[00:05] <ochosi> brainwash: probably not for 13.10, but for 14.04 we could do it
[01:38] <bluesabre> ali1234: sometimes it takes a few seconds to change the track
[01:38] <bluesabre> let me know if it never changes
[09:36] <pmjdebruijn> hi folks, I'm running Xubuntu Saucy on my netbook, and I changed my mouse pointer to the black set
[09:36] <pmjdebruijn> however now it's only black some apps
[09:36]  * pmjdebruijn wonders if it's a GTK2/GTK3 thing?
[11:25] <brainwash> ochosi: do you keep track of these suggestions or should I file a bug report (git or lp)?
[11:29] <knome> what suggestion?
[11:33] <brainwash> one of the was to remove the steppers (arrows) from the scrollbars
[11:33] <brainwash> (greybird)
[11:34] <brainwash> because firefox and libreoffice still show them
[11:38] <knome> the problem?
[11:39] <knome> i mean, i don't mind that... and i don't think it's too different/noticeable
[11:39] <brainwash> according to ochosi removing the steppers used to glitch the scrollbars on some websites (they appeared to be twice as big)
[11:40] <knome> that too
[11:40] <knome> if removing them brings more bugs... meg
[11:40] <knome> *meh
[11:40] <brainwash> I can't reproduce it
[11:41] <brainwash> so we need to find a website which is actually affected
[11:41] <knome> maybe that should be investigated then
[11:41] <brainwash> if any at all
[11:42] <brainwash> google reader was affected at some point.. but google disabled this service
[11:45] <brainwash> I'll file a bug report, so we can keep track of this issue
[11:48] <knome> yep, that's always good
[13:49] <sheldoraaaa> is there any hardware identify software?
[13:59] <pmjdebruijn> sheldoraaaa: lshw ?
[13:59] <pmjdebruijn> that's a console/terminal too though, but it does the job
[14:00] <pmjdebruijn> ah wait, lshw-gtk is a gui frontend
[14:39] <ochosi> brainwash: yeah, reporting a bug is a good idea to keep it on the radar
[14:41] <brainwash> ochosi: ok, and here's some more information regarding the appfinder: kill any running instance of xfce4-appfinder/xfrun4, rename your xfce4-appfinder.xml config and now start the appfinder
[14:41] <brainwash> it should start without delay
[14:43] <ochosi> aha, weird
[14:43] <ochosi> so it doesn't affect everyone, it's an upgrade issue
[14:43] <brainwash> only people who opened the settings dialog
[14:44] <brainwash> otherwise it won't create a user-specific config file I guess
[14:45] <brainwash> bug 1048805
[14:45] <brainwash> I'm still trying to understand how the whole appfinder works
[14:45] <ochosi> hm, no
[14:46] <ochosi> still launches slowly here
[14:46] <brainwash> killall -9 xfce4-appfinder?
[14:47] <brainwash> and maybe xfrun4
[14:49] <brainwash> ok, can't reproduce it on my vm
[14:50] <ochosi> still takes 5secs and i get that dbus error
[14:50] <brainwash> maybe it's the format of the xml file or xfsettingsd after all
[14:50] <brainwash> this is so odd
[14:51] <brainwash> ehm, xfconfd
[14:53] <brainwash> ah, time to fetch the latest updates
[14:53] <brainwash> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gvfs/1.18.2-0ubuntu1
[14:54] <brainwash> ochosi: should we add this appfinder madness to the 13.10 blue print?
[14:54] <ochosi> can anyone apart from the two of us reproduce it?
[14:55] <brainwash> and the people from the bug report
[14:56] <ochosi> right, but it doesn't seem to be 13.10 specific
[14:56] <ochosi> it's just a random (annoying) bug, that pops up for some people
[14:56] <ochosi> so, technically it's not aregression
[14:56] <brainwash> 13.04 support is ending soon anyway :P
[14:57] <brainwash> oh, 12.10 should be affected too
[14:58] <ochosi> yeah, it's a long-standing issue 
[14:58] <ochosi> but by far not everyone is affected by it
[14:59] <brainwash> yea, if you don't care about changing the appfinder settings, you won't be affected I think
[14:59] <ochosi> well that didn't fix things for me
[14:59] <ochosi> so i
[14:59] <ochosi> m not sure that's really what's going on
[15:00] <brainwash> I'll find the culprit, wouldn't be the first time :)
[15:07] <ochosi> sounds good :)
[15:07] <ochosi> (and would certainly be good to get that issue resolved once and for all)
[15:35] <ochosi> Numix and Bluebird should work now with the Gtk3 indicators
[15:35] <ochosi> Orion and Albatross to go...
[15:40] <ochosi> jjfrv8: hey, just quickly wanted to ask whether the parole docs are still on your agenda (no biggie if not, but we'd ask around in that case)
[15:51] <brainwash> ochosi: is the gtk3 panel/indicator plugin available via ppa?
[15:51] <ochosi> not yet
[15:52] <brainwash> ok
[15:52] <ochosi> afaik micahg will put it in a PPA asap for testing
[15:52] <ochosi> or maybe bluesabre will do it, not sure
[18:14] <ali1234> ochosi: i could put it in a ppa if i knew how to update the packages to git versions
[19:48] <knome> ochosi, micahg probably is going to do that, but if bluesabre can do it so we can test it, that would be wonderful as well.
[23:04] <brainwash> ochosi: does the appfinder fail to popup when you first start it / press the kb shortcut?
[23:07] <brainwash> after a fresh boot or relog (or after killing any existing appfinder process)
[23:50] <brainwash> can anyone else confirm the delayed start of xfce4-appfinder (alt+F2)?
[23:51] <Noskcaj> brainwash, it only takes s second to open for me
[23:51] <brainwash> s? :) 
[23:51] <slickymaster> hi brainwash in my 13.04 xubuntu box it starts immediately  without any sort of delayed
[23:51] <slickymaster> delay
[23:52] <slickymaster> Noskcaj, hi o/
[23:52] <Noskcaj> brainwash, 1
[23:52] <Noskcaj> oops
[23:52] <Noskcaj> hey slickymaster 
[23:53] <slickymaster> Noskcaj, hope everything is good with you
[23:53] <brainwash> it's hard to reproduce this issue, I can't force the delay on a fresh installation of xubuntu by changing configs, killing xfce processes,..
[23:55] <brainwash> between, gvfs has been updated, so thunar shouldn't freeze anymore when emptying the trash, browsing network shares, enabling tree view,...