=== darkness is now known as Guest11242 === kubuntu is now known as Guest4895 [04:06] What is the KDE equivalent to psensor/xsensors? [04:49] kristal: Widget? [05:00] Daskreech: Something with a chart would be nice. [05:01] Daskreech: the widget is half decent though [05:11] There is a chart one I think [05:12] kristal: try the system monitor widget [05:44] Found one/it, it'll do. [05:46] which is it? [05:46] DarthFrog: system monitor with the settings fiddled with a lot [05:49] * Daskreech waves his hands. I'm overhere :) [05:50] kristal: To tell the truth when I set itup I fiddled a lot to :) I might have it set up like you and just forgot I did all that [05:51] DarthFrog: Heh, that issue is a giant pain with servers... "why won't this new thing work, my old thing from 2 years ago does it" === amitjain is now known as amitjain__ [05:57] kristal: DarthFrog is going to be so confused when he gets off the evil lilly pad in the morning :) [05:58] Daskreech: I don't know why Quassel is picking him instead of you, I swear it picks actives over afkers [05:58] kristal: Well to be fair one of the things I like with LInux (it's actually annoying after a decade or so) is that if you set things up properly then it pretty much works forever [05:58] kristal: I think it does it alphabetically by default [05:59] Daskreech: (this time it did pick you, hmm) Ya Linux is like that, I've had Debian hit 1100 days [06:00] kristal: Well this computer ignoring when I was on Suse, I've upgraded it from Mandrake to Mandriva to Debian to [06:00] KDE4 has gotten quite stable, finally, so I've switched to it. [06:01] kubuntu to Fedora with the same home directory [06:01] ext3 home? [06:01] I just boot up and all my desktop is the same, all my files, preferences etc [06:01] yes [06:01] btrfs / [06:02] I was on KDE4 from Alpha 1 [06:02] Isn't btrfs kinda pointless for small applications. [06:02] cause I'm krazy :-D [06:02] I'm just playing with it [06:03] Although it sounds like btrfs will become the primary after ext4 [06:03] not likely in most big Linux Circles [06:03] it'll get there though [06:03] It's too tempting to resist [06:04] After some enterprise use it'll catch on a lot [06:04] but it's still got lots and lots of testing to catch on [06:04] MurderFS seems like it'd be a major FS one time lol [06:04] lol reiser [06:04] yeah something killed that .... [06:04] Some data is more important than women lol [06:07] much ado about forks [06:09] Ext has decades of tests and corner cases documented [06:09] btrfs still has a long way to go [06:09] Linus torvalds said he didn't like KDE because he couldn't stop fiddling with it lol [06:09] Funny he said he didn't like GNOME cause he couldn't fiddle with it. [06:10] That funny funny man [06:11] He ragequit to xfce and went back to gnome3 when it "became tolerable again" [06:11] once they put in ways to fiddle with it :) [06:12] I find it funny how KDE is the largest desktop but also the fastest... [06:12] Pretty sure it isn't [06:13] They have some desktops that barely scrape over the top of the desktop line that can beat it [06:13] but it's pretty fast [06:13] I benched it, it is, in fulscreen it's deferred so there's no 3d performance hit, qt apps are the fastest(no surprice) and gtk run near native speed [06:13] tried benching E ? [06:14] As for windowed 3d apps, with compo off it's tied with openbox, and with compo on it still beats unity/gnome [06:14] So it's the fastest complete desktop... Lubuntu is faster but you don't get much gain over all the features lost [06:15] Yeah complete desktop I don't think there is a comparison [06:16] which is funny because the Qt guys cry about how slow it is and how much it can be optimized [06:16] There's tons to improve but it mostly affects window drawing [06:17] Yeah kwin does a lot of work too [06:17] all des kinda suck when you're say, resizing [06:17] actual gui drawing will be simpler with wayland [06:17] gnome rushed to wayland... ehh... kinda broken... next release will be much better [06:18] Intel wants to go wayland over X/Mir [06:18] Wayland will probably run a lot of stuff [06:19] it's a more modern thought process for application handling [06:19] LXDE has merged with Razor-Qt, which lubuntu will become the little brother of kubuntu [06:19] 2 Qt ubuntu distros [06:19] though it does quite keep the robust network thought of the old server based X stuff [06:19] ubuntu itself is going qt too isn't it [06:20] I think lubuntu 14.10 will be qt with experimental in 14.04 [06:20] It's bordering there. THey have a lot of Qt stuff happening but some of the designers are very steeped in Gtk so that's going to be around for a bit [06:20] Where is that info on LXDE and Razor? [06:20] going from a messy C api to a weird C++ api isn't easy [06:20] It's like OpenGL and DIrectX [06:21] Yeah It's very different ways of thinking which prompts both sides to peek over the fence and laugh at the stupidity on the other side [06:22] "some data is more important than women"? [06:22] valorie: Reiser [06:23] valorie: Uhh... i'll just get you the link [06:23] I know the reference [06:23] what I don't know is why that is referred to as if it was funny [06:23] please keep in mind that this is a family-friendly channel [06:25] Who would have thought a FS could have so many distasteful jokes. [06:25] if a joke is "distasteful" please refrain from saying it here [06:26] Anyone notice sometimes dolphin takes a long time to open? It's usually instant... hmm [06:26] What version? [06:27] instant here.... [06:27] Qt: 4.8.4 KDE Development Platform: 4.11.2 Dolphin: 4.11.2 [06:28] Opens to ~ ? [06:28] same here [06:32] Interestingly, EVERY GTK FM is has a nasty bug that causes the FM to crash in 13.10 [06:32] gvfs hangs it up [06:32] Probably a lib bug [06:33] Yeah something like that or a Gtk bug [06:33] Ya it's a gnome project regression. [06:33] if it's just FM then it's probably a lib though [06:34] Currently every gtk FM in 13.10 has the bug... if there's trash in your trash, clock it and you crash (hey, that rhymes) [06:35] kristal: Do you have files with previews in your ~ ? Maybe it' remaking the thumbnails? [06:36] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/thunar/+bug/1231978 [06:36] Ubuntu bug 1231978 in thunar (Ubuntu) "Thunar 1.6.3 locks when browsing Trash with Xubuntu 13.10 Beta 2 and following dailies" [Undecided,Confirmed] [06:36] Daskreech: hmmm, yes I do, pdfs and large images [06:36] Might be it [06:37] Daskreech: I'll move those to where they should be and see :P [06:37] that's a very ungraceful way to say it doesn't like previews turned on, though [06:37] >CRASH< [06:37] valorie: Hmm? [06:38] It's odd though, it's usually instant, but sometimes it takes up to 30 seconds to open [06:38] if it is finding it too difficult to render the previews, it should just say something, not crash [06:38] no crashes, it just refuses to start for a little white [06:39] valorie: it's not. kristal was saying that Gtk File Managers crash [06:39] ok [06:39] dolphin is just being pokey for 30 seconds [06:39] well, them either [06:39] Which might mean that it's doing some thinking. The most intensive thing I could think of was rendering previews for thumbnails [06:40] I have a ton of mounted discs, do you think that might cause random slow starts? 20 volumes [06:40] That should be gone in the next KDE release though \o/ [06:40] thousands of files rendered instantly [06:40] That would do it as well. That's Nepomuk though [06:40] New thumbnailer? :o [06:40] (I think) [06:40] Yes and view renderer [06:40] nice [06:41] apparently a few photographers had some directories with 13,000 RAW image files [06:41] what about muon discovery, it's buggy as hell [06:41] and some 7,000 videos [06:41] etc. [06:41] Daskreech: I have my raws in folders of 2k images each :P [06:41] So now it can handle on the order of 70,000 files instantly [06:41] 2k because windows crashes sometimes :( [06:42] hrmm, archlinx/mint/opensuse all did not want to work with my vmware .. screen kept going blank. Tried kubuntu, boom.. flawless. GG [06:42] kristal: You aren't some photographers then :) [06:42] tapout: Hi-5! [06:42] o/ [06:42] tapout: There's a graphics driver bug affecting the GPUs many VMs emulate [06:42] kristal: It's still a baby application. File bugs and carry on [06:43] kristal, ahh weird [06:43] Cirrus, SiS, some old intel gpus [06:43] Basically pre OGL2 things noone uses anymore [06:43] But VMs use them [06:44] kubuntu and every other ubuntu, 13.10, won't work on some vms unless you set the graphics driver to vesa [06:45] Daskreech: FOr some reason discover come stock with kubuntu 13.10... man... it's not going to be finished in 2 weeks, they should hold back on it. [06:45] what is the winkey+enter ? shortcut for finding the interfaces plus adding an 's' on the console? :) [06:45] My keyboard doesn't have a window key... it predates winodws... [06:46] s [06:46] tapout: I'm not sure what's it doing for you. I don't think it's by default mapped to anything [06:47] almost like it's showing all the local mappings in /etc/hosts [06:47] tapout: that is one classic piece of hardware [06:47] Is there a bind to undecorate a window? i like using that to make my OGL windows naked [06:47] tapout: On on Konsole [06:47] Oh [06:47] ::1 fe00::0 ff00::0 ff02::1 ff02::2 ip5-allnodes ip6-allrouters ip6-localhost ip6-lcoalnet ip6-loopback ip6-mcastprefix localhost ubuntu [06:48] I would guess it's doing something with your history or clipboard [06:48] I'm getting the s here but ... oh wait shoot it's doing that now too [06:49] That's weird :) [06:49] ugh ipv6 addresses, i hate for formatting [06:49] Daskreech, weird eh? and it puts out a seperate 's' on a newline giving command not found [06:49] They are great once you learn them [06:49] not a big deal, i hit the combo by mistake [06:49] Yeah. It's not a bash thing [06:50] might be a konsole quirk. I'll ask [06:50] ask who? [06:50] Robert probably [06:50] KDE is made from the same guys that created Qt eh? something like that right? [06:51] No [06:51] Close relationship but not the same people [06:51] the qt universe is huge [06:51] Though close enough that people sit on both sides of the fences [06:52] the kubuntu people stripped all that privacy stuff from the ubuntu before adding the 'k' right ? :) [06:52] it's pretty neat [06:52] this loads sweet [06:52] I have to get used to all the different naming of apps.. K* [06:52] and some people drift from one side to the other but by no means can you presume that someone working on KDE is also working on Qt [06:52] Privacy stuff? [06:52] Whoo found it; in global keyboard shortcuts - kde component - kwin - hide window border [06:53] Lets you de-frame/undeorate a window [06:53] kristal, how did you get in there? [06:53] tapout: system settings [06:53] alt+f2 -> Global [06:53] oh i see [06:54] Such a useful bind it should be default to something [06:54] kristal: It's disorienting bind to have as a default to anything [06:55] i don't really see any difference other than the glow and the min/max/close [06:55] cntl+shift+h .. i hope it complains if you reassign a keycombo [06:55] with my bar set to autohide and that undecorate bind, i can run programs in "fillscreen" even if they don't support that [06:56] tapout: It's great for games [06:56] kristal: ah that's in alt+f3 as well [06:57] what games do you play with kubuntu? [06:57] tapout: a lot of steam ones, and wine runs a lot too [06:57] steam works ? [06:57] like, all windows games? [06:57] Skyrim/oblivion/fallout3/vegas [06:57] steam-linux has a small native game library [06:58] steam-in-wine has a ton of stuff [06:58] i figured wine was not good enough to support big games like.. BF3/bf4 ... starcraft and all that [06:58] BF3 does not work.... BF4 might [06:58] AMD will be releasing mantle drivers in the future for linux, or sut dropping specs [06:59] I miss the late nights playing... shoot it's not doom, what's that game where you hit those pads and it zoomed you through the air and you had rockets that would shoot on the ground near the guy [06:59] dammit, i can't remember.. brain fart. It was awesome [06:59] unreal? [06:59] quake? [06:59] quake! [06:59] yeah man, quake [07:00] quake is in muon, you can dl and play it, open arena [07:00] probably nobody in there tho [07:00] what is muon? I'm so new.. i gotta poke around.. sec [07:00] there still is sometimes lol [07:00] !muon [07:00] tapout: muon is a simple synaptic [07:00] Muon is the current Kubuntu package manager. Please see http://jontheechidna.wordpress.com/2010/07/05/introducing-qapt-and-the-muon-package-manager/ for an overview [07:00] alt+f2 ... moun came up with nothing :) [07:01] ahh i see [07:01] ahh [07:01] man i'm slow [07:01] moun lol [07:01] muon [07:01] tapout: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation. [07:01] how do you even say that ? mewww on ? [07:02] that's how I say it if that's what you are asking :) [07:02] Good morning. [07:02] Morning lordievader [07:03] mou-on [07:03] Names after the particle I assume [07:03] Hey Daskreech, how are you doing? [07:04] lordievader: I'm Good today :) [07:05] is the filter in muon tricky or something? Category = all, filter = qt [07:05] nothing [07:05] quake = nothing, but i see it listed in games [07:05] must be regexps? [07:05] that or tags [07:05] tapout: just select games and enter arena [07:05] Although i think quake aliaes to openarena [07:06] kristal, nothing comes up in the listen when i do a filter [07:06] so weird [07:06] i'll close it and reopen [07:06] now it's working [07:07] One of the best OSS games is OpenTTD, it's a AA-quality remake of TransportTycoon. [07:07] It's very niche though, you have to like more hardcore sim games. [07:08] i'm more of a multiplayer gamer.. i wanna go on and see other people.. I'll check out OpenTTD as well [07:08] KDE has some great mini games, like kpat(solitaire) and knetwalk(great pipe dream ish) [07:08] trying this quake /openarena to see how ti plays in my vmware [07:08] tapout: openttd is multiplayer too :P [07:08] i may be getting rid of windows 8 on my laptop if kubuntu will install (i haven't researched all that weird bios locking down BS i read about) [07:08] tapout: If you have 3d acceleration working it shoudl be fine [07:09] tapout: what laptop? [07:09] sec [07:10] If the livecd runs fine installing should be ok [07:11] s56cm-dh71-ca [07:11] >asus [07:11] should be fine [07:12] was one of the few that had the normal us keyboard.. i can't stand that in canada, almost 90% of the laptops have the french keyboard. I've nothing against french.. my family is french.. i just cant stand the enter key and the \ being jacked [07:12] go to hit enter, get \ [07:12] My ASUS N80 is old and runs ubuntu [07:12] tapout, kristal: I believe this is more a topic for #kubuntu-offtopic. [07:13] wow does work [07:14] lordievader, we're talking about installing kubuntu on my laptop... that's offtopic? sorry about that [07:14] lordievader: we're right on the edge of offtopic :P [07:15] tapout: Ah sorry, I mainly read the things about the games. [07:15] But carry on if it is about installing Kubuntu ;) [07:15] tapout: Anyways, I don't see any obvious reason why kubuntu wouldn't work on your laptop... media keys might not [07:16] I've got an empty SSD .. I'll toss that in and see. KDE seems amazing. I only installed it to get a local webserver setup and it's sweeter than I thought it would be [07:17] tapout: linux is silly fast on ssd [07:17] tapout: My kubunut install is 8GB with some stuff installed, so it's very ssd friendly space wise, my windows 7 is 17GB [07:18] kristal, i see that glow is a bit crazy eh.. i see why [07:19] tapout: You'll want this repo for the best possible graphics drivers http://www.ubuntuupdates.org/ppa/xorg-edgers [07:19] Also the wine repo https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-wine/+archive/ppa lets you run a ton of windows stuff. [07:21] tapout: You can disable that glow, settings, workspace, decorations, your current theme is oxygen i assume, you can customize it with configure [07:21] i just noticed that glow being so bright :) [07:21] KDE guys really need to turn down the glow... [07:22] added the edgers, adding the wine [07:22] tapout: wine 1.7 lets me run skyrim :) [07:22] that's unbelievable [07:23] A good open source game in in development http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/0_A.D._%28video_game%29 I'd keep an eye on that [07:23] yes, using Oxygen [07:25] no it's air, heh [07:25] I'll definitely eyeball that.. sounds awesome, my bros and I need a good new game [07:26] man i can't believe Qt Creator works flawlessly [07:27] tapout: Ya it's a good IDE, I prefer it over microsoft/apples.. and unlike theirs I can dev for all platforms with it [07:27] i may be done with windows [07:27] Although I program mosty in Kate... kde's default text editor is quite powerful [07:28] autocomplete, syntax highlight, abut all i need [07:28] Also a nice thing, kde's file manager, hit f4, bam, terminal cd'd to your location. [07:29] do you do much php? i was thinking of setting up xcache with kde/php/nginx so I could step-over php scripts as they run (not needed, just want to step over wordpress ) [07:29] tapout: I use Go nowadays instead of php, Go's qu bindinds with qt are still crude though. :( [07:32] kristal: You might want to try out Kdevelop, it uses a large part of Kate for the editor. [07:32] lordievader: saw that, need to try it [07:32] wow [07:32] f4 is sweet with dolphin [07:33] tapout: :) [07:33] omg [07:33] OMG [07:33] what is going on [07:33] it's like i discovered something that has restored my passion with computers or something [07:35] tapout: Terminals are great :) [07:35] lordievader: windows has made people hate terminals :-/ [07:36] cmd is soo awful and powershell is still bad [07:36] kristal: Lately I have been making sure my python stuff also works on Windows, it is quite fun to make a work around for everything... [07:36] and many mac users don't like the terminals because it pops the "it's magic" bubble [07:37] lordievader: I like how windows python ports sometimes have compatibility bugs... [07:38] wow - spouting off nonsense about mac users not liking the terminal [07:39] ikonia: Hey, I know "normal" mac users, if they see a terminal they think i'm hacking them. [07:39] nonsense [07:39] and if so, that's just your collection of friends, rather than the norm [07:39] ikonia: I do IT... [07:40] so ? [07:41] ikonia: The norm is people have never seen the inside of a computer, don't know what a kernel is, and if they're under 20, haven't seen a CLI. [07:41] sorry, no [07:41] they don't know what a kernel is, they don't need to know, they don't need to see the inside of a computer, but most of the mac users I know, ranging from artists, to application developers are some of the most powerful shell users I know [07:42] and it certainly doesn't burst any bubbles [07:42] inside of muon, when I see the deb icon with the blue circle (canonical stamp) i'm guessing.. implies those packages are tested or something? [07:42] ikonia: Well not with the 100 people I work with. [07:42] tapout: Ya [07:45] Powershell is going to be really bad in 8 years [07:46] lordievader: doesn't that mean booting into windows? [07:46] skreech_: please say that's because ms is adopting bash and it's jsut going to be bad because it's being abandoned [07:47] kristal: Well no it passes around binary objects. Which are great as long as the infrastructure around it understand binary blobs and pipes. [07:48] skreech_: blobs sounds like security fun [07:48] It allows some amazing stuff now like being able to pipe in directly from a GUI process or piping directly into a Word Document or power point presentation [07:49] skreech_: In linux almost everything has a stdio interface lol [07:49] Theeeeeen they change all of those and stuff slowly starts breaking and degrading .. theeennn new scripts only assume you have newer libs and after awhile it becomes a hobble mishmash [07:49] Eevrythign does. It's all text [07:49] skreech_: Well, that declined quickly. [07:49] which pretty much never changes [07:50] haha the examples for Qt run amazing! [07:50] A script written 38 years ago will probably still work [07:50] even in vmware [07:50] GTFO [07:50] skreech_: It actually means that I use Windows, else I wouldn't go through the trouble of making my python stuff work on Windows. [07:50] tapout: tone down the language please. [07:50] and dumps will at least be able to be massaged into working (for example if the formatting changed) [07:51] powershell doesn't seem so lucky to age well in the design [07:51] lordievader: perhaps you could make windows packages from linux to avoid it more :P [07:51] but currently it does some amazing stuff [07:51] lordievader: You could have clients that use windows :) [07:52] But yeah when I start getting back in to hacking personal python projects I'm probably going to be doing them inw Windows as well [07:52] kristal: Tried that with cx_freeze, didn't work for Py3000 things... :( [07:52] skreech_: I'm not that professional ;) [07:53] I'm happy to report I no longer develop on windows because I can compile windows bins right on linux whoooo [07:53] not really interesting in this windows bashing - so please stop [07:55] I know qt apps are portable to windows... a desktop like kde portable too? [07:56] lordievader: :) [07:56] kristal: http://windows.kde.org/ [07:56] kristal: #kde-win [07:57] Oh god, i thought i was almost joking... I have to try that for fun now, make my windows image look my kubuntu [07:58] seems a stupid project and waste of resources [07:58] ikonia: So stupid it's almost brilliant. [07:58] not at all [07:58] it seems a pointless project and a waste of time and resources that could be used elsewhere [07:58] Exactly, only a genius can perfect silliness. [07:58] no, [07:59] Although, that work could go towards multiplatform apps, so qt stuff runs on everything. [07:59] Minix could really use a good desktop like KDE. [07:59] this channel isn't for minix [08:01] ikonia: Most Free software projects are pointless to most people. [08:01] However they are not to the people who are working on them. Which is what makes it valuable [08:01] I disagree, but thats fine if that's how you seee it [08:01] skreech_: True - except for Linux, which runs the world. [08:01] please stop with this linux fanboy stuff [08:01] at least be realistic in discussion [08:02] :) [08:03] Though realistically Linux does run most of the modern world [08:03] Internet, spying, military, medical, space, research [08:04] There's kubuntu in government workstations. :) [08:04] there is also windows/mac on government workstations [08:04] ikonia: I would argue as long as someone wants to work on a project it's not a waste of that person's time [08:05] skreech_: yes, I see your view point as I said a few lines up, I disagree with it, but understand your view [08:05] cool missed that. [08:06] Linux itself wouldn't exist if Linus didn't waste time making his own take on minix 1 [08:06] kristal: please just stop, [08:06] kristal: you appear to be referencing random things that have no relation to the discussion. [08:06] kristal: That's really into #kubuntu-offtopic [08:06] Wasn't kubuntu from a corporate background? [08:07] I know qt itself was [08:18] I've never seen an op in ops, is that a freenode thing, or channel thing, or do they all hide themselves. [08:20] kristal: what channel ? [08:24] is net install the only "minimal" way to install kubuntu? [08:25] yes [08:25] or just install kubuntu and remove what you don't want [08:27] kubuntu-desktop meta package is huge and puts in software i don't want... hmm... is there a core kde desktop meta pack? [08:27] kde-core [08:27] gah, was searching kubuntu, there we go [08:28] :-) [08:28] !info kde-core [08:28] Package kde-core does not exist in raring [08:28] hmm [08:29] i am disappointed... [08:30] !info kde-baseapps [08:30] kde-baseapps (source: kde-baseapps): base applications from the official KDE release (meta-package). In component universe, is optional. Version 4:4.10.5-0ubuntu0.1 (raring), package size 8 kB, installed size 119 kB [08:30] \o/ [08:30] haha, found it [08:30] you've found it because you've just been given it [08:30] kristal: it seems a bit of research in how kde is put together from the multple child packages maybe useful to help you move forward. [08:31] (as much or as little as you like) [08:31] Ya I need to go through the packages, I want to make a mini disk for VMs and such [08:32] http://dot.kde.org/2013/09/25/frameworks-5 [08:32] kristal: why do you need a mini disk, the base install isn't that big [08:33] ikonia: I want to have a sync'd over network install, my uplad is only 1-10Mbit depending on the connection. [08:34] sync over network ?? [08:35] sync what ? [08:35] a disk image [08:35] well, a container, OVZ [08:35] what ????? [08:36] I have the same OS running on all my computers in all locations, the same days sync'd up [08:36] the host machene runs ovz === saheb is now known as sahebpreet [08:36]