[13:37] <ColonelPanic001> 'morning
[13:37] <rick_h_> morn
[13:41] <ColonelPanic001> that's all I have the {energy,motivation} to type out
[13:42] <brousch> IT'S GREAT TO BE ALIVE!
[13:42] <ColonelPanic001> yes, because being alive, I can drink coffee. Which I'm doing. Right now.
[13:43] <rick_h_> yep, coffee in hand
[13:45] <brousch> Wait, what? rick_h_ I thought you were a tea man
[13:46] <rick_h_> brousch: I've become a coffee snob this summer (or at least a latte snob)
[13:46] <rick_h_> and I do my iced tea after my morning coffee
[13:46] <brousch> LAtte is where it starts. Then you back out the cream and sugar until you become a real coffee snob drinking it black
[13:51] <jrwren> and then espresso
[13:51] <jrwren> mmm... and then your own pour throughs
[13:51] <jrwren> threws?
[13:51] <jrwren> wtf is throughs, lol
[13:51] <rick_h_> through
[13:53] <rick_h_> heh, pot, grinder, and frother are enough coffee tweaking accessories for now
[13:53] <ColonelPanic001> I did the same - had a late night or two in a row about a year ago, suddenly overnight I aquired the taste for coffee
[13:53] <ColonelPanic001> I still drink more tea, but in the morning, once in a while, coffee is fantastic
[13:54] <brousch> I like my immersion drip system. Small and portable.
[13:54] <ColonelPanic001> and on weekends at home, I drink a few cups of decaf. I don't keep the "real" stuff at home, try ot keep caffeine intake reasonable
[13:54] <rick_h_> portable is for a coffee shop drive through :P
[13:54] <brousch> Need to store it in my desk :P
[13:54] <rick_h_> but we have a moka pot and take the frother in the camper (just pre-grind)
[13:54] <ColonelPanic001> I just drink meijer brand decaf. Shudder in disgust, coffee snobs
[13:55] <ColonelPanic001> <3 Hazelnut
[13:55] <ColonelPanic001> I aquired the taste for coffee enough to enjoy it, but still drink it rarely enough to not be picky about it.
[13:55] <ColonelPanic001> I save snobbery for tea and beer
[13:55] <rick_h_> I can't get coffee at the caribou because I've gotten picky about it. Now at CHC I just get a root beer or something
[13:55] <rick_h_> hopefully the move to Peets will fix that. The Peets in CA had a great latte
[13:56] <brousch> At work we have disgusting coffee, so I bring my own. I prefer a French Roast
[13:56] <ColonelPanic001> rick_h_: what is something you don't really "get into". There must be something you're not particular about. SOMETHING.
[13:56] <rick_h_> ColonelPanic001: hmmmm...I'll have to think about that. My brain doesn't work well that way.
[13:56] <brousch> Clothes?
[13:56] <ColonelPanic001> not that I mind personally. It benefits me because then I can say "vim question? I bet rick_h knows"
[13:56] <ColonelPanic001> "I sew my own, all the companies use the wrong stitch"
[13:57] <ColonelPanic001> noob question - what's french roast "mean"? Like, if I just get some Maxwell House french roast, for example. I tried it once, couldn't tell a difference in taste
[13:57] <rick_h_> brousch: well lately I'm a really big fan of Exofficio clothing. Gotten a ton of their stuff this summer
[13:57] <ColonelPanic001> SEE?
[13:58] <rick_h_> hey, best boxer briefs I've ever owned! :P
[13:58] <ColonelPanic001> <2015-05-23 12:35:00 rick_h_> Hey guys, I started carrying around my own bottle of air. Too much trace amounts of argon in the mainstream stuff.
[13:58] <rick_h_> I can't think of anything I get where I just go in, grab the cheapest thing on the shelf, and walk out. Not even paper towels or printer paper.
[13:59] <jrwren> calvin klien?
[13:59] <brousch> ColonelPanic001: I snorted some hummus out of my nose. Thanks
[13:59] <rick_h_> my brain just can't help but figure it out
[13:59] <ColonelPanic001> ;D
[13:59] <rick_h_> jrwren: never tried.
[13:59] <ColonelPanic001> Paper towels I use whatever, but toilet paper? Charmin extra soft. My wife made the mistake of extra strong once. ONCE.
[13:59] <ColonelPanic001> My ass deserves the best, damnit.
[13:59] <jrwren> they are my fav boxer brief.
[13:59] <ColonelPanic001> literally, in this case.
[13:59] <jrwren> and reasonably priced at costco :)
[14:00] <ColonelPanic001> now I'm looking up Exofficio, damnit.
[14:00] <brousch> ColonelPanic001: Toilet paper? Are you some kind of hill billy? Where's your bidet?
[14:00] <ColonelPanic001> comfortable boxer breifs really do make a huge difference in comfort
[14:00] <ColonelPanic001> brousch: never used one. I'll admit to curiosity, but... I don't know.
[14:00] <rick_h_> charmin is crap :P cottenele or bust
[14:00] <brousch> with aloe
[14:01] <ColonelPanic001> rick_h_: If I try this and my ass disagrees, I shall be annoyed.
[14:01] <rick_h_> ColonelPanic001: am I ever wrong? :P
[14:01] <ColonelPanic001> I haven't tried this Exofficio stuff yet. Maybe.
[14:01] <ColonelPanic001> rick_h_ needs to just start a blog about "stuff I recently decided is the best, with stats about why"
[14:01] <ColonelPanic001> then I can just save some time and follow it
[14:02] <rick_h_> hah! no, because then my wife would realize wtf I spend my time on and what I spend money on
[14:02] <ColonelPanic001> haha
[14:02] <rick_h_> the one password she can never have is to my amazon account
[14:02] <ColonelPanic001> .htaccess it and send me a log in
[14:02] <ColonelPanic001> haha
[14:02] <rick_h_> lol
[14:03] <rick_h_> it does suck though. I spent a freaking hour trying to find the right shoes for my son. I mean he's 3...do the shoes fit..good!@
[14:03] <ColonelPanic001> exactly.
[14:03] <ColonelPanic001> save me that time
[14:03] <ColonelPanic001> "just go get this exact model of Widget" "Thanks!"
[14:04] <rick_h_> but no, I've going "Well, he's got soccer once a week, and so it needs some cleat-like action. And we need one pair he can wear to church, and winter is coming to they should go up a bit to help keep snow/etc out"
[14:04] <ColonelPanic001> I have a feeling that if I weren't so cheap, I'd do the same thing really
[14:04] <ColonelPanic001> but my cheapness takes over and I just say "hell with it, this works"
[14:04] <ColonelPanic001> cheapness and a hatred of being in stores
[14:04] <rick_h_> yea, the internet saves me usually which helps
[14:04] <rick_h_> because I can compare reviews in multiple places easily
[14:04] <ColonelPanic001> yeah, I've been doing that more and more
[14:04] <ColonelPanic001> still need to find a damn furnace filter. stupid weird size in this house
[14:05] <rick_h_> "Hmm, no home depot the reviews of this shed are pretty good, but not on amazon. Maybe there's a shipping thing there"
[14:05] <brousch> Kid will need new shoes in 3 months anyways
[14:05] <rick_h_>  /no/on
[14:05] <rick_h_> exactly!
[14:05] <rick_h_> I want to not care...but...but...my brain hates me
[14:06] <jrwren> go to stride rite, let kid pick. done.
[14:06] <rick_h_> let hime pick?!
[14:06] <rick_h_> we do go there, and he plays with the toys while the decisions are made :P
[14:06] <ColonelPanic001> haha
[14:07] <ColonelPanic001> "BUT WHERE IS YOUR STATISTICAL ANALYSIS DONE IN R TO FIND THE BEST OPTIMAL SHOE?"
[14:07] <brousch> Consumers Rickports
[14:07] <ColonelPanic001> BLog name, right there
[14:07] <brousch> I'd subscribe to that
[14:07] <ColonelPanic001> use that
[14:07] <ColonelPanic001> please.
[14:07] <ColonelPanic001> brousch++
[14:59] <brousch> rick_h_: How the hell did you make that response so fast?
[15:00] <rick_h_> brousch: quality keyboard :P
[15:01] <rick_h_> there is power in the clicky
[15:01] <brousch> But there are links to relevant code too
[15:01] <rick_h_> and phone notifications help me know when you ask stuff in my posts
[15:01] <rick_h_> brousch: well, I know the bookie codebase well enough. When people ask questions they'll just about always get examples back in either bookie or charmworld/juju gui code since that stuff is in my head
[15:02] <rick_h_> I don't bother creating new fresh/clean bin's usually. "Left as an exercise to the reader"
[15:04] <brousch> I was reading this article, which is a pretty nice intro to core http://stackful-dev.com/discovering-sqlalchemy-core-the-relational-nosql-api-for-python.html
[15:04] <rick_h_> yea, sqlalchemy is an ORM, but inside there are the tools to write your own ORM. It's crazy cool like that
[15:04] <rick_h_> "don't like the sqlalchemy ORM, then use the underlying tools to write one you do like"
[15:14] <brousch> I wonder why gaynor created that project. I thought he was a big django user
[15:14] <rick_h_> he's working on rackspace/openstack stuff atm. I think they use some tornado
[15:14] <rick_h_> errr, whatever
[15:15] <rick_h_> but I mean he worked at quora for a bit and did a bunch of pylons stuff, he's all over the place. pypy all the things
[15:15] <jcastro> rick_h_: do you know if there's HDMI at the library?
[15:15] <jcastro> I just realized the input situation wrt. my demo
[15:15] <rick_h_> jcastro: I don't think so
[15:15] <rick_h_> jcastro: they've got more ports, but attempts to get at them have met resistence and we've not had the guts to try outselves
[15:16] <rick_h_> and don't recall hdmi on there
[15:17] <jcastro> hmm
[15:17] <jcastro> how about dvi?
[15:18] <rick_h_> I'd bring a vga-dvi adapter
[15:18]  * rick_h_ might have one...
[15:18] <rick_h_> maybe cmaloney (who's not here wtf) can speak up on it.
[15:19] <brousch> No snapl either
[15:19] <rick_h_> yea
[16:13] <rick_h_> man, coffee joulies + contigo ftw. Warm coffee 4+ hrs later
[16:13] <rick_h_> plus it's fun to freak out the starbucks peeks giving them a mug with joulies in it and they're like "You want to keep this crap in here?"
[16:29] <greg-g> joulies? I don't want to see rick_h_'s joulies
[16:30] <rick_h_> :P
[16:31] <greg-g> ahh, a kickstarter
[16:32] <rick_h_> yea, I got in after the kickstarter. Got some for my wife but then got another set for me now
[16:32] <rick_h_> with a really good thermos can get 4-6hrs of drinkable coffee
[16:32] <greg-g> "they work best with a really well insulated vessel" - no shit, so does nothing
[16:32] <greg-g> sorry, just making fun of the wording/clarity of the Wikipedia article
[17:01] <brousch> rick_h_: Wait, you leave a latte in a thermos for 6 hours?
[17:01] <rick_h_> brousch: almost
[17:04] <jcastro> where is craig bologna today?
[17:04] <brousch> That doesn't sound good. That's warm milk
[17:04] <brousch> You're gonna get the shits from that one day
[17:05] <rick_h_> brousch: lol, well it's soy. And it does get close to like a warm hot chocolate towards that long
[17:05] <rick_h_> but it's cool that you can start drinking it sooner and go longer. <3 the joulies
[17:05] <rick_h_> greg-g: yea, my wife though put them into a bit mug and was like "I don't think they really work"
[17:06] <rick_h_> because a coffee mug is about the worst thing to keep things warm in
[17:06] <greg-g>  drink faster
[17:06] <greg-g> :P
[17:06] <brousch> I used to get 4.5 hours out of a regular thermos
[17:06] <rick_h_> I got my wife and I one of these and <3 them http://www.amazon.com/Contigo-AUTOSEAL-Stainless-20-Ounce-Easy-Clean/dp/B009HVH4XO/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1381165603&sr=8-4&keywords=contigo
[17:08] <brousch> Mine was bigger. Would hold 1 pot of coffee
[17:08] <greg-g> define "1 pot"
[17:08] <greg-g> 1 hotel coffee pot is 1 coffee mug, so like 8 oz
[17:09] <brousch> 4 8-10oz cups
[17:10] <rick_h_> yea, I've got the 20oz which fits around 15/16oz after adding joulies? well a med starbucks at least
[17:10] <brousch> so 32oz probably
[17:10] <rick_h_> yea, that's a bit big for a cup holder type device
[17:10] <rick_h_> that's like "Let's hold some soup for lunch" material
[17:11] <brousch> Right. All morning!
[17:11] <brousch> 1 cup/hr
[17:11] <rick_h_> lol
[17:11] <rick_h_> all work day you mean, 8 10oz cups
[17:13] <brousch> nah, I rarely coffee-up after lunch
[17:17] <rick_h_> ah, the joys of seeing an email with a merge proposal go by, glance at it, get caremad seeing the diff and fuss about it even though it's already been reviewed and qa'd to be ok.
[17:19] <rick_h_> now wtf was I doing originally?
[17:19] <brousch> drinking a cuppa
[17:51] <cmaloney> Howdt
[17:51] <cmaloney> howdy, even
[17:51] <rick_h_> there's the man
[17:52] <rick_h_> jcastro: ask him about hdmi at MUG ^
[17:52] <cmaloney> IT's VGA all the way
[17:52] <cmaloney> i have a RaspPi HDMI to VGA adapter that might work
[17:52] <cmaloney> But if you have something that you know works that would be preferable
[17:53] <cmaloney> Just got back from Frankenmuth. :)
[17:53] <rick_h_> ah, good times? little rainy this weekend :(
[17:53] <cmaloney> Yeah, it was awesome
[17:54] <cmaloney> Great times
[18:13] <brousch> What do you do in Frankenmuth?
[18:13] <brousch> I've never been there
[18:14] <greg-g> smoke frankenscense
[18:15] <brousch> That does not surprise me from Mr. Ann Arbor and San Fran
[18:15] <greg-g> we don't say "san fran" we say "frisco"
[18:16] <brousch> Sounds like the state of your brain after smoking Frankincense
[18:17] <greg-g> I guess you don't smoke frankencense, you just burn it to cover up the smell of what you do smoke
[18:34] <ColonelPanic001> I look away, go to lunch, come back, and we're talking about this.
[18:34] <ColonelPanic001> now I have the munchies again
[19:00] <cmaloney> Heh
[19:00] <cmaloney> There's plenty of things to do in Frakenmuth
[19:00]  * greg-g eats PB&J
[19:00] <cmaloney> shop
[19:00] <cmaloney> eat
[19:00] <cmaloney> Laugh at how they're trying to make the down into Disney
[19:40] <rick_h_> lol "That's not an ipad, this is an ipad!" http://www.theverge.com/2013/10/7/4812630/fox-news-shepard-smith-news-deck
[19:43] <brousch> 1920x1080 on 55" at arm's length sucks
[19:43] <rick_h_> ok, so this is pre-retina :P
[19:44] <brousch> There are a few 50" 4K TVs now, but not touch screen
[19:52] <cmaloney> Wow, I'd hate to be the news-monkey pinching those news stories.
[20:06] <jrwren> is there a cmdline tool to zlib compress/decompress a stream? g(un)zip requires a gzip header
[20:14] <jrwren> python -c 'import sys,zlib;print zlib.decompress(sys.stdin.read())'
[20:14] <jrwren> :)
[20:14] <jrwren> imma use gzip anyway
[20:17] <mathomastech> So, I am working on some idea's to revive the LUG group in my area. It's been inactive for a while. Figured i'd throw out the link to my idea doc. A lot of the idea's are inspired by MUG and CHC. Could definitely use some input/advice etc. Never really done anything like this before.
[20:17] <mathomastech> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1-kmDQvJcUmkn3UIqFHo4ZmHxjOEq9ufCrfOf6MKNeOs/edit?usp=sharing
[20:19] <brousch> mathomastech: We revived the GRLUG with a weekly social event
[20:19] <brousch> Started on Saturday, then moved to Wednesday nights
[20:19] <brousch> Lining up speakers can be hard at first
[20:20] <brousch> Also, in general, colleges are poor places to meet. The college kids really don't care
[20:20] <brousch> Coffee houses and quiet pubs are better
[20:21] <mathomastech> brouch: I've thought about the speakers. Unfortunately I don't really have many connections here. I could probably do some of the easier topics (the ones listed under beginner) but not sure I have the knowledge/experience for the more advanced topics.
[20:22] <brousch> Yeah, that's why I think a social event is better. Basically just say you'll be hanging out the local coffeehouse and anyone who wants to stop by
[20:22] <brousch> You make the connections there and can then move into more technical meetings
[20:23] <brousch> Check with local hackerspaces to see if you could meet there
[20:24] <brousch> I love meetup.com, but it is expensive: $72/6 months
[20:24] <brousch> Also Linux types tend to be the most paranoid about being tracked by that kind of service
[20:25] <greg-g> also, google docs ;)
[20:25] <brousch> Seriously?
[20:25] <greg-g> yah
[20:25] <mathomastech> Looking up hackspaces now. Never really heard of them before, really neat concept
[20:25] <greg-g> text editing/sharing, we figured that problem out in FLOSS land
[20:26] <brousch> greg-g: What do you suggest?
[20:26] <greg-g> a wiki
[20:26] <cmaloney> Linux can be the refuge of some rather paranoid individuals.
[20:26] <brousch> That's a lot of infrastructure to maintain to share some text
[20:26] <greg-g> etherpad
[20:27] <greg-g> any of the freely hosted ones out there
[20:27] <greg-g> seriously, etherpad
[20:27] <greg-g> we use it everywhere inside WMF that needs realtime text collaboration (and it gets archived to a wiki, if need be)
[20:27] <cmaloney> I'd argue it's easier to not worry about the tools first and just get the word out whatever way you can
[20:27] <cmaloney> even if that's LinkedIn
[20:27] <greg-g> what cmaloney said
[20:28] <cmaloney> All you really need right now is a test for echo
[20:29] <cmaloney> The tools are secondary to finding out if there's someone else interested.
[20:29] <cmaloney> Once you have that, you can gauge what your group's paranoia / FLOSS / whatever leanings are
[20:29] <cmaloney> Some groups may be OK with a Google Doc
[20:30] <cmaloney> others may want to run Wordpress on a Raspberry Pi in their garage
[20:30]  * greg-g stops self from trolling
[20:30] <trevlar> meetup is good because once you create the group it'll probably notify a lot of "related" people that might be interested in it
[20:30] <trevlar> so you could get a good start from that
[20:30] <cmaloney> yeah, we've kicked around Meetup
[20:30] <mathomastech> Good deal. If I go the route of mostly hack nights to begin with, recording tools (GDocs, ether, etc) will be only a minor piece. Probably wouln't need to worry to much about that until technical meetings are established.
[20:30] <cmaloney> (for MUG)
[20:31] <cmaloney> greg-g: Oh don't worry. We're pretty sure that Raspberry Pi would be solar-powered. ;)
[20:33] <brousch> All you really need is a website and a mailing list. Mailing list for discussion, website to give people a single place to look for all of the info
[20:33] <brousch> PReferably a website with an easy to remember url so you can just tell people
[20:34] <rick_h_> greg-g: google docs ftw :P
[20:34] <rick_h_> mathomastech: I'd only do one a month
[20:34] <rick_h_> mathomastech: and maybe even just start a CHC like thing to get people around and make connections first
[20:34] <brousch> mathomastech: Is there an existing website or mailing list?
[20:35] <cmaloney> Something memorable like http://www.mybigblackcock.com/
[20:35] <mathomastech> rick_h_: http://norlug.org/
[20:35] <mathomastech> The mailing list is dead though. Can't subscribe or anything
[20:36] <brousch> Wow. Nicer than most LUG websites
[20:36] <brousch> heh 2008
[20:36] <cmaloney> Hello Drupal
[20:36] <mathomastech> brousch: Yea, it is pretty nice. It hasn't been updated for about 5 years though. I'd have to see about getting control from whoever is hosting it now to revamp and update it a bit.
[20:38] <mathomastech> rick_h_: I was actually planning on trying to do both, but then decided that a CHC clone can be part of the LUG.
[20:38] <brousch> With no working mailing list, attempt to contact the webmaster:  Adam Gurno <adam.gurno@gmail.com>
[20:38] <brousch> I would try to work with the existing folks before starting a new group
[20:39] <brousch> Introduce yourself. Politely ask about the status of the group and its resources. Mention that you'd like to get it going again
[20:39] <mathomastech> brousch: Yep. I've joined the still active (5 idlers) #norlug channel and the minnesota chanel and talked to them a bit about reviving it.
[20:40] <brousch> After meeting in person, they will probably be willing to hand over some control to you