[00:05] When I re-do this I may put Xubuntu back on it ...or perhaps Elementary. [00:07] Let's try this Ubuntu Software Center thing out. [00:09] I'll probably be back later, after the updates are done. [00:10] Bye daftykins! === josie is now known as Guest93839 [07:01] morning all === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte [07:03] why does ubuntu always hesitate so much when you give it the wrong password, i seem to know it's wrong before it does, is there some sort of rate limiting that no other OS seems to use or set so high? [07:04] yeah, it's ratelimiting === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away [07:18] ging: does this help you? - http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1176427 [07:22] nope, it does not contain a petition to get the default delay time cut to atleast half [07:24] is there an entry in /etc/pam.d/login that has something like this in it? - auth optional pam_faildelay.so delay=3000000 [07:24] this is the page I got that from http://superuser.com/questions/165550/change-password-timeout-on-linux [07:25] INSECURITY!!! :P [07:25] I remember Linus complaining about this at some point... [07:25] yeah I know, I'm just googling for them ;) [07:26] being able to change it doesn't help me, i'm not going to go round and change it on every ubuntu machine i have to use, it will take me forever [07:27] in that case, don't get your password wrong ;) [07:33] i just thing, imagine all those 2 seconds that get wasted, all that lost productivity, could be cut in half and still be just as secure [07:41] devil's advocate could argue that if people aren't capable of typing something they use daily, they're probably losing much more than 2 seconds a day elsewhere [07:42] I would say that rate limiting bad passwords is perfectly acceptable [07:43] because it keep brute force attacks from being anywhere near viable [07:44] and at most I only ever type my password incorrectly twice before I slowly and purposefully type each character while staring at the keyboard to ensure I got it right [07:44] so what, 10 seconds wasted? [07:44] it's hardly the end of the world [07:44] it's wasting more of my day right now to run my apt-get upgrade [07:53] SuperMatt: 10 seconds, you can breath twice in that time, stop wasting breaths ;) [07:57] I think it's about time I signed up to the release party [07:57] gotta make sure I get there early enough for a shirt this time [08:03] Don't feed the ging. [08:10] Good morning peeps :) [08:14] popey: troll? lol [08:14] morning bigcalm [08:23] well started my ubuntu wiki page, it's a bit bare at the moment lol [08:29] Wonder if anyone can help? I'm using a i5 with 8Gb RAM, Radeon 5450 and 2 monitors on Ubuntu 12.04.3. When I go to play a game, like Warzone 2100 it spreads itself across the 2 monitors, which is a little crazy, is there a way around this? [08:31] Dave-Maydew, this is a per-game problem [08:31] Ok, cheers [08:32] I was going to buy another GPU, when I saw this happen [08:33] try running the game in a window instead of fullscreen [08:34] I shall give it a try, many thanks [08:35] Last question... Unity and multi monitors, when I press the workspace switcher, is there any way of just making it 4 spaces instead of the 8? [08:38] Dave-Maydew: does this help? - http://www.ryanchapin.com/Home?article_id=714 [08:40] You are a star, been googling this all last night, and I thought I'd give the irc a try for the first time!! thanks MooDoo [08:40] you're welcome [08:41] I'm a sight impaired user, and 2 monitors have been a great help, and the only reason for using Unity is the fact that it's what I'm used to [08:43] Good morning all; happy Habitat Day! :-D [08:44] morning JamesTait how are you [08:45] Hey MooDoo! :) Very well thanks, yourself? [08:45] JamesTait: marvelous, playing around with my page on the ubuntu wiki :D [08:45] lol [08:45] Oh yeah, I have one of those somewhere. I should probably update it. [08:46] JamesTait: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/paulmellors mine is bare ;) lol [08:47] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JamesTait [08:47] nice, I want to becoming a ubuntu member, so baby steps ;) [08:49] I was looking into membership as well, but to be honest, most of my contribution has been from my day job, and on the server side, so I don't think it really counts. [08:49] well to be honest, i'm only really active here for the moment, but it's a start [08:57] MooDoo, like you said, baby steps. ;) [09:01] hurrr, I just realised, windows 8.1 will be released the day after saucy [09:01] which means canonical will have put out three versions between 8 and 8.1 [09:01] SuperMatt: about bloody time, windows 8 sucks without start menu [09:02] final two weeks now :) [09:02] good luck to everyone contributing :) [09:02] I'm only using LTS ubuntu any way :) [09:02] I just can't bring myself to only use lts [09:03] I love being up to date way too much [09:03] I don't need anything else lol [09:03] that's fair enough [09:04] but I find that knowing what's coming for my servers at work, I can be more prepared for when the next LTS comes out [09:04] And in the bit about Ubuntu, the history of the Alans... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alans [09:05] My wife told me about them this morning and I immediatley thought of this place! [09:05] ah yes, the cult of alan [09:05] In Hungary they're known as Jasz, and there are towns and even a county named after them. [09:12] that's quite worrying [09:15] we've known about the cult of alans for ages, just make sure they don't get you to join their cult on their day of days [normally the real ale train] ;) === richard is now known as Guest78445 [09:29] good morning everyone, [09:29] morning brobostigon [09:29] morning MooDoo === Oli`` is now known as Oli [10:01] Morning all [10:02] morning davmor2 how are you this fine day? [10:06] MooDoo: I feel lousy worst nights sleep in a long time :( On a plus side I'm alive \o/ so can't grumble too much :) You? [10:07] yeah I'm ok thanks, just gettting over manu flu, editing wikis and launchpad stuff for me and writting the odd blog post, nothing exciting [10:15] o/ [10:19] hi daubers [10:20] daubers: morning [10:22] How do? [10:23] yeah good you? [10:23] Not bad :) Finally recovering from the stupid depression thing [10:23] daubers: thats good news :) [10:24] MooDoo: Indeedly! Finally able to start getting things done again [10:24] good stuff :) [10:24] daubers: oh that's easy, you just stand on the hill that surrounds you, on a more serious note glad to hear it :) [10:25] davmor2: :-p [10:26] daubers: hey no fair the last bit was nice :P Depression sucks dude I am glad you have managed to get out of it :) [10:27] davmor2: It's a bit easier to get out of the second time around [11:09] hiiiiiiiiiiii [11:09] dvrr: hoooooooooooo [11:09] hello. [11:13] hiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiya [11:14] MooDoo: turns into Laura [11:15] davmor2: thanks for that davmor2 :p [11:21] MooDoo: whenever I see hiya written for some reason my brain hears the intro to UUPC and Laura excitedly saying it sorry :D [11:22] it's fine, compare me to laura, we are similar after all :p [11:23] MooDoo: No, no you're not. [11:25] I just read popey's tweet about making progress on the progress meter, and I can't figure out if he did it on purpose, or something something coffee [11:25] ☻ [11:25] Carefully worded. [11:26] slightly disappointed it didn't start with "yo dawg, I heard you like progress .." [11:26] sup [11:26] neuro: the sky [11:27] neuro: bitter [11:27] you all weird, yo [11:27] MooDoo: you don't want bitter up you want it in a pint glass surely? [11:29] davmor2: i want it in my belly [11:29] * neuro terminates a couple of ec2 instances [11:29] DIEEEEEE! [11:30] neuro: I think you'll find that is "sudo kill -9" die die die [11:30] actually this time it was click-click-rightclick-Terminate [11:31] neuro: it's not as much fun when you have to use the mouse is it :D [11:31] na [11:31] would have done a cli call to do it, but wanted to make sure exactly what i was doing was what i intended to do [11:32] didn't want to do something stupid like take out a mail server or a db slave, that would have suuuuuuucked [11:32] neuro: Maybe have the mouse point change to a sword over the terminate button and a bloody sword when you click on terminate would make it more enjoyable :D [11:32] :) [11:32] i'm also saving the company 30 quid a month by doing that, so there's that happy feeling also [11:32] use the mincraft-pi stuff to make a physical server farm that you go around punching to terminate things [11:33] that would be epic [11:33] boss: why are you playing minecraft? me: i am totally managing the cluster here boss: ah, ok, carry on me: *punches skeleton* [11:35] This is a Minecraft system. I know this! [11:36] :) === alan_g is now known as alan_g|lunch [12:33] feed the beast [12:34] MooDoo: Feed Me Seymore [12:36] davmor2: lol little shop of horrors mod for minecradt ;) [12:43] what's the current state of core apps in touch now? Would I, for instance, be able to play an mp4 that I can normally play in totem? [12:46] depends what videos you'd watch in totem ☻ [12:48] mostly uhhh... backups of tv shows [12:49] oh man, backups would be nice, my Harry Potter DVD's are in UK :-( [12:50] well, use "the offsite-backup bay" [12:50] though I think people use the world pirate intercangably with offsite-backup [12:51] the sad part is that if I have backups. [12:51] on a hard drive, in UK. [12:51] :-| [12:51] doh [12:52] at my last work place, we set up an offsite backup ring, just in case anyone's house burned down [12:53] I had a backup burried in the back garden for a while. protip: don't do that. [12:54] .... [12:54] what medium did you use? [12:54] CDs. it seemed to make sense. they come in a handy plastic tub, you just need to seal it? [12:54] sure [12:54] so what went wrong? [12:55] other than the fact that writable CDs have a limited lifespan [12:55] I guess sealing it isn't as easy as it looks [12:55] i like the idea though [12:56] hard disk + silica gel in a sealed sandwich bag inside a tupperware box, upside down in a hole in the ground [12:56] luckily I didn't need the backup, but when I went to swap them out a year later, I couldn't separate one disk from the next [12:56] were they melted together, shauno? [12:56] wait.. you put a stack of CDs not in their cases? [12:56] right. just like when you buy a spindle [12:56] you properly didn't think that through ☻ [12:58] my backup solution comprises of all the disks I can fit in to my PC [12:58] though I'm gonna get a nas soon [12:59] * MooDoo got nas, but wants a synology naas [12:59] nas not naas [13:00] SuperMatt: Doesn't help if the house burns down [13:01] I have a laptop to server, server to nas, nas to offsite usb :) [13:01] diplo: no, it doesn't [13:02] I think it's worth just having a rind of friends and a TB external hdd each [13:02] my backup solution is basically github [13:03] tbh, to back up the things I really care about, I only really need 100G of space [13:03] * popey hugs his microserver [13:04] is that the n54l? [13:04] 40 [13:04] original one [13:04] oh? [13:04] I still like my time capsule idea. but now that I measure my megabits in plurals, there's much simpler ways [13:04] how many disks can that take? [13:04] I backup to my microserver and then to work [13:04] I back my parents to my house [13:04] I have 13 in mine [13:04] with an external array [13:04] usb stuff, right? [13:05] how's butterfs working for you now? [13:05] no [13:05] no USB [13:05] all SATA [13:05] cool [13:05] http://paste.ubuntu.com/6204848/ [13:05] I just decided that a nosql version of SQLite should exist, and it does! [13:06] blimey [13:06] and it's got perhaps the most buzzword-compliant introduction I've ever seen [13:06] now that's efficient [13:06] "noSQLite is a lightweight zeroconf noSQL document-oriented forking Python SQLite networked authenticated XMLRPC database server." [13:06] http://paste.ubuntu.com/6204851/ [13:06] so btrfs is working quite well then [13:07] fine for me [13:10] I want to move a lot of my stuff to btrfs, but I think I'm going to wait until btrfs-convert works again === alan_g|lunch is now known as alan_g === elliott_ is now known as Guest15606 [14:24] popey: they played a Code Club promo video over the weekend at the conference I was at in Manchester - it was a work of genius [14:24] popey: (one involving a kid reading out HTML, etc...) [14:24] dang, google play music doesn't work in the ubuntu touch browser :( [14:24] popey: you're involved in one, aren't you? [14:24] Loved that video [14:25] ya [14:25] seen the other video? [14:25] where they interview someone? [14:25] www.youtube.com/watch?v=FxhGIajRsq4‎ [14:27] What's the game on the laptop? http://youtu.be/FxhGIajRsq4?t=35s [14:30] popey: not yet, but I shall now! [14:32] I think the video we saw at phpnw13 was better === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte === webpigeon is now known as Guest22937 [15:35] We've just been sent the electoral roll form. Anybody know when they need to be filled in and returned by? [15:35] i got one too [15:35] Wondering if we were to leave it until after Hayley possibly takes my name [15:35] (She still hasn't 100% decided) [15:36] Nothing on the form or letter with it says anything about when to return it by [15:39] ...and yet it's a legal requirement to register to vote [15:41] bigcalm: as far as mine says it's just "asap" [15:42] they don't seem to have listed a date on it [15:42] diddledan: think asap could be 26th October? [15:42] I'll be married by then :D [15:42] other than that they'll publish the edited register in februrary [15:42] I would expect a month from receipt is still acceptible [15:43] Goodo [15:43] you could be on a long summer holiday :-p [15:44] W: Failed to fetch http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/raring-updates/main/source/Sources 404 Not Found [IP: 91.189.92.156 80] [15:45] anybody else?] [15:54] dutchie: there is no Sources file [15:54] just bzipped or gzipped versions of same [15:55] surely apt-get update should see those though>? [16:25] popey: I have a bug for Ubuntu Touch [16:25] just one? [16:25] popey: It doesn't prevent me from being an idiot and dropping my phone, breaking both the screen and digitiser [16:26] * daubers now has to wait until he can afford to get it mended properly :( [16:27] ouch [16:27] what device? [16:28] Galaxy Nexus [16:29] £180 for a new glass and digitiser [16:29] yowzer [16:29] you can buy a 2nd hand one for 140 [16:30] daubers, buy a new nexus 4 for less [16:30] or that [16:30] Might just see if I'm due an upgrade [16:30] galaxy nexus has a better screen [16:30] if a bit bright and maybe too vivid [16:34] popey [16:35] hmm? [16:36] i have configured jabberd2 server [16:36] prosody! [16:37] but i i am not able to create users [16:37] I am happy for you. [16:38] becouse [16:40] i fallowd this uel configured jabberd http://bionicraptor.ca/2011/05/20/how-to-install-and-configure-japperd2-with-mysql/ [16:44] user account could not be created [16:47] popey [16:47] what? [16:47] Why are you pinging me? [16:47] users creating problem [16:48] this is big prob for me [16:49] I have no idea, never setup jabberd === alan_g is now known as alan_g|EOD === schwuk_away is now known as schwuk [17:49] ah nice, the adb backup tool is *exactly* what I needed before putting ubuntu on my nexus 10 :D === schwuk is now known as schwuk_away [18:05] aloha [18:15] * popey stabs steam [18:16] *stab stab stab* [18:16] I like stabbing things [18:16] popey: you should get czajkowski to do that, she's had plenty of experience stabbing things and people :D [18:17] o_O [18:17] davmor2: was that a compliment or an insult? [18:17] its complaining that i dont have glx setup right [18:17] popey: do you have xmir installed? [18:17] of course not! [18:17] http://paste.ubuntu.com/6206056/ [18:18] /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/mesa/libGL.so.1 looks like it shouldn't be there, surely [18:18] popey: it just hates you then [18:18] it shouldn't be loading the mesa glx driver but the nvidia one [18:18] czajkowski: hello [18:18] * czajkowski peers at davmor2 [18:18] oi you [18:18] what are you actually trying to do? [18:18] run steam [18:19] "run steam" [18:19] it pops up a box telling me that it's doing software rendering [18:19] yes, "steam" in a terminal [18:19] using +1? [18:19] yup [18:19] used to work [18:19] it works for me currently i have not updated today though [18:19] but I yanked my nvidia card because it broke [18:19] so went back to intel, and now back on nvidia it's busted [18:20] if I run the 32-bit glxinfo it barfs because it's doing sw rendering [18:20] yesterday i tried to put my 5870 in my main computer to play games but it turns out the aftermarket cooler is too big for my case [18:20] so i remove libgl1-mesa-glx:i386 [18:20] that removes the line from the ldconfig above [18:20] but then when I run steam it wants to re-install that package again and breaks [18:21] i see updates for mesa:i386 [18:21] so i bet if i update it will break [18:21] libgl1-mesa-dri:i386 specifically [18:21] czajkowski: what you stab me and MooDoo and things galore when they annoy you so I reckon you'd be the best person to stab popey 's steam [18:21] so anyone want to buy a slightly used (for bitcoin mining lol) 5870HD? [18:24] popey: yeah it appears to be broken now [18:24] aha! [18:24] when it prompts to install libgl1-mesa-dri:i386, press CTRL+C ☻ [18:24] works [18:25] why don't you have it installed? [18:25] * popey tests a game [18:25] i just removed it [18:25] to test [18:25] why? [18:25] because it isnt needed [18:25] it breaks glxinfo, and steam [18:26] it shouldn't [18:26] and it is [18:26] by what? [18:26] bugfodder? [18:26] sure, once I figure where the bug is, I'll file it [18:26] \o/ [18:27] * popey tries xbox 360 controller with serious sam 3 bfe [18:27] that should test it [18:28] diddledan: bugfodder is a great game but it's not on par with canonfodder [18:29] popey: if i try to remove it, apt also tries to remove xorg [18:30] libgl1-mesa-dri:i386 on 64-bit ubuntu? [18:31] oh wait, no [18:31] that doesn't affect anything [18:31] popey, http://store.steampowered.com/search/?term=&category1=998&category2=28&advanced=0#category1=998&os=linux&category2=28&sort_order=ASC&page=1 [18:32] those are linux games w/ full controller support [18:33] ta [18:33] well, that was fun [18:33] although I am rubbish with FPS games on controller [18:34] popey: but the thing is, the -dri package does not install a libGL1.so [18:34] that comes from -mesa-glx [18:35] not here [18:35] dpkg -S /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/mesa/libGL.so.1 [18:35] told me [18:35] libgl1-mesa-glx:i386: /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/mesa/libGL.so.1 [18:35] maybe it lied [18:35] hmmm [18:35] did I remove the wrong one [18:36] libgl1-mesa-glx:i386: isn't installed here either [18:36] and if i try to remove that one i lose skype and wine [18:36] yeah, i did [18:37] they are dependant i guess [18:37] well, steam isn't actually broken here at all. it still works fine after the update [18:37] hmmm [18:37] you must have a problem with symlinks pointing to the wrong version or something [18:37] yeah, perhaps [18:38] reinstalling the packages again in the right order will probably fix it [18:38] yeah, not touching it for now. [18:38] i checked update-alternatives and it is not doing anything with mesa or glx [18:38] it's plausible i futzed around with symlinks at some point [18:38] maybe run jockey again (from command line) [18:39] unrelated, i keep getting 503 from steam community [18:39] there's a bug [18:39] clicking on my own profile inside steam [18:39] ah [18:39] yeah i get that all the time [18:42] there's a multiarch bug in mesa in 64-bit ubuntu before a certain release [18:42] which makes it not possible to install the :i386 and :amd64 versions together [18:45] we're both using +1 fully updated [18:48] dpkg -l libgl1-mesa-dri:i386 libgl1-mesa-dri:iamd64 [18:50] i386 version installed only here [18:50] eek [18:51] i have both === schwuk_away is now known as schwuk [19:04] I don't know if I'm doing something wrong, but touch really doesn't feel close to being ready at all :/ [19:04] I'm using it on my nexus 10, trying to use the keyboard and it constantly selects things in the background, behind the keyboard [19:04] and also, the keyboard is in portrait mode when the device is landscape [19:07] heh [19:07] we haven't optimised for the nexus 10 at all [19:08] it's not supposed to be "ready" until 14.10 now [19:09] 360 controller in Dynamite Jack is all over the place [19:09] did you configure it in big picture mode? [19:09] goes in odd directions [19:09] oh, no [19:09] i am in big picture mode [19:09] it probably wont help if it is that messed up [19:10] yes but there is a controller config screen [19:10] in big picture, not in the game [19:10] not all games use it though [19:10] there is, it just says "controller detected xinput compatible controller" [19:10] http://popey.com/~alan/2013-10-07-201035_1920x1080_scrot.png [19:12] i guess remapping is not allowed if the joypad is recognized by SDL [19:12] and also dynamite jack does not use SDL_gamepad === chattsm_ is now known as chattsm === Hornet- is now known as Hornet === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away