[07:42] <AlanBell> morning
[08:03] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[08:03] <popey> Yes!
[08:04] <brobostigon> morning hrh popey
[08:08] <Gargoyle> Straw poll: ufw or iptables direct?
[08:08] <popey> marmite!
[08:08] <brobostigon> honey
[08:13] <TheOpenSourcerer> hunny
[08:14] <TheOpenSourcerer> morning everyone - still feel like death warmed up. Despite trying my best with curry and whiskey-based hot toddies last night...
[08:14] <brobostigon> fiance
[08:14] <brobostigon> morning TheOpenSourcerer
[08:14] <brobostigon> :(
[08:18] <directhex> TheOpenSourcerer, curry hot toddy - i like it!
[08:18]  * Gargoyle has been away from the ubuntu-uk channel for far too long!
[08:18] <TheOpenSourcerer> lol - hadn't actually thought of that. It might just work directhex
[08:18] <Gargoyle> Glad to see the podcast is still going :)
[08:18] <TheOpenSourcerer> replace lemon with tamarind
[08:39] <czajkowski> popey: Laney eiither of ye see this kinda shut down image? https://twitter.com/czajkowski/status/385876035952476160
[08:42] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[08:45] <Laney> czajkowski: looks like the thing you get if you press the power button
[08:45] <Laney> maybe
[08:45] <Laney> don't want to test it incase it shuts my computer down
[08:48] <popey> it is
[08:48] <czajkowski> hmm
[08:48] <czajkowski> have to do it that way when my little cog is MIS
[08:48] <czajkowski> *MIA
[08:49] <popey> ffs
[08:49] <popey> Laney: is there a bug that it shuts down anyway, regardless of what you click!?
[08:49] <popey> (yes, I did)
[08:49] <czajkowski> :(
[08:51] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Friday, and happy Smile Day! :-D
[08:51] <bigcalm> Happy stuck on 3g because virginmedia has gone down Day
[08:52] <JamesTait> bigcalm, don't forget to smile! ;)
[08:53] <bigcalm> Meh :)
[08:55] <JamesTait> bigcalm, happy Improve Your Office Day? ;)
[08:56] <bigcalm> Heh
[08:56] <bigcalm> I'm glad that I have a set-up that allows me to use 3g as a backup connection
[08:57] <bigcalm> I'm also glad that I have the knowledge to be able to make that set-up happen
[08:57] <bigcalm> Yay for being a tech geek :D
[08:57] <bigcalm> There, another smile :P
[09:00] <bigcalm> 157,693,845  692K/s   in 4m 27s
[09:00] <Gargoyle> Where can I get an 11.04 server install iso? It seems to be missing from http://releases.ubuntu.com/ ?
[09:00] <bigcalm> Mobile connections have improved a lot over time
[09:01] <bigcalm> !support
[09:01] <bigcalm> Humm
[09:01] <bigcalm> Not what I wanted
[09:02] <bigcalm> Gargoyle: 11.04 is EOL https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases
[09:02] <bigcalm> !eol
[09:02] <Laney> popey: I tried lock and suspend and it didn't shut down
[09:02] <popey> i clicked the x in the corner
[09:02] <bigcalm> Gargoyle: why do you want to use 11.04?
[09:02] <Gargoyle> nm, found it… couldn't see the woods for the trees! Deffo ready for the weekend.
[09:03] <popey> Gargoyle: 12.04 is LTS
[09:03] <popey> 12.04.3 in fact
[09:03] <Gargoyle> bigcalm: Thanks for the link - Need to mirror a machine running 11.04 so I can test install / upgrade
[09:03] <bigcalm> Fair enough
[09:04] <czajkowski> popey: Laney you're welcome :)
[09:05] <Laney> what for?
[09:05] <Gargoyle> bigcalm: Might have to take back that thanks! I remember playing with Warty and now I feel OLD! :(
[09:05] <Gargoyle> ;)
[09:06] <bigcalm> Happy everybody feeling old day :D
[09:07] <bigcalm> T - 21 days, 5 hours, 22 mins
[09:15] <xnox> https://twitter.com/big_ben_clock
[09:15]  * xnox facepalm
[09:17] <rowinggolfer> morning. does ubuntu-one provide a web interface which shows "recent activity" similar to that of Dropbox? ie.. like this screenshot? http://static.rowinggolfer.org/images/dropbox_ip.png
[09:21] <bigcalm> I just used up a month's worth of data
[09:21] <bigcalm> Whoops
[09:37] <czajkowski> rowinggolfer: have you looked at one.u.c ?
[09:37] <rowinggolfer> czajkowski, I haven't
[09:38] <rowinggolfer> the problem I am trying to solve is dynamic dns on my home server.
[09:38] <AlanBell> it won't be there, it will be on https://login.ubuntu.com/
[09:39] <AlanBell> Sites you last authenticated to
[09:39] <rowinggolfer> it is a little flaky at times, and I wondered if I already had an alternative way of finding out remotely what my home's ip is.
[09:39] <AlanBell> http://ipchicken.com/ does that
[09:39]  * AlanBell likes chicken related web services
[09:42] <directhex> ipgoat.com
[09:42] <rowinggolfer> AlanBell, how does that help me find a *remote* ip ?
[09:42] <directhex> which will baa at you
[09:43] <AlanBell> ah, so you are not at home
[09:44] <rowinggolfer> AlanBell, correct.
[09:45] <rowinggolfer> I use the free dlinkddns service, but sometimes it fails to update.
[09:46] <shauno> I use prey-project for that, but kinda hacked to bits to be a selfhosted webservice
[09:48] <rowinggolfer> I picture myself abroad needing to connect and scratching my head to find my home ip. I'm consdering a script which mails me whenever it changes?
[09:49] <rowinggolfer> but I think it has ubuntu-one installed (with no active account), so I wondered if that info was readily available should I set one up.
[09:53] <popey> rowinggolfer: i use prey
[09:53] <popey> its for alerting when your pc is stolen.. so you can get it back
[09:54] <popey> however as a byproduct you can make it check in regularly with your own server
[09:54] <popey> which I do
[09:54] <popey> so in my webserver logs I have the public IP address of all my machines because they all check in every 10 mins
[09:56] <Gargoyle> Is there a way to get apt on an 11.04 install working? I just get obsoleted messages.
[09:57] <rowinggolfer> popey, thanks.
[09:57] <popey> Gargoyle: point your sources.list at old-releases.ubuntu.com
[09:57] <popey> sorry http://old-releases.archive.ubuntu.com/
[10:00] <Gargoyle> No natty! http://old-releases.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/ :(
[10:00] <mgdm> understandable..
[10:01] <davmor2> Morning all
[10:01] <Gargoyle> hi
[10:02] <bigcalm> Yay, Virgrim Media cable is back
[10:03] <dwatkins> for now ;)
[10:03] <Gargoyle> popey: You were right first time…
[10:17] <mgdm> what's the easiest way to have a VNC server on Ubuntu? Vino...?
[10:18] <popey> its built in
[10:18] <popey> (on the desktop)
[10:18] <mgdm> Ah, nice
[10:18] <mgdm> Been a while since I needed one
[10:18] <popey> yes, vino
[10:48] <davmor2> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YyDqoLimejg just had this baseline in my head took me an age to remember the track
[10:52] <davmor2> popey: so I see giffgaff are back up then :)
[10:54] <popey> yeah
[10:55] <davmor2> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ryCpg8f45gc classic
[10:57] <rowinggolfer> popey, I moved from orange to giffgaff also. Only thing that sucks is the coverage here.
[10:57] <popey> me too
[10:57] <dwatkins> whose network do giffgaff use?
[10:57] <dwatkins> I think talktalk uses vodafone's
[10:58] <AlanBell> giffgaff is O"
[10:58] <AlanBell> giffgaff is O2
[10:58] <popey> 5 devices on giffgaff in our house!
[10:59] <rowinggolfer> I wish I could get a network extender.. or whatever they're called
[10:59] <popey> microcell
[11:01] <shauno> I keep seeing them called femtocell too, with no discernable difference between them
[11:01] <AlanBell> or a picocell
[11:01] <dwatkins> I have a Vodafone microcell, but I'm on Three and O2 now, so it's no use to me.
[11:01] <AlanBell> friend of mine set up a huge wifi network because of the rural location and crap service from BT http://www.marykirk.com/
[11:01] <dwatkins> A friend has talktalk mobiles, but I don't think he can use the microcell, even though they're piggybacking on Vodafone's network.
[11:02] <shauno> this is quite nerdtastic; http://htwins.net/scale2/  kinda stuff we should have had at school
[11:02] <dwatkins> AlanBell: neat idea, I gather some people in Michigan did something similar and pay for fibre to a town and laid cables between the houses themselves.
[11:07] <davmor2> 1 time....1time.....1time
[11:18] <mgdm> Installing the nvidia drivers made the NIC go away (or so it seems, I can't prove causation :-)
[11:18] <mgdm> so I can have a working network, or working graphics, but not both at the same time :(
[11:29] <bigcalm> Is pastebin broken today?
[11:31] <popey> yes
[11:34] <bigcalm> Pop
[11:34] <bigcalm> +o
[11:46] <davmor2> popo
[11:55] <TheOpenSourcerer> does anyone else zsync the daily isos? http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/
[11:55] <TheOpenSourcerer> Am getting zsyncing daily-live/current/saucy-desktop-i386.iso.zsync ...
[11:55] <TheOpenSourcerer> cdimage.ubuntu.com: No such file or directory
[11:55] <TheOpenSourcerer> failed on url http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/saucy-desktop-i386.iso.zsync
[11:55] <TheOpenSourcerer> could not read control file from URL http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/saucy-desktop-i386.iso.zsync
[12:11] <popey> works here TheOpenSourcerer
[12:11] <TheOpenSourcerer> nm - the server I was running on had a bad dns config
[12:11] <TheOpenSourcerer> oops.
[12:11] <TheOpenSourcerer> Wasn't resolving
[12:12] <TheOpenSourcerer> It is now ;-)
[12:19] <davmor2> TheOpenSourcerer: hehe
[12:53] <popey> Myrtti / jussi http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-24303423
[12:53] <popey> \o/
[12:56] <Myrtti> Dracula *is* the best salmiakki
[12:57] <diplo> Sounds awful!
[13:01] <Myrtti> on the same, somewhat NSFW (sorry!) thread http://naurunappula.com/932919/sananlaskuja-englanniksi.jpg
[13:04]  * bigcalm droops at that photo
[13:05] <Myrtti> it's not naughty pictures
[13:05] <Myrtti> just naughty words
[13:06] <bigcalm> Aww
[13:08] <popey> Myrtti: can you get dracula in the uk?
[13:08] <Myrtti> I didn't know you can get any salmiakki in UK
[13:09] <bigcalm> Closest is panda licorice in H&B
[13:10] <Myrtti> that's licorice tho.
[13:10] <bigcalm> Yes
[13:10] <Myrtti> totally different animal.
[13:10] <bigcalm> Apart from the colour ;)
[13:10] <bigcalm> Isn't it a product of Finland?
[13:11] <Myrtti> Panda licorice? yes
[13:12] <bigcalm> Yay, I remembered correctly
[13:13] <bigcalm> Most of my good memories of Finland are of food
[13:13] <bigcalm> Oh damn, I want cheese now
[13:37] <davmor2> bigcalm: Myrtti I prefer honey liquorice, but I think that is more denmark iirc
[13:38] <Myrtti> I don't really eat that much of either
[14:16] <Seeker`> Myrtti: http://www.cybercandy.co.uk/store/Finnish-Candy.html
[14:16] <Seeker`> popey: ^
[14:16] <popey> ta
[14:16] <Seeker`> not dracula though
[14:18] <Myrtti> oh crikey, they've got the Space soda
[14:18] <Myrtti> orange cola ♥
[14:18] <Myrtti> never heard of Viol
[14:20] <Myrtti> Seeker`: http://www.cybercandy.co.uk/store/Dracula-Salty-Liquorice-Sweets-7314661114918.html
[14:20] <Myrtti> popey: ^
[14:23] <Seeker`> Myrtti: ah, cool. Shame I don't like liquorice :P
[14:24] <Myrtti> there's very few kinds of salmiakki I like, and that's one of them
[14:34] <popey> http://www.fazer.fi/Brandit/Tyrkisk_Peber/Valikoima/Tyrkisk-Peber-Original-150g/
[14:34] <popey> want
[14:35] <shauno> I want cheese :(
[14:37] <shauno> unfortunately I crave bryndza, and the only place here that delivers wants a e50 minimum order.  and e50 is a lot of cheese.
[14:46] <Seeker`> shauno: I fail to see the problem
[15:04] <bigcalm> It's Friday!
[15:04] <bigcalm> What does that mean?!
[15:04] <bigcalm> Oh yes: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ti1D9t8n0qA
[15:07] <davmor2> bigcalm: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Q7FFjUpVLg
[15:10] <diddledan> why did I click bigcalm 's link?
[15:10] <diddledan> wait, what?
[15:10] <diddledan> wtf?!
[15:11] <diddledan> that's worse than the original!
[15:20]  * TheOpenSourcerer loves Yello :-)
[15:20] <TheOpenSourcerer> My favourite yello track - turn it up LOUD! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=40EqZE2uawU
[15:29] <diddledan> why is youtube muted every video I play today?
[15:39] <Myrtti> popey: to dilute into vodka, or to eat?
[15:41] <daftykins> diddledan: that happened to me yesterday
[15:49]  * TheOpenSourcerer thinks a hurricane just flew over his house.
[15:53] <neuro> blah blah blah
[15:53] <neuro> o hai :)
[16:02] <popey> Myrtti: nom noms
[16:04] <Myrtti> popey: you're a better Finn than I am. I can't stand that stuff
[16:05] <Myrtti> if you had asked a week ago, I would've suggested a swap
[16:05] <Myrtti> I'll send you two bags of salmiakki if you send me some Yorkshire
[16:05] <Myrtti> but dsample is coming over to Finland in two weeks, so I'll just survive in the meantime
[16:05] <davmor2> diddledan: it hates you, hate it back it works for me
[16:07] <davmor2> TheOpenSourcerer: don't be daft you'd be missing roof tile if a hurricane went over your house.......oh hang on you mean the plane rightg :D
[16:39] <livingdaylight> Hhi
[16:40] <livingdaylight> recently got a mac mini, but its running really slow. Not impressed with lion osx. I do like the smallness of the mac mini though
[16:41] <livingdaylight> I see that there is a Mintbox of similar stature, but pricier than mac-mini. Anyone know whether one can get them cheaper somewhere/somewhow or any other alternative for that matter?
[16:54] <daftykins> livingdaylight: last i checked this was an ubuntu channel not a mac one
[16:55] <daftykins> not heard of a Mintbox 0o sounds non ubuntu too
[16:55] <livingdaylight> daftykins: that's a relief, coz that's why I'm here : )
[16:57] <livingdaylight> Not heard of mintbox? http://www.pcworld.com/article/257368/meet_the_mintbox_a_new_mini_pc_with_linux_mint_preinstalled.html  http://www.fit-pc.com/web/products/mintbox/
[16:59] <livingdaylight> Mintbox looks very nice but pricey imo. Can pick a mac mini up for less with teh same spec and put linux-distro on it, presumably. I imagine it will run quicker than Lion osx which as I say, isn't running well for me, anyway.
[17:00] <daftykins> small generally means corners-cut-somewhere
[17:00] <daftykins> what's the use-case, light web browsing?
[17:01] <daftykins> your mac-mini probably is lacking in the disk and RAM departments
[17:04] <livingdaylight> usage is heavy browsing, multimedia, light graphcis and wine applications
[17:05] <livingdaylight> everything but gaming, which I don't care for, which is why I'm letting my bulky desktop go
[17:05] <daftykins> i don't fancy the performance of those
[17:06] <livingdaylight> this mac mini is the latest version with i5 processor, 4gb ram and HD4000 graphics.
[17:06] <daftykins> HDD or SSD?
[17:07] <livingdaylight> not sure there
[17:07] <livingdaylight> would be cool if Ubuntu put some of these small machines in their shop too.
[17:07] <daftykins> *Canonical
[17:07] <livingdaylight> you know what I mean
[17:08] <daftykins> yeah, accuracy is nice though
[17:08] <daftykins> :>
[17:08] <daftykins> you can use the system profiler under utilities in OS X to check device info on the storage
[17:09] <livingdaylight> first time I've had an Apple; not impressed at all, very gnomish though :>
[17:09] <daftykins> window management is pretty shocking in OS X
[17:09] <livingdaylight> yes - indeed
[17:09] <daftykins> do you not have a free upgrade to mountain lion also?
[17:10] <livingdaylight> I already have lion osx as I said
[17:10] <daftykins> lion != mountain lion
[17:10] <daftykins> two separate releases
[17:10] <livingdaylight> oh, dn't know about mountain lion
[17:10] <livingdaylight> they released another one already?
[17:11] <livingdaylight> so, its 500gb HDD
[17:12] <daftykins> quite some time ago, yeah
[17:12] <daftykins> Mavericks is the new one that's either out now or coming soon
[17:12] <daftykins> mmm, nasty. mechanical is painful now :)
[17:12] <daftykins> an i5 should be a nice speedy unit
[17:12] <daftykins> maybe check the app store and see if it's offering you mountain lion?
[17:12] <livingdaylight> that's what I thought/expected
[17:13] <livingdaylight> oh, yea. £13.99 :)
[17:14] <livingdaylight> I've had update alerts but not upgrade alerts
[17:14] <livingdaylight> Linux is sooo much nicer ^
[17:14] <Azelphur> dunno if people noticed this already, but https://www.privacynotprism.org.uk/ should be interesting to most people here
[17:16] <livingdaylight> Azelphur: yes, I donated £1 to the cause today. Not much, I know, but if everyone did? Worthy cause imo
[17:16] <Azelphur> indeed
[17:16] <Azelphur> I'm game for that, I'll do the same
[17:17] <diddledan> if the government has been snooping then they already know I'm a sick pervert. there's nothing new they can find out about me that they won't have already seen
[17:17] <livingdaylight> I'd love to see them take uk government to the european courts of Human Rights?
[17:18] <diddledan> friday.. pizza
[17:18]  * diddledan wanders off to turn teh ovens on
[17:19] <livingdaylight> did you see Kirsty Wark make a fool of herself on Newsnight yesterday? speaking with Glenn Greenwal who reminded her what journalism is about
[17:19] <diddledan> o_O
[17:19] <diddledan> no
[17:20] <diddledan> what is journalism about according to Glenn?
[17:20] <livingdaylight> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-moGtQFvsVU He was so sharp and on the ball
[17:22] <livingdaylight> shouldn't journalism be about truth?
[17:23] <livingdaylight> protecting democracy, holding power to account?
[17:28] <daftykins> doesn't sound like Ubuntu :(
[17:43] <diddledan> so baroness what's her face says the russians can decrypt 4096bit (probably) RSA
[17:44] <diddledan> although glenn said ~4000 characters which may mean 8*4096bit
[17:44] <diddledan> but the russians are "very sophisticated"
[17:45] <diddledan> so it's obvious they can read stuff the NSA and GCHQ think is secure
[17:46] <diddledan> (the affidavit glenn mentioned early on about his partner's arrest suggests that the NSA managed to reconstitute 70 documents off an encrypted device he was carrying. which means the NSA can't do it, but the russians can?)
[17:58] <ali1234> diddledan: what?
[17:59] <diddledan> ali1234: the newsnight video that livingdaylight posted
[18:00] <ali1234> there are multiple different types of RSA
[18:00] <diddledan> oh did I get confused
[18:00] <ali1234> "4000 characters" doesn't really make a lot of sense though
[18:00] <ali1234> sounds to me a lot like everyone involved has no idea what they are talking about
[18:00] <diddledan> I don't know much about encryption other than "moar bits please" :-p
[18:01] <ali1234> yeah that doesn't actually make sense
[18:01] <diddledan> 4096 keys are still fairly rare afaik
[18:01] <diddledan> bit*
[18:01] <diddledan> most ssl servers use 1024 and the more forward thinking admin sets them to use 2048
[18:01] <ali1234> 1024 bits is enough that it cannot be brute-forced with a computer the size of the universe, running since the beginning of the universe
[18:02] <gordonjcp> ali1234: ... this month
[18:02] <diddledan> until quantum computing becomes a reality, at any rate
[18:02] <daftykins> all the things all the time \o/
[18:02] <ali1234> if*
[18:02] <diddledan> someone has actually built a 4(?) qubit supercomputer in a lab
[18:03] <diddledan> and it works
[18:03] <diddledan> might be 3
[18:03] <diddledan> I forget
[18:03] <ali1234> there is a problem with some newer variants on RSA though
[18:03] <diddledan> there was a documentary a while back that featured it
[18:04] <diddledan> yeah I've been hearing about potential flaws in RSA
[18:04] <diddledan> or rather specific variants
[18:04] <ali1234> basically the point is that unless people are very specific about what they are saying... it is meaningless
[18:04] <diddledan> again I forget the specifics but SSL servers out of the box allow the use of some of the flawed varieties
[18:05] <ali1234> it might as well be holywood hacker speak
[18:05] <diddledan> some**
[18:05] <diddledan> ali1234: hey, there's a place for hollywood hacker speak - makes me giggle
[18:05] <diddledan> and mutter to myself and anyone who'll listen "how little they know.. *laugh*"
[18:07] <diddledan> speaking of which. trinity actually (simulated) used a real-life bona-fide exploit (or maybe a mockup of the exploit in action) that average joe was able to do on an SSH server when she hacked into the city's power grid
[18:08] <diddledan> well.. at least it _looked_ like it was the real-life exploit software
[18:08] <ali1234> which makes no sense
[18:08] <ali1234> they can manipulate the matrix to create guns out of thin air
[18:08] <ali1234> but if they want to hack a computer system... they must work inside the rules of the simulation. wat?
[18:08] <diddledan> lol
[21:05] <daftykins> latest South Park involves US cable companies and Minecraft XD
[21:40] <popey> nearly bought GTA again today!
[21:41] <daftykins> :D
[21:41] <daftykins> popey: it is your DEStiny
[21:42] <daftykins> perhaps if i bore you with more talk of it you'll give in? :)
[21:46] <popey> haha
[21:46] <shauno> it'll be interesting to hear your opinion once you finally buy it.  eg, whether tantric GTA actually works
[21:54] <popey> ☻