[06:49] <kbmonkey> morning
[07:30] <nlsthzn> o/
[07:34] <kbmonkey> hallo nlsthzn 
[07:34] <nlsthzn> how are you kbmonkey ?
[07:35] <kbmonkey> fine thanks, and you?
[07:35] <kbmonkey> deciding what I should do today
[07:36] <kbmonkey> ...now that some of the chores are done 
[07:48] <nlsthzn> ah nice... I am at work, half asleep... normal :p
[07:51] <kbmonkey> at work?! shame man, that is not my idea of a weekend :p
[08:06] <nlsthzn> Sunday isn't week-end :p
[08:06] <nlsthzn> also I work shifts so I never have week-ends :/
[08:08] <kbmonkey> oh man, I can't do shift work like that. then again we get so much of b.s. at work I cant imagine
[08:09] <nlsthzn> :)
[08:09] <kbmonkey> I probably would not mind shift work if it was not bad work :)
[08:11] <nlsthzn> dunno, work is work :p
[08:14] <kbmonkey> so very true. unless you are a game tester, then I hate you :p
[08:17] <nlsthzn> that only happens in the movies :p
[08:23] <kbmonkey> I guess :]
[08:23] <kbmonkey> had a mate back when who moved to us and became a game tester for blizzard
[08:24] <kbmonkey> but chances for that happening to us mortals is astronomical
[08:24] <kbmonkey> so... only happens in movies :]
[08:38] <nlsthzn> :D
[08:39] <nlsthzn> I mean :'(
[10:58] <charl_> good afternoon
[10:58] <charl_> hi nlsthzn, kbmonkey, psychicist 
[10:59] <kbmonkey> hi charl_ 
[11:00] <charl_> how's it going
[11:03] <nlsthzn> wazzup!?!?!?!?!?!?!
[11:05] <charl_> lol
[11:06] <kbmonkey> wuzaaaap
[11:07] <nlsthzn> :D
[11:08]  * nlsthzn just enrolled in some coursera courses... again... perhaps I will actual do them this ime
[11:08] <nlsthzn> *time
[11:08] <charl_> so yesterday i looked at netflix and then after that i looked at spotify but that also looks rather disappointing
[11:09] <charl_> you sign up for the first 6 months you get unlimited streaming and then after that it becomes 10 hours per month on a free account
[11:09] <charl_> in the meantime, grooveshark lets you stream unlimited and you don't even need to sign in for it
[11:09] <charl_> and it's globally available while spotify is only available in some parts of the world
[11:10] <charl_> the good thing about spotify however is that at least there *is* actually an officially supported linux version
[11:10] <charl_> if you don't just want to run it in the browser, that is
[11:11] <kbmonkey> charl_, you may want to read this
[11:11] <kbmonkey> http://www.fsf.org/blogs/community/cancel-netflix-if-you-value-freedom
[11:12] <kbmonkey> for your consideration :)
[11:12]  * nlsthzn uses grooveshark... just because it is available...
[11:14]  * nlsthzn doesn't worry to much about fsf... if I did I wouldn't be able to use any computer in good conscious
[11:14] <nlsthzn> except some netbook made in china
[11:14] <nlsthzn> and have people e-mail me webpages
[11:15] <nlsthzn> and page me to use a payphone to talk to them
[11:15] <nlsthzn> and wear a tinfoil hat ;)
[11:17] <kbmonkey> I think it is more about preventing bad things from happening in the future because there is nobody else to resist these digital handcuffs
[11:18]  * nlsthzn just poking fun
[11:19] <nlsthzn> like we were talking yesterday it sucks that WC3 is starting to look to standarize DRM as a standard for HTML5 etc...
[11:19] <kbmonkey> :p you got me!
[11:20] <confluency> *conscience
[11:21] <confluency> </spelling pedantry>
[11:22] <confluency> I think services like Netflix are a step in the right direction in many ways, but it's a pity about the region restrictions, file renting, platform requirements, etc..
[11:23] <charl_> kbmonkey: very good article
[11:23] <confluency> I think large media companies are just too old and paranoid to let go of their counterproductive obsessions about control.
[11:23] <charl_> kbmonkey: my concerns were mainly about platform dependency (gnu/linux not being an officially supported platform) and the quality of video which apparently leaves much to be desired
[11:24] <nlsthzn> confluency, ah yes, that is the word I was looking for :p
[11:24] <confluency> They don't seem to understand that if their products are already being pirated it *doesn't matter* if they let their legitimate customers download DRM-free files, and that by not doing so they are giving their paying customers a worse experience than piracy.
[11:24] <confluency> It's really frustrating.
[11:24] <confluency> But I think we just have to wait for some of these people to die of old age.
[11:25] <kbmonkey> lol, I guess that is one way.
[11:25] <confluency> I find things like the Humble Bundle, and TOR books abandoning DRM, encouraging.
[11:25] <kbmonkey> me too!
[11:27] <charl_> it's been an old discussion about drm and i find it hard to believe that some people are still wanting it
[11:27] <charl_> the problem is that the pay-for sites offer such a bad service (video quality, streaming problems, etc) that it's sending people to pirate content they already paid for
[11:28] <charl_> just because bittorrent is faster, easier and you get better quality material
[11:28] <kbmonkey> I read a good article that explains that DRM is not there to prevent copyright infringement. 
[11:28] <charl_> same goes for nzb of course
[11:28] <kbmonkey> but... I kind find that article right now :p lol
[11:28] <charl_> unfortunate, please post it when you have it
[11:29] <charl_> http://torrentfreak.com/ill-download-game-of-thrones-from-the-pirate-bay-iron-sky-director-tells-hbo-130403/
[11:29] <kbmonkey> if you think of it, the pioneers of pc operating systems did it for hobbies and for learning. it is natural to think they want the same rules to apply for new generations, I like that idea.
[11:30] <nlsthzn> bbl
[11:31] <kbmonkey> no way, that is very funny and interesting! thank you charl_ :)
[11:32] <charl_> it's a common sentiment
[11:32] <charl_> if it was only one person it wouldn't have mattered
[11:35] <kbmonkey> ah I found it, https://www.defectivebydesign.org/faq
[11:36] <kbmonkey> I support business that want to offer good service and Ill pay for it. I just dont want them to limit our freedom to choose how we watch movies, or on which devices. It is a rude policy ;)
[11:37] <charl_> oh yeah i remember that site
[11:38] <charl_> yeah but drm can be so easily stripped away it doesn't matter to any person with some technical skill
[11:38] <charl_> it's just to enslave the masses so to speak
[11:38] <charl_> getting them to pay for the same content over and over and over again
[11:39] <charl_> and then taking them to court and extorting them for more money
[11:39] <kbmonkey> but you see, if you strip that drm away, you are liable for jail. and that is not fair :(
[11:39] <charl_> if it was about author's rights nobody with a clean conscience would be against it
[11:40] <charl_> the only way to rebell against this is to refuse to consume any hollywood content
[11:40] <charl_> and support indie artists
[11:40] <kbmonkey> does hollywood have anything good to offer anymore ;)
[11:40] <charl_> exactly
[11:40] <kbmonkey> I joke
[11:40] <charl_> i look at the films that was released in the past year and i'm not convinced they have either
[11:41] <charl_> oh i was serious though
[11:41] <kbmonkey> you see some movies are crowd funded. very cool.
[11:41] <charl_> that's excellent we should support those
[11:41] <kbmonkey> hang on I think you will like this
[11:44] <kbmonkey> http://half-life.wikia.com/wiki/Half-Life:_Escape_from_City_17
[11:44] <kbmonkey> a crowd funded short film
[11:45] <kbmonkey> the quality of it verus how much they spent is unbelievable!
[11:46] <kbmonkey> you can see crowd funding is still new and needs lots of attention. 
[11:46] <charl_> very nice, this is what i'm talking about
[11:47] <charl_> i don't know anything about half life though but this is positive
[11:49] <charl_> in NL there is this: http://www.filmfonds.nl/
[11:49] <charl_> i am trying to get a list of movies they backed
[11:49] <charl_> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netherlands_Film_Fund
[11:50] <charl_> there are some smaller things but i can't find it now
[11:50] <kbmonkey> oh cool, I will look at that!
[11:51] <kbmonkey> NL is a first world country yes?
[11:51] <charl_> eh, it's a european country... ?
[11:51] <kbmonkey> usually arts and culture are encouraged by funding when econimic status reaches a certain balance
[11:52] <kbmonkey> *economic
[11:52] <kbmonkey> canada does the same. I think it is nice.
[11:53] <charl_> yeah but europe and canada is also relatively socialist compared to the USA
[11:53] <charl_> *are
[11:56] <kbmonkey> how true!
[11:57] <kbmonkey> if I had any form of enough money I would fund people to make creative digital art installations and games. because that is exactly what I like to do.
[11:57] <charl_> sounds cool
[11:58] <kbmonkey> Maaz, coffee on
[11:58]  * Maaz washes some mugs
[11:59] <charl_> Maaz: coffee please
[11:59] <Maaz> charl_: Sure
[12:02] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for kbmonkey and charl_!
[12:02] <charl_> Maaz: thanks
[12:03] <Maaz> charl_: Sure
[12:04] <charl_> wb nlsthzn 
[12:04] <nlsthzn> thx :)
[12:06] <charl_> and there he goes again
[12:07] <charl_> i'm off too, bbl
[12:10] <kbmonkey> ciao ciao!
[13:38] <nlsthzn> annoying when you share a common PC and people just log in and out >.<
[14:04] <kbmonkey> well if they did not log out they would get baggy pantsed, right? >.<
[14:08] <nlsthzn> >.<
[14:11] <kbmonkey> lol
[14:18] <nlsthzn> when I get home later I have to start figuring out how to get my screen to its native resolution :/ - HD is fun but Full HD is funner :p
[14:31] <nlsthzn> cheers
[14:51] <Kilos> afternoon superfly and others
[14:52] <superfly> hi Kilos
[15:03] <kbmonkey> hello kilos and superfly
[15:03] <Kilos> hi kbmonkey
[15:03]  * superfly goes out to wash his car
[15:03] <superfly> hi kbmonkey
[15:03] <kbmonkey> happy washing
[15:49]  * Kilos hates washing cars. better to pray for rain
[15:54] <kbmonkey> ha ha Kilos 
[15:57] <kbmonkey> what is for dinner Kilos ?
[15:58] <kbmonkey> I go make a coffee quickly
[15:58] <kbmonkey> got some curry 
[15:58] <Kilos> we got pot roast and baked potatoes an beetroot salad and coleslaw
[15:58] <Kilos> you got curry?
[15:59] <Kilos> Maaz: whats for supper
[15:59] <Maaz> A nice thick homemade  oxtail and vegetable soup for starters and then Spaghetti bolognaise
[16:05] <kbmonkey> the bot only has one menu selection 
[16:05] <kbmonkey> that sound very good Kilos ! I am jealous!
[16:05] <Kilos> sorry. sis spoiling us
[16:05] <kbmonkey> it is a home made vegetable curry with sambals
[16:08] <Kilos> curry is good, i can live on curry everyday
[16:26] <charl_> hi Kilos 
[16:26] <Kilos> hi charl_
[16:35] <nuvolari> o/ hi oom Kilos :)
[16:35] <nuvolari> hello's kbmonkey, charl_ 
[16:35] <Kilos> lo nuvolari hoe gaan dit
[16:36] <nuvolari> dit gaan goed dankie oom, en daar?
[16:36] <Kilos> goed ook dankie
[16:47] <nuvolari> ugh :-/ bad support week
[16:47] <nuvolari> ek kan nie onthou hoe lank terug ek soveel moes doen nie
[17:36] <charl_> hi nuvolari 
[18:03] <Kilos> eish nuvolari dis nou al 6 maande wat  jy so se
[18:05] <Kilos> jy moet n appie kry
[19:16] <charl_> Kilos: how's it going, you've been scarce today
[19:16] <charl_> still having drive problems?
[19:19] <Kilos> yeah charl_i been trying to fix the big one by marking bad blocks and have intermittent success
[19:20] <Kilos> weird prob here. need to reset bios to fail safe and then set it up everytime otherwise it dont see the sata drive
[19:20] <Kilos> also been resting lots
[19:20] <Kilos> and ready for bed again
[19:20] <Kilos> so night all. sleep tight