[05:46] any way to let the revision begins with 1 except I delete the .dzr directory after i get the source code with "bzr branch" ? [06:02] ming: no, and as I mentioned the other day, that's the wrong goal. The only way to get a different revision 1 is to /not share history/, which is contrary to the purpose of a distributed VCS [06:10] ming: I can't fathom why you'd WANT to reset the revision to 1. [06:11] I am looking for a job and "they" ask me to do something to test me. [06:12] ming: If you're looking for a job with someone who wants you to remove history and attribution from code you fork, you might want to look for a better job. Just sayin'. :P [06:13] except that based on the branches ming linked to earlier, I suspect this is related to UbuntuKylin [06:13] so I think we might want to address these strange branch management practices... :) [06:13] Yes, you are right... [06:13] Indeed we might, then. [06:14] I send an email to one of them, they say don't need to delete .bzr. [06:15] I am interesting in open source things. In china, it's hard to get a job like this. [06:17] but in the project page you can see they have different revison all begin with 1,how they did it without remove .bzr directory? [06:19] Example branch? [06:19] https://code.launchpad.net/chinese-calendar [06:22] It looks like instead of branching, people sometimes bzr export, then push it as a new branch, or similar. Which is something approaching insane. [06:22] Since one can't then consolidate those branches. And you lose all the history. [06:22] So, yeah, as slangasek says, perhaps someone should address this practise, not continue it. [06:23] (but might make some amount of sense if all N people working on the chinese calendar are actually competing against each other rather than cooperating on its construction) [06:24] sarnold: It's a project with a free license, and only one "official" version in the archive. Competition aside, they can clearly still yank each other's code, and only one trunk gets uploaded. [06:24] So, making merging back and forth harder just seems gratuitously silly. :P [06:25] especially if the winner and the winner's code is intended to be merged back in.. [06:27] Maybe they think of something else... [06:34] ‬another question ,how to build a deb and when user install it, an icon displays on user's desktop ? Maybe you think this looks strange too. But for Chinese user,it's a good thing... [06:35] ming: If every package did that, users would have hundreds of icons on their desktop. What makes yours more important? [06:35] ming: (This is why our current design just plain doesn't do that at all) [06:37] I know you people think like this. [06:38] but for China user, if there is no icon on desktop,they will can't find the software... [06:39] ming: So, you're implying that every piece of software installed in a default install (like I said, hundreds of applications) should have an icon on the desktop? [06:39] of course not. [06:40] We do highlight a select few productivity apps (libreoffice, firefox..) and put them in the launcher by default as a hint. [06:40] Kylin could, of course, hand-pick a few different defaults (and may well do so, I've never installed it and looked). [06:40] Maybe WPS office and something else. [06:41] JackYu, ^ [06:41] But individual packages adding themselves to the desktop or launcher leads to the "my application is more important than yours, so I get to be prominent" madness that, if taken to its obvious conclusion, leads to hundreds/thousands of icons. [06:41] I agree with you as well, but... [06:42] Now I should know how to do. [06:43] some important software maybe will do like this to help people use their computer easily. [06:46] To common user, they will be confused if there is no icon after they installed the software. [07:00] ming, maybe you cloud add a Desktop Entry. [07:01] i know this. [07:02] it's a .desktop file. [07:02] Are u the Administrator of UbuntuKylin Members ? [07:03] He named JackYu, too. [07:04] I hava some ideas now. I am reading Debian Policy Manual . [07:07] ming, as far as I know, there is no requirement for revision starting from 1. [07:10] JackYu, maybe the man I asked mad a slip of the tongue while I think too much about this. [07:13] ming, should be that:). It's strange... [07:15] ming, what's you LP id? [07:16] JackYu, it's anywnztj. [07:16] What's wrong? [07:17] ming, nothing, just a look:). [07:17] JackYu,:-)) [07:31] slangasek, infinity, sarnold, smartboyhw, hi, the UbuntuKylin test dose NOT require the revision restarting from 1. Furthermore, it is not a good answer if doing like that:). [07:32] JackYu, heh heh heh [07:32] sorry for the delayed reply, I'm in a conf:( [07:32] Conf on Sundays, baed [07:32] *bad === freeflying_away is now known as freeflying === freeflying is now known as freeflying_away [12:14] seems like debian is no longer a frontier for foss packaging? [12:17] for example https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InternetRelayChat mentions hexchat [12:18] fedora and opensuse have hexchat in repo, not the case for debian and ubuntu [12:20] maxiaojun: bug 995018 [12:20] bug 995018 in xchat (Ubuntu) "[needs-packaging] HexChat" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/995018 [12:27] There is actually a ITP bug in debian too [12:27] Just that nobody touched it [12:28] maxiaojun, ^ [12:30] seems like debian is no longer a frontier for foss packaging? [12:30] ... [12:30] Because one thing you want packaged isn't? [12:31] examples are many, i just hit this one today though [12:31] As it's always been in Debian, things get packaged when someone who's using it wants to package it. [12:31] I don't use it, therefor I wouldn't package it. [12:32] maybe those want a unix-ish "desktop" still use debian, other desktop users don't [12:33] ubuntu has many desktop users, but when people want something packaged, the answer is 'hey, go to debian first' [12:34] maxiaojun: that's because packages that are only in Ubuntu tend to go unmaintained [12:35] Someone does appear to be maintaining hexchat packages in a PPA, at least. [12:35] https://launchpad.net/~gwendal-lebihan-dev/+archive/hexchat-stable [12:35] And quite actively so. [12:35] tumbleweed: same thing for debian [12:35] maxiaojun: no, in Debian packages have maintainers [12:35] it's their job to keep a package in shape [12:36] tumbleweed: zombie maintainers are many [12:36] sure, but at least we know to remove the package, when the maintainer has been gone for a while [12:37] tumbleweed: really? [12:37] yes [12:37] also, it's not like it's any harder to do things in Debian, and you get more users for free [12:37] debian stuck with texlive 2009 for ~3 years? have you removed it? [12:38] maxiaojun: um, I don't know what makes you think that [12:38] http://packages.qa.debian.org/t/texlive-base.html [12:38] it seems ok now [12:39] but don't you find it strange that u 12.04 has texlive 2009? [12:39] Not really. [12:39] not particularly. texlive is huge & crazy [12:40] Debian had moved on to 2011 at that point, but I chose not to do the transition in the middle of an LTS cycle. [12:40] sometimes there are good reasons too. groff was at an old version for a long time, but it wasn't because I was inactive [12:40] New versions aren't always the right answer to everything. [12:41] by just pointing at versions without looking at the backstory, you're basically cherry-picking headlines over substance. [12:41] Erm, aren't we upstream for software-properties? [12:41] Pretty sure we are yes [12:42] We sure are. [12:42] * infinity rejects smoser's upload. [12:42] ok, i admit that i didn't check changlog for texlive [12:42] http://ftp-master.metadata.debian.org/changelogs//non-free/r/rar/rar_4.2.0-1_changelog [12:43] smoser: Can you commit a sane version number to lp:software-properties and reupload? [12:44] this one is a real example, rar 4.0b2 4.0b3 broken for many languages that are non-English/non-ASCII/non-OEM-encodable for ~ 2 years === freeflying_away is now known as freeflying [12:47] Okay, massive props for patches with ASCII art in them. [12:47] http://launchpadlibrarian.net/152578059/libwacom_0.7-1_0.7-1ubuntu1.diff.gz [12:48] another good example is ibus-* packages, do you think LI Daobing, as a maintainer, still cares even a little bit? [12:50] * infinity goes to bed before maxiaojun decides to point out any packages he maintains. [12:52] I'm not criticizing LI Daobing. I'm criticizing the so-called maintainer system. Basically LI was an advocate of IBus at 2009-2010, made many initial packages. And he didn't do anything after 2010. While he is still listed as maintainer. [12:54] http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=tegaki [12:57] Have you found that tegaki-zinnia-traditional-chinese comes so late? because LI didn't package it. And no one bothered to fix this. [12:58] in fact it is not fixed in debian still http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=tegaki [13:03] tumbleweed: you still advocate for the maintainer system? [13:04] maxiaojun, I advocate for the team maintainer system... [13:04] infinity: double plus good? :P [13:05] many debian teams look zombie or half-zombie [13:05] maxiaojun: but you can join them, if you want to help. teams almost always welcome any newcomer [13:13] btw, is eglibc dead or I'm just to lucky to observe http://www.eglibc.org/ down? === freeflying is now known as freeflying_away [20:29] hi [20:31] Hello. Can I help you? [20:39] hi achernya nice of you. I was looking if I could see seb128 but he does not seem to be here now [20:40] here it says he was the last to work on the package: http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/main/l/lightdm/lightdm_1.2.3-0ubuntu2.3/changelog [20:40] and I meet with an issue with the latest lightdm version : however I'm not sure only lightdm is concerned, there is libgobject which goes along [20:42] I meant liblightdm-gobject-1-0 === tkamppeter__ is now known as tkamppeter [21:52] is the Ubuntu project going to use systemd instead of upstart? [21:54] unlikely [21:56] how come I've seen packages containing the "systemd" chain character, in the installed packages? [21:57] I don't quite understand that, but I assume you're seeing some of the things that we do use, from the systemd source [21:59] I am in a wonder about it, also because the gui application for configuring the services in Ubuntu has been broken and left as is in Ubuntu since several years now. :[ [21:59] I am looking forward to finding a way to point to some threads which source this statement [23:33] gn