[03:41] Can anybody recall the main bug for the volume indicator not showing? We got another one to mark as a duplicate and at this hour of night I can't remember the right number for the main bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1235843 [03:41] Ubuntu bug 1235843 in Ubuntu "xfce volume icon stuck at mute" [Undecided,New] [05:27] Has anyone else had thunar randomly crash when clicking the "up one level" button? Doesn't happen every time. [06:23] skellat: that dupe is duped now [10:21] I can confirm bug 1235836 [10:21] bug 1235836 in Ubuntu "xubuntu 13.10 can't enter password" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1235836 [10:46] brainwash: checking in a vm now - if I get the same I'll do a bug report for it [10:47] no idea what package it would be though [10:47] cryptsetup, I edited the affected package [10:47] ok - I'll check and confirm it too [10:48] probably needs to be checked by other flavours as well [10:49] I noticed this bug like 1 week ago when installing xubuntu daily, tried different setup options and couldn't get the password prompt for encrypted disk to accept any keyboard input [10:49] (didn't bother to file a bug report back then) [10:49] input after install? [10:50] yes, I think the system did freeze and needed to be restarted the ugly way [10:50] usually you don't see any chars when typing the password, right? [10:51] I'd assume you saw * [10:52] maybe something hardware specific [10:52] seems there's no encrypted testcases for anyone [10:53] this is actually the first report mentioning such an issue [10:54] I'll try with ubuntu as well [10:54] eventually [10:55] could be plymouth (theme) related.. [10:55] sda5_crypt setup successful [10:55] yea, thanks for testing this setup option [10:56] fine here - no problems at all with today's iso [10:57] so it's a rare case [10:57] booting ubuntu iso to install now [10:58] brainwash: also - did you use the same iso as the reporter? [10:58] but still, you are only testing it "virtually" [10:58] yep [10:58] no [10:59] I used the daily iso image from 1 week back [10:59] ok - so can you try with todays? [11:00] can't imagine it's changed though [11:01] and I doubt if it's xubuntu specific either if it is there [11:02] if it's somehow caused by xubuntu's plymouth theme, it would be :D [11:02] it's a duplicate bug by the way [11:02] ish [11:03] link [11:03] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cryptsetup/+bug/1225136 [11:03] Ubuntu bug 1225136 in cryptsetup (Ubuntu) "13.10 regression: No password asked for encrypted partitions during boot" [Undecided,New] [11:03] bet they're related [11:05] yea.. no.. hard to tell =S [11:05] :) [11:06] not something we should worry about though imo [11:06] yes, I don't feel like testing it today.. or tomorrow [11:08] normally you would expect a bug report with like 200+ heat [11:08] if something is wrong [11:08] unless it is new - and no-one tests it and no-one notices :) [11:09] there are no manual testcases looking at encrypted setups - not sure about the auto stuff [11:10] ubuntu is fine as well [11:10] forgetting all about that conversation now :p [11:11] so it's just another bug report nobody cares about :) [11:11] :) [11:12] assuming that tomorrow I'm not covering the skiver again at work I'll have a go on hardware [11:16] are there any bugs left which need some attention? not counting the indicator related ones [11:17] as far as I know all the ones we've been talking about are all in progress [11:18] not seen anything new, but I've not been watching the tracker for a few days - r/l things [11:18] brainwash: I keep pinging micahg and mr_pouit to merge those fixes so we can do an upload [11:19] elfy: ok :) [11:19] bluesabre: hopefully "soon" [11:20] that's what I've been hoping [11:20] so there will be some time left to test the final version [11:20] those two fixes only fix some minor things, so it doesn't really matter [11:20] the main thing now is the indicators [11:21] and has anybody had an update notification while running saucy? [11:21] nope [11:22] update mangler runs and opens itself - but no notifications - that said I've got the gtk3 ones here [11:23] I'm going to file a bug for that [11:23] because if it isnt fixed before release, fixes won't be delivered to anybody but the apt-wise [11:23] bluesabre: which indicators against? [11:24] I don't understand the question [11:24] bluesabre: and I am informed of updates - update mangler opens [11:24] bluesabre: sorry - I mean gtk3 [11:24] it does open (and show a gui?) [11:24] ? [11:24] yes [11:25] update mangler - opens and shows updates [11:25] there is no notification in the panel though [11:25] without you personally opening the application? [11:25] yea [11:25] cool [11:25] not a problem then [11:26] that works properly - just no notification itself [11:27] as far as I'm concerned the 2 are different things [11:28] I've seen it once, the applet.. it told me to upgrade one downgraded package [11:28] biab [12:28] elfy: bug 1206739 is still open, caused by the new glib version shipped by saucy [12:28] bug 1206739 in xfce4-terminal (Ubuntu) "xfce4-terminal crashed with SIGSEGV in magazine_chain_pop_head()" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1206739 [12:28] brainwash: thanks for all the debugging around appfinder [12:30] ochosi: didn't ping nick yet, because I somewhat expect a response like "use the upstream version" [12:30] hehe, yeah [12:30] well we can ask him to do a release [12:30] at least a bugfix release [12:31] with the gdbus migration patch, which is not included in the saucy build (other upstream patches are though) [12:31] right [12:31] then we could actually also ask that patch to be included in 13.10 [12:32] but we'd need to get someone to do a debdiff, then find an uploader [12:32] * ochosi doesn't really know how to do proper debdiffs [12:32] needs to be tested, that commit I mean.. I just compiled the upstream version and assume that the gdbus migration is doing the magic [12:33] ah [12:33] ok [12:33] i guess apt-get source xfce4-appfinder -> apply the patch -> see if it works would be the way to go then [12:34] yea, I'll test it [12:34] cool thanks [14:16] ochosi: yes, it's the commit (last comment bug 1048805) [14:16] bug 1048805 in xfce4-appfinder (Ubuntu) "xfce4-appfinder launches very slowly" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1048805 [14:18] however, there is an easy workaround, if someone is affected... and almost nobody is [14:19] so include the commit and backport it? [14:19] quantal/raring/sauce [14:19] y [14:21] (you should also compile it with the gdbus patch to verify it) [19:53] Guys, it looks like the version of libindicator required by new xfce4-indicator-plugin has not yet been released. [19:54] The most recent version (12.10.2) is missing indicator-ng.h API. [19:56] Yes, but that's Ubuntu for you, rolling a newer version in distro than actually released. [19:57] The question is: do you plan a release in a near future or should I temporarily remove support for IndicatorNg? [19:57] As it is now, xfce4-indicator-plugin does not compile on non-ubuntu systems [19:59] micahg was still going to try and ship it in Saucy, but failing that he most likely will put them in backports. [20:02] Might be able to get the Ayatana project to actually release something, no? [20:03] That would be helpful, especially when they make such a big change to the API. [20:04] xfce4-indicator-plugin also depends on unreleased xfce4-panel so the blame is partly on me - I shouldn't have made a release before all dependencies are released. [20:15] Eh, last I saw in #xfce-dev, Nick was going to be looking at merging it in soon, no? [20:43] brainwash: gosh, that scrollwheel-bug is really annoying... [20:44] andrzejr: well i guess in that case i have to take the blame for the release, cause i kinda talked you into it [20:44] but i still think that that's no biggy [20:44] getting the ayatana folks to do a release of libindicator makes sense anyway [20:44] maybe we can send one of our thugs (brainwash?) [20:55] ochosi: still need to talk with nick... [20:55] bout what? [20:55] appfinder? [20:56] ochosi: maybe, and about xfce4-terminal segfaulting [20:56] right [20:56] the terminal isn't ubuntu-specific? [20:56] ochosi: what about the scrollwhell-bug? it's caused by the overlay scrollbar [20:56] yeah, but still, it's annoying [20:57] ochosi: appears to be glib 2.37+ specific or something like that [20:57] wait, no need to prepend your nick all the time :D [20:57] thanks ;) [20:58] well an upstream-bugreport would be a good first step for the terminal i guess [20:58] so why is it annoying? xubuntu users usually don't use the overlay scrollbar [20:58] workaround is easy too, simply export the env var [20:59] yeah, but it's weird that it breaks such basic functionality [21:00] every theme is affected, so... should the xubuntu session set the env var? [21:00] i guess, i'm not sure why the scrollbars don't add the env-var themselves [21:01] it does work in unity [21:01] yeah, wonder whether they set the env_var in the session [21:01] maybe it does get set somewhere [21:02] btw, i'll flip the switch locally in greybird for the scrollbars [21:02] if i don't see any breaking websites anymore, i'll push it [21:02] I didn't do any research about this env var, can't even recall it's name :) [21:02] nice [21:03] btw did you compile the appfinder with the mentioned commit? [21:04] not yet, had a "busy" sunday [21:04] brb [21:05] maybe it can be included, not sure how much work it would cause for the package maintainer(s) [21:06] well the main issue is creating the debdiff [21:06] an uploader could be found i guess [21:07] only for 13.10, or do you also consider updating the packages for quantal and raring? [21:07] well mostly for 13.10 [21:07] and maybe 12.04, because it's the lts [21:07] but to me it's not a major issue [21:07] it does not affect xfce 4.8 [21:08] as long as we get a new version in 14.04 i'm fine [21:08] right [21:08] it mainly affects both of us :D [21:08] hehe [21:08] trueish [21:09] for that, the workaround is sufficient [21:09] so yeah, i guess i'd focus on more important stuff for now [21:10] gotta fix orion for the gtk3 indicators [21:10] do you even use the appfinder (regularly)? I don't [21:10] yeah, i do [21:10] in the xfrun mode [21:10] it's quite handy with the custom shortcuts you can make [21:11] currently I'm trying to solve this one bug 1234469 [21:11] bug 1234469 in network-manager (Ubuntu) "Network does not come up after resuming from suspend." [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1234469 [21:14] interesting, i think i've experienced that one before [21:16] I did encounter it 3 times today (3x long term sleep) [21:17] unlucky I guess, usually it happens very rarely [21:18] i'm currently trying to reproduce one of my issues in parole [21:18] really hope that one's fixed [21:18] dvd playback? [21:19] I recall reading about a dvd playback issue [21:22] ochosi: does a lp bug report exist which addresses the scroll-wheel issue? [21:22] only found the arch one [21:25] not sure [21:25] i've never seen a bugreport about that [21:25] and in parole i mostly wanna see the mouse-cursor go away always in fullscreen mode [21:25] it should work though [21:26] one of our few gtk3 blockers [21:27] scroll-wheel issue maybe lightdm-gtk-greeter releated? [21:27] after the switch to gtk3 [21:28] bug 1024482 [21:28] bug 1024482 in lightdm (Ubuntu) "Mouse cursor theme does not change from default after login" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1024482 [21:30] the scroll-wheel issue? [21:30] read the last comments [21:31] hm i see [21:32] not sure why this is not assigned to the greeter then [21:32] ah, right [21:32] it does seem to be lightdm's fault [21:32] still not sure what this means, didn't read the bug report properly [21:33] is the report useful at all? [21:39] i'll have to check tomorrow, am a bit braindead already tonight [21:45] I'll create a bug report and link the arch linux and upstream one [21:47] cool [21:55] ochosi: scroll-wheel in gedit works in unity, gnome3 and even in lxde o.O [21:57] then it'd be interesting to know what lxde does.. [22:00] works in enlightenment too [22:02] and the last comments in the arch bug report mention Xfce [22:05] hmm [22:13] I'm trying to replace xfwm4 with mutter... but the session freezes [22:14] strange, i tried gala a while back, that worked [22:17] bingo, the scroll-wheel issue is caused by xfwm4, replaced it temporary by openbox and scrolling started to work in gedit [22:18] :/ [22:18] so i guess we'd have to do a xubuntu-specific xfwm4 patch [22:20] let the overlay scrollbar users suffer :P [22:22] hehe [22:22] yeah possible [22:22] hope you included all your findings in the bugreport [22:22] yea, I'll file it tomorrow-ish [22:23] nice [22:23] would it be possible to add the workaround? or should it be a patch for xfwm4? [22:25] well, the proper solution seems to be the latter [22:26] even upstream? [22:26] (first someone actually has to write a patch) [22:27] well the question is whether upstream would accept a patch that is kinda distro-specific [22:28] don't think the overlay-scrollbars are available anywhere else [22:29] arch users apparently use them too