| ming | any way to let the revision begins with 1 except I delete the .dzr directory after i get the source code with "bzr branch" ? | 05:46 |
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| slangasek | ming: no, and as I mentioned the other day, that's the wrong goal. The only way to get a different revision 1 is to /not share history/, which is contrary to the purpose of a distributed VCS | 06:02 |
| infinity | ming: I can't fathom why you'd WANT to reset the revision to 1. | 06:10 |
| ming | I am looking for a job and "they" ask me to do something to test me. | 06:11 |
| infinity | ming: If you're looking for a job with someone who wants you to remove history and attribution from code you fork, you might want to look for a better job. Just sayin'. :P | 06:12 |
| slangasek | except that based on the branches ming linked to earlier, I suspect this is related to UbuntuKylin | 06:13 |
| slangasek | so I think we might want to address these strange branch management practices... :) | 06:13 |
| ming | Yes, you are right... | 06:13 |
| infinity | Indeed we might, then. | 06:13 |
| ming | I send an email to one of them, they say don't need to delete .bzr. | 06:14 |
| ming | I am interesting in open source things. In china, it's hard to get a job like this. | 06:15 |
| ming | but in the project page you can see they have different revison all begin with 1,how they did it without remove .bzr directory? | 06:17 |
| infinity | Example branch? | 06:19 |
| ming | https://code.launchpad.net/chinese-calendar | 06:19 |
| infinity | It looks like instead of branching, people sometimes bzr export, then push it as a new branch, or similar. Which is something approaching insane. | 06:22 |
| infinity | Since one can't then consolidate those branches. And you lose all the history. | 06:22 |
| infinity | So, yeah, as slangasek says, perhaps someone should address this practise, not continue it. | 06:22 |
| sarnold | (but might make some amount of sense if all N people working on the chinese calendar are actually competing against each other rather than cooperating on its construction) | 06:23 |
| infinity | sarnold: It's a project with a free license, and only one "official" version in the archive. Competition aside, they can clearly still yank each other's code, and only one trunk gets uploaded. | 06:24 |
| infinity | So, making merging back and forth harder just seems gratuitously silly. :P | 06:24 |
| sarnold | especially if the winner and the winner's code is intended to be merged back in.. | 06:25 |
| ming | Maybe they think of something else... | 06:27 |
| ming | ‬another question ,how to build a deb and when user install it, an icon displays on user's desktop ? Maybe you think this looks strange too. But for Chinese user,it's a good thing... | 06:34 |
| infinity | ming: If every package did that, users would have hundreds of icons on their desktop. What makes yours more important? | 06:35 |
| infinity | ming: (This is why our current design just plain doesn't do that at all) | 06:35 |
| ming | I know you people think like this. | 06:37 |
| ming | but for China user, if there is no icon on desktop,they will can't find the software... | 06:38 |
| infinity | ming: So, you're implying that every piece of software installed in a default install (like I said, hundreds of applications) should have an icon on the desktop? | 06:39 |
| ming | of course not. | 06:39 |
| infinity | We do highlight a select few productivity apps (libreoffice, firefox..) and put them in the launcher by default as a hint. | 06:40 |
| infinity | Kylin could, of course, hand-pick a few different defaults (and may well do so, I've never installed it and looked). | 06:40 |
| ming | Maybe WPS office and something else. | 06:40 |
| smartboyhw | JackYu, ^ | 06:41 |
| infinity | But individual packages adding themselves to the desktop or launcher leads to the "my application is more important than yours, so I get to be prominent" madness that, if taken to its obvious conclusion, leads to hundreds/thousands of icons. | 06:41 |
| ming | I agree with you as well, but... | 06:41 |
| ming | Now I should know how to do. | 06:42 |
| ming | some important software maybe will do like this to help people use their computer easily. | 06:43 |
| ming | To common user, they will be confused if there is no icon after they installed the software. | 06:46 |
| JackYu | ming, maybe you cloud add a Desktop Entry. | 07:00 |
| ming | i know this. | 07:01 |
| ming | it's a .desktop file. | 07:02 |
| ming | Are u the Administrator of UbuntuKylin Members ? | 07:02 |
| ming | He named JackYu, too. | 07:03 |
| ming | I hava some ideas now. I am reading Debian Policy Manual . | 07:04 |
| JackYu | ming, as far as I know, there is no requirement for revision starting from 1. | 07:07 |
| ming | JackYu, maybe the man I asked mad a slip of the tongue while I think too much about this. | 07:10 |
| JackYu | ming, should be that:). It's strange... | 07:13 |
| JackYu | ming, what's you LP id? | 07:15 |
| ming | JackYu, it's anywnztj. | 07:16 |
| ming | What's wrong? | 07:16 |
| JackYu | ming, nothing, just a look:). | 07:17 |
| ming | JackYu,:-)) | 07:17 |
| JackYu | slangasek, infinity, sarnold, smartboyhw, hi, the UbuntuKylin test dose NOT require the revision restarting from 1. Furthermore, it is not a good answer if doing like that:). | 07:31 |
| smartboyhw | JackYu, heh heh heh | 07:32 |
| JackYu | sorry for the delayed reply, I'm in a conf:( | 07:32 |
| smartboyhw | Conf on Sundays, baed | 07:32 |
| smartboyhw | *bad | 07:32 |
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| maxiaojun | seems like debian is no longer a frontier for foss packaging? | 12:14 |
| maxiaojun | for example https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InternetRelayChat mentions hexchat | 12:17 |
| maxiaojun | fedora and opensuse have hexchat in repo, not the case for debian and ubuntu | 12:18 |
| brainwash | maxiaojun: bug 995018 | 12:20 |
| ubottu | bug 995018 in xchat (Ubuntu) "[needs-packaging] HexChat" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/995018 | 12:20 |
| smartboyhw | There is actually a ITP bug in debian too | 12:27 |
| smartboyhw | Just that nobody touched it | 12:27 |
| smartboyhw | maxiaojun, ^ | 12:28 |
| maxiaojun | seems like debian is no longer a frontier for foss packaging? | 12:30 |
| infinity | ... | 12:30 |
| infinity | Because one thing you want packaged isn't? | 12:30 |
| maxiaojun | examples are many, i just hit this one today though | 12:31 |
| infinity | As it's always been in Debian, things get packaged when someone who's using it wants to package it. | 12:31 |
| infinity | I don't use it, therefor I wouldn't package it. | 12:31 |
| maxiaojun | maybe those want a unix-ish "desktop" still use debian, other desktop users don't | 12:32 |
| maxiaojun | ubuntu has many desktop users, but when people want something packaged, the answer is 'hey, go to debian first' | 12:33 |
| tumbleweed | maxiaojun: that's because packages that are only in Ubuntu tend to go unmaintained | 12:34 |
| infinity | Someone does appear to be maintaining hexchat packages in a PPA, at least. | 12:35 |
| infinity | https://launchpad.net/~gwendal-lebihan-dev/+archive/hexchat-stable | 12:35 |
| infinity | And quite actively so. | 12:35 |
| maxiaojun | tumbleweed: same thing for debian | 12:35 |
| tumbleweed | maxiaojun: no, in Debian packages have maintainers | 12:35 |
| tumbleweed | it's their job to keep a package in shape | 12:35 |
| maxiaojun | tumbleweed: zombie maintainers are many | 12:36 |
| tumbleweed | sure, but at least we know to remove the package, when the maintainer has been gone for a while | 12:36 |
| maxiaojun | tumbleweed: really? | 12:37 |
| tumbleweed | yes | 12:37 |
| tumbleweed | also, it's not like it's any harder to do things in Debian, and you get more users for free | 12:37 |
| maxiaojun | debian stuck with texlive 2009 for ~3 years? have you removed it? | 12:37 |
| tumbleweed | maxiaojun: um, I don't know what makes you think that | 12:38 |
| tumbleweed | http://packages.qa.debian.org/t/texlive-base.html | 12:38 |
| maxiaojun | it seems ok now | 12:38 |
| maxiaojun | but don't you find it strange that u 12.04 has texlive 2009? | 12:39 |
| infinity | Not really. | 12:39 |
| tumbleweed | not particularly. texlive is huge & crazy | 12:39 |
| infinity | Debian had moved on to 2011 at that point, but I chose not to do the transition in the middle of an LTS cycle. | 12:40 |
| cjwatson | sometimes there are good reasons too. groff was at an old version for a long time, but it wasn't because I was inactive | 12:40 |
| infinity | New versions aren't always the right answer to everything. | 12:40 |
| cjwatson | by just pointing at versions without looking at the backstory, you're basically cherry-picking headlines over substance. | 12:41 |
| infinity | Erm, aren't we upstream for software-properties? | 12:41 |
| cjwatson | Pretty sure we are yes | 12:41 |
| infinity | We sure are. | 12:42 |
| * infinity rejects smoser's upload. | 12:42 | |
| maxiaojun | ok, i admit that i didn't check changlog for texlive | 12:42 |
| maxiaojun | http://ftp-master.metadata.debian.org/changelogs//non-free/r/rar/rar_4.2.0-1_changelog | 12:42 |
| infinity | smoser: Can you commit a sane version number to lp:software-properties and reupload? | 12:43 |
| maxiaojun | this one is a real example, rar 4.0b2 4.0b3 broken for many languages that are non-English/non-ASCII/non-OEM-encodable for ~ 2 years | 12:44 |
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| infinity | Okay, massive props for patches with ASCII art in them. | 12:47 |
| infinity | http://launchpadlibrarian.net/152578059/libwacom_0.7-1_0.7-1ubuntu1.diff.gz | 12:47 |
| maxiaojun | another good example is ibus-* packages, do you think LI Daobing, as a maintainer, still cares even a little bit? | 12:48 |
| * infinity goes to bed before maxiaojun decides to point out any packages he maintains. | 12:50 | |
| maxiaojun | I'm not criticizing LI Daobing. I'm criticizing the so-called maintainer system. Basically LI was an advocate of IBus at 2009-2010, made many initial packages. And he didn't do anything after 2010. While he is still listed as maintainer. | 12:52 |
| maxiaojun | http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=tegaki | 12:54 |
| maxiaojun | Have you found that tegaki-zinnia-traditional-chinese comes so late? because LI didn't package it. And no one bothered to fix this. | 12:57 |
| maxiaojun | in fact it is not fixed in debian still http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=tegaki | 12:58 |
| maxiaojun | tumbleweed: you still advocate for the maintainer system? | 13:03 |
| smartboyhw | maxiaojun, I advocate for the team maintainer system... | 13:04 |
| tumbleweed | infinity: double plus good? :P | 13:04 |
| maxiaojun | many debian teams look zombie or half-zombie | 13:05 |
| tumbleweed | maxiaojun: but you can join them, if you want to help. teams almost always welcome any newcomer | 13:05 |
| maxiaojun | btw, is eglibc dead or I'm just to lucky to observe http://www.eglibc.org/ down? | 13:13 |
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| melodie | hi | 20:29 |
| achernya | Hello. Can I help you? | 20:31 |
| melodie | hi achernya nice of you. I was looking if I could see seb128 but he does not seem to be here now | 20:39 |
| melodie | here it says he was the last to work on the package: http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/main/l/lightdm/lightdm_1.2.3-0ubuntu2.3/changelog | 20:40 |
| melodie | and I meet with an issue with the latest lightdm version : however I'm not sure only lightdm is concerned, there is libgobject which goes along | 20:40 |
| melodie | I meant liblightdm-gobject-1-0 | 20:42 |
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| melodie | is the Ubuntu project going to use systemd instead of upstart? | 21:52 |
| tumbleweed | unlikely | 21:54 |
| melodie | how come I've seen packages containing the "systemd" chain character, in the installed packages? | 21:56 |
| tumbleweed | I don't quite understand that, but I assume you're seeing some of the things that we do use, from the systemd source | 21:57 |
| melodie | I am in a wonder about it, also because the gui application for configuring the services in Ubuntu has been broken and left as is in Ubuntu since several years now. :[ | 21:59 |
| melodie | I am looking forward to finding a way to point to some threads which source this statement | 21:59 |
| melodie | gn | 23:33 |
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