[16:33] <mdeslaur> \o
[16:33] <jdstrand> hi!
[16:33] <jdstrand> #startmeeting
[16:33] <meetingology> Meeting started Mon Oct  7 16:33:43 2013 UTC.  The chair is jdstrand. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[16:33] <jdstrand> The meeting agenda can be found at:
[16:33] <jdstrand> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/Meeting
[16:34] <jdstrand> [TOPIC] Announcements
[16:34] <jdstrand> Thanks to Scott Kitterman (ScottK) who provided debdiffs for libkdcraw for quantal and raring. Your work is very much appreciated and will keep Ubuntu users secure. Great job! :)
[16:34] <jdstrand> [TOPIC] Weekly stand-up report
[16:34] <jdstrand> I'll go first
[16:34] <jdstrand> I'm on triage this week
[16:34] <jdstrand> I'm also coordinating landings for kernel, apparmor, apparmor-easyprof-ubuntu, dbus, et al
[16:34] <jdstrand> (which includes testing)
[16:35] <jdstrand> I need to followup on various application-confinement bugs
[16:35] <jdstrand> and should get back to some updates this week
[16:35] <jdstrand> mdeslaur: you're up
[16:35] <mdeslaur> I'm on community this week
[16:35] <mdeslaur> and am going down the CVE list, as usual
[16:36] <mdeslaur> On Friday, I'm patch piloting
[16:36] <mdeslaur> that's about it
[16:36] <mdeslaur> sbeattie: you're up
[16:36] <sbeattie> I'm on apparmor again this week
[16:36] <sbeattie> I'm currently trying to fight off a cold and not having a working broadband line
[16:37] <sbeattie> For apparmor, I'm again trying to focus on getting work off of jjohansen's plate
[16:37] <sbeattie> that's pretty much it for me.
[16:37] <sbeattie> tyhicks: tag
[16:37] <tyhicks> I'm focusing on apparmor as well
[16:37] <tyhicks> I'm finishing up testing for pending apparmor, dbus, and evince uploads
[16:38] <tyhicks> well, apparmor is the only one that still has testing to do
[16:38] <tyhicks> after that, I'll switch to either helping with IPC or getting familiar with the kdbus code
[16:38] <jdstrand> tyhicks, jjohansen: how different is the kernel that we gave to the kernel team today vs the one I was testing last week?
[16:38] <tyhicks> I have a short week this week - off on Friday
[16:39] <tyhicks> I haven't been making kernel changes
[16:39]  * tyhicks defers to jjohansen 
[16:40] <jdstrand> oh, I think jjohansen may not be here now
[16:40] <jdstrand> sarnold: you're up
[16:40] <tyhicks> well the thought was that the changes wouldn't affect policy at all
[16:41] <tyhicks> so if your focus was on testing userspace, then the new kernel shouldn't affect that
[16:41] <jdstrand> tyhicks: right, I was wondering not from a policy standpoint, but from a testing standpoint, the kernel team suggested it was quite a bit bigger
[16:41] <tyhicks> I glanced at the patches last night, but don't know/remember enough to comment on their size
[16:42] <jdstrand> tyhicks: so I don't want for you to redo all your tests, I just want to make sure we feel good about that kernel
[16:42] <tyhicks> I think there were two small ones (a couple lines each) and one larger one
[16:42] <tyhicks> jdstrand: ack - that's my thinking, as well
[16:43] <sarnold> I'm in the happy place this week, still doing MIR audits; I expect to finish Mir today and start on opus or open-vm-tools. So far Mir is looking pretty good. :)
[16:43] <mdeslaur> cool
[16:43] <sarnold> I think that's it for me, chrisccoulson?
[16:44] <chrisccoulson> hi :)
[16:44] <chrisccoulson> that's easy for me - I'm continuing to work on my actions for oxide
[16:44] <chrisccoulson> there was a chromium release last week. hopefully we'll be updating it this week ;)
[16:45] <mdeslaur> heh :)
[16:45] <chrisccoulson> i think that's it for me :)
[16:45] <jdstrand> chrisccoulson: the oxide actions are finishing out the testsuite?
[16:45] <chrisccoulson> oh, and i will finally publish a blog post about oxide (i've been working on it again this afternoon)
[16:45] <jdstrand> then moving on to the other work items?
[16:45] <jdstrand> nice
[16:45] <chrisccoulson> jdstrand, i've got quite a lot of tests done now. there's still more i can add, but i'm going to do that alongside my other actions
[16:46] <jdstrand> chrisccoulson: oh, nice :)
[16:46] <chrisccoulson> it can get tedious when just working on tests, so i'm going to do other stuff in parallel now
[16:46] <chrisccoulson> it's in pretty good shape
[16:46] <jdstrand> sbeattie: I meant to ask-- specifics on taking stuff off jj's plate> IPC and tests?
[16:46] <jdstrand> chrisccoulson: yeah, sounds fine, thanks!
[16:46] <sbeattie> jdstrand: yeah
[16:47] <jdstrand> sbeattie: I don't know how much jjohansen was able to look at the larger IPC (cause of the kernel updates for saucy)
[16:48] <jdstrand> sbeattie: can you comment on if we are still on track for the larger IPC patches to come soonish after 13.10?
[16:48] <jdstrand> sbeattie: if not, I'll ask jjohansen when he is back
[16:48] <sbeattie> jdstrand: jjohansen has the better grasp of that, I think.
[16:49] <jdstrand> ok,sure
[16:49] <jdstrand> sbeattie: thanks
[16:49] <jdstrand> [TOPIC] Highlighted packages
[16:49] <jdstrand> The Ubuntu Security team will highlight some community-supported packages that might be good candidates for updating and or triaging. If you would like to help Ubuntu and not sure where to start, this is a great way to do so.
[16:49] <jdstrand> See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/UpdateProcedures for details and if you have any questions, feel free to ask in #ubuntu-security. To find out other ways of helping out, please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/GettingInvolved.
[16:49] <jdstrand> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/pyfribidi.html
[16:49] <jdstrand> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/prewikka.html
[16:49] <jdstrand> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/phpldapadmin.html
[16:49] <jdstrand> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/openarena.html
[16:49] <jdstrand> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/libapache2-mod-auth-openid.html
[16:49] <jdstrand> [TOPIC] Miscellaneous and Questions
[16:49] <jdstrand> Does anyone have any other questions or items to discuss?
[16:56] <jdstrand> mdeslaur, sbeattie, tyhicks, sarnold, chrisccoulson: thanks!
[16:56] <jdstrand> #endmeeting
[16:56] <meetingology> Meeting ended Mon Oct  7 16:56:15 2013 UTC.
[16:56] <meetingology> Minutes (wiki):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2013/ubuntu-meeting.2013-10-07-16.33.moin.txt
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[16:56] <sarnold> thanks jdstrand :)
[16:56] <sbeattie> jdstrand: thanks
[16:56] <tyhicks> thanks!
[16:57] <mdeslaur> thanks jdstrand!
[19:05] <arges> stgraber: hi. is there a DMB meeting now?
[19:06] <stgraber> yep, not sure who's the chair though
[19:06] <stgraber> !dmb-ping
[19:06] <stgraber> who's chairing?
[19:09] <stgraber> well, let's start with something else, who's around? :)
[19:10] <arges> o/
[19:10] <stgraber> hey micahg-work
[19:11] <tumbleweed> o/
[19:11] <stgraber> Laney: around?
[19:12] <stgraber> arges: (trying to get 4 members otherwise we can't vote so it'd make the meeting pretty much pointless)
[19:12] <arges> stgraber: ok
[19:14] <Laney> stgraber: crap sorry, off-by-one error
[19:14] <Laney> here now
[19:14] <stgraber> hey Laney
[19:15] <stgraber> Laney: so if the wiki is to be trusted, you're supposed to be the chair (since Barry and Benjamin both said they can't attend)
[19:15] <Laney> ok
[19:15] <Laney> do we have enough people?
[19:15] <stgraber> Laney: barely but yes (the two of us, micahg-work and tumbleweed)
[19:15] <Laney> micahg-work hasn't outed himself in public :P
[19:16] <Laney> oh well
[19:16] <Laney> #startmeeting DMB
[19:16] <meetingology> Meeting started Mon Oct  7 19:16:37 2013 UTC.  The chair is Laney. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[19:16] <Laney> #topic Ubuntu Core Developer Applications
[19:17] <Laney> (no actions or anything, straight into it)
[19:17] <Laney> #subtopic Chris J Arges
[19:17] <Laney> hello arges!
[19:17] <arges> o/
[19:17] <Laney> care to give us a quick introduction for the history books?
[19:17] <arges> Sure
[19:18] <arges> So I'm been an Ubuntu user since 06. And for the last two years I've been fixing Ubuntu bugs as a full-time job working in canonical technical services.
[19:19] <arges> I mainly work on kernel bugs, but I also fix userspace packages as well.
[19:19] <Laney> thanks
[19:19] <Laney> http://ubuntu-dev.alioth.debian.org/cgi-bin/ubuntu-sponsorships.cgi?render=html&sponsor=*&sponsor_search=name&sponsoree=Chris+J+Arges&sponsoree_search=name
[19:19] <arges> I'm always trying to make sure our stable releases continue to be awesome, and I also run teh latest devel release to fix bugs as I hit them as well.
[19:19] <arges> .
[19:20] <Laney> Looks like a pretty good list
[19:20] <Laney> you should have gotten infinity to advocate you :P
[19:20] <arges> Laney: i did e-mail him.
[19:20] <arges> but I'm guessing its crunch time so he may have been busy
[19:22] <Laney> fair enough
[19:26] <Laney> so
[19:27] <Laney> did you find the plus one team provided you with good experience for this application?
[19:27] <arges> Laney: absoultely.
[19:28] <arges> It was fun fixing FTBFS,whilst learning proper packaging, and all the variables needed to fix a wide range of packages
[19:28] <Laney> great, I'm glad it's serving that part of its purpose well
[19:29] <Laney> if accepted, is there any particular area you will concentrate on?
[19:29] <Laney> maybe outside of your work if that answer will be uninteresting ;-)
[19:30] <arges> I'll continue to fix a wide range of bugs for stable releases, but my fxies will most likely be in the server/cloud
[19:30] <arges> I also will fix things as I use them, so I record audio on Ubuntu and like to make sure usbaudio / jack /ardour work well
[19:31]  * Laney nods
[19:31] <Laney> stgraber has a q
[19:31] <stgraber> arges: hi, so how familiar are you with the Ubuntu release process? For example, can you describe what state the Ubuntu archive currently is in, how long it'll be in that state and what's expected from uploaders at this time?
[19:32] <arges> stgraber: sure. we are after the kernel freeze and final beta freeze. The final freeze is on oct 10th and the release is the 17th
[19:32] <arges> at this point only release-critical bugs / security-critical bugs will be fixed
[19:33] <arges> If there is an exceptional case, it can be considered, but we obviously want to make sure we don't introduce any last minute regressions / etc
[19:34] <stgraber> is there a known exception to that rule you know of? (not really expecting you too, just wondering how much side noise you've heard ;))
[19:35] <arges> You mean specifically and recently?
[19:35] <stgraber> yep, new for this cycle
[19:36] <arges> stgraber: was there something with the ubuntu touch project that changed recently?
[19:36] <stgraber> yep, touch packages that are only seeded on the touch images and nowhere else have a pretty broad freeze exception and so are still getting feature updates this late in the cycle
[19:37] <stgraber> do you know how to easily check if a package is seeded and so will affect an official Ubuntu image?
[19:38] <arges> stgraber: i believe there is a project that does this
[19:38] <arges> seeded-in-ubuntu
[19:38] <stgraber> are you subscribed to ubuntu-devel-announce? (we seem to have forgotten to ask that one lately...)
[19:39] <arges> stgraber: no i am not, but will subscribe now
[19:39] <stgraber> thanks :)
[19:39] <stgraber> that's all I've got, next!
[19:39] <arges> thanks
[19:39] <Laney> micahg-work: go
[19:40] <micahg-work> arges, have you ever done a library transition in the archive?
[19:40] <arges> micahg-work: i've done some fixes for multi-arch python, but nothing too major
[19:41] <micahg-work> arges, I'm referring to a SONAME bump or something similar
[19:42] <arges> micahg-work: no i haven't had the chance to fix something like that. but its something I can learn and handle with help from mentors
[19:44] <micahg-work> arges, do you have a general idea of how something like that would work
[19:45] <arges> micahg-work: sure.
[19:46] <arges> so first ensure the library builds properly with the bump, so we'll get something like /usr/lib/libblah.so.X.Y
[19:47] <arges> then we need to make sure any packages that depend on that library build properly and can pick up that new library
[19:47] <arges> if the packages that depend on the library have any version requirements we may need to modify them to use the newer library
[19:48] <arges> so then you'd go through all the rdepends library packages and ensure they build correctly and also pass tests/QA/etc
[19:50] <arges> there could be some gotcahs because function names could have changed as well
[19:50] <arges> ..
[19:51] <micahg-work> arges, thanks, that was nicely detailed (and the initial rebuild test is always a good thing to do)
[19:51] <micahg-work> rdepend rebuild I meant
[19:52] <arges> micahg-work: thanks
[19:52] <Laney> do you know of any process improvement that was made recently which makes ongoing transitions safer for users of the development release?
[19:53] <arges> Laney: i think there is a few
[19:53] <arges> - autopkgtests and running them when a new package is uploaded
[19:54] <arges> - improved qa, more continuous testing
[19:55] <arges> Hmm i was going something else
[19:55] <Laney> Let me interrupt, because we're running short on time - sorry
[19:55] <arges> Sure
[19:55] <Laney> I was mainly thinking of proposed-migration (britney)
[19:55] <arges> Ojk
[19:55] <arges> Ok
[19:55] <Laney> it makes sure that packages don't move to the main release until transitions are done
[19:55] <Laney> (simplified description)
[19:55] <Laney> tumbleweed: you had something?
[19:56] <tumbleweed> yeah
[19:56] <tumbleweed> arges: I don't see any sync  in the sponsorship miner, or your LP page
[19:56] <tumbleweed> *syncs
[19:56] <tumbleweed> have you worked much with Debian?
[19:56] <arges> tumbleweed: I have done a debian sync... let me find that example
[19:57] <arges> tumbleweed: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/iptables/1.4.18-1ubuntu1
[19:57] <arges> I think there may be two, but this is the first one i could finmd
[19:57] <tumbleweed> ubuntu1 doesn't soound like a sync
[19:57]  * tumbleweed looks
[19:57] <tumbleweed> ah, it's a merge
[19:57] <arges> Oh you said sync
[19:57] <arges> sorry
[19:58] <arges> No I haven't done a debian sync, just debian merges
[19:58] <tumbleweed> I suppose many of the packages you've touched have Ubuntu deltas
[19:58] <tumbleweed> right, so you know to look for merges on packages you touched last
[19:58] <arges> Yup! the merge o matic page
[19:58] <tumbleweed> there's also a handy grep-merges tool
[19:58] <arges> ah nice!
[19:59] <arges> I also regarding debian, I do try and submit my fixes to debian using 'submittodebian' when applicable to ensure we reduce our delta with debian
[19:59] <tumbleweed> ok
[19:59] <tumbleweed> so you've dealt with the Debian BTS
[19:59] <arges> Yes
[20:00] <tumbleweed> I think that answers everything I have there
[20:00] <tumbleweed> thanks
[20:00] <arges> thanks
[20:00] <Laney> cheers
[20:00] <Laney> stgraber: micahg-work: got anything final?
[20:00] <Laney> or vote?
[20:00] <stgraber> I'm ready to vote
[20:00] <micahg-work> I think that covered everything
[20:00] <Laney> #vote Should Chris J Arges join ubuntu-core-dev?
[20:00] <meetingology> Please vote on: Should Chris J Arges join ubuntu-core-dev?
[20:00] <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me)
[20:00] <Laney> +1
[20:00] <meetingology> +1 received from Laney
[20:00] <stgraber> +1
[20:00] <meetingology> +1 received from stgraber
[20:00] <tumbleweed> +1
[20:00] <meetingology> +1 received from tumbleweed
[20:01] <micahg-work> +1 good work thusfar, good understanding of process, don't be afraid to ask questions later :)
[20:01] <meetingology> +1 good work thusfar, good understanding of process, don't be afraid to ask questions later :) received from micahg-work
[20:01] <Laney> #endvote
[20:01] <meetingology> Voting ended on: Should Chris J Arges join ubuntu-core-dev?
[20:01] <meetingology> Votes for:4 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0
[20:01] <meetingology> Motion carried
[20:01] <Laney> thanks, and welcome!
[20:01] <arges> thanks everybody!
[20:01] <stgraber> arges: congrats!
[20:01] <Laney> added ;-)
[20:02] <Laney> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/New might have some tips
[20:02] <Laney> but may also be a bit stale (don't be afraid to update it if you learn things)
[20:02] <tumbleweed> great
[20:02] <arges> Laney: will do. thanks
[20:02] <Laney> I'm guessing Daniel Pocock isn't here?
[20:02] <tumbleweed> he goes by pocock on IRC, doesn't he?
[20:02] <stgraber> doesn't appear to be on IRC, no
[20:02] <Laney> no idea
[20:03]  * micahg-work wonders if -v for dpkg-buildpackage is on that list
[20:03]  * tumbleweed sees him on OFTC
[20:03] <Laney> I'll ping over email
[20:03] <Laney> we could maybe handle it there
[20:03] <Laney> as it seems to have been around for a while
[20:03] <Laney> #topic AOB
[20:03] <Laney> #subtopic Should we change UTC meeting time when the DST-ending madness begins?
[20:03] <Laney> who put that there?
[20:04] <micahg-work> well, we were discussing informally after the last "meeting"
[20:05] <micahg-work> we can table for the next meeting I guess
[20:05] <Laney> Just about still before DST changes
[20:06] <Laney> ok, let us carry it
[20:06] <Laney> thanks chaps
[20:06] <Laney> #endmeeting
[20:06] <meetingology> Meeting ended Mon Oct  7 20:06:24 2013 UTC.
[20:06] <meetingology> Minutes (wiki):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2013/ubuntu-meeting.2013-10-07-19.16.moin.txt
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[20:06] <micahg-work> thanks Laney