[13:37] 'morning [13:37] morn [13:41] that's all I have the {energy,motivation} to type out [13:42] IT'S GREAT TO BE ALIVE! [13:42] yes, because being alive, I can drink coffee. Which I'm doing. Right now. [13:43] yep, coffee in hand [13:45] Wait, what? rick_h_ I thought you were a tea man [13:46] brousch: I've become a coffee snob this summer (or at least a latte snob) [13:46] and I do my iced tea after my morning coffee [13:46] LAtte is where it starts. Then you back out the cream and sugar until you become a real coffee snob drinking it black [13:51] and then espresso [13:51] mmm... and then your own pour throughs [13:51] threws? [13:51] wtf is throughs, lol [13:51] through [13:53] heh, pot, grinder, and frother are enough coffee tweaking accessories for now [13:53] I did the same - had a late night or two in a row about a year ago, suddenly overnight I aquired the taste for coffee [13:53] I still drink more tea, but in the morning, once in a while, coffee is fantastic [13:54] I like my immersion drip system. Small and portable. [13:54] and on weekends at home, I drink a few cups of decaf. I don't keep the "real" stuff at home, try ot keep caffeine intake reasonable [13:54] portable is for a coffee shop drive through :P [13:54] Need to store it in my desk :P [13:54] but we have a moka pot and take the frother in the camper (just pre-grind) [13:54] I just drink meijer brand decaf. Shudder in disgust, coffee snobs [13:55] <3 Hazelnut [13:55] I aquired the taste for coffee enough to enjoy it, but still drink it rarely enough to not be picky about it. [13:55] I save snobbery for tea and beer [13:55] I can't get coffee at the caribou because I've gotten picky about it. Now at CHC I just get a root beer or something [13:55] hopefully the move to Peets will fix that. The Peets in CA had a great latte [13:56] At work we have disgusting coffee, so I bring my own. I prefer a French Roast [13:56] rick_h_: what is something you don't really "get into". There must be something you're not particular about. SOMETHING. [13:56] ColonelPanic001: hmmmm...I'll have to think about that. My brain doesn't work well that way. [13:56] Clothes? [13:56] not that I mind personally. It benefits me because then I can say "vim question? I bet rick_h knows" [13:56] "I sew my own, all the companies use the wrong stitch" [13:57] noob question - what's french roast "mean"? Like, if I just get some Maxwell House french roast, for example. I tried it once, couldn't tell a difference in taste [13:57] brousch: well lately I'm a really big fan of Exofficio clothing. Gotten a ton of their stuff this summer [13:57] SEE? [13:58] hey, best boxer briefs I've ever owned! :P [13:58] <2015-05-23 12:35:00 rick_h_> Hey guys, I started carrying around my own bottle of air. Too much trace amounts of argon in the mainstream stuff. [13:58] I can't think of anything I get where I just go in, grab the cheapest thing on the shelf, and walk out. Not even paper towels or printer paper. [13:59] calvin klien? [13:59] ColonelPanic001: I snorted some hummus out of my nose. Thanks [13:59] my brain just can't help but figure it out [13:59] ;D [13:59] jrwren: never tried. [13:59] Paper towels I use whatever, but toilet paper? Charmin extra soft. My wife made the mistake of extra strong once. ONCE. [13:59] My ass deserves the best, damnit. [13:59] they are my fav boxer brief. [13:59] literally, in this case. [13:59] and reasonably priced at costco :) [14:00] now I'm looking up Exofficio, damnit. [14:00] ColonelPanic001: Toilet paper? Are you some kind of hill billy? Where's your bidet? [14:00] comfortable boxer breifs really do make a huge difference in comfort [14:00] brousch: never used one. I'll admit to curiosity, but... I don't know. [14:00] charmin is crap :P cottenele or bust [14:00] with aloe [14:01] rick_h_: If I try this and my ass disagrees, I shall be annoyed. [14:01] ColonelPanic001: am I ever wrong? :P [14:01] I haven't tried this Exofficio stuff yet. Maybe. [14:01] rick_h_ needs to just start a blog about "stuff I recently decided is the best, with stats about why" [14:01] then I can just save some time and follow it [14:02] hah! no, because then my wife would realize wtf I spend my time on and what I spend money on [14:02] haha [14:02] the one password she can never have is to my amazon account [14:02] .htaccess it and send me a log in [14:02] haha [14:02] lol [14:03] it does suck though. I spent a freaking hour trying to find the right shoes for my son. I mean he's 3...do the shoes fit..good!@ [14:03] exactly. [14:03] save me that time [14:03] "just go get this exact model of Widget" "Thanks!" [14:04] but no, I've going "Well, he's got soccer once a week, and so it needs some cleat-like action. And we need one pair he can wear to church, and winter is coming to they should go up a bit to help keep snow/etc out" [14:04] I have a feeling that if I weren't so cheap, I'd do the same thing really [14:04] but my cheapness takes over and I just say "hell with it, this works" [14:04] cheapness and a hatred of being in stores [14:04] yea, the internet saves me usually which helps [14:04] because I can compare reviews in multiple places easily [14:04] yeah, I've been doing that more and more [14:04] still need to find a damn furnace filter. stupid weird size in this house [14:05] "Hmm, no home depot the reviews of this shed are pretty good, but not on amazon. Maybe there's a shipping thing there" [14:05] Kid will need new shoes in 3 months anyways [14:05] /no/on [14:05] exactly! [14:05] I want to not care...but...but...my brain hates me [14:06] go to stride rite, let kid pick. done. [14:06] let hime pick?! [14:06] we do go there, and he plays with the toys while the decisions are made :P [14:06] haha [14:07] "BUT WHERE IS YOUR STATISTICAL ANALYSIS DONE IN R TO FIND THE BEST OPTIMAL SHOE?" [14:07] Consumers Rickports [14:07] BLog name, right there [14:07] I'd subscribe to that [14:07] use that [14:07] please. [14:07] brousch++ [14:59] rick_h_: How the hell did you make that response so fast? [15:00] brousch: quality keyboard :P [15:01] there is power in the clicky [15:01] But there are links to relevant code too [15:01] and phone notifications help me know when you ask stuff in my posts [15:01] brousch: well, I know the bookie codebase well enough. When people ask questions they'll just about always get examples back in either bookie or charmworld/juju gui code since that stuff is in my head [15:02] I don't bother creating new fresh/clean bin's usually. "Left as an exercise to the reader" [15:04] I was reading this article, which is a pretty nice intro to core http://stackful-dev.com/discovering-sqlalchemy-core-the-relational-nosql-api-for-python.html [15:04] yea, sqlalchemy is an ORM, but inside there are the tools to write your own ORM. It's crazy cool like that [15:04] "don't like the sqlalchemy ORM, then use the underlying tools to write one you do like" [15:14] I wonder why gaynor created that project. I thought he was a big django user [15:14] he's working on rackspace/openstack stuff atm. I think they use some tornado [15:14] errr, whatever [15:15] but I mean he worked at quora for a bit and did a bunch of pylons stuff, he's all over the place. pypy all the things [15:15] rick_h_: do you know if there's HDMI at the library? [15:15] I just realized the input situation wrt. my demo [15:15] jcastro: I don't think so [15:15] jcastro: they've got more ports, but attempts to get at them have met resistence and we've not had the guts to try outselves [15:16] and don't recall hdmi on there [15:17] hmm [15:17] how about dvi? [15:18] I'd bring a vga-dvi adapter [15:18] * rick_h_ might have one... [15:18] maybe cmaloney (who's not here wtf) can speak up on it. [15:19] No snapl either [15:19] yea [16:13] man, coffee joulies + contigo ftw. Warm coffee 4+ hrs later [16:13] plus it's fun to freak out the starbucks peeks giving them a mug with joulies in it and they're like "You want to keep this crap in here?" [16:29] joulies? I don't want to see rick_h_'s joulies [16:30] :P [16:31] ahh, a kickstarter [16:32] yea, I got in after the kickstarter. Got some for my wife but then got another set for me now [16:32] with a really good thermos can get 4-6hrs of drinkable coffee [16:32] "they work best with a really well insulated vessel" - no shit, so does nothing [16:32] sorry, just making fun of the wording/clarity of the Wikipedia article [17:01] rick_h_: Wait, you leave a latte in a thermos for 6 hours? [17:01] brousch: almost [17:04] where is craig bologna today? [17:04] That doesn't sound good. That's warm milk [17:04] You're gonna get the shits from that one day [17:05] brousch: lol, well it's soy. And it does get close to like a warm hot chocolate towards that long [17:05] but it's cool that you can start drinking it sooner and go longer. <3 the joulies [17:05] greg-g: yea, my wife though put them into a bit mug and was like "I don't think they really work" [17:06] because a coffee mug is about the worst thing to keep things warm in [17:06] drink faster [17:06] :P [17:06] I used to get 4.5 hours out of a regular thermos [17:06] I got my wife and I one of these and <3 them http://www.amazon.com/Contigo-AUTOSEAL-Stainless-20-Ounce-Easy-Clean/dp/B009HVH4XO/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1381165603&sr=8-4&keywords=contigo [17:08] Mine was bigger. Would hold 1 pot of coffee [17:08] define "1 pot" [17:08] 1 hotel coffee pot is 1 coffee mug, so like 8 oz [17:09] 4 8-10oz cups [17:10] yea, I've got the 20oz which fits around 15/16oz after adding joulies? well a med starbucks at least [17:10] so 32oz probably [17:10] yea, that's a bit big for a cup holder type device [17:10] that's like "Let's hold some soup for lunch" material [17:11] Right. All morning! [17:11] 1 cup/hr [17:11] lol [17:11] all work day you mean, 8 10oz cups [17:13] nah, I rarely coffee-up after lunch [17:17] ah, the joys of seeing an email with a merge proposal go by, glance at it, get caremad seeing the diff and fuss about it even though it's already been reviewed and qa'd to be ok. [17:19] now wtf was I doing originally? [17:19] drinking a cuppa [17:51] Howdt [17:51] howdy, even [17:51] there's the man [17:52] jcastro: ask him about hdmi at MUG ^ [17:52] IT's VGA all the way [17:52] i have a RaspPi HDMI to VGA adapter that might work [17:52] But if you have something that you know works that would be preferable [17:53] Just got back from Frankenmuth. :) [17:53] ah, good times? little rainy this weekend :( [17:53] Yeah, it was awesome [17:54] Great times [18:13] What do you do in Frankenmuth? [18:13] I've never been there [18:14] smoke frankenscense [18:15] That does not surprise me from Mr. Ann Arbor and San Fran [18:15] we don't say "san fran" we say "frisco" [18:16] Sounds like the state of your brain after smoking Frankincense [18:17] I guess you don't smoke frankencense, you just burn it to cover up the smell of what you do smoke [18:34] I look away, go to lunch, come back, and we're talking about this. [18:34] now I have the munchies again [19:00] Heh [19:00] There's plenty of things to do in Frakenmuth [19:00] * greg-g eats PB&J [19:00] shop [19:00] eat [19:00] Laugh at how they're trying to make the down into Disney [19:40] lol "That's not an ipad, this is an ipad!" http://www.theverge.com/2013/10/7/4812630/fox-news-shepard-smith-news-deck [19:43] 1920x1080 on 55" at arm's length sucks [19:43] ok, so this is pre-retina :P [19:44] There are a few 50" 4K TVs now, but not touch screen === scott_ is now known as Guest84994 [19:52] Wow, I'd hate to be the news-monkey pinching those news stories. [20:06] is there a cmdline tool to zlib compress/decompress a stream? g(un)zip requires a gzip header [20:14] python -c 'import sys,zlib;print zlib.decompress(sys.stdin.read())' [20:14] :) [20:14] imma use gzip anyway [20:17] So, I am working on some idea's to revive the LUG group in my area. It's been inactive for a while. Figured i'd throw out the link to my idea doc. A lot of the idea's are inspired by MUG and CHC. Could definitely use some input/advice etc. Never really done anything like this before. [20:17] https://docs.google.com/document/d/1-kmDQvJcUmkn3UIqFHo4ZmHxjOEq9ufCrfOf6MKNeOs/edit?usp=sharing [20:19] mathomastech: We revived the GRLUG with a weekly social event [20:19] Started on Saturday, then moved to Wednesday nights [20:19] Lining up speakers can be hard at first [20:20] Also, in general, colleges are poor places to meet. The college kids really don't care [20:20] Coffee houses and quiet pubs are better [20:21] brouch: I've thought about the speakers. Unfortunately I don't really have many connections here. I could probably do some of the easier topics (the ones listed under beginner) but not sure I have the knowledge/experience for the more advanced topics. [20:22] Yeah, that's why I think a social event is better. Basically just say you'll be hanging out the local coffeehouse and anyone who wants to stop by [20:22] You make the connections there and can then move into more technical meetings [20:23] Check with local hackerspaces to see if you could meet there [20:24] I love meetup.com, but it is expensive: $72/6 months [20:24] Also Linux types tend to be the most paranoid about being tracked by that kind of service [20:25] also, google docs ;) [20:25] Seriously? [20:25] yah [20:25] Looking up hackspaces now. Never really heard of them before, really neat concept [20:25] text editing/sharing, we figured that problem out in FLOSS land [20:26] greg-g: What do you suggest? [20:26] a wiki [20:26] Linux can be the refuge of some rather paranoid individuals. [20:26] That's a lot of infrastructure to maintain to share some text [20:26] etherpad [20:27] any of the freely hosted ones out there [20:27] seriously, etherpad [20:27] we use it everywhere inside WMF that needs realtime text collaboration (and it gets archived to a wiki, if need be) [20:27] I'd argue it's easier to not worry about the tools first and just get the word out whatever way you can [20:27] even if that's LinkedIn [20:27] what cmaloney said [20:28] All you really need right now is a test for echo [20:29] The tools are secondary to finding out if there's someone else interested. [20:29] Once you have that, you can gauge what your group's paranoia / FLOSS / whatever leanings are [20:29] Some groups may be OK with a Google Doc [20:30] others may want to run Wordpress on a Raspberry Pi in their garage [20:30] * greg-g stops self from trolling [20:30] meetup is good because once you create the group it'll probably notify a lot of "related" people that might be interested in it [20:30] so you could get a good start from that [20:30] yeah, we've kicked around Meetup [20:30] Good deal. If I go the route of mostly hack nights to begin with, recording tools (GDocs, ether, etc) will be only a minor piece. Probably wouln't need to worry to much about that until technical meetings are established. [20:30] (for MUG) [20:31] greg-g: Oh don't worry. We're pretty sure that Raspberry Pi would be solar-powered. ;) [20:33] All you really need is a website and a mailing list. Mailing list for discussion, website to give people a single place to look for all of the info [20:33] PReferably a website with an easy to remember url so you can just tell people [20:34] greg-g: google docs ftw :P [20:34] mathomastech: I'd only do one a month [20:34] mathomastech: and maybe even just start a CHC like thing to get people around and make connections first [20:34] mathomastech: Is there an existing website or mailing list? [20:35] Something memorable like http://www.mybigblackcock.com/ [20:35] rick_h_: http://norlug.org/ [20:35] The mailing list is dead though. Can't subscribe or anything [20:36] Wow. Nicer than most LUG websites [20:36] heh 2008 [20:36] Hello Drupal [20:36] brousch: Yea, it is pretty nice. It hasn't been updated for about 5 years though. I'd have to see about getting control from whoever is hosting it now to revamp and update it a bit. [20:38] rick_h_: I was actually planning on trying to do both, but then decided that a CHC clone can be part of the LUG. [20:38] With no working mailing list, attempt to contact the webmaster: Adam Gurno [20:38] I would try to work with the existing folks before starting a new group [20:39] Introduce yourself. Politely ask about the status of the group and its resources. Mention that you'd like to get it going again [20:39] brousch: Yep. I've joined the still active (5 idlers) #norlug channel and the minnesota chanel and talked to them a bit about reviving it. [20:40] After meeting in person, they will probably be willing to hand over some control to you