[00:16] ciao [01:01] usually when i want to share a folder i right click on it, select properties and there is a sharing tab. i just installed 13.04 on a new machine and there is no option to share. i have installed samba and system-config-samba. what am I missing? [01:07] i added a share in the samba GUI in launcher -> System -> Samba but I cant push files into the folder from a windows machine. i get a permission denied error. (shared the public folder in my home folder to anyone with read/write control) === bazhang_ is now known as bazhang === Malsasa_ is now known as Malsasa [02:55] hello folks! [02:56] I've got some trouble, I messaged the fine folks at #xfce, but it might be more of a xubuntu problem [02:56] I've got two themes that seem to want to battle it out for control of my desktop [02:56] one handles windows, and the other handles the panel [02:57] any suggestions on how to fix this? Should I nuke my ~/.config folder? [02:57] lol, never heard of a battle royal between a window manager theme and a panel theme [02:58] It's quite exciting [02:58] One is "Appearance" and the other is in "Window Manager"? [02:58] they're holding knives to eachother's digital throats /s [02:58] what is it doing? [02:58] Unit193: Bingo. [02:58] HonestAbe: My other option was see if Germany or Russia win. ;P [02:59] hmmm [02:59] that seems like the more entertaining of the two options [02:59] but alas, this is absolutely infuriating [02:59] what is the appearance theme and the wm theme? [02:59] actually, it's ignoring the appearance theme [03:00] and where are they clashing? [03:00] oh [03:00] well, the top border changes [03:00] (not sure as to the precise terminology) [03:00] but everything else remains windows 98 [03:00] the top border of the window? [03:00] yes [03:01] xfce4-panel also gives no fucks [03:01] ok, so it sounds like the wm theme isdoing it's job [03:01] ok [03:01] if the appearance theme isn't changing the panels, maybe the appearance theme isn't an appearance theme at all [03:01] ok [03:02] how do i destroy this appearance imposter? [03:02] and will I need silvered weapons? [03:02] a theme folder has to have other folders in it that are dedicated to changing the wm or the appearance [03:02] theme folders with xfwm4 folders in it affect the wm [03:03] appearance theme folders will have gtk2 or metacity theme folders [03:03] some themes have both, to change both [03:03] ok, none of them are working through the appearance picker [03:03] oh.... that is odd [03:04] and the panel, still giving no fucks [03:04] is the panel set to use the appearance style, or are they set to custom? [03:05] use system style [03:05] right click on a panel, mouse over panel and click panel preferences [03:05] i just nuked my panel prefs [03:05] oh, ok [03:05] hmm... I never had this prob before. [03:05] i'm about to nuke my entire .config folder [03:05] and see if that does it [03:05] was it always that way, or was it after an update? [03:05] not even after an update [03:05] just after a reboot one day [03:06] maybe an update? I don't know. I'm a terrible person and I don't pay attention. [03:06] if I didn't know better, I'd swear you needed to reinstall xfce-panel [03:06] weeeeell [03:06] it's not just eh panel, remember [03:06] *the [03:06] *xfce4-panel [03:07] it's also everything theme based that isn't the top border [03:07] If the wm themes are working, then I would look into the panel component first [03:07] hrmmm [03:07] ok [03:07] did you try other wm themes? [03:07] i'll try it and report back [03:07] every wm theme [03:07] and they work? [03:08] just the top border [03:08] nothing else is affected [03:08] no fonts [03:08] no buttons [03:08] that's all that they are for [03:08] the window borders [03:08] and the top [03:08] really? [03:08] wow, color me ignorant [03:08] yup [03:08] thought they handled the menu bars as well [03:08] so, diagnose the panel component [03:08] ok [03:09] i shall reinstall that and report back [03:09] k [03:12] oh my [03:13] it's so angry [03:13] it's come back from the abyss stronger than ever. [03:13] that is to say, the panel remains unfazed [03:13] and unchanged [03:13] i'm going to try nuking .configg [03:14] *.config [03:14] hmmm [03:14] and see what happens [03:14] ok [03:14] wait [03:14] the folder? [03:14] yes [03:14] brb [03:14] *be right back. [03:14] but, doesn't it have other config files for other things? [03:14] hmmm oh well [03:19] any luck? [03:19] no [03:19] but something similar has happened before [03:19] and this fixed it [03:20] but it had to restart a second time(i'm not sure why) [03:20] so, I'll restart again, but to answer your question earlier [03:20] yes, there is other stuff there, but nothing of value [03:20] to me at least. [03:21] k [03:22] I wish I could be more helpful. I never had that problem before [03:22] it's totally fine [03:22] it's a bizarre problem. [03:22] this time though, the theme changed on restart [03:22] so, no more windows 98 [03:22] but it still doesn't change within the menu [03:23] hmmm [03:23] restarting [03:23] but ponder that [03:23] deeply. [03:28] had any epiphanies? [03:28] no :( [03:28] dang. [03:28] what version of xubuntu are you using? [03:29] 12.10 apparently [03:29] hmm [03:30] could be a good excuse to back up your data and do a clean install of 13.04 [03:30] :) [03:30] arrrrgh [03:30] it totally could be [03:30] but that is the last thing i want to do tonight [03:31] because it's either software related, or your filesystem took a dump [03:31] either way, a fresh something is in order. [03:31] then do it tommorow [03:32] I'm going away for the weekend [03:32] i have to do it on monday or tuesday [03:32] probably tuesday [03:32] ah. :( [03:32] id say use 12.04.3 [03:32] Whatever you decide yo use, I wish you luck with it. [03:33] totally not looking forward to that [03:33] think of it as a good reason to unplug for a bit [03:33] we all need to unplug now and then [03:33] it's not the unplugging [03:34] it's the drivers [03:34] broadcom wifi? [03:34] nvidia card [03:34] meh... jockey can handle the driver aspect. [03:34] ethernet connection for the win [03:34] oh... the wifi is nvidia? [03:35] err [03:35] no [03:35] graphics card is [03:35] i don't even use wifi is what i was saying [03:35] ah, ok. Was about to give you that puzzled look [03:35] yeah [03:35] that would have been bizarre [03:35] it has been done [03:35] more bizarre than any problems i'd have had tonight [03:36] so, this is a desktop on an ethernet connection? [03:36] yes [03:36] well, if the video drivers are the hardest part, I'd say you're golden. Unless you have an interesting gpu [03:36] nah [03:36] nothing that interesting [03:37] i should probably switch to a distro with eyecandy [03:37] but goddamnit, i like xubuntu [03:37] lol [03:37] I could have a modern quad core with any gtx model nvidia, and I would still use xfce [03:37] ^ [03:37] that's what I have [03:38] I think eye candy looks plain ugly. [03:38] also ^ [03:38] simplicity is beauty [03:38] I like simple clean stuff, and square corners [03:38] closest thing I have to eyecandy is xfce with plank. [03:38] and a nice theme [03:39] preferably dark [03:39] hmm, if i'm going to do a clean install [03:39] anyone know of any modern/updated equivalents to gnomedo? [03:39] might do away with panels completely [03:40] anything with just openbox. lol [03:42] if your savvy with conky, you could eliminate panels that way [03:42] then just have a right click menu [03:42] maybe a dock [03:42] have to seen gnomedo? [03:43] never heard of it [03:43] it was awesome [03:43] last updated in 2009 though [03:44] super+ brought up a box with which you could go to directories/programs/wherever the imagination fancied [03:44] updated 2012 [03:44] heeey, their homepage lies [03:45] http://do.cooperteam.net/ [03:45] oh, project news. Wow, I'm retarded. [03:49] offhand, how do you make a function in bash? [03:49] *define a function [03:50] I dunno [03:50] not that savvy [04:25] 31 turns down... [04:25] *pause for soldering iron to heat up* [04:27] wrong channel, whoops [07:48] xfce4 users, what does your xfce4-terminal report $COLORTERM as? [07:49] command not found [07:50] cfhowlett: you have to use "echo $COLORTERM" [07:55] Hi all! [07:55] I've just installed xubuntu 13.04 [07:55] and I can't find msmtp [07:56] do you know wht? [07:56] !info msmtp [07:56] msmtp (source: msmtp): light SMTP client with support for server profiles. In component universe, is extra. Version 1.4.30-1 (raring), package size 112 kB, installed size 292 kB [07:56] !info msmtp-gnome [07:56] msmtp-gnome (source: msmtp): light SMTP client with support for server profiles - with GNOME keyring support. In component universe, is extra. Version 1.4.30-1 (raring), package size 45 kB, installed size 137 kB [07:56] vdonnefort, in other words you have to manually install it [07:56] excalibr: xfce4-terminal [07:59] cfhowlett: though I have standard repo into sources.list? Why It doesn't appear? [07:59] mtmtp is a gnome app and xubuntu is XFCE so ... [08:00] or is it? [08:00] maybe I misspoke [08:00] anyway, easy enough to install: sudo apt-get install msmtp* [08:01] Unit193: thank you! [08:01] cfhowlett: that's my problem: "apt-cache search msmtp: nothin!" :) [08:01] Might want to drop that asterisk.. [08:01] vdonnefort: It's in universe. [08:02] vdonnefort, so you must enable the universe repository [08:02] Have you updated sources recently? [08:02] ooooh thanks, I have to add universe repo [08:02] Unit193: yes just before trying apt-cache search [08:05] Thought universe was default, not sure about multiverse. [08:06] do you know why this repo has been removed into xubuntu? Thank you for your help! Unit193 & cfhowlett [08:07] !universe [08:07] The packages in Ubuntu are divided into several sections. More information at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories - See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecommendedSources for the recommended way to set up your repositories. [08:07] Meh. [08:30] Hello everybody, I do wonder if the AMD Drivers (using Xubuntu 13.04 and gonna install AMD Drivers 13.4), are they the same as regular Ubuntu? [08:30] User66: yes they are [08:31] janeks991: stop it pls [08:31] baizon: Thanks, I do wonder somehing more due... When I "sucessfully" installed previously I got to the login (when rebooted) but I could not log in [08:31] Is that normal? [08:31] Janeks991, please remove your other clients from the channel; you have 6 === Soul-Sing is now known as soulzing === soulzing is now known as soulzin- === soulzin- is now known as Soul-Sing [09:40] hey, after upgrading to 13.04 I'm unable to set keyboard shortcuts in xfce4-terminal [09:41] like. I do want to have crtl+c and crtl+shift+c functionality swapped [09:47] I'm the only have problem installing Steam (sudo dpkg -i steam_latest.deb) [09:47] Error: dpkg: error processing steam-launcher (--install): dependency problems - leaving unconfigured [09:49] Fixed :=) [09:50] All thourgh, I have gotten a black screen while trying to install AMD Drivers (13.4) second time, can't do anything and I need to format [09:51] I can fill upp information if somebody would answear... [09:51] !patience|Nein9999 [09:51] Nein9999: Don't feel ignored and repeat your question quickly; if nobody knows your answer, nobody will answer you. While you wait, try searching https://help.ubuntu.com/ or http://ubuntuforums.org/ or http://askubuntu.com/ [09:52] ubottu: Thanks I will search more (thanks for links), all due it's VERY hard to do anything when you can't even installl GPU drivers... [09:52] Nein9999: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :) [09:53] and I got owend... [09:53] Well played [09:59] jglauche, open the menu, hover over the menu item you want to change the shortcut for and press the new shortcut key [10:00] jglauche, if that doesn't work, go go settings manager -> appearance -> settings and check 'enable editable accelerators', then try again [10:13] knome: I don't want to set a menu item, I want to edit my shortcuts inside the terminal window [10:14] knome: like ctrl+c should copy, ctrl+v should paste (instead crtl+shift+key) [10:14] knome: this menu doesn't exist anymore, apparently.. [10:19] jglauche, please read again what i said [10:19] jglauche, go to the edit menu, hover over "copy" and press ctrl+C [10:20] jglauche, that's the standard GTK+ way of editing shortcuts [10:20] oh. [10:20] yeah, that works well if the menu item is not set to disabled [10:21] well select some text... but you're correct, that's probably a bug. [10:21] did figure that out.. [10:21] jglauche, you could check if one exists, and if not, file one [10:22] so, ~$ ^C [10:22] err [10:22] I wonder how I can stop it from issuing a SIGINT when doign ctrl+c and not having a text selected [10:24] for that, you might need to do some xmodmap modifications [12:15] Hello, when I do sudo apt-get update and after upgrade I get three package how need to be updated, how do I download them? [12:15] "The following packages have been kept back: linux-generic linux-headers-generic linux-image-generic" [12:15] xubuntu718: sudo apt-get dist-upgrade [12:15] bgardiner: You are right Sir :D [13:15] I left my computer on all night last night again, and the same thing happened again; came back to black screen of total unresponsiveness [13:15] seriously, what's going on? [13:15] I can't for the life of me figure-out what's wrong!, I've checked all the settings and they appear to be pretty safe [13:16] I REALLY can't have this happening every night! 0_0 [13:16] it appears as-if my problem might be like this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xscreensaver/+bug/882251 [13:16] except I'm using Xubuntu 12.04.3, and it's happening in 'blank screen only mode', not 'random'. [13:16] Ubuntu bug 882251 in xscreensaver (Ubuntu) "Xubuntu default screen saver: random - permanently blanks screen" [Undecided,New] [13:16] also, this problem only seems to occur at night, when I leave it during the day, I come back and it's okay [13:37] RJ45: can you remotely log into the computer if that happens? [13:39] jglauche: IDK.. I doubt is, it's completely unresponsive by keyboard not even '[CTRL] + [ALT] + [F1/2/3...]', I could try installing SSH to try when it happens again [13:39] hi, what's the gtk theme used by default in 13.10 ? [13:40] RJ45: please do [13:41] RJ45: Have you tried the magic SysReq keystrokes? [13:41] jglauche: I'd set0up VNC too if it wasn't too buggy to keep running on Xubuntu :-/ [13:41] set-up* [13:41] buggy? [13:41] install x11vnc and you'll have a session of your current desktop [13:42] yeah, just randomly closes after a while of being launched from shell, and the applications menu icon shows-up a GUI that doesn't work, has settings that do nothing x_x [13:43] jglauche: lol, that's the one that's all screwy! XD [13:43] really? [13:43] yup [13:43] what happens? [13:43] look up o.o [13:43] yeah, just randomly closes after a while of being launched from shell, and the applications menu icon shows-up a GUI that doesn't work, has settings that do nothing x_x [13:44] uh [13:45] when I launch from command line, it does work, I have a nice VNC server ..for about 3 minutes :-/ [13:45] * jglauche is terrible at assimilating information today [13:45] how does it crash? segfault? [13:45] IDK... [13:45] I could try now I guess [13:46] it should output *something* on the command line [13:48] yo [13:48] sheldoraaaa: Hello [13:49] jglauche: yeah jus' tried, didn't work for long, it just froze-up on client side (client is usually fine with other servers), when it froze-up there was nothing unusual logged-out, and when I clicked disconnect on client side, the server exited. [13:49] hey anyone kno if is there any hardware identify software ? [13:50] RJ45: what you could try is having the server run over the night, but do not connect with a client. then if it freezes, try to connect and see if it's still there [13:50] also ssh into it while you do just to be sure [13:50] RJ45: Or try this next time you find it locked up: http://fosswire.com/post/2007/09/fix-a-frozen-system-with-the-magic-sysrq-keys/ [13:51] jglauche: wanna see the output?, I can paste-bin it [13:51] RJ45: not sure if it's useful if the client freezes [13:55] jglauche: http://pastebin.com/nTf6qZdq [13:56] jglauche: logged-into Pastebin, and created baste, just for you :3 [14:02] RJ45: nothing unusual, seems like the client is the problem [14:04] jglauche: nope, client is fine, never had a problem with Vino server on Ubuntu, and any other VNC, and I've used VNC with a-lot of stuff, including a Raspberry PI running Raspbian, and an android smartphone :D so safe to say, the client has been put through its paces. [14:05] client is 'Vinagre' [14:05] never tried [14:05] I'm using xvncviewer [14:05] anyways I gotta get-up and go somewhere now :-/ [14:05] c'ya [14:06] report back tomrrow if the computer crashed or your screen.. [14:06] yeah yeah, and I should have at-least SSH running smoothly by then, so I can try that thing :) [14:25] theadmin: thanks for the push. xubuntu has freed up my cores. [14:25] I can even watch vlc full screen now. [14:35] hohoho [14:36] Josh______: Couple months too early. [14:37] Wouldn't think it with the weather here, freezing cold, frost in the mornings, raining every day... Perfect excuse for me :) [14:37] Might be looking for some advice in the next few minutes, trying to get Xubuntu set up on a server, since the Ubuntu Server kernel kept crashing [14:39] Josh______: they both use the same kernel [14:42] They do, but there is something about the installer causing the kernel to crash [14:43] I'm not to most advanced kernel / bios / linux user in the world. In fact, I've barely touched on it, but the company is bringing in some servers so I'm hoping I can acquire the knowledge I need as I go along [15:01] Hi [15:01] I need some help installing drivers [15:21] Anyone know something similar to ethtool which is installed by default on xubuntu? [15:25] why not just install ethtool? [15:52] does gcc come with xubuntu by default? (from the install disk) [15:55] I think so. [15:56] how else are you going to compile [15:56] actually, that's silly. There are a number of compilers. [15:57] I didn't know because it was a binary distro. I was thinking that they might try and save space on the disk. [15:57] Since it's a dependency of build-essential I imagine it's on the disc [15:58] I know i have it on my work machine but it is connected to the internet where my home machine does not have internet atm. [15:59] But thank so you much for your guys help :D [16:14] is there an extra channel for saucy? [16:14] #ubuntu+1 [16:15] Hola Hi [16:15] so nothing xubuntu specific? [16:16] not that I know of. [16:16] kk, thx [16:27] kRush: #ubuntu+1 is a catch-all for all the distributions... Xubuntu, Lubuntu, Kubuntu, etc, so long as they are on Saucy === kj5t_ is now known as kj5t [18:55] hello, never done an upgrade before, but thought id try when 13.10 is available. what is the differences from reinstalling instead, what changes and what doesnt change? [19:01] like this from the beta announcement: "66A tool for changing your theme colors easily, gtk-theme-config, has been added to the default installation" . will that get installed when upgrading, and the new version of everything with all improvements/preinstalled apps/functions in new version? [19:04] It'll get pulled in with xubuntu-desktop, aye. [19:05] also, can stuff ive installed get removed? and reposes removed? [19:07] It'd only get removed if it conflicted or was dropped out of the repos, doesn't normally remove much/anything. Repos in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ get commented out, but easy enough to re-enable. [19:07] Depending on how you upgrade, it'll show you everything it's updating, installing, or removing. [19:32] can somebody help me some of my hardware is too new for the kernel so i can't operate xubuntu is there any solution? [19:33] the problems are that the graphical card and the wireless network card don't work like it should be. [19:37] xubuntu362: what hardware, and which version of xubuntu? [19:42] the latest version [19:42] graphic card and wireless network card [19:43] xubuntu362: which hardware vendor? [19:43] we need more details [19:44] the older versions 12 are running fine except the wireless card but they run the others don't [19:44] wireless ac 7260 intel [19:44] and nvidea graphic card [19:45] xubuntu362: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia [19:45] yeah but the installer won't drive either [19:46] xubuntu362: http://askubuntu.com/questions/322511/no-wireless-with-intel-centrino-advanced-n-7260 [19:47] when I want to install the newest version ( kernel ) the only thing I get is a black screen [19:47] after choosing start xubuntu [20:24] Hi. Is there a way to remove window decoration for any window? [20:24] (The title bar, basically.) [20:26] !info maximus [20:26] maximus (source: maximus): Automaximizing window management tool. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.4.14-3 (raring), package size 19 kB, installed size 97 kB [20:27] dunpeal: all windows, or a specific one? [20:27] Azelphur: a specific one. [20:27] devilspie then, maximus does all windows afaik [20:27] there's a frontend, gdevilspie, that's probably what you'll want to install [20:27] Azelphur: no way to just do it manually for one window? [20:28] dunpeal: oh, just as a one off? [20:28] devilspie is a persistent service [20:28] Azelphur: yeah, pretty much :) [20:28] devilspie is like rules, eg if I open XBMC, it takes the title bar off, that's what I use it for [20:28] ah, I think wmctrl can do it one off [20:28] cool, thanks. [20:28] dunpeal: it has a toggle fullscreen, but not a toggle decorated it seems [20:30] Azelphur: do you know if there's any tool that can customize the display icon of a process? [20:30] The icon displayed in the alt-tab application switcher? [20:30] dunpeal: that I doubt, that's set inside the application. [20:30] KDE/Qt can sometimes override it [20:30] dunpeal: I could probably make you a little python to do the decorations thing, if you wanted though [20:30] but I understand :) [20:31] Azelphur: thanks, but don't trouble yourself, I can do it myself. you were going to use wcnk? [20:31] dunpeal: indeed. [20:31] wnck* [20:31] Azelphur: do you have any idea if it's possible to maximize a window across more than one monitor? [20:32] dunpeal: absolutely, I do it all the time [20:32] I play WoW dual screen xD [20:32] I do it with devilspie just by setting the window size to the size of both of my monitors [20:32] and the location to 0,0 [20:33] cool. btw, looks like devilspie was abandoned, so are you using devilspie 2? [20:33] nope, I'm just using standard gdevilspie, it's still in the repos and works fine [20:33] didn't know there was a devilspie 2 :) [20:34] https://wiki.gnome.org/DevilsPie [20:34] Note that Devil's Pie isn't really maintained - you may be more interested in the successor project Devil's Pie 2. [20:34] cool :) [20:35] thanks a lot, you've been very helpful [20:35] np [20:35] I had a few other questions, not sure if I'm going overboard, but I'm an XFCE newbie [20:35] dunpeal: might wanna check out xdotool too, that has some related stuff that may be interested [20:36] for example, xfconf-query queries some kind of a database, but where is that database located? [20:36] e.g. when I use "$ xfconf-query -c xfce4-keyboard-shortcuts --create" [20:36] where on the disk is the new entry added? [20:36] dunpeal: ~/.config/xfce4/xfconf [20:36] I think [20:37] Azelphur: yup, it's in XML files there! thanks again. [20:37] yw :) [21:38] hi i have a problem installing on a power PC, if anyone would mind lending me a hand.... [21:39] !ppc [21:39] PowerPC. Formerly used by Apple for the Macintosh line of computers. Variants are now used in popular gaming consoles. PPC was a fully supported Ubuntu architecture up to and including edgy. It is now a community port, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PowerPCFAQ [22:51] !PPC [22:51] PowerPC. Formerly used by Apple for the Macintosh line of computers. Variants are now used in popular gaming consoles. PPC was a fully supported Ubuntu architecture up to and including edgy. It is now a community port, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PowerPCFAQ