[00:05] <ball> When I re-do this I may put Xubuntu back on it ...or perhaps Elementary.
[00:07] <ball> Let's try this Ubuntu Software Center thing out.
[00:09] <ball> I'll probably be back later, after the updates are done.
[00:10] <ball> Bye daftykins!
[07:01] <MooDoo> morning all
[07:03] <ging> why does ubuntu always hesitate so much when you give it the wrong password, i seem to know it's wrong before it does, is there some sort of rate limiting that no other OS seems to use or set so high?
[07:04] <BigRedS>  yeah, it's ratelimiting
[07:18] <MooDoo> ging: does this help you? - http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1176427
[07:22] <ging> nope, it does not contain a petition to get the default delay time cut to atleast half
[07:24] <MooDoo> is there an entry in /etc/pam.d/login that has something like this in it? - auth       optional   pam_faildelay.so  delay=3000000
[07:24] <MooDoo> this is the page I got that from http://superuser.com/questions/165550/change-password-timeout-on-linux
[07:25] <jussi> INSECURITY!!! :P
[07:25] <jussi> I remember Linus complaining about this at some point...
[07:25] <MooDoo> yeah I know, I'm just googling for them ;)
[07:26] <ging> being able to change it doesn't help me, i'm not going to go round and change it on every ubuntu machine i have to use, it will take me forever
[07:27] <MooDoo> in that case, don't get your password wrong ;)
[07:33] <ging> i just thing, imagine all those 2 seconds that get wasted, all that lost productivity, could be cut in half and still be just as secure
[07:41] <shauno> devil's advocate could argue that if people aren't capable of typing something they use daily, they're probably losing much more than 2 seconds a day elsewhere
[07:42] <SuperMatt> I would say that rate limiting bad passwords is perfectly acceptable
[07:43] <SuperMatt> because it keep brute force attacks from being anywhere near viable
[07:44] <SuperMatt> and at most I only ever type my password incorrectly twice before I slowly and purposefully type each character while staring at the keyboard to ensure I got it right
[07:44] <SuperMatt> so what, 10 seconds wasted?
[07:44] <SuperMatt> it's hardly the end of the world
[07:44] <SuperMatt> it's wasting more of my day right now to run my apt-get upgrade
[07:53] <MooDoo> SuperMatt: 10 seconds, you can breath twice in that time, stop wasting breaths ;)
[07:57] <SuperMatt> I think it's about time I signed up to the release party
[07:57] <SuperMatt> gotta make sure I get there early enough for a shirt this time
[08:03] <popey> Don't feed the ging.
[08:10] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[08:14] <MooDoo> popey: troll? lol
[08:14] <MooDoo> morning bigcalm
[08:23] <MooDoo> well started my ubuntu wiki page, it's a bit bare at the moment lol
[08:29] <Dave-Maydew> Wonder if anyone can help? I'm using a i5 with 8Gb RAM, Radeon 5450 and 2 monitors on Ubuntu 12.04.3. When I go to play a game, like Warzone 2100 it spreads itself across the 2 monitors, which is a little crazy, is there a way around this?
[08:31] <directhex> Dave-Maydew, this is a per-game problem
[08:31] <Dave-Maydew> Ok, cheers
[08:32] <Dave-Maydew> I was going to buy another GPU, when I saw this happen
[08:33] <directhex> try running the game in a window instead of fullscreen
[08:34] <Dave-Maydew> I shall give it a try, many thanks
[08:35] <Dave-Maydew> Last question... Unity and multi monitors, when I press the workspace switcher, is there any way of just making it 4 spaces instead of the 8?
[08:38] <MooDoo> Dave-Maydew: does this help? -  http://www.ryanchapin.com/Home?article_id=714
[08:40] <Dave-Maydew> You are a star, been googling this all last night, and I thought I'd give the irc a try for the first time!! thanks MooDoo
[08:40] <MooDoo> you're welcome
[08:41] <Dave-Maydew> I'm a sight impaired user, and 2 monitors have been a great help, and the only reason for using Unity is the fact that it's what I'm used to
[08:43] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Habitat Day! :-D
[08:44] <MooDoo> morning JamesTait how are you
[08:45] <JamesTait> Hey MooDoo! :)  Very well thanks, yourself?
[08:45] <MooDoo> JamesTait: marvelous, playing around with my page on the ubuntu wiki :D
[08:45] <MooDoo> lol
[08:45] <JamesTait> Oh yeah, I have one of those somewhere.  I should probably update it.
[08:46] <MooDoo> JamesTait: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/paulmellors mine is bare ;) lol
[08:47] <JamesTait> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JamesTait
[08:47] <MooDoo> nice, I want to becoming a ubuntu member, so baby steps ;)
[08:49] <JamesTait> I was looking into membership as well, but to be honest, most of my contribution has been from my day job, and on the server side, so I don't think it really counts.
[08:49] <MooDoo> well to be honest, i'm only really active here for the moment, but it's a start
[08:57] <JamesTait> MooDoo, like you said, baby steps. ;)
[09:01] <SuperMatt> hurrr, I just realised, windows 8.1 will be released the day after saucy
[09:01] <SuperMatt> which means canonical will have put out three versions between 8 and 8.1
[09:01] <MooDoo> SuperMatt: about bloody time, windows 8 sucks without start menu
[09:02] <SuperMatt> final two weeks now :)
[09:02] <SuperMatt> good luck to everyone contributing :)
[09:02] <MooDoo> I'm only using LTS ubuntu any way :)
[09:02] <SuperMatt> I just can't bring myself to only use lts
[09:03] <SuperMatt> I love being up to date way too much
[09:03] <MooDoo> I don't need anything else lol
[09:03] <SuperMatt> that's fair enough
[09:04] <SuperMatt> but I find that knowing what's coming for my servers at work, I can be more prepared for when the next LTS comes out
[09:04] <kecskebak> And in the bit about Ubuntu, the history of the Alans... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alans
[09:05] <kecskebak> My wife told me about them this morning and I immediatley thought of this place!
[09:05] <SuperMatt> ah yes, the cult of alan
[09:05] <kecskebak> In Hungary they're known as Jasz, and there are towns and even a county named after them.
[09:12] <shauno> that's quite worrying
[09:15] <MooDoo> we've known about the cult of alans for ages, just make sure they don't get you to join their cult on their day of days [normally the real ale train] ;)
[09:29] <brobostigon> good morning everyone,
[09:29] <MooDoo> morning brobostigon
[09:29] <brobostigon> morning MooDoo
[10:01] <davmor2> Morning all
[10:02] <MooDoo> morning davmor2 how are you this fine day?
[10:06] <davmor2> MooDoo: I feel lousy worst nights sleep in a long time :(  On a plus side I'm alive \o/ so can't grumble too much :)  You?
[10:07] <MooDoo> yeah I'm ok thanks, just gettting over manu flu, editing wikis and launchpad stuff for me and writting the odd blog post, nothing exciting
[10:15] <daubers> o/
[10:19] <MooDoo> hi daubers
[10:20] <davmor2> daubers: morning
[10:22] <daubers> How do?
[10:23] <MooDoo> yeah good you?
[10:23] <daubers> Not bad :) Finally recovering from the stupid depression thing
[10:23] <MooDoo> daubers: thats good news :)
[10:24] <daubers> MooDoo: Indeedly! Finally able to start getting things done again
[10:24] <MooDoo> good stuff :)
[10:24] <davmor2> daubers: oh that's easy, you just stand on the hill that surrounds you, on a more serious note glad to hear it :)
[10:25] <daubers> davmor2: :-p
[10:26] <davmor2> daubers: hey no fair the last bit was nice :P  Depression sucks dude I am glad you have managed to get out of it :)
[10:27] <daubers> davmor2:  It's a bit easier to get out of the second time around
[11:09] <dvrr> hiiiiiiiiiiii
[11:09] <davmor2> dvrr: hoooooooooooo
[11:09] <popey> hello.
[11:13] <MooDoo> hiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiya
[11:14] <davmor2> MooDoo: turns into Laura
[11:15] <MooDoo> davmor2: thanks for that davmor2 :p
[11:21] <davmor2> MooDoo: whenever I see hiya written for some reason my brain hears the intro to UUPC and Laura excitedly saying it sorry :D
[11:22] <MooDoo> it's fine, compare me to laura, we are similar after all :p
[11:23] <davmor2> MooDoo: No, no you're not.
[11:25] <shauno> I just read popey's tweet about making progress on the progress meter, and I can't figure out if he did it on purpose, or something something coffee
[11:25] <popey> ☻
[11:25] <popey> Carefully worded.
[11:26] <shauno> slightly disappointed it didn't start with "yo dawg, I heard you like progress .."
[11:26] <neuro> sup
[11:26] <davmor2> neuro: the sky
[11:27] <MooDoo> neuro: bitter
[11:27] <neuro> you all weird, yo
[11:27] <davmor2> MooDoo: you don't want bitter up you want it in a pint glass surely?
[11:29] <MooDoo> davmor2: i want it in my belly
[11:29]  * neuro terminates a couple of ec2 instances
[11:29] <neuro> DIEEEEEE!
[11:30] <davmor2> neuro: I think you'll find that is "sudo kill -9" die die die
[11:30] <neuro> actually this time it was click-click-rightclick-Terminate
[11:31] <davmor2> neuro: it's not as much fun when you have to use the mouse is it :D
[11:31] <neuro> na
[11:31] <neuro> would have done a cli call to do it, but wanted to make sure exactly what i was doing was what i intended to do
[11:32] <neuro> didn't want to do something stupid like take out a mail server or a db slave, that would have suuuuuuucked
[11:32] <davmor2> neuro: Maybe have the mouse point change to a sword over the terminate button and a bloody sword when you click on terminate would make it more enjoyable :D
[11:32] <neuro> :)
[11:32] <neuro> i'm also saving the company 30 quid a month by doing that, so there's that happy feeling also
[11:32] <shauno> use the mincraft-pi stuff to make a physical server farm that you go around punching to terminate things
[11:33] <neuro> that would be epic
[11:33] <neuro> boss: why are you playing minecraft? me: i am totally managing the cluster here boss: ah, ok, carry on me: *punches skeleton*
[11:35] <popey> This is a Minecraft system. I know this!
[11:36] <neuro> :)
[12:33] <MooDoo> feed the beast
[12:34] <davmor2> MooDoo: Feed Me Seymore
[12:36] <MooDoo> davmor2: lol little shop of horrors mod for minecradt ;)
[12:43] <SuperMatt> what's the current state of core apps in touch now? Would I, for instance, be able to play an mp4 that I can normally play in totem?
[12:46] <popey> depends what videos you'd watch in totem ☻
[12:48] <SuperMatt> mostly uhhh... backups of tv shows
[12:49] <Myrtti> oh man, backups would be nice, my Harry Potter DVD's are in UK :-(
[12:50] <SuperMatt> well, use "the offsite-backup bay"
[12:50] <SuperMatt> though I think people use the world pirate intercangably with offsite-backup
[12:51] <Myrtti> the sad part is that if I have backups.
[12:51] <Myrtti> on a hard drive, in UK.
[12:51] <Myrtti> :-|
[12:51] <SuperMatt> doh
[12:52] <SuperMatt> at my last work place, we set up an offsite backup ring, just in case anyone's house burned down
[12:53] <shauno> I had a backup burried in the back garden for a while.  protip: don't do that.
[12:54] <SuperMatt> ....
[12:54] <SuperMatt> what medium did you use?
[12:54] <shauno> CDs.  it seemed to make sense.  they come in a handy plastic tub, you just need to seal it?
[12:54] <SuperMatt> sure
[12:54] <SuperMatt> so what went wrong?
[12:55] <SuperMatt> other than the fact that writable CDs have a limited lifespan
[12:55] <shauno> I guess sealing it isn't as easy as it looks
[12:55] <popey> i like the idea though
[12:56] <popey> hard disk + silica gel in a sealed sandwich bag inside a tupperware box, upside down in a hole in the ground
[12:56] <shauno> luckily I didn't need the backup, but when I went to swap them out a year later, I couldn't separate one disk from the next
[12:56] <dwatkins> were they melted together, shauno?
[12:56] <popey> wait.. you put a stack of CDs not in their cases?
[12:56] <shauno> right.  just like when you buy a spindle
[12:56] <popey> you properly didn't think that through ☻
[12:58] <SuperMatt> my backup solution comprises of all the disks I can fit in to my PC
[12:58] <SuperMatt> though I'm gonna get a nas soon
[12:59]  * MooDoo got nas, but wants a synology naas
[12:59] <MooDoo> nas not naas
[13:00] <diplo> SuperMatt: Doesn't help if the house burns down
[13:01] <MooDoo> I have a laptop to server, server to nas, nas to offsite usb :)
[13:01] <SuperMatt> diplo: no, it doesn't
[13:02] <SuperMatt> I think it's worth just having a rind of friends and a TB external hdd each
[13:02] <BigRedS> my backup solution is basically github
[13:03] <SuperMatt> tbh, to back up the things I really care about, I only really need 100G of space
[13:03]  * popey hugs his microserver
[13:04] <SuperMatt> is that the n54l?
[13:04] <popey> 40
[13:04] <popey> original one
[13:04] <SuperMatt> oh?
[13:04] <shauno> I still like my time capsule idea.  but now that I measure my megabits in plurals, there's much simpler ways
[13:04] <SuperMatt> how many disks can that take?
[13:04] <diplo> I backup to my microserver and then to work
[13:04] <diplo> I back my parents to my house
[13:04] <popey> I have 13 in mine
[13:04] <popey> with an external array
[13:04] <SuperMatt> usb stuff, right?
[13:05] <SuperMatt> how's butterfs working for you now?
[13:05] <popey> no
[13:05] <popey> no USB
[13:05] <popey> all SATA
[13:05] <SuperMatt> cool
[13:05] <popey> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6204848/
[13:05] <BigRedS> I just decided that a nosql version of SQLite should exist, and it does!
[13:06] <SuperMatt> blimey
[13:06] <BigRedS> and it's got perhaps the most buzzword-compliant introduction I've ever seen
[13:06] <shauno> now that's efficient
[13:06] <BigRedS> "noSQLite is a lightweight zeroconf noSQL document-oriented forking Python SQLite networked authenticated XMLRPC database server."
[13:06] <popey> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6204851/
[13:06] <SuperMatt> so btrfs is working quite well then
[13:07] <popey> fine for me
[13:10] <SuperMatt> I want to move a lot of my stuff to btrfs, but I think I'm going to wait until btrfs-convert works again
[14:24] <mgdm> popey: they played a Code Club promo video over the weekend at the conference I was at in Manchester - it was a work of genius
[14:24] <mgdm> popey: (one involving a kid reading out HTML, etc...)
[14:24] <SuperMatt> dang, google play music doesn't work in the ubuntu touch browser :(
[14:24] <mgdm> popey: you're involved in one, aren't you?
[14:24] <bigcalm> Loved that video
[14:25] <popey> ya
[14:25] <popey> seen the other video?
[14:25] <popey> where they interview someone?
[14:25] <popey> www.youtube.com/watch?v=FxhGIajRsq4‎
[14:27] <bigcalm> What's the game on the laptop? http://youtu.be/FxhGIajRsq4?t=35s
[14:30] <mgdm> popey: not yet, but I shall now!
[14:32] <bigcalm> I think the video we saw at phpnw13 was better
[15:35] <bigcalm> We've just been sent the electoral roll form. Anybody know when they need to be filled in and returned by?
[15:35] <directhex> i got one too
[15:35] <bigcalm> Wondering if we were to leave it until after Hayley possibly takes my name
[15:35] <bigcalm> (She still hasn't 100% decided)
[15:36] <bigcalm> Nothing on the form or letter with it says anything about when to return it by
[15:39] <dwatkins> ...and yet it's a legal requirement to register to vote
[15:41] <diddledan> bigcalm: as far as mine says it's just "asap"
[15:42] <diddledan> they don't seem to have listed a date on it
[15:42] <bigcalm> diddledan: think asap could be 26th October?
[15:42] <bigcalm> I'll be married by then :D
[15:42] <diddledan> other than that they'll publish the edited register in februrary
[15:42] <diddledan> I would expect a month from receipt is still acceptible
[15:43] <bigcalm> Goodo
[15:43] <diddledan> you could be on a long summer holiday :-p
[15:44] <dutchie> W: Failed to fetch http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/raring-updates/main/source/Sources  404  Not Found [IP: 91.189.92.156 80]
[15:45] <dutchie> anybody else?]
[15:54] <neuro> dutchie: there is no Sources file
[15:54] <neuro> just bzipped or gzipped versions of same
[15:55] <dutchie> surely apt-get update should see those though>?
[16:25] <daubers> popey: I have a bug for Ubuntu Touch
[16:25] <popey> just one?
[16:25] <daubers> popey: It doesn't prevent me from being an idiot and dropping my phone, breaking both the screen and digitiser
[16:26]  * daubers now has to wait until he can afford to get it mended properly :(
[16:27] <popey> ouch
[16:27] <popey> what device?
[16:28] <daubers> Galaxy Nexus
[16:29] <daubers> £180 for a new glass and digitiser
[16:29] <popey> yowzer
[16:29] <popey> you can buy a 2nd hand one for 140
[16:30] <directhex> daubers, buy a new nexus 4 for less
[16:30] <popey> or that
[16:30] <daubers> Might just see if I'm due an upgrade
[16:30] <popey> galaxy nexus has a better screen
[16:30] <popey> if a bit bright and maybe too vivid
[16:34] <dvrr> popey
[16:35] <popey> hmm?
[16:36] <dvrr> i have configured jabberd2 server
[16:36] <directhex> prosody!
[16:37] <dvrr> but  i i am not able to create users
[16:37] <popey> I am happy for you.
[16:38] <dvrr> becouse
[16:40] <dvrr> i fallowd  this uel  configured jabberd http://bionicraptor.ca/2011/05/20/how-to-install-and-configure-japperd2-with-mysql/
[16:44] <dvrr> user account could not be created
[16:47] <dvrr> popey
[16:47] <popey> what?
[16:47] <popey> Why are you pinging me?
[16:47] <dvrr> users creating problem
[16:48] <dvrr> this is big prob for me
[16:49] <popey> I have no idea, never setup jabberd
[17:49] <SuperMatt> ah nice, the adb backup tool is *exactly* what I needed before putting ubuntu on my nexus 10 :D
[18:05] <czajkowski> aloha
[18:15]  * popey stabs steam
[18:16] <diddledan> *stab stab stab*
[18:16] <diddledan> I like stabbing things
[18:16] <davmor2> popey: you should get czajkowski to do that, she's had plenty of experience stabbing things and people :D
[18:17] <diddledan> o_O
[18:17] <diddledan> davmor2: was that a compliment or an insult?
[18:17] <popey> its complaining that i dont have glx setup right
[18:17] <davmor2> popey: do you have xmir installed?
[18:17] <popey> of course not!
[18:17] <popey> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6206056/
[18:18] <popey> /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/mesa/libGL.so.1 looks like it shouldn't be there, surely
[18:18] <davmor2> popey: it just hates you then
[18:18] <popey> it shouldn't be loading the mesa glx driver but the nvidia one
[18:18] <davmor2> czajkowski: hello
[18:18]  * czajkowski peers at davmor2 
[18:18] <czajkowski> oi you
[18:18] <ali1234> what are you actually trying to do?
[18:18] <popey> run steam
[18:19] <ali1234> "run steam"
[18:19] <popey> it pops up a box telling me that it's doing software rendering
[18:19] <popey> yes, "steam" in a terminal
[18:19] <ali1234> using +1?
[18:19] <popey> yup
[18:19] <popey> used to work
[18:19] <ali1234> it works for me currently i have not updated today though
[18:19] <popey> but I yanked my nvidia card because it broke
[18:19] <popey> so went back to intel, and now back on nvidia it's busted
[18:20] <popey> if I run the 32-bit glxinfo it barfs because it's doing sw rendering
[18:20] <ali1234> yesterday i tried to put my 5870 in my main computer to play games but it turns out the aftermarket cooler is too big for my case
[18:20] <popey> so i remove libgl1-mesa-glx:i386
[18:20] <popey> that removes the line from the ldconfig above
[18:20] <popey> but then when I run steam it wants to re-install that package again and breaks
[18:21] <ali1234> i see updates for mesa:i386
[18:21] <ali1234> so i bet if i update it will break
[18:21] <ali1234> libgl1-mesa-dri:i386 specifically
[18:21] <davmor2> czajkowski: what you stab me and MooDoo and things galore when they annoy you so I reckon you'd be the best person to stab popey 's steam
[18:21] <ali1234> so anyone want to buy a slightly used (for bitcoin mining lol) 5870HD?
[18:24] <ali1234> popey: yeah it appears to be broken now
[18:24] <popey> aha!
[18:24] <popey> when it prompts to install libgl1-mesa-dri:i386, press CTRL+C ☻
[18:24] <popey> works
[18:25] <ali1234> why don't you have it installed?
[18:25]  * popey tests a game
[18:25] <popey> i just removed it
[18:25] <popey> to test
[18:25] <ali1234> why?
[18:25] <popey> because it isnt needed
[18:25] <popey> it breaks glxinfo, and steam
[18:26] <ali1234> it shouldn't
[18:26] <ali1234> and it is
[18:26] <popey> by what?
[18:26] <diddledan> bugfodder?
[18:26] <popey> sure, once I figure where the bug is, I'll file it
[18:26] <diddledan> \o/
[18:27]  * popey tries xbox 360 controller with serious sam 3 bfe
[18:27] <popey> that should test it
[18:28] <davmor2> diddledan: bugfodder is a great game but it's not on par with canonfodder
[18:29] <ali1234> popey: if i try to remove it, apt also tries to remove xorg
[18:30] <popey> libgl1-mesa-dri:i386 on 64-bit ubuntu?
[18:31] <ali1234> oh wait, no
[18:31] <ali1234> that doesn't affect anything
[18:31] <directhex> popey,  http://store.steampowered.com/search/?term=&category1=998&category2=28&advanced=0#category1=998&os=linux&category2=28&sort_order=ASC&page=1
[18:32] <directhex> those are linux games w/ full controller support
[18:33] <popey> ta
[18:33] <popey> well, that was fun
[18:33] <popey> although I am rubbish with FPS games on controller
[18:34] <ali1234> popey: but the thing is, the -dri package does not install a libGL1.so
[18:34] <ali1234> that comes from -mesa-glx
[18:35] <popey> not here
[18:35] <popey> dpkg -S /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/mesa/libGL.so.1
[18:35] <popey> told me
[18:35] <ali1234> libgl1-mesa-glx:i386: /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/mesa/libGL.so.1
[18:35] <popey> maybe it lied
[18:35] <popey> hmmm
[18:35] <popey> did I remove the wrong one
[18:36] <popey> libgl1-mesa-glx:i386: isn't installed here either
[18:36] <ali1234> and if i try to remove that one i lose skype and wine
[18:36] <popey> yeah, i did
[18:37] <ali1234> they are dependant i guess
[18:37] <ali1234> well, steam isn't actually broken here at all. it still works fine after the update
[18:37] <popey> hmmm
[18:37] <ali1234> you must have a problem with symlinks pointing to the wrong version or something
[18:37] <popey> yeah, perhaps
[18:38] <ali1234> reinstalling the packages again in the right order will probably fix it
[18:38] <popey> yeah, not touching it for now.
[18:38] <ali1234> i checked update-alternatives and it is not doing anything with mesa or glx
[18:38] <popey> it's plausible i futzed around with symlinks at some point
[18:38] <ali1234> maybe run jockey again (from command line)
[18:39] <popey> unrelated, i keep getting 503 from steam community
[18:39] <directhex> there's a bug
[18:39] <popey> clicking on my own profile inside steam
[18:39] <popey> ah
[18:39] <ali1234> yeah i get that all the time
[18:42] <directhex> there's a multiarch bug in mesa in 64-bit ubuntu before a certain release
[18:42] <directhex> which makes it not possible to install the :i386 and :amd64 versions together
[18:45] <ali1234> we're both using +1 fully updated
[18:48] <directhex> dpkg -l libgl1-mesa-dri:i386 libgl1-mesa-dri:iamd64
[18:50] <popey> i386 version installed only here
[18:50] <directhex> eek
[18:51] <ali1234> i have both
[19:04] <SuperMatt> I don't know if I'm doing something wrong, but touch really doesn't feel close to being ready at all :/
[19:04] <SuperMatt> I'm using it on my nexus 10, trying to use the keyboard and it constantly selects things in the background, behind the keyboard
[19:04] <SuperMatt> and also, the keyboard is in portrait mode when the device is landscape
[19:07] <ali1234> heh
[19:07] <popey> we haven't optimised for the nexus 10 at all
[19:08] <ali1234> it's not supposed to be "ready" until 14.10 now
[19:09] <popey> 360 controller in Dynamite Jack is all over the place
[19:09] <ali1234> did you configure it in big picture mode?
[19:09] <popey> goes in odd directions
[19:09] <popey> oh, no
[19:09] <popey> i am in big picture mode
[19:09] <ali1234> it probably wont help if it is that messed up
[19:10] <ali1234> yes but there is a controller config screen
[19:10] <ali1234> in big picture, not in the game
[19:10] <ali1234> not all games use it though
[19:10] <popey> there is, it just says "controller detected xinput compatible controller"
[19:10] <popey> http://popey.com/~alan/2013-10-07-201035_1920x1080_scrot.png
[19:12] <ali1234> i guess remapping is not allowed if the joypad is recognized by SDL
[19:12] <ali1234> and also dynamite jack does not use SDL_gamepad