[00:01] <skellat> brainwash: I can confirm that the trash issue is gone
[00:34] <Unit193> Ah, new gvfs and indicators today.
[00:54] <jjfrv8> ochosi, yes, the Parole docs are still on my agenda. Other stuff has gotten in the way recently.
[00:55] <jjfrv8> Should be able to turn my attention to it in the next couple of days.
[01:02] <slickymaster> Noskcaj, cy tomorrow
[02:03] <smartboyhw> skellat, congratulations!
[02:06] <bluesabre> ochosi, knome: I've been trying to get it into my ppa with no luck, hopefully micahg can accomplish it
[02:45] <Noskcaj> Does anyone else's desktop keep freezing?
[08:50] <brainwash> Noskcaj: xfdesktop? it should not freeze anymore after the recent gvfs update
[08:51] <brainwash> after deleting files and then hovering over the trash icon
[08:54] <Noskcaj> brainwash, my issue is different, and i probably caused it. Either the icons disappear or they stop working
[09:04] <brainwash> Noskcaj: you already updated gvfs to 1.18.2, right?
[09:05] <Noskcaj> I upgraded thismorning, i'll apt-get update again
[09:07] <brainwash> the fact that icons disappear indicates a crash of xfdesktop I guess
[09:07] <brainwash> usually xfdesktop should get restored by the xfce session manager
[09:52] <knome> congrats skellat 
[10:01] <brainwash> ochosi: I can't test it right now, but my test installation seems to be affected by https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/35348
[10:02] <brainwash> ochosi: using numix currently, I'll test other themes later
[10:18] <elfy> hi knome 
[10:25] <knome> hey elfy 
[10:26] <elfy> keeping busy I hope :)
[10:26] <knome> heh, a bit too busy
[10:27] <elfy> :(
[10:27] <knome> at least to get productive with foss 
[10:27] <knome> gonna be fourth night in a row not home today
[10:28] <elfy> oh 
[10:29] <elfy> you should get someone to remind you were you live ;)
[10:29] <smartboyhw> elfy, nah, Google Maps is enough;)
[10:30] <knome> elfy, haha, that's true
[10:48] <ochosi> ali1234: would be lovely if you could give it a shot, just don
[10:49] <ochosi> ali1234: 't think i can be of much help, i have very minimal experience with PPAing
[11:02] <brainwash> finally, ochosi is here :)
[11:06] <brainwash> ochosi: GDK_CORE_DEVICE_EVENTS=1 does restore the normal scrollbar behavior in gedit (didn't test other gtk3 apps)
[11:08] <ochosi> brainwash: where does that go?
[11:08] <ochosi> in the .ini?
[11:09] <brainwash> it's a env var I guess
[11:10] <brainwash> can you reproduce the issue?
[11:11] <brainwash> only noticed it when running Xfce, works normal in unity and gnome3
[11:13] <brainwash> ochosi: but the most important question remains: does xfce4-appfinder popup when starting it initially (fresh boot or relog)?
[11:14] <brainwash> it does not for me, the daemonized instance of xfce4-appfinder does get stuck at some point and is not able to respond to dbus messages
[11:15] <brainwash> from now on starting the appfinder is always deleted, because the dbus communication can't be established
[11:16] <brainwash> somehow the first window initialization gets stuck when calling "gtk_icon_theme_load_icon()"
[11:17] <brainwash> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/saucy/xfce4-appfinder/saucy-proposed/view/head:/src/appfinder-model.c#L1914
[11:17] <brainwash> I'll test the more recent git version now
[11:17] <brainwash> with gdbus support
[11:26] <ochosi> with my touchpad there are no problems
[11:26] <ochosi> will try as soon as i get hold of a mouse
[11:26] <ochosi> appfinder still doesn't work for me
[11:28] <ochosi> meaning, your patch/suggestion with the xml config didn't help...
[11:28] <brainwash> yea, that was a random thingy
[11:29] <brainwash> so does the appfinder appear if you start it the first time?
[11:29] <brainwash> rather important question
[11:37] <ochosi> brainwash: nope, it doesn't seem so
[11:38] <elfy> is there actually a bug for this - or is it just you 2 with the issue
[11:38] <brainwash> ok, any idea, why it would get stuck at calling "gtk_icon_theme_load_icon()"? some sort race condition?
[11:39] <brainwash> bug 1048805
[11:39] <ochosi> it's possible, gotta ask nick about that
[11:40] <elfy> oh old one
[11:40] <ochosi> yeah, longstanding one
[11:41] <brainwash> setting the return value to NULL (don't call that function -> don't load any images) fixes it
[11:42] <brainwash> it's system specific somewhat
[11:42] <brainwash> a fresh installation is not affected
[11:43] <brainwash> but let me first test the git version, before asking nick
[11:48] <ochosi> yeah, good idea
[12:11] <brainwash> ochosi: git version works always like expected
[12:14] <brainwash> backport the thingy, which makes it work magically?
[12:17] <ochosi> hm, guess you'd have to check which commit fixes it
[12:18] <ochosi> and then create a patch from that...
[12:18] <ochosi> (or ask nick to do another release, and we'd get it for 14.04 at least)
[12:19] <brainwash> ok, I'll ping him
[12:19] <brainwash> any more info about the gtk3 scrollbar problem?
[12:20] <brainwash> no clue, what's wrong with it
[12:20] <brainwash> the workaround works
[12:23] <ochosi> well as i said, my touchpad works fine
[12:23] <ochosi> will try to get a hold of a mouse on monday
[12:23] <brainwash> never mind, found the culprit.. overlay scrollbars
[12:24] <ochosi> oh right
[12:24] <ochosi> gotta go
[12:24] <ochosi> seeya brainwash 
[12:24] <brainwash> bye ochosi 
[18:40] <brainwash> bluesabre: what's the deal with https://code.launchpad.net/~smd-seandavis/xubuntu-default-settings/b2_fixes/+merge/187127 ? nobody wants to review it? :)
[21:25] <Unit193> ochosi: Not sure if you were interested, but systemd-shim came in with the upgrade.
[21:27] <brainwash> ochosi: so I added a comment to the xfce4-appfinder bug report, don't feel like discussing this topic anymore, so just compile the git version with includes nick's gdbus migration patch
[21:27] <Unit193> Not hitting that bug with alt+F2.
[21:28] <brainwash> yea, hardly anyone is affected
[21:28] <brainwash> btw which upgrade?
[21:28] <brainwash> 13.04 -> 13.10?
[21:28] <Unit193> Raring -> Saucy.
[21:29] <brainwash> raring does ship with systemd-shim I think
[21:30] <brainwash> no, it does not
[21:31] <brainwash> getting bored of all these special cases :)
[21:32] <Unit193> I thought I remembered purging it, but may have been some other sysd package.
[21:33] <brainwash> I'm pretty sure, that it got pulled in at some point after the release of raring
[21:33] <brainwash> and I removed it
[21:33] <Unit193> It was newly installed for the upgrade.
[21:38] <brainwash> so we just leave things unchanged
[21:39] <Unit193> Well, all I'm saying is Works for me™
[21:39] <brainwash> no need to add systemd-shim as dependency
[21:41] <brainwash> still odd, only ochosi and I were affected by the missing package after upgrading to 13.10
[21:41] <brainwash> same for the alt+f2 thingy
[21:43] <Unit193> Well, it is quite easy to purge, doesn't remove anything I haven't already.  Have any other sytemd packages missing? :P
[21:44] <brainwash> not anymore
[21:45] <brainwash> but the bug report does not only address the upgrade issue, you can purge the package at any time
[21:46] <brainwash> but it is somewhat required to restart/shutdown (xfce4-session)
[21:46] <brainwash> after the switch to systemd/logind
[21:46] <Unit193> Thus, it'd make sense if xfce4-session depended on it, I'd guess.
[21:47] <Unit193> (Well, if it works without it, recommends.)
[21:47] <brainwash> it did recommend consolekit before the switch
[21:48] <brainwash> ck is now gone
[21:48] <brainwash> well, deprecated
[21:52] <brainwash> it looks like most problems affecting xubuntu 13.10 are resolved now
[21:55] <brainwash> oh, almost forgot the most important one... gtk3 panel indicators :)
[21:55] <Unit193> Who cares if you can log in and out, where are the indicators!? ;)
[21:56] <brainwash> the indicators are really important
[21:56] <brainwash> for the average user
[21:57] <Unit193> Scrolling over the volume icon is how I change it, yes.  alsamixer is the other way. (And a cronjob that mutes it at night, but that doesn't count.)
[21:58] <brainwash> time is running out, hopefully there will be a working solution for that before the final release
[22:01] <brainwash> oh, https://wiki.edubuntu.org/Xubuntu/Roadmap/Specifications/Saucy/Gtk3Indicators
[22:08] <Unit193> Mhmm, I have a VM with that.
[22:10] <brainwash> I did not even know that such a howto exists on the net (ochosi never told me)
[22:11] <Unit193> Well, linked to a few times.  xfce4-indicator-plugin from git has two commits after the last release of interest.
[22:21] <Unit193> I must say, it was pretty painless.
[22:23] <brainwash> but it won't make it in time for 13.10, or?
[22:32] <andrzejr> Unit193, brainwash, I can release new version anytime but (a) there is no rush (gtk3 indicator plugin won't be included in 13.10), (b) I'm waiting for an official xfce4-panel release (at the moment indicator plugin depends on an unreleased, non-master branch)
[22:34] <brainwash> so there is no need to hurry :)
[23:25] <Unit193> andrzejr: He was going to try and slip it in still, if not release then at least backports.
[23:25] <Unit193> But yeah, nothing bit yet.