:35] hi guys [01:36] does anyone know the status of ubuntu touch in regard of developed apps? [01:36] music and vieeo player [01:36] mail client [01:36] there is a music player yes [01:36] openpgp support and stuff? [01:36] and you can access gmail [01:37] is there an email client with pgp support? [01:37] something like k-9 and APG in android [01:38] not that I know of === _salem is now known as salem_ [01:51] cypherman, I know there is a gmail client [01:51] or web app I should say. [01:53] native email client might be ready on next on april release. === salem_ is now known as _salem === Namidairo`bnc is now known as Namidairo [03:22] Where can I get the images for dlx? === Ursinha is now known as Ursinha-afk [05:49] Hi all [05:49] How can I install ubuntu on Phone === Ursinha-afk is now known as Ursinha [05:54] cwayne: ping [06:08] l624: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TouchInstallProcess === Larry is now known as Guest50794 [06:33] I am curious if somebody has succesfully ported touch tablet to the new 2013 nexus 7? [06:33] No. [06:35] I'm not certain anyone's actively working on it, either. [06:35] If I would follow the porting guide would I be able to post it to ubuntu? I mean bugs, proformance, logs etc [06:35] maybe even the image [06:35] Probably not, because if it were that simple, it'd be done by now. There are driver issues. [06:35] But yes, that's the correct first step. [06:35] true that! [06:36] Right now *everything's* focusing on phone support, because there are 13 days until that's released. [06:36] After that, there are 6 months to tablet and desktop support. [06:37] so ubuntu touch is not beeing released on the 17th? [06:37] for tablets I mean [06:37] I just said it was. [06:37] No, not for tablets. It has never been planned for tablets until 14.04 LTS. [06:38] Desktop support is planned for 14.10. [06:38] ow ok then I will definetly start porting this weekend. Can't wait to see the result! [06:41] mfisch: ping === chihchun_afk is now known as chihchun [07:03] bit of a noob question but im looking through the core apps on launchpad.net and i cant seem to find system settings anywhere. Where is it? [07:11] GavMickey: ubuntu-system-settings [07:11] https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-system-settings [07:12] thanks just found it [07:12] ogra_, do you know if non-nexus images can use the delta upgrades at this point? [07:14] they cant [07:15] o/ all [07:15] guess I'm a bit early :) [07:16] Hi! Question: How do I restart unity8 without restarting the phone (just running unity8 doesn't seem to work...)? [07:17] pkill unity8 [07:17] it restarts itself [07:18] rickspencer3: I guess. I only just started flashing 80 [07:18] heya popey [07:18] read pauls mail in bed this morning and it inspired me to leap out of bed and flash [07:18] I'm waiting for my next plane at CDG [07:18] my phone [07:18] figure it's early there :) [07:18] popey, does stop unity8 no longer work?IIRC it used to be possible to stop/start it? [07:18] popey: ok, what about if unity8 has crashed? How do I restart it then? [07:19] janimo`: that works? [07:19] popey, no [07:19] hah [07:19] popey, hmmm, looks like Mir by default quite soon? [07:19] popey, I was just looking into how to restart unity8 when I saw this conversation [07:19] rickspencer3: exciting! [07:19] FINALLY [07:19] popey, I thought unity was a service [07:19] i usually just kill unity8, but if there's a better way? [07:19] popey, I want us to have an image "we are happy to ship" by the 10th, so, less than a week :) [07:19] (but I think we will do it) [07:20] i just opened the terminal on my phone and said "restart unity8" and it did [07:20] rickspencer3: yeah, I think so, I think we'll have a big queue for 0-day updates though [07:20] "Big" might be overstating it [07:20] "medium sized" [07:21] popey, as root or as phablet user? Neither works for me [07:21] as phablet [07:21] popey, well, I figure we can keep making new images after the 10th, and if we are happier with one of those, we'll ship it [07:22] but we should have on "in the can" by the 10th [07:22] rickspencer3: I'm also super keen for us to ship core app updates in the store post 10th [07:22] popey, ok, I switched using su - phablet and that made restart unavailable in the path. It works now, thanks [07:22] at least, that's my goal [07:22] popey, also, updates are weird with the image based updates [07:22] oh? [07:22] well, weird in a good way [07:23] I *love* the new update system [07:23] it's like, we have a solid image, and we know that everyone will get that exact image on the exact hardware [07:23] so, it's a lot less hair-raising [07:23] +1 [07:23] BRB Breakfast calls [07:23] once we pair that with phased updates, we'll have a really solid system [07:23] later popey! [07:45] is it possible to flash an old image, like 4,5 or 6 month old? [07:47] tmoenicke: I think you should be able to flash the zip files by adb pushing them and then select them in the recovery menu. Given you can find them somewhere on the servers still [07:47] anyone know if we have an archive of old images? [07:47] i do mzanetti [07:48] http://popey.mooo.com/mirror/ mzanetti tmoenicke [07:48] oh , cool [07:48] http://popey.mooo.com/mirror/cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch/daily-preinstalled/ goes back to june === chriadam is now known as chriadam|away [07:51] cool [07:52] popey: mzanetti: thx, i will try it out [07:57] does anyone know the id for the gsm interface on a nexus 4 running the latest build? in ifconfig it shows as a usb interface? [08:00] rmnet_usb0 [08:01] thanks (again) [08:03] xnox, hmm could it be that your dbus change moves the log somewhere else ? seems the tests dont find it anymore [08:10] hi there [08:12] * ogra_ flashes #80 [08:15] hey lool [08:18] xnox: heya [08:18] xnox: so while the dbus fix seemed to be correct, we need to fix it the other way as we're losing important logs now [08:18] Bored.. thought I would see what Mir would do... "terminate called after throwing an instance of 'boost::exception_detail::clone_impl >'what(): display factory cannot create fb display" [08:18] xnox: that is, dbus.log is now empty, and that's where we get a lot of debug information === cul- is now known as cul [08:19] xnox: could we fix it the otherway around? patch dbus to have a flag to NOT fork and revert back to the not forking behavior? [08:19] xnox: or patch it to still output stuff [08:21] \o/ Time setting sticks across reboots with #80 [08:22] popey: :-) [08:22] popey: are you Mir or SF? [08:22] boot time has been degradating lately [08:26] lool: sf [08:35] ogra_: log is in " .cache/upstart/dbus.log" that's where it's meant to be when started under upstart. any other locations means, you were not using dbus from upstart but auto-launched one. [08:35] lool: ^ [08:35] xnox, not here with a freshly flashed image [08:35] root@ubuntu-phablet:/# ls /home/phablet/.cache/upstart/dbus* [08:35] /home/phablet/.cache/upstart/dbus-session === sil2100_ is now known as sil2100 [08:36] this is after the third reboot [08:36] ogra_: wait i'm on my laptop, which wasn't upgraded over night. [08:36] i dont think upstart removes logs :) [08:36] ogra_: ... and you have other logs in ~/.cache/upstart/*.log ?! right. [08:36] so watch the timestamp or move it away [08:36] ogra_: well there is logrotate job for those ;-) [08:36] ah, k [08:36] yeah, its full of the normal session logs [08:37] xnox, lool: Adding "initctl set-env DBUS_DEBUG_OUTPUT=1" to the dbus.conf pre-start seems to allow dbus to produce the usual splurge. [08:38] jodh, yay, thanks ! [08:38] jodh: why set-env, instead of just normal "env DBUS_DEBUG_OUTPUT=1" at the top? [08:38] so all jobs get it ? [08:38] xnox: yup - even better! [08:39] Hi everyone, I have a basic question if that's OK? [08:39] ogra_: they'd all get it if you used 'set-env --global ...'. [08:39] ogra_: " echo env DBUS_DEBUG_OUTPUT=1" > ~/.config/upstart/dbus.override [08:39] ogra_: reboot and see if that works for you =) [08:40] xnox, will do, i just flashed and want to do some other tests before making it writable [08:40] ogra_: above doesn't need to have it writtable. [08:40] ogra_: or does it?! [08:40] oh [08:40] indeed [08:51] Good morning all; happy Friday, and happy Smile Day! :-D [08:52] lool, ping [08:54] xnox, works ! [08:55] ogra_: excellent. [08:55] Saviq: pong [08:55] jodh: i had no idea about the dbug environment variable =) [08:55] ogra_: so I guess another dbus upload.... [08:55] yeah [08:55] lool, ^^^^ i guess thats fine ? [08:56] lool, hey, so can we help with anything? kgunn asked me to give you anything you need to get AP going on Mir [08:56] (to get logging back) [08:56] lool: ogra_: or, do we really want that set on production systems, or should the override be done in testing? [08:56] Saviq: oh yes, help definitely welcome [08:56] Saviq: can we hangout? [08:56] Saviq: finishing an email, will be with you in 4mn [08:56] lool, sure, let me know [08:56] xnox, well, i think until we are sure the quality is good enough i would say we still need the logs [08:56] xnox: it's amazing what you can find reading the source :) [08:57] * ogra_ is afk for a moment === iahmad is now known as iahmad|afk [08:58] jodh: yeah. [08:58] ogra_: ok. [09:04] My messaging indicator turns blue when I receive an SMS, but pulling down the menu still shows "Empty!" Is this known? [09:19] hello [09:19] how do you run unity8? [09:19] Unity8 is the ui you see on ubuntu touch [09:20] I don't see it. That's wy I ask. [09:20] JamesTait: which image? [09:20] What do you see when you boot? [09:20] JamesTait: on 79 mine is blue and on 80 mine isn't blue, but both show messages [09:20] the login prompt [09:22] What device are you running it on and which build? [09:22] # unity8 [09:22] Segmentation fault (core dumped) [09:23] I am running this on cubieboard. Just did apt-get install ubuntu-touch [09:24] well, it's technically not installable but the parts apt complains about are not really important [09:24] popey, build 80. [09:24] calendar-app and likes === iahmad|afk is now known as iahmad [09:25] Try sshing into it and restarting unity8? [09:25] how do you restart it? [09:25] I am sshd in it all the time. it's not helping [09:25] Not sure what else to suggest it's not supported [09:26] To restart unity8 run pkill unity8 [09:26] it's not running [09:26] JamesTait: there are a couple of known issues with the messaging icon's state. I'll fix those today. [09:26] it crashes whenever you run it [09:26] and it's not even run because lightdm fails to start [09:28] Ah that's your problem then. Try disabling lightdm, then ssh into it after a reboot and manually executing unity8 [09:28] it crashes [09:29] and no need to disable lightdm. it does not work anyway. hence the login prompt [09:30] Sorry don't know then [09:30] ok, I guess it's normal that it does not work then [09:30] will look at something else then [09:30] thanks [09:31] apw, strace -o /tmp/strace.out ureadahead --force-trace [09:31] ... [09:31] munmap(0x40149000, 4096) = 0 [09:31] openat(3, "events/fs/do_sys_open/enable", O_RDWR|O_LARGEFILE) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) [09:31] close(3) = 0 [09:31] write(2, "ureadahead: Error while tracing:"..., 59) = 59 [09:32] apw, did we lose the ureadahead patch from the mako kernel ? [09:33] is there anyway to make adb understand that it should not limit itself to 80x25 ? [09:33] sadly not [09:33] ok [09:33] use ssh instead ;-) [09:33] (well, there surely is with a lot of hacking) === b0bben_ is now known as b0bben [09:39] larsu, excellent, thanks. :) Is there a bug I should subscribe to? [09:40] Hi everyone, I've just got a basic question - is it OK to ask it in this channel? [09:40] apw, oh, seems we only added the patch to https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/saucy/+source/linux-maguro/3.0.0-3.9 ... would you mind adding it to mako too (that actually eplainx why maguro boots faster) [09:42] Hey anyone. How would need to get some content like music and videos on my Nexus 7. Few days back when I flashed it think there was some but now with the latest build Music and Videos scopes are just empty. I'm using following flash command: phablet-flash ubuntu-system -d grouper [09:42] KathyReid: on irc, usually one simply asks the quesion one has straight away.... =) so yes, always simply ask / say what you want to say. [09:42] xnox: thanks. [09:43] JamesTait: I haven't triaged them yet (mostly it's been people pinging me about it). There are at least #1234680 and #1220487 [09:43] bug #1234680 bug #1220487 [09:43] bug 1234680 in indicator-messages (Ubuntu) "indicator-messages blue even though there are no messages" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1234680 [09:43] I've successfully flashed my LG Nexus 4 with Ubuntu Touch (mako) and it's working pretty well. What do I need to do to help test things / help out further? [09:43] bug 1220487 in indicator-messages (Ubuntu) "Messages indicator does not indicate new messages" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1220487 [09:44] Is there some way to make mako wake me up? I cant find the alarm clock... === vrruiz_ is now known as rvr [09:46] I suspect it would be one of the apps that does not exist [09:47] Go to the clock app and swipe along the top where it says clock [09:48] KathyReid, welcome! It really depends on what you want to do and how knowledgeable you are - there are plenty of opportunities like, continue testing images and look for regressions, or if you find something that's not working, submit a bug report, help fixing it if you know how, etc [09:51] vesar, you can use the MTP protocol to transfer your own music and video to the device. [09:52] vesar, I think the [09:52] vesar, I don't know why the sample movies/music was removed but it was, so you have to put your own content there. [09:53] ok, unity8 still crashes on start with today's updates so that's it I guess [09:53] diwic: thx for the welcome. I'm comfortable in ssh / bash, know a little bit of C, Java etc. Is there a 'here's how to start helping' guide anywhere? [09:55] ogra_, will look into it [09:55] apw, thanks ! [09:55] KathyReid, if you like coding, maybe you would be interested in helping out with one of the core apps: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/CoreApps [09:55] diwic, thanks. I'll transfer some of my own content there then. Just wondered because I remember seeing some default offline content there in the past. [09:57] Has anyone started working on getting tethering/hotspot working? [10:01] Morning all [10:01] ogra_: you nice refreshed after your day off ;) [10:01] GavMickey, after 13.10 is out [10:01] davmor2, totally .... and completely united now [10:01] diwic: thanks for the tip, the burndown charts are really useful [10:02] Ok thanks [10:03] KathyReid, I encourage you to pick what is in your interest and what you think is fun to do - if so, you're more likely to enjoy it here. :-) [10:04] diwic: thanks again, will do, and thanks too for the welcome - it is very appreciated [10:06] KathyReid, thanks for wanting to help out [10:10] Hello! I own a Nexus 4. Do current Ubuntu Touch builds already provide a desktop environment when the phone is connecterd to an external screen via hdmi cable? [10:10] no [10:10] thats 14.04 or 14.10 material [10:12] Quick question, will running sudo apt-get upgrade from ubuntu touch upgrade to the latest nightly build? === fmasi_afk is now known as fmasi [10:33] ogra_: who do I talk to about mir at this untimely hour for the US [10:33] gema, Saviq perhaps [10:33] Saviq: are you around? [10:34] gema, or #ubuntu-mir :) [10:34] Saviq: ack, will try there [10:36] Adios all will be back soon [10:51] guys, since todays image "reboot" as root of the phone doesn't reboot it [10:51] it seems it gets stuck trying to shutdown [10:51] any idea? [10:52] tsdgeos, i noticed that myself "adb reboot" works as expected [10:52] not sure what changed that made upstart reboots not work anymore [10:53] ogra_: shall i report a bug? against what? [10:55] tsdgeos, ah so you think it's not shutting down even? [10:55] Saviq: not sure [10:56] it is shutting down, you can bnoot it immediately again [10:56] *boot [11:01] stgraber, hmm, i'm trying to get ureadahead to work ... sadly it expects to mount the debugfs under /var/lib/ureadahead/debugfs ... and demands /var/lib/ureadahead to be writable ... adding the latter to writable-paths gets me a writable dir, but the mount in the subdir is gone === fmasi is now known as fmasi_afk === fmasi_afk is now known as fmasi [11:24] mhr3_, you guys were looking for a crash file ? http://people.canonical.com/~ogra/ubuntu-touch/_usr_lib_arm-linux-gnueabihf_hud_hud-service.32011.crash [11:24] ogra_, can you get the stacktrace from it pls? [11:25] i dont think there are any dbg packages installed ... [11:25] install them :) [11:25] but i see the dbus-hang a lot with maguro today [11:25] (image is still readonly only Mir enabled) [11:26] i havent see a single hang with SF [11:26] *seen [11:27] ogra_, mhr3_: let me get the stacktrace, I've a rw image with ddebs enabled [11:27] cool. thanks [11:27] seems to really be realted to Mir [11:27] *related [11:27] and the issue is just happenning on my desktop actually [11:27] SF with working ureadahead boots in ~25sec now [11:27] so can get live data from it [11:28] mhr3_, the hud one? [11:28] Mir takes around a minute [11:28] seb128, yes [11:28] hmm that indeed trashes my Mir theory :) [11:28] seb128, xnox, and DBUS_SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS is not set in its environ [11:28] mhr3_, ok, great [11:29] and paste.ubuntu.com isn't working :/ [11:31] xnox, env of the hud process http://paste.debian.net/50230/ [11:32] ogra_, do you know if the impact of a package on the image disk footprint is ~ the size of the deb? === MacSlow is now known as MacSlow|lunch [11:32] i think we're running multiple dbuses [11:32] ogra_, e.g is it compressed and at the same level? [11:32] mhr3_: what's the output of $ initctl list-env ? [11:32] seb128, the size of the installed deb minus /usr/share/doc/* [11:32] ogra_, thanks, looking at langpacks, Pat said it's ok to get a few on the images, I'm getting the numbers [11:32] xnox, http://paste.ubuntu.com/6191827/ [11:33] seb128, it uses xz compression for the tarball, not sure if it complesses at the same level though [11:33] ogra_, we were shooting for chinese, spanish, german, french [11:33] mhr3_: right, dbus is set. [11:33] seb128, sounds good [11:33] mhr3_: status hud; status dbus; ? [11:33] mhr3_: and does the hud's pid from status, match the pid of hud? [11:33] xnox, no, hud exitted meanwhile, it does that after a while [11:34] but if something starts it again, the env still isn't set [11:34] mhr3_, is it started through upstart, or dbus activated? [11:35] seb128, it's dbus-activated which does "start hud" [11:35] so... let's call it upstart-over-dbus activation? :P [11:35] i mean [11:35] mhr3_: which is wrong, cause it will happen before dbus is started, since you are forcing it to start regardless of what other things are happening or dbus starting. [11:35] broken-upstart-over-dbus activation [11:36] xnox, hm? [11:36] dbus is running my whole session, hud is stopped, if i let dbus do "start hud" the env there isn't set [11:37] i *think* if i do it myself it will be set [11:38] don't want to otherwise i lose that broken state [11:38] also why is ted using bash to exec things /o\ [11:38] and sleeps =/ [11:39] let's not go into that [11:39] the dbus activation script is a red herring, though (no matter whether it's good or bad) [11:39] as mhr3_ says, manually starting and stopping the service reproduces the problem [11:39] http://people.canonical.com/~ogra/ubuntu-touch/bootchart-maguro-hud-dbus-hang.png [11:40] i dont get that with SF on maguro [11:40] http://people.canonical.com/~ogra/ubuntu-touch/bootchart-maguro-SF.png [11:41] pete-woods: well, something talks to hud -> dbus-activation-hack.sh bash script is called -> if upstart_session variable is set -> start hud; sleep 10..... else fallback to executing hud-service [11:41] (the latter one actually has the UI on screen under 25sec [11:41] ) [11:41] pete-woods: and the upstart job is to simply start hud. [11:42] xnox, how many dbus-daemon are we supposed to have? [11:42] cause i have 5 of them [11:42] mhr3_: that means, that crap is autoactivating additional onces instead of using the system on. [11:43] mhr3_: we should have at most 2 session dbus (one normal one, one for atk/a11y) [11:43] 690 ? Ss 0:03 dbus-daemon --system --fork [11:43] 1284 ? Ss 0:00 \_ dbus-daemon --fork --session --address=unix:abstract=/tmp/dbus-ic2MIWcWW9 [11:43] 1259 ? Ss 0:00 //bin/dbus-daemon --fork --print-pid 4 --print-address 6 --session [11:43] xnox, which would totally explain this, hud connects to a different dbus [11:43] 102 1176 0.0 0.0 32360 3028 ? Ss Sep30 0:47 dbus-daemon --system --fork [11:43] miso 3125 0.0 0.0 33920 4416 ? Ss Sep30 1:06 dbus-daemon --session --address=unix:abstract=/tmp/dbus-h90A8DWTwU [11:43] miso 3160 0.0 0.0 30748 1916 ? S Sep30 0:01 /bin/dbus-daemon --config-file=/etc/at-spi2/accessibility.conf --nofork --print-address 3 [11:43] root 8077 0.0 0.0 30376 1352 ? Ss Oct01 0:00 //bin/dbus-daemon --fork --print-pid 5 --print-address 7 --session [11:43] miso 32673 0.0 0.0 30508 1264 ? Ss 11:59 0:00 //bin/dbus-daemon --fork --print-pid 5 --print-address 7 --session [11:43] mhr3_: let me explore what's going on, on my grouper after I fix the next one. [11:43] i wonder what the latter one is [11:44] mhr3_: please use pastebin [11:44] mhr3_: upgrade, you are running out of date dbus package?! [11:44] xnox, yes :) [11:44] * ogra_ guesses all these // processes shouldnt be there [11:44] mhr3_: what's the output of: dpkg -l dbus [11:44] xnox, i upgraded already, but running this session for a few days [11:44] mhr3_: well, if you don't apply yesterday's fixes, i'm not sure how else i can help you =) [11:45] mhr3_, you mean you relpaced dbus underneath a running session but didnt restart it ? [11:45] mhr3_: there is no way to restart dbus. [11:45] the session [11:45] xnox, you think your dbus fix is going to fix the multi-dbuses i'm having? [11:46] xnox, isn't the unset DBUS envvar still odd? [11:46] of course it's odd [11:46] xnox, i mean it'll be unset if upstart runs the job *now* [11:46] mhr3_: so unity & hud were starting ahead of dbus-daemon completing initialisation, thus clobbering and auto-spawning it's own. [11:47] xnox, could it be that upstart-dbus-session spawns its own daemon ? [11:47] mhr3_: sure, but not for the jobs that are already running..... upstart doesn't and I guess can't modify the environment of already running processes. [11:47] *bridge [11:48] xnox, but the hud job quits itself after a while [11:48] xnox, why doesn't upstart "update" the env on next start? [11:48] mhr3_: sure, but upon respawn it will be the environment of the dbus-daemon that launches it. and there are multiple ones, how would you know which one? [11:48] mhr3_: if you are sending dbus-send from e.g. unity, you will enherit running unity's environment which will have the wrong dbus in it. [11:49] mhr3_: and dbus-activation hack will not take the upstart path of execution at all... [11:49] mhr3_: please reboot and reproduce the problem, if you can. Such that I can reproduce it locally as well. [11:50] xnox, you know that's not gonna happen :P [11:50] (the reproducing it locally part) [11:50] the problem was that the whole session couldn't connect to the upstart's launched dbus-daemon, and instead gave up and auto-launched it's own dbus and used that everywhere..... [11:50] but at least we know we have too many dbuses [11:50] hmm [11:50] mhr3_: _you have too many dbusses ;-) [11:51] ev, does whoopsie spawn its own dbus daemon ? looking at http://people.canonical.com/~ogra/ubuntu-touch/bootchart-maguro-hud-dbus-hang.png ist suspiciously looks like that [11:51] ogra_: not explicitly [11:51] surely if it were simply the case of having too many dbus's then the DBUS_ADDRESS environment variable would be incorrect, not missing [11:51] ogra_: kind of the crasher, reacts to file events, which happens before dbus-daemon launched. I have merge proposal to fix that. [11:51] ogra_: but it will try to talk to NM over DBus [11:51] xnox, but upstart's DBUS == my session's DBUS env [11:51] as soon as it starts [11:52] ev, and if it cant ? [11:52] it really looks like it fires up one in the botochart [11:52] ogra_: then it will assume the system is always online [11:52] *boot [11:52] ev: ogra_: bug #1234841 [11:52] bug 1234841 in upstart (Ubuntu) "crash reports pop-up ahead of desktop loading, or atleast dbus being available" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1234841 [11:52] aha [11:52] ogra_: I'm not denying that's happening. I'm suggesting it may be happening implicitly. [11:53] ah excellent [11:53] ogra_: file events emitted before dbus is launched, thus whatever non-interactive ui / apport thingy doesn't have dbus and spawns it's own. [11:53] yeah, just read the bug :) [11:53] thanks [11:53] * xnox goes to fix up that merge proposal. [11:53] zsombi, ping [11:54] i doubt it will help the hud though :( [11:54] mhr3_: if you want to, modify dbus-activation-hack and add "env > ~/.cache/dbus-activation-hack-hud-environ.log" at the top [11:55] seb128: is it on purpose that the diagnostic data sending cannot be disabled? [11:55] gema, talk to ev [11:55] I don't know [11:55] ev: is that on purpose? [11:55] seb128: it's on the system settings ui [11:55] I think Laney and ev said that whoopsie needs a plka file [11:56] ev is sorting it [11:56] gema, right, but ev wrote that code and probably knows better the status [11:56] seb128: ahh, gotcha [11:56] it'll be added to pk-d-p [11:56] ev: do you have a bug number for that? [11:56] xnox, http://paste.ubuntu.com/6191903/ [11:56] ofono telephony really needs to be disabled for non 3g/4g tablets [11:56] how can we get a message to the ubuntu-touch devs [11:57] unless there will be a build for phones and a build for tablets [11:57]