| nhaines | jono: holy wow did Karma Machine deserve to win the App Showdown contest. *Or*, I may just be addicted to Reddit. | 00:24 |
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| jono | nhaines, pretty cool, eh? | 00:24 |
| nhaines | jono: it's the first time I haven't gotten itchy with Ubuntu on my phone instead of Android. :) | 00:24 |
| nhaines | Speaking of, how do I get Karma Machine onto my desktop? | 00:25 |
| jono | nhaines, currently you need to manually install the click | 00:25 |
| jono | that is something we want to fix to a degree soon | 00:25 |
| nhaines | Although I totally see that being planned for 14.04 LTS, I also think developers got ahead of that one, because there are some nice desktop designs. I love the weather app on my desktop. :) | 00:26 |
| nhaines | So where do I grab the click? | 00:26 |
| jono | nhaines, I am not sure - currently there is not a good place to expose where the click is | 00:26 |
| jono | part of the challenge is that without Mir the click has a security issue with X keyboard sniffing | 00:26 |
| jono | and would still need to be run under confinement | 00:27 |
| nhaines | I will abuse the fact that my phone is running Ubuntu to steal the files from my phone. | 00:27 |
| jono | which is what we need to figure out | 00:27 |
| jono | :-) | 00:27 |
| nhaines | Hmm, interesting. | 00:27 |
| nhaines | Good to know there's a good reason! Because some of these apps are nice on the desktop. :) | 00:27 |
| nhaines | Honestly, when you told me at SCALE that the phone roadmap looked "aggressive", I was pretty skeptical. | 00:28 |
| nhaines | There's some important stuff missing but in a "platform preview" way Ubuntu 13.10 on phones is really solid. | 00:28 |
| jono | nhaines, thanks | 00:28 |
| jono | yeah, we are making good progress | 00:28 |
| jono | I think a lot of people don't realize how radically improved the app dev story is | 00:29 |
| nhaines | Speaking of, Jono, is there a separate name for Ubuntu on phones, or how is that going to be branded? | 00:29 |
| jono | we ripped apart the whole thing and re-built it | 00:29 |
| jono | nhaines, it is all Ubuntu | 00:29 |
| nhaines | jono: I ask because I am doing my best to pitch articles. :) | 00:29 |
| jono | nhaines, cool :-) | 00:30 |
| nhaines | I think Click packaging was deceptive. It really did look like "oh great, Canonical's reinventing another wheel." I don't think people got the "this is a lightweight no-dependency delivery system." | 00:31 |
| nhaines | I have no idea how it looks on the backend (the developer.ubuntu.com server and publishing systems) but on the phone now that it's working, it's very nice. | 00:31 |
| nhaines | It's twice as fast as USC should be. :P | 00:31 |
| jono | nhaines, yeah, it is a lot easier for reviewing apps | 00:32 |
| jono | a combo of click and app confinement | 00:32 |
| jono | app reviews take minutes instead of weeks now | 00:32 |
| nhaines | I will continue to figure out who to harass that Python isn't supported by the Ubuntu SDK, although they even got that half working. | 00:32 |
| jono | nhaines, Python doesn't scale to devices | 00:34 |
| jono | unfortunately | 00:34 |
| jono | I love Python | 00:34 |
| jono | but QML is really nice and lightweight :-) | 00:34 |
| nhaines | Even if I believed that (have to see it to believe it :)) there's the desktop story. :) | 00:35 |
| nhaines | It's clear I need to wrap my head around javascript. | 00:35 |
| nhaines | Now if the online accounts story could make sense on the phone and if there was Ubuntu One sync support, the phone would be pretty much ready. | 00:36 |
| nhaines | Also if Google wouldn't stop making and selling supported devices. | 00:36 |
| nhaines | It's a shame Mir didn't hit Ubuntu Desktop 13.10. :( | 00:37 |
| nhaines | Ubuntu for phones even has MTP support, which is also working on Ubuntu for once (good for Android, good for Ubuntu). So it's super easy to add files now. :) | 00:41 |
| nhaines | I assume email will be around for 14.04 LTS, so if Google makes a Navigation client and an Ingress client, I'm done with Android. :P | 00:42 |
| nhaines | pleia2: did you tell your employer that you're flashing all their phones with Ubuntu yet, or are you going to keep it a surprise? | 00:46 |
| jono | nhaines, :-) | 00:53 |
| jono | gotta run | 00:53 |
| jono | baby time! | 00:53 |
| nhaines | jono: go spend time with that baby! :D | 01:00 |
| Torikun_ | yo | 01:11 |
| pleia2 | nhaines: haha | 17:55 |
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