[00:00] <Hundred> hi friends
[00:00] <Hundred> when editing keyboard shortcuts, where is the file location again?
[00:03] <Unit193> In ~/.config/openbox/lubuntu-rc.xml
[00:05] <Hundred> okay, i'll check it out
[03:51] <chispassss> somebody install R stastic soft in lubuntu?           i cant run  .... the icon no work and rcmdr in terminal no work too
[03:51] <chispassss> i have lubuntu raring and i install r-cran from synaptics
[03:53] <chispassss> or i nned some like run in root mode? im here in mi compueter narahari@narahari-desktop:~$
[03:55] <ianorlin> do you get an error message?
[03:56] <chispassss> no ... no erro when i click in icon in the menu ... afeter click just open lxterminal and ar blocked
[03:57] <chispassss> or how can i see the command to execute properly R
[14:08] <vrkalak> how you change right-click menu? ... i change in openbox and fluxbox
[14:10] <melodie_> vrkalak right-click menu from where? on the desktop?
[14:11] <vrkalak> lubuntu-13.04
[14:11] <vrkalak> i can't figure out LXDE
[14:35] <melodie_> vrkalak I would like to help you but you don't tell me what you are trying to do exactly?
[14:38] <melodie_> vrkalak I have a lubuntu saucy testing under my hand, so tell me what you need to know, as soon I'll go back to archlinux
[14:38] <vrkalak> change App listed on right-click menu
[14:39] <melodie_> have you chosen the openbox menu instead of the lxde menu ?
[14:39] <vrkalak> melodie_, I am Debian Maintainer .. only around playing Arch
[14:40] <melodie_> great!
[14:40] <melodie_> maybe we could help each other :)
[14:41] <vrkalak> i'm "scripts" in Fluxbox method
[14:41] <melodie_> by default there are no apps on the desktop right click menu in a Lxde desktop, unless you have chosen to use the menus from the window manager in the desktop preferences gui
[14:41] <vrkalak> D-M for Fluxbox WM
[14:42] <melodie_> if you have the openbox menu, then you can change the apps by editing the menu.xml file which is in /home/you/config/openbox directory
[14:42] <melodie_> or another way : you can install the openbox-menu package I put as a ppa on launchpad, and use the configuration files I have provided for it
[14:43] <melodie_> which will provide a dynamic applications menu
[14:43] <melodie_> and the configuration files provide default menus that fit with ubuntu
[14:43] <melodie_> and four desktops with nice names ^^
[14:44] <melodie_> would you like more info? sourced references?
[14:45] <vrkalak> I find ~/.config/openbox.xml ... I not very familiar with XML files, I guess
[14:46] <melodie_> there should not be any file having for name openbox.xml
[14:47] <melodie_> in the ~/.config/openbox directory there is a file having for name "lubuntu-rc.xml"
[14:47] <melodie_> I check again
[14:47] <melodie_> I usually have openbox + openbox-menu + config files + obsession and I am not very much used to have a full lxde desktop either
[14:49] <melodie_> vrkalak I fetch a picture, and in the meanwhile could you show me your right-click menu by making and uploading a screenshot?
[14:50] <melodie_> here, you could have this:
[14:50] <melodie_> http://meets.free.fr/Downloads/Screenshots/bento2/06-bento2.png
[14:50] <melodie_> and what is in lubuntu usually is this:
[14:50] <melodie_> http://meets.free.fr/Downloads/Screenshots/bento2/08-bento2.png
[14:50] <melodie_> which can be changed with this configuration:
[14:51] <melodie_> http://meets.free.fr/Downloads/Screenshots/bento2/07-bento2.png
[14:51] <vrkalak> am not a novice ... i can figure it out
[14:52] <melodie_> have I said you are?
[14:52] <melodie_> you have asked a question but didn't provide the details I was asking for
[14:53] <melodie_> and I'd also be interested to get help for another project related to openbox-menu, therefore I'd be interested to know if openbox-menu can trigger interest for you?
[14:53] <melodie_> which is what is used in the first of the three pics
[14:53] <vrkalak> i got far .. i "change" right-click menu
[14:54] <melodie_> so you have the menu provided by the openbox window manager? Am I right?
[14:54] <vrkalak> No.3
[14:55] <melodie_> ok
[14:55] <melodie_> are you interested by a dynamic menu in openbox ?
[14:56] <melodie_> or you have doc about menus here: http://openbox.org/wiki/Help:Menus
[14:59] <melodie_> is there someone who would have a clue about sound in Lubuntu Saucy testing?
[14:59] <Unit193> Not with only that much detail.
[14:59] <melodie_> hi Unit193 and with this ? https://lists.launchpad.net/lubuntu-qa/msg03765.html
[15:01] <vrkalak> found it ... ObMenu was initially in lubuntu-lxde
[15:04] <melodie_> Unit193 so? any clue?
[15:05] <Unit193> Standard stuff, normal sound out?  Checked in alsamixer?  It listed in aplay -l?
[15:06] <melodie_> I haven't tried aplay -l, trying now
[15:07] <melodie_> http://pastebin.fr/28968
[15:08] <melodie_> with English:
[15:08] <melodie_> http://pastebin.fr/28969
[15:08] <melodie_> checked in alsamixer just before
[15:26] <melodie_> $ mplayer -playlist http://www.radioswisspop.ch/live/mp3.m3u
[15:26] <melodie_> AO: [pulse] Init failed: Internal error
[15:26] <melodie_> I didn't paste all, just the error
[15:27] <melodie_> I'll reboot to the other distro, bbl
[15:28] <Unit193> dpkg -l | grep pulse
[16:58] <DanS_> hi
[16:58] <DanS_> anyone good with drivers?
[17:13] <melodie> hi again
[17:13] <melodie> phillw ?
[18:34] <melodie> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/bogofilter/+bug/1235741
[19:08] <phillw> melodie: ?
[19:23] <methdoize> can anyone help me trouble shoot what i believe to be a java issue on a mincraft installation?
[19:25] <melodie> phillw still here? (just finished dinner)
[19:26] <phillw> melodie: yup, just chatting on ##phillw
[19:26] <melodie> oh you have your own chan!
[19:27] <melodie> phillw have you seen my report about testing Lubuntu saucy today?
[19:30] <melodie> I would like to know if there is anything else special that I could test with that one install?
[19:32] <phillw> zram should auto start. have you issued
[19:32] <phillw> swapon -s
[19:32] <phillw> ?
[19:32] <melodie> what is the -s option ?
[19:33] <melodie> man swapon → []
[19:33] <melodie>      -s, --summary
[19:33] <melodie>               Display swap usage summary by device. Equivalent to "cat /proc/swaps".  Not available before Linux 2.1.25.
[19:33] <melodie> I have issued cat /proc/swaps so this is the same
[19:34] <melodie> you can see it in my post methinks
[19:34] <melodie> https://lists.launchpad.net/lubuntu-qa/msg03765.html
[19:35] <phillw> melodie: I've only tested the amd64 desktop, I'll refresh my 32 bit one and fire it up in a VM.
[19:35] <melodie> why not
[19:36] <phillw> melodie: I am alternate tester :P
[19:36] <melodie> what is the file or process which is supposed to get it to work? the /etc/init/zram-config.conf file perhaps?
[19:36] <phillw> melodie: are you using the current daily?
[19:37] <melodie> I have updated the test install : is that ok ?
[19:37] <melodie> I have rebooted after, to have the latest kernel running
[19:41] <phillw> I'll zsync up, but it will take ~ 45 minutes to complete
[19:41] <melodie> o_o
[19:41] <melodie> just the zsync?
[19:43] <melodie> I started zsyncing a pair of minutes ago, I'll also install it to vbox, and it's almost finished: "Target 65.3% complete."
[19:43] <phillw> melodie: yup, a new kernel is quite a large file. It takes 3 hours for me to get an entire ISO (living in a lovely village does have drawbacks with speed of internet :) )
[19:45] <melodie> i am also in a lovely village however we have between 10 and 15 Mbps Adsl here :)
[19:46] <melodie> I had the ISO also so it took just the refresh?
[19:46] <melodie> what kind of network do you have?
[19:47] <phillw> melodie: I get 100 Kb/s on a good day, with a following wind :)
[19:47] <melodie> :p
[19:47] <phillw> too many miles of copper wire between us and the exchange. no fibre optic or cable in the village.
[19:48] <melodie> ask them to install "Re-Adsl" ?
[19:49] <melodie> (Reach Extended ADSL2 )
[19:50] <phillw> faster broadband is being gradually rolled out. Not sure when we get it. If I'm in a mad rush I use my 3G dongle, but that costs 15 GBP for 3GB of data.
[19:50] <genii> Ouch.
[19:50] <melodie> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G.992.3_Annex_L
[19:50] <phillw> I run zsyncs over night as a rule :)
[19:50] <melodie> genii yes, ouch!
[19:51] <phillw> I can grab stuff really fast onto my server, but doing desktop installs with GUI is also quite painful on the speed of link I have :)
[19:54] <melodie> I can fancy that
[20:00] <phillw> as a 'server' person, that's why the alternates have a special place in my heart :)
[20:01] <melodie> I have learned installing with "alternates". there were no desktop installers at that time
[20:02] <melodie> there were Live CD's for testing and demonstrating, and install CD's
[20:02] <melodie> alternates are also still very handy on machines where the cpu and gpu are old with little resource
[20:05] <melodie> phillw I'll be away from IRC at some time later, and when you have results I'll be either coming back or will look forward to your reply on the mailing list
[20:06] <melodie> for now I finished install of the today's iso in vbox and will look what it looks like about zram there. One thing is that it has booted veeery fast!
[20:06] <phillw> I'll get it tested tonight (21:06 here)
[20:06] <melodie> wonder if ubuntu makes use of systemd now?
[20:06] <melodie> 22:06 here
[20:06] <melodie> I have seen some systemd packages and the boot went in a few seconds!
[20:07] <phillw> I have 13.10 on piglet,
[20:07] <phillw> phillw@piglet:~/Desktop/isos$ swapon -s
[20:07] <phillw> Filename				Type		Size	Used	Priority
[20:07] <phillw> /dev/sda6                               partition	4176832	0	-1
[20:07] <phillw> /dev/sdb2                               partition	4095996	0	-2
[20:07] <phillw> /dev/zram0                              partition	946812	0	5
[20:07] <phillw> /dev/zram1                              partition	946812	0	5
[20:08] <phillw> melodie: and, yes, lubuntu boots like a scalded cat :)
[20:08] <melodie> scalded?
[20:09] <phillw> imagine the speed of a cat when hot water was poured onto it :D
[20:09] <melodie> _//\\o//\\_
[20:09] <melodie> no I can't. too cruel
[20:10] <melodie> in the vbox install zram is running
[20:10] <methdoize> anyone know where i can find some help on what i think is a java related lag on  minecraft?
[20:11] <melodie> methdoize do you run it into playonlinux?
[20:12] <phillw> melodie: I've sent meth a PM :)
[20:13] <melodie> meth?
[20:13] <melodie> I think I don't know who meth is
[20:13] <phillw> melodie: methdoiz e without pinging them!
[20:13] <melodie> ok
[20:14] <melodie> phillw I can't get the guest addons to work in lubuntu
[20:14] <phillw> there are a few people familiar with minecraft on another channel that I know of, so have advised that they ask there :)
[20:16] <phillw> melodie: I do not use VBox as a rule, Once I've had a look at your 32bit desktop issue with zram I'll take a further look as to if there are problems with vBox.
[20:18] <melodie> I think I'll have to look into the install on hardware again anyhow
[20:18] <melodie> I don't get the same result in the virtual machine
[20:20] <phillw> testing on hardware is the cast iron test. Just in case, do run the self test on the CD before installing onto the laptop.
[20:20] <phillw> i.e. run the self test ON the laptop.
[20:22] <melodie> do you mean the self test on CD ?
[20:22] <melodie> what is "cast iron test" ?
[20:22] <melodie> cast?
[20:22] <melodie> my laptop does not see CD's anymore, I installed from usb stick
[20:23] <melodie> the stick is prepared by hand, no corruption ever occurred with the method I am using
[20:24] <melodie> however I could re-install zram-config just in case
[20:25] <phillw> melodie: okies, but it's still worth testing any way. and for cast irom, it is the difference between using VM's and real hardware. I do briefly cover it at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/Virtual_Machines
[20:27] <melodie> phillw I fired a new install in the vbox vm because I see issues in the real install. I wanted to see if under similar conditions I could reproduce it in the vbox machine, but it appears I can't
[20:28] <melodie> therefore I don't know why zram is not loaded during boot, but next time I could type a dmesg just after booting the laptop then paste it to pastebin, have a look and share it with the list
[20:28] <melodie> if you have any idea which other log messages I could bring back, I will
[20:28] <melodie> syslog? messages? else ?
[20:29] <phillw> as piglet is 63bit, I have the 64 bit version installed. I'll check https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1227202 and see if we did get a 32 bit test done, if not; I'll ask for one to be done,
[20:29] <phillw> 63 bit?!!!! lol
[20:29] <melodie> phillw :)
[20:30] <melodie> what is "piglet" ?
[20:30] <phillw> piglet is the uname of my laptop.
[20:31] <melodie> ok
[20:32] <melodie> about the freezes : have you noticed no one answered by testing what I suggested with zram devices smaller than 1/2 of the available ram?
[20:33] <melodie> none answered either about alternate methods to fine tune this with a regular configuration file
[20:33] <phillw> melodie: we are running with the default options that new users will meet when installing.
[20:33] <melodie> ubuntu should review this position, I think it is a very wrong configuration setup
[20:34] <melodie> I have been using zram daily since many years, when it was still necessary to set it up by hand with the compcache ramzswap and another module
[20:34] <melodie> which where not in the kernel
[20:34] <melodie> and we (at home) have always followed the values adviced by the author: nitin gupta
[20:35] <melodie> and that worked well all along
[20:36] <melodie> phillw I have provided the link to the wiki of the project
[20:36] <phillw> melodie: as there is also https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1235525 there is further work needed to fine tune things. But, as these errors are not seen in the 3.12 rc1 & rc2 kernels I've tested, we now await the vUDS for the kernel team to decide upon if they are going to keep 3.11 kernel or switch to 3.12 before we expend more precious "man hours" on the issue.
[20:36] <melodie> on one of theses posts of mine
[20:37] <melodie> phillw this is kernel devs stuff
[20:38] <phillw> melodie: indeed it is! Thankfully, Joe from the kernel team has been very, very patient with me in explaining things :)
[20:42] <melodie> phillw look here please:
[20:42] <melodie> http://code.google.com/p/compcache/wiki/CompilingAndUsingNew
[20:42] <melodie> Comment by project member nitingupta910@gmail.com, May 7, 2010
[20:42] <melodie> this part:
[20:43] <melodie> particularly this part:
[20:43] <melodie> "@Paczesiowa: ramzswap should not be given so much of memory as its just a (virtual) swap device -- it can compress only anonymous (say, process stack, heap etc.) memory. There are also other kinds of caches in the system, say filesystem cache which also require lot of memory. So, to have a good balance among all the different caches, ramzswap should not be given nearly 100% of RAM.
[20:43] <melodie> Appropriate amount of ramzswap memory depends on kind of workload. For typical desktop workloads, I found 25% to work just fine (this is the default). "
[20:44] <melodie> there have been benchmarks on several types of machines
[20:44] <melodie> some of the benchmarks done can be found in the following entries: http://code.google.com/p/compcache/w/list
[20:46] <phillw> melodie: also be aware of https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1215379
[20:47] <phillw> As to what lubuntu goes with in 14.04 is not yet decided. A lot hangs on what the kernel team decide to use as the kernel.
[20:48] <phillw> The opening questions of this have already been started, but it is pointless for us to spend time on things until the kernel is decided upon :)
[20:48] <melodie> phillw I'll keep an eye on it. In archlinux:
[20:48] <melodie> $ uname -a
[20:48] <melodie> Linux squirrel 3.11.2-1-ARCH #1 SMP PREEMPT Fri Sep 27 07:35:36 CEST 2013 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[20:48] <melodie> $ zgrep ZSWAP /proc/config.gz
[20:48] <melodie> CONFIG_ZSWAP=y
[20:48] <melodie> and will ask more info about it
[20:50] <phillw> melodie: I did stretch things (look at comment 12 onwards) about how 3.12 kernel behaved https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1227202
[20:52] <melodie> phillw I'm on the phoronix page about zswap now, at this part: "With the Kconfig ZSWAP support for Zswap enabled, it's just a matter of setting zswap.enabled=1 as a kernel module parameter. "
[20:53] <melodie> but in the kernel in arch it's "y" and not a "m" therefore it does not need any parameter
[20:54] <phillw> melodie: indeed, but zswap does need a swap partition as fall back, where as zram does not. These are discussions that have been started, but as the idea is to allow the GUI desktop installer to work WITHOUT having to make a swap partition 1st, it does look like zram is better suited for the installer.
[20:56] <phillw> For use after installing, we will have to look at some metrics, these can be looked into once we know what kernel 14.04 has :D
[20:57] <melodie> ok, but let me know what I should install on people's machines from now and until next spring or summer, when the spring release will have had all major bug corrections provided? :)
[20:58] <melodie> phillw don't forget about the size of the zram devices : they should not exceed 1/4th of the available ram
[20:59] <melodie> (each one: when there are 2 cores, that makes a large amount of compressed ram as there is one block device created for each cpu which exists on the machine)
[20:59] <melodie> and oh
[21:01] <melodie> we have a small samsung netboot which used to have 1 GB RAM only since recently. It runs an Ubuntu LTS with Openbox (tint2, openbox-menu and obsession). The zram setup is the one I repeat on the ml since a few days: 1/4 : never a problem. the machine is my son's, who is a young teenager who loves playing games
[21:01] <melodie> such as Battle for Wesnoth for instance, or some other games on the web with flashplugin-berk
[21:02] <melodie> and I have also had to use libreoffice to type letters on it at some time in the past
[21:02] <melodie> never a lag
[21:02] <melodie> never slowness
[21:02] <melodie> there is a swap large enough so it can be used for hibernate
[21:03] <melodie> and what happens about the zram devices is that it's never much used
[21:03] <melodie> if the apps used are too numerous, it starts slowing does, we just close some apps, some tabs in Firefox and that's it
[21:04] <melodie> in the worse case we would start htop in a tty and see from there is some process needs to be stopped
[21:05] <melodie> the laptop has an Atom cpu with integrated Intel graphics, and has 1.6 Ghz I think
[21:05] <melodie> about that much
[21:07] <phillw> melodie: I do strongly believe that this sort of discussion should be moved to  brainstorming lp area which Julien set up so that we can have such discussions on a 1 blueprint  per idea basis.
[21:08] <melodie> what is the brainstorming lp area?
[21:08] <melodie> is it a live discussion place such as here or a kind of ml?
[21:09] <melodie> anyhow you can forward all this (copy/paste) to any place you think is relevant, with me thanking you gratefully
[21:10] <phillw> It is a more structured environment for to be able to discuss items, let me get one set up and then I'll pop you the link :)
[21:11] <phillw> melodie: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-brainstorming is the area, please apply for membership and  I'll get the blueprint set up.
[21:11] <melodie> phillw do I click here? https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-brainstorming/+join
[21:12] <melodie> I am a bit sleepy so I prefer asking to be sure
[21:13] <melodie> phillw "24 active members" ?
[21:13] <melodie> done
[21:13] <melodie> just clicked
[21:14] <melodie> "Your request to join Lubuntu Brainstorming Team is awaiting approval."
[21:14] <melodie> "Your mailing list subscription is awaiting approval."
[21:19] <phillw> melodie: you have been approved, I'll email Ali to get a new blueprint created.
[21:28] <phillw> melodie: so, to catch up, are you going to re-try the 32bit desktop installer, or do you want me to make a request for someone to check on hardware?
[21:40] <zleap> any idea why,  a 12.04 live cd would work fine with usb and networking then during installation the drivers vanish leaving no functioning network or usb support
[21:40] <zleap> trying to help in #dcglug with this issue
[21:41] <zleap> hi danmackay
[21:41] <zleap> DanS_,
[21:41] <DanS_> hi
[21:41] <phillw> for losing usb, I do not know. for losing WiFi that would most likely be that they have a broadcom wifi unit which we cannot ship in the install.
[21:43] <zleap> so how come it works with the live cd then
[21:43] <zleap> the drivers must be on the live cd
[21:44] <phillw> zleap: we can have the broadcom driver on the liveCD, just not on the install. Don't blame me, I'm not the eejit company who has such licensing rules :D
[21:45] <zleap> ok so it may be a case of trying to copy it from the live cd then
[21:45] <DanS_> this doesnt have wifi zleap
[21:45] <DanS_> I've been there with broadcom mind
[21:46] <DanS_> will work in livecd but you have to install the right source to get it to work
[21:46] <phillw> indeed, same goes with some of the graphics cards where only basic support is available.
[21:47] <phillw> !broadcom
[21:47] <DanS_> thanks
[21:47] <DanS_> I had to do it with a b43 the other day
[21:48] <phillw> Yeah, I had the same fun when installing lubuntu onto my Sis's laptop :)
[21:49] <DanS_> I had to do it to 6 the other day
[21:49] <DanS_> still fun when you work out how to get it to work in the end
[21:50] <phillw> DanS_: it is, it's just a shame that broadcom are so pig headed over the matter. Hopefully they'll go bust one day :D
[21:50] <DanS_> yeah I didn't even know it was broadcom who made the rule I just thought it was basic drivers so it could still fit cd sizes
[21:50] <DanS_> for old kit for example
[21:51] <phillw> nope, we would to ship the driver as default :(
[21:52] <DanS_> that must get frustrating
[21:52] <DanS_> zleap got me into lubuntu
[21:52] <phillw> indeed...
[21:52] <zleap> :)
[21:53] <zleap> well it's good for less powerful computers plus you get software centre like you do with ubuntu only a less resource hogging version at least
[21:53] <phillw> DanS_: welcome to lubuntu, if you ever want to stop by for a general chat, we also have #lubuntu-offtopic which is for any chats not support related and a general chill out channel.
[21:53] <DanS_> thanks
[21:54] <DanS_> Had fun giving it to a community place the other day
[21:54] <phillw> lubuntu will breath life into the XP machines that are soon to go EoL :)
[21:54] <zleap> yeah
[21:55] <zleap> we need to try and push that
[21:55] <DanS_> .agreed
[21:55] <phillw> we are doing :)
[21:55] <zleap> cool
[21:55] <zleap> any promo materials that can help with that I am happy to put them up or give to schools etc
[21:57] <phillw> zleap: head over to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StartUbuntu for a heads up one what we have available.
[21:57] <DanS__> sorry switched to wifi
[21:57] <DanS__> ok well this pc now works! :D
[21:58] <DanS__> bye bye Windows, Hello Lubuntu!
[21:58] <phillw> good to hear :D
[21:59] <DanS__> thanks the install must have gone strange first time, but i tried reinstalling but never formatted the disks
[22:00] <DanS_> switched back to ethernet
[22:03] <phillw> DanS_: are you running 13.04 or 13.10?
[22:04] <zleap> 12.04
[22:04] <zleap> we are running a £50 pc scheme and want to keep all the installed OS systems consistant
[22:04] <phillw> ooh, that's a very old lubuntu, much has changed since then. 12.04 was not an lts for lubuntu.
[22:05] <phillw> as long as the versions of the lx apps work well, then by all means stick with it until 14.04 comes out.
[22:05] <DanS_> ok
[22:05] <DanS_> its going to a new owner anyway for their grandson i believe
[22:07] <phillw> DanS_: try it with 13.10, it goes into Release Candidate this week. It has all the updated lubuntu things and firefox is now the default browser as it is better at handling low RAM etc.
[22:07] <phillw> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/270/builds
[22:08] <DanS_> phillw: I will do when it comes out otherwise i have to hang a dvd drive out the back of the machine
[22:08] <DanS_> unless i can install from a usb on the desktop
[22:09] <phillw> you can make a boot usb for 13.10
[22:10] <phillw> you should only need a CD, btw. Lubuntu is the only flavour left that is CD sized :)
[22:10] <DanS_> yeah the machine is an all in one system and i have to undo the back and hang a drive out the back of it
[22:11] <DanS_> http://cdn-static.zdnet.com/i/story/30/39/428430/ecoquiet_432x300.jpg
[22:12] <phillw> nice enough machine, it should love the 32bit 13.10 :)
[22:12] <DanS_> i have about 15 of em to refurbish
[22:16] <DanS_> and ive formatted about 12 laptops with lubuntu in the past few months
[22:21] <DanS_> phillw: so will 14.04 be LTS?
[22:24] <phillw> DanS_: indeed it will :)
[22:24] <DanS_> cool
[22:25] <DanS_> when 13.10 goes RC is that the final version?
[22:29] <DanS__> sorry my computer switched back to wifi as i unplugged ethernet
 melodie: so, to catch up, are you going to re-try the 32bit desktop installer, or do you want me to make a request for someone to check on hardware?  // why not both? I could retry on one, maybe two 32bits hardware
[22:32] <melodie> If I burn a CD with a fresh image I can use it to install to a P4 desktop and use the CD to install again to a usb stick which I can use to install to the old T30 laptop
[22:32] <melodie> if you ask one more person to test, that could be 2 or 3 tests
[22:34] <DanS__> melodie: ive just installed to a P4
[22:37] <melodie> hi DanS__
[22:37] <DanS__> hi melodie
[22:37] <melodie> did you install the lubuntu 13.10 rc ?
[22:38] <DanS__> no 12.04
[22:38] <DanS__> ive had some problems this past week with a pc im refurbishing
[22:38] <melodie> you can prepare a usb stick easily from within any ubuntu/lubuntu installed distro, using usb creator
[22:38] <DanS__> ah cool
[22:38] <melodie> or by hand if you like some manual work
[22:39] <DanS__> thanks will bear that in mind
[22:39] <DanS__> melodie: no more manual work
[22:39] <melodie> :D
[22:39] <DanS__> my brain will fry before the week has started
[22:39] <melodie> I have learned a method which is nice enough for multiboot, once a usb stick is prepared with it it goes very smooth adding more distros in the stick
[22:40] <DanS__> nice
[22:40] <melodie> but the other day, I had to reboot to a Debian, because I could not find any grub-legacy in the Ubuntu repos! and I'm used to it and it's simple menu.list file
[22:40] <DanS__> ah ok
[22:41] <DanS__> i've been refurbushing a pc
[22:41] <melodie> I'd like to talk to you about the refurbished machines, but it's off topic, can we talk by pm?
[22:41] <DanS__> sure
[22:41] <melodie> thanks!
[23:06] <melodie> phillw going now, will look tomorrow what I can do at the blueprint brainstorming place. thanks!
[23:06] <melodie> good night