[00:24] <nhaines> jono: holy wow did Karma Machine deserve to win the App Showdown contest.  *Or*, I may just be addicted to Reddit.
[00:24] <jono> nhaines, pretty cool, eh?
[00:24] <nhaines> jono: it's the first time I haven't gotten itchy with Ubuntu on my phone instead of Android.  :)
[00:25] <nhaines> Speaking of, how do I get Karma Machine onto my desktop?
[00:25] <jono> nhaines, currently you need to manually install the click
[00:25] <jono> that is something we want to fix to a degree soon
[00:26] <nhaines> Although I totally see that being planned for 14.04 LTS, I also think developers got ahead of that one, because there are some nice desktop designs.  I love the weather app on my desktop.  :)
[00:26] <nhaines> So where do I grab the click?
[00:26] <jono> nhaines, I am not sure - currently there is not a good place to expose where the click is
[00:26] <jono> part of the challenge is that without Mir the click has a security issue with X keyboard sniffing
[00:27] <jono> and would still need to be run under confinement
[00:27] <nhaines> I will abuse the fact that my phone is running Ubuntu to steal the files from my phone.
[00:27] <jono> which is what we need to figure out
[00:27] <jono> :-)
[00:27] <nhaines> Hmm, interesting.
[00:27] <nhaines> Good to know there's a good reason!  Because some of these apps are nice on the desktop.  :)
[00:28] <nhaines> Honestly, when you told me at SCALE that the phone roadmap looked "aggressive", I was pretty skeptical.
[00:28] <nhaines> There's some important stuff missing but in a "platform preview" way Ubuntu 13.10 on phones is really solid.
[00:28] <jono> nhaines, thanks
[00:28] <jono> yeah, we are making good progress
[00:29] <jono> I think a lot of people don't realize how radically improved the app dev story is
[00:29] <nhaines> Speaking of, Jono, is there a separate name for Ubuntu on phones, or how is that going to be branded?
[00:29] <jono> we ripped apart the whole thing and re-built it
[00:29] <jono> nhaines, it is all Ubuntu
[00:29] <nhaines> jono: I ask because I am doing my best to pitch articles.  :)
[00:30] <jono> nhaines, cool :-)
[00:31] <nhaines> I think Click packaging was deceptive.  It really did look like "oh great, Canonical's reinventing another wheel."  I don't think people got the "this is a lightweight no-dependency delivery system."
[00:31] <nhaines> I have no idea how it looks on the backend (the developer.ubuntu.com server and publishing systems) but on the phone now that it's working, it's very nice.
[00:31] <nhaines> It's twice as fast as USC should be.  :P
[00:32] <jono> nhaines, yeah, it is a lot easier for reviewing apps
[00:32] <jono> a combo of click and app confinement
[00:32] <jono> app reviews take minutes instead of weeks now
[00:32] <nhaines> I will continue to figure out who to harass that Python isn't supported by the Ubuntu SDK, although they even got that half working.
[00:34] <jono> nhaines, Python doesn't scale to devices
[00:34] <jono> unfortunately
[00:34] <jono> I love Python
[00:34] <jono> but QML is really nice and lightweight :-)
[00:35] <nhaines> Even if I believed that (have to see it to believe it :)) there's the desktop story.  :)
[00:35] <nhaines> It's clear I need to wrap my head around javascript.
[00:36] <nhaines> Now if the online accounts story could make sense on the phone and if there was Ubuntu One sync support, the phone would be pretty much ready.
[00:36] <nhaines> Also if Google wouldn't stop making and selling supported devices.
[00:37] <nhaines> It's a shame Mir didn't hit Ubuntu Desktop 13.10.  :(
[00:41] <nhaines> Ubuntu for phones even has MTP support, which is also working on Ubuntu for once (good for Android, good for Ubuntu).  So it's super easy to add files now.  :)
[00:42] <nhaines> I assume email will be around for 14.04 LTS, so if Google makes a Navigation client and an Ingress client, I'm done with Android.  :P
[00:46] <nhaines> pleia2: did you tell your employer that you're flashing all their phones with Ubuntu yet, or are you going to keep it a surprise?
[00:53] <jono> nhaines, :-)
[00:53] <jono> gotta run
[00:53] <jono> baby time!
[01:00] <nhaines> jono: go spend time with that baby!  :D
[01:11] <Torikun_> yo
[17:55] <pleia2> nhaines: haha