[10:07] <gallonimus> Hi! I have installed u 13.10b2 and I don't have virtualgl in repo (neded to bumblebee). Why?
[10:08] <gallonimus> second problem (probably connected to graphic) is blinking mouse cursor
[11:17] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[11:18] <penguin42> Hey BK
[12:01] <Mamarok> hi, I have a problem in a dist-upgrade from 13.04 to 13.10 beta2: it stalls at configuring grup-pc, what can I do?
[12:02] <penguin42> Mamarok: you should be using do-release-upgrade to do that type of update - it fixes a bunch of random stuff up sometimes; having said that I don't know of any reason for what you're seeing to happen
[12:02] <penguin42> Mamarok: Do you see any other debug/errors from the grub update?
[12:02] <Mamarok> penguin42: I did
[12:03] <Mamarok> there are no visible errors in that upgrade window, the last line is grup-pc is being installed
[12:03] <Mamarok> and no previous errors
[12:03] <Mamarok> it just hangs
[12:03] <penguin42> hmm
[12:04] <penguin42> do you have a separate /boot and has it got plenty of space in it?
[12:04] <Mamarok> no, but the drive on which I install has 90 GB free
[12:04] <Mamarok> no separate boot
[12:04] <Mamarok> so that should not be an isuse
[12:05] <penguin42> hmm no immediate suggestion I'm afraid, my only thought is maybe it's doing a device probe and waiting for a non-existant device?
[12:05] <Mamarok> then an error message would be nice to have
[12:05] <Mamarok> but all devices are connected and working
[12:06] <penguin42> yeh
[12:07] <penguin42> anything in /var/log/dist-upgrade to give a hint?
[12:08] <Mamarok> there are several log files, which one do I look at?
[12:08] <penguin42> apt-term.log seems to be most verbose
[12:09] <Mamarok> whcih si the exact same file I have already in the upgrade frontend, no errors there
[12:10] <Mamarok> main.log has this: http://pastebin.kde.org/ph4rf48ze
[12:10] <Mamarok> failed to SystemUnLock()
[12:11] <penguin42> If it's still stuck I'd probably use ps to find the process that's still running and attack it with strace or something to see what it's doing - or I might try and ctrl-c it and run update-grub and see what happens
[12:11] <Mamarok> could that be the isuse?
[12:12] <penguin42> hmm not sure, never looked in that log file before and never seen that message
[12:13] <penguin42> right, breakfast - back in a little while
[12:13] <Mamarok> so update-grup finished without problem, at least that seems to have run correctly
[12:15] <Mamarok> running dpkg --configure -a now
[12:16] <Mamarok> I have a suspicion: I added a different background to my grub, and maybe it can't find that file anymore, that's why it hangs
[12:17]  * Mamarok edits her grub settings
[12:38] <penguin42> Mamarok: Did that fix it?
[12:40] <Mamarok> I was able to configure everaything else, but no, still stalls at installing grub-pc
[12:40] <Mamarok> is there an option to get a verbose output of what it is doing under the hood?
[12:41] <penguin42> not that I know of, this is during the package configuration?
[12:41] <Mamarok> I guess so, for som strange reason my system outputs the lines in German, despite having everything else in English
[12:42] <penguin42> erm ok, I'd assumed you were running the whole thing in German
[12:42] <Mamarok> I am in Germany and have the German language packs installed, but the system is in English, all locale set to us English too
[12:43] <Mamarok> I also have French language packs installed because I need both spell checkers, but the system should be in English, yet it insists on giving me a German terminal
[12:43] <penguin42> Mamarok: if you do a dpkg -i on the grub-pc package from the command line does it hang in the same way?
[12:43] <Mamarok> very annoying
[12:43] <Mamarok> I first have to kill that process again, still ahngs
[12:45] <penguin42> then the only thing I can suggest is using ps to find out what process is actually hung, and seeing what you can find out what it's doing
[12:45] <Mamarok> I now see two zombie processes forr grub-pc.postins
[12:45] <Mamarok> that might be the problem
[12:46] <penguin42> yeh but the zombies probably are the symptom
[12:46] <penguin42> it's something running from postinst - so the question is what's still trying to run?
[12:49] <Mamarok> every time I try to install it again it opens those two postins processes, which then are zombified
[12:49] <Mamarok> I will check with dpkg -i
[12:51] <Mamarok> hm, where are the packages again so I can run dpkg -i? Somewhere in /var ?
[12:52] <Mamarok> nvm, found it
[12:54] <Mamarok> that didn't really help, same problem
[12:55] <penguin42> ok, that's kind of good - it's a simpler way to repeat
[12:56] <penguin42> Mamarok: Can you paste bin a ps -eafl  in the hung state?
[12:56] <penguin42> (and don't kill it)
[12:58] <Mamarok> here you go: http://pastebin.kde.org/ps8duispp
[12:59] <penguin42> ok, you see that mkdevicemap at line 129- I'd blame that
[12:59] <penguin42> Mamarok: Can you pastebin   ls -l /proc/2968/fd
[13:01] <Mamarok> I get this: http://pastebin.kde.org/pvgdcsfuk
[13:01] <penguin42> Mamarok: OK, and what's sdc on your system?
[13:01] <Mamarok> I will unplug sdc
[13:01] <Mamarok> it is an external USB3 HD
[13:02] <penguin42> were there any log messages about it in dmesg?
[13:02] <Mamarok> not that I recall
[13:03] <penguin42> pastebin dmesg?
[13:03] <penguin42> anyway, does it work with it unplugged?
[13:03] <Mamarok> trying now
[13:06] <Mamarok> not really, I have another zombie now :(
[13:06] <penguin42> ok, lets do the same trick
[13:07] <Mamarok> what trick?
[13:07] <penguin42> so does a ps  still show mkdevicemap still stuck?
[13:07] <Mamarok> yep
[13:07] <Mamarok> and zombie, can't kill, not even with -9
[13:07] <penguin42> ok, and what files does it have open this time?
[13:07] <penguin42> yeh that's because it's in D state which means it's wating on a device
[13:09] <Mamarok> erm, apparently I unplugged the wrong device, moment
[13:09] <penguin42> haha
[13:09] <Mamarok> and that worked :)
[13:09] <penguin42> good
[13:09] <penguin42> Mamarok: Now, try pastebining your dmesg ?
[13:10] <Mamarok> it is an encrypted external HD, that might be the problem
[13:10] <penguin42> encrypted how - luks or has it got a keypad or something weird?
[13:11] <Mamarok> just an encrypted partition, I don't even recally how I made that back then
[13:11] <Mamarok> recall*
[13:11] <penguin42> hmm that shouldn't be a problem
[13:11] <penguin42> Mamarok: thing is that mkdevicemap goes around and pings every disk to try and figure out the bios mapping, so it just reads a few blocks
[13:12] <Mamarok> so I grep dmesg for sdc?
[13:13] <Mamarok> I should ditch that device anyway, didn't use it in ages
[13:13] <penguin42> yeh or anything near the end that looks like messy scsi or usb errors
[13:14] <Mamarok> here you go: http://pastebin.kde.org/phr9vdgz4
[13:15] <penguin42> yeh I mean that's not happy is it
[13:15] <Mamarok> not really, I ditch that HD, it is a quite small one anyway
[13:16] <Mamarok> anyway, thanks a lot for your help, that really was a pain to find
[13:17] <Mamarok> and I learnd a few things in the process :)
[13:17] <Mamarok> learned*
[13:17] <penguin42> no problem
[13:17] <penguin42> but just generally make sure all your hardware is happy before trying an upgrade
[13:17] <Mamarok> that's what I learned :)
[13:20] <Mamarok> penguin42: thank you very much for your patience :)
[13:20] <penguin42> no problem
[13:21] <Mamarok> so rebooting is in order now :)
[13:41] <BluesKaj> I have some strange stuff happening , FF will play flash audio only on certain websites that contain their own players , but no audio on youtube . Chromium flash audio however, works on all sites
[13:43] <penguin42> BluesKaj: pulse running ok?
[13:45] <BluesKaj> yes, all the stored media audio is fine '
[13:45] <BluesKaj> penguin42,^
[13:46] <brainwash> BluesKaj: youtube player muted? can you adjust the volume slider?
[13:46] <penguin42> and/or is it muted in pulse
[13:47] <penguin42> BluesKaj: try running paman and under the Devices->sinks for your sound output does it show something playing (for me it shows #1 from my audio player)
[13:47] <BluesKaj> no mutes anywhere
[13:49] <penguin42> youtube shows as Alsa Playback under the paman devices/sinks section
[13:49] <BluesKaj> my pci m-audio soundcard is card 0 , and t's working fine on everything except firefox
[13:50] <penguin42> BluesKaj: Yeh so my question is does the firefox show up in paman?
[13:55] <BluesKaj> penguin42, I run my audio thru spidif to an audio reciever with digital inputs penguin42 no , but neither does chromium , but chromium plays youtube audio just fine ..unless it also has a pulse plugin like chrome-browser does
[13:56] <BluesKaj> oops sorry I'll seprate those 2 replies
[13:56] <BluesKaj> no , but neither does chromium , but chromium plays youtube audio just fine ..unless it also has a pulse plugin like chrome-browser does
[13:56] <penguin42> BluesKaj: But you're saying it's not showing up under devices-sinks?
[13:57] <penguin42> BluesKaj: Even in chrome?
[13:57] <BluesKaj> there no browser links showing anywhere in paman'
[13:57] <penguin42> BluesKaj: OK, but when you go into Devices in paman what does it show under sinks while something is playing?
[14:01] <BluesKaj> penguin42, no change in Devices in paman
[14:02] <penguin42> BluesKaj: Right, but PLEASE tell us what you actually see in Devices-Sinks
[14:03] <BluesKaj> however the clients tab shows the Alsa-firefox plugin
[14:04] <penguin42> BluesKaj: With youtube playing (even muted) I see ALSA plug-in [plugin-container] in clients and then  a #17  ALSA Playback under the sunk in use
[14:08] <BluesKaj> yup ,same here
[14:09] <penguin42> BluesKaj: So if you double click on the #17  a box opens with another volume slider - and a mute - what does it say?
[14:12] <BluesKaj> penguin42, I have no #17 here , dunno what you mean
[14:12] <penguin42> let me take a pic
[14:14] <BluesKaj> i've decided to use chromium for youtube for now because it works ,...FF is obviously missing something with it's flash plugin not working on youtube
[14:14] <penguin42> BluesKaj: http://imagebin.org/272923
[14:14] <penguin42> BluesKaj: You see the #18  ALSA Playback
[14:15] <penguin42> BluesKaj: Do you get that when FF is playing youtube?
[14:15] <penguin42> (the number changes)
[14:18] <BluesKaj> penguin42, ok , FF is playing youtube now , paman shows #29 for alsa playback
[14:20] <BluesKaj> I wish PA didn't exist alsa worked just fine previous to it's introduction
[14:24] <penguin42> no it didn't - things used to break when one thing was playing that stopped something else playing
[14:24] <penguin42> BluesKaj: OK, so double click on that #29
[14:26] <BluesKaj> vol is at 100%
[14:27] <penguin42> oh well - not that then!
[14:27] <penguin42> note how it's got a separate volume there than under the device
[15:40] <BluesKaj> wife can't get youtube audio on her windows 7 pc either , has adobe flash been hacked there I wonder ?
[15:41] <penguin42> haha
[15:42] <IdleOne> BluesKaj: don't know about hacking but I did see a few people on FB complaining that flash was giving them errors and wouldn't let them play games
[15:46] <BluesKaj> well the odd thing is that CBC , CNN , BBC sites that use embedded  flash players work fine
[15:47] <BluesKaj> the HQ sites on youtube also use mp4 , which aren't working in the browsers but work fine off the hdd if DL'd witht the youtube downloader app
[15:48] <penguin42> BluesKaj: You're sure your youtube is still using flash and not html?
[15:48] <BluesKaj> well ,html5 isn't working either :)
[15:48] <BluesKaj> tried it
[15:49] <penguin42> nothing like consistency
[16:00] <BluesKaj> there's also a problem with krunner fialing to launch files and folders , until one has been opened in the terrminal
[16:02] <BluesKaj> BBL
[16:15] <Guest19677> hello, I'm trying to understand what's going on
[16:15] <Guest19677> I had to use nomodeset to get a visual desktop when booting on USB
[16:16] <Guest19677> I'm using the VESA driver. How can I get the correct drivers? I don't see jockey-gtk anywhere, is there a different system?
[16:16] <brainwash> software sources, last tab
[16:17] <loa> hello
[16:17] <loa> i ubdated my ubuntu and it is little strange for me that unity-launcher changed
[16:17] <loa> i just want it to be static at my left side of screen
[16:17] <Guest19677> brainwash, which is the good nividia driver? 319-updates?
[16:18] <loa> now i need to press "win" button to it appear
[16:18] <loa> and all my icons are gone
[16:18] <loa> maybe there is some kind of tweak or so
[16:18] <brainwash> Guest19677: I'm not familiar with nvidia's driver policy, sorry
[16:19] <Guest19677> thanks for telling me where it is at least!
[16:19] <brainwash> test them 1 by 1, trial & error :)
[16:19] <Guest19677> I'm reading one article that suggests that Mir works only with open source drivers.
[16:19] <brainwash> yes, that's right
[16:19] <Guest19677> so I suppose that gives me an incentive to try nouveau
[16:20] <Guest19677> how can i tell if I'm seeing Mir or not?
[16:21] <brainwash> Guest19677: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Mir
[16:21] <brainwash> I haven't tested it yet
[16:22] <Guest19677> i guess i mean xmir. that's the thing on saucy
[16:22] <loa> how i can place launcher statically on my workspace?
[16:23] <Guest19677> loa can you post a picture of what's happening
[16:23] <loa> Guest19677, i have unity-launcher at left side of workspace
[16:23] <loa> no i can't see it
[16:24] <loa> and all my icons are gone
[16:24] <loa> yes i will show you
[16:26] <Guest19677> brainwash, if I want to restart the display to make the new drivers take effect, what's the command? something like services gdm restart?
[16:27] <loa> are your ubuntu looks like this? https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/25725476/screenshot.png
[16:27] <brainwash> Guest19677: or restart gdm
[16:28] <brainwash> Guest19677: service without s
[16:28] <Guest19677> loa: you don't have a unity?
[16:28] <loa> want unity-laucnher how on this screenshot http://i1-news.softpedia-static.com/images/news-700/Ubuntu-12-04-LTS-Alpha-1-Screenshot-Tour.jpg
[16:29] <Guest19677> brainwash, ok i'll try
[16:29] <loa> Guest19677, i don't know
[16:39] <BluesKaj> penguin42, very strange , but several video sites using flash work fine , except youtube does not ... makes me think something is seriously wrong at youtube
[16:40] <penguin42> BluesKaj: Works fine for me
[16:40] <BluesKaj> so it's good to know my setup is ok
[16:44] <BluesKaj> even tried with vpn , in case there was a block of some sort
[16:49] <BluesKaj> penguin42, ok ,could you post a url that works on your setup please ?
[16:50] <penguin42> BluesKaj: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DIMiW9yumI
[16:51] <brainwash> BluesKaj: http://productforums.google.com/forum/#!topic/youtube/ETfCgHO4MhU
[16:52] <penguin42> haha
[17:00] <BluesKaj> 0k thanks , got it ...what pita
[17:01] <BluesKaj> it's still a hack
[17:36] <szymon_g> hi
[17:36] <szymon_g> how can i remove the feature of amazon-suggestions inside the dash?
[17:40] <szymon_g> is it just unity-lens-music or anything else?
[17:43] <bazhang> !info unity-lens-shopping
[17:45] <szymon_g> indeed, it doesn't
[17:45] <szymon_g> i've removed unity-lens-music (which also removed -video) but i still see them (i.e. amazon's suggestions) in the dash
[17:46] <bazhang> that was the one you formerly removed, just checking if it still held/existed
[17:47] <bazhang> I just uncheck that option in system settings on 13.04, not tried 13.10 so cannot say, sorry
[17:48] <szymon_g> oh, so after logging-out the results from amazon will not be showed?
[17:49] <bazhang> I'll upgrade the next week or so, and then I could definitively say, but if you keep asking, say in a few hours, the regulars can tell you
[17:49] <penguin42> hmm amazon stuff now appears to be in unity-webapps-common
[17:50] <bazhang> szymon_g, ^
[17:50] <penguin42> actually no
[17:51] <penguin42> that's the thing for ordering/etc - I don't think that's the search
[17:51] <szymon_g> thanx penguin42
[17:52] <szymon_g> (removed it anyway)
[17:57] <guestghost> hyello
[17:58] <guestghost> I'm having a problem installing this system. When I click the install icon in unity, it doesn't open. Can I try launching the same program in terminal for more output?
[18:16] <guestghost> is it "ubiquity" ?
[18:16] <TJ-> guestghost: Yes
[18:17] <guestghost> its not starting for me
[18:21] <TJ-> guestghost: Open a terminal and start it from there, you may get some clues from warning messages it prints
[18:22] <guestghost> TJ-, i tried that just now. it doesn't print anything. looking for a verbose mode
[18:23] <trism> guestghost: ubiquity --help; I think there is a debug mode with -d
[18:23] <TJ-> guestghost: OK, do "ls -latr /var/log/" and look for the install, upgrade, or ubiquity directory (I forget what it is called!) see if you can find log-files it has written
[18:24] <guestghost> ok I found them
[18:25] <TJ-> guestghost: Yay :) ... hopefully they'll give you a clue
[18:25] <guestghost> yeah, trying it out
[18:26] <guestghost> is gksu deprecated in saucy?
[18:29] <guestghost> Hmm, running gksu ubiquity didn't require a password, but it worked right away. Unlike clicking the icon in unity panel
[18:30] <trism> you don't need to run it with gksu
[18:32] <guestghost> trism, it wouldn't start otherwise, and the log gave me permission denied
[18:32] <guestghost> now "lzma" is running at 100 percent
[18:32] <guestghost> (ubiquity:20752): Pango-WARNING **: error opening config file '/root/.config/pango/pangorc': Permission denied
[19:24] <dmobley88> why would phablet-bootstrap /home/(user)/fusion2/bootstrap delete stuff downloaded from the AOSP?
[19:25] <bibi_> how can i install nvidia driver in xubuntu 13.10? please
[19:30] <k1l> bibi_: install nvidia-current
[19:31] <k1l> bibi_: and be aware, that 13.10 ist still not released.
[19:31] <bibi_> i install beta
[19:31] <k1l> yes, beta doesnt mean final
[19:32] <bibi_> and how i install nvidia curent
[19:33] <BluesKaj> sudo apt-get install nvidia-current
[19:34] <genii> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install build-essential linux-source dkms linux-headers-generic && sudo apt-get install nvidia-current
[19:36] <bibi_> W: Failed to fetch http://ppa.launchpad.net/venerix/pkg/ubuntu/dists/saucy/main/source/Sources  404  Not Found
[19:36] <bibi_> W: Failed to fetch http://ppa.launchpad.net/venerix/pkg/ubuntu/dists/saucy/main/binary-i386/Packages  404  Not Found
[19:36] <bibi_> E: Some index files failed to download. They have been ignored, or old ones used instead.
[19:38] <genii> bibi_: That ppa probably doesn't have Saucy packages yet since it's not in release.
[19:38] <genii> Hm.
[19:40] <Anonynimity> why would phablet-bootstrap /home/(user)/fusion2/bootstrap delete stuff downloaded from the AOSP?
[19:40] <genii> Anonynimity: That's a question for #ubuntu-touch
[19:41] <genii> Also, posting the same question in multiple channels really annoys the helpers.
[19:42] <Anonynimity> well, figured maybe there's someone in those channels (or other people) that may know the answer whom may not be in the other channel
[19:43] <genii> Anonynimity: Best bet is to ask in the most appropriate channel first, wait a while, if no answer there go the next most appropriate channel and say you already asked in #otherchannel first but does anyone here know... etc
[19:44] <Anonynimity> which I have done.
[19:45] <k1l> no, not really
[19:45] <Anonynimity> yes, really
[19:46] <k1l> just stick to the guidelines like every other user. thank you
[19:46] <k1l> !guidelines > Anonynimity
[19:50] <Anonynimity> I was cooking
[19:50] <Anonynimity> and under the guidelines, crossposting is not a crime
[19:51] <bazhang> !crosspost | Anonynimity
[20:10] <IdleOne> If your going to be strict about the interpretation of the guidelines then I must point out that neither #ubuntu or #ubuntu+1 are appropriate channels to ask about ubuntu touch.
[20:10] <IdleOne> you're*
[21:23] <pvh_sa> hey, since I rebooted earlier I've got 2 nm-applet indicators (one showing the traditional list, the other just a list of WiFi points). anyone else see this?