[00:55] <holstein> zequence: ping
[03:57] <zequence> holstein: pong
[06:12] <smartboyhw> OvenWerks, bug 1236111
[06:21] <smartboyhw> Found where the bug occurred, but where should we point to?
[06:22] <smartboyhw> zequence, ^
[06:24]  * smartboyhw checks the Quantal version
[06:24] <smartboyhw> Anyone disagree with replacing xfhelp4.desktop to exo-open --launch WebBrowser https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuStudio ?
[06:25] <smartboyhw> (Other ideas are welcome)
[09:15] <zequence> smartboyhw: That would be fine
[09:16] <zequence> I'm off back to the dentist soon. Something is not right. The pain meds aren't helping much.
[09:41] <smartboyhw> zequence, OK for the first sentence, :( for the second...
[10:23] <smartboyhw> Erm, just realized it's simply a duplicate of Bug 1041882 (the old old bug)
[10:36] <xequence> smartboyhw, I saw that the meta went through. Nice job
[10:43] <smartboyhw> xequence, not the -menu
[10:43] <smartboyhw> Riddell says the email is not enough, it still needs a ACK directly from -doc and -translators
[10:43] <smartboyhw> xequence, the SRU is now waiting for sponsorship:)
[10:44] <xequence> Ok. Well, we can always fix that afterwards, so no problem
[10:53] <xequence> I'm just sitting, awaiting my appointment. Luckily it won't cost me nothing. Fixing teeth is not all that cheap. 
[10:54] <smartboyhw> xequence, why does it not cost you anything? :O
[10:54] <xequence> It's included in the procedure. If I get problems, they just fix it. 
[10:55] <xequence> I already paid for it. 
[10:57] <smartboyhw> xequence, huh, in HK that does not necessarily happen
[10:57] <smartboyhw> (Not saying that it wouldn't)
[10:57] <xequence> We used to have free dental care. I miss the old days of socialism. 
[10:58] <xequence> We still have free medical care of course. That, and free education. 
[10:59] <smartboyhw> xequence, free medical care does not exist in Hong Kong.
[10:59] <smartboyhw> "Free education" does.
[11:00] <smartboyhw> If somebody pushes for free medical care in HK, it would just submerge into the same situation as it is in USA now.
[11:01] <xequence> It's one of the corner stones in s free society of you ask me. 
[11:04] <smartboyhw> xequence, "free" society in Hong Kong? It's utopia...
[11:04] <xequence> Why. It's not elsewhere
[11:35] <smartboyhw> xequence, I don't think so
[11:35] <smartboyhw> Actually, "free" education in HK always has arguments over how many years
[11:36] <smartboyhw> Originally it's 9, now it's 12 and people are planning for 15 (i.e. kindergarden + primary + secondary_
[11:37] <xequence> Should be free all the way to the University
[11:38] <smartboyhw> xequence, aw..
[11:38] <smartboyhw> xequence, is Swedish politics very complicated...
[11:38] <smartboyhw> >
[11:38] <smartboyhw> ?
[11:43] <xequence> Not really. They are all so alike, it's boring almost. Except for the emerging Nazi parties that you see everywhere in Europe. But, those are marginal. 
[11:44] <smartboyhw> xequence, you're fortunate
[11:44] <smartboyhw> In HK, it's just arguments everywhere
[11:47] <xequence> Much of what exists today is Thanks to a dominant socialistic rule in the past, and a much stronger economy. At least I don't think it would be as easy to make some of those changes today. 
[11:47] <xequence> .. for the same reason
[11:51] <xequence> Also, countries were more isolated. Today it's a global mess. 
[11:58] <xequence> smartboyhw, you've really done a lot of good work lately. I'm really happy that you are apart of our team. I think you are becoming a valuable contributor to the Ubuntu community as a whole. 
[11:58] <smartboyhw> xequence, thank you:)
[11:59] <smartboyhw> Now closing some bugs in ubuntustudio-default-settings that were EOL (bug triaging time)
[12:01] <smartboyhw> xequence, OvenWerks what happened to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntustudio-default-settings/+bug/984970 in the end?
[12:01] <xequence> That's not a bug
[12:01] <smartboyhw> xequence, closing it then...
[12:01] <smartboyhw> What about Bug 980059 + Bug 980060
[12:02] <xequence> I need to look through those at home
[12:03] <smartboyhw> xequence, sure, whenever you see fit
[12:04] <smartboyhw> OK, this bug marking job is tiring:P
[12:08] <smartboyhw> xequential, xequence OvenWerks though, do make sure you apply for ubuntustudio upload access someday:)
[12:12] <smartboyhw> I miss ScottK;(
[12:12] <smartboyhw> And ScottL
[12:12] <smartboyhw> ScottK for his SRU powers
[12:12] <smartboyhw> (even for a few days)
[12:13] <smartboyhw> And ScottL for his leading position for Studio
[12:13] <smartboyhw> All Scotts sound nice;)
[12:14] <smartboyhw> xequential, just realized it's actually a full cycle since you've been project lead, congratulations!
[12:16] <zequence> smartboyhw: Thanks
[12:16] <zequence> It's been a really slow cycle for me, as a developer, but I've been around to answer questions and what not, so that's good
[12:19] <smartboyhw> zequence, BTW, we seriously have to discuss about participation in vUDS
[12:19] <smartboyhw> (First thing: I can't appear in video, as you well know)
[12:19] <xequential> Yeah, this time we will have a session
[12:19] <smartboyhw> xequential, OK, do we want one with blueprints, or just one without?
[12:20] <smartboyhw> (i.e. a general discussion)
[12:20] <xequential> I've been planning that all along.  Mostly for attracting developers
[12:20] <xequential> More for the sake of PR.
[12:20] <xequential> But we also need to have a few meetings
[12:21] <smartboyhw> xequential, for meetings I prefer 15:00 UTC, where most people would be here:P
[12:21] <xequential> That should work on weekends at least
[14:12] <smartboyhw> Hello cub 
[14:14] <cub> hi there smartboyhw, how's things?
[14:14] <smartboyhw> cub, good
[14:20] <cub> smartboyhw, how can I proceed with my stubborn accessibility task for Orca? It need to have speech-dispatcher to be able to do voice during the installation process. We added gnoem-orca and brltty before FF. But how do I add speech-dispatcher at this point?
[14:20] <cub> I suppose I'll make a bug whiuch then can be fixeD?
[14:21] <smartboyhw> cub, mmm, you're quite late.... It's 3 days before FinalFreeze
[14:23] <cub> yeah it is what it is
[14:23] <cub> if we manage, great. If not, we'll wait for 14.04. :)
[14:25] <smartboyhw> cub, what you need to do: 1. Make gnome-orca in gnome-orca source package's debian/control Suggests: speech-dispatcher. 2. File an FFe. 3. Ask for a sponsor to upload it.
[14:25] <smartboyhw> Or wait, you mean during the installation process?
[14:25] <smartboyhw> Eh, that's more difficult
[14:25] <cub> yes
[14:26] <smartboyhw> cub, you probably have to touch the seeds (and I'm not sure if you have to touch ubuntustudio-default-settings)
[14:26] <cub> it was very easy to add gnome-orca and brltty earlier?
[14:27] <cub> just too bad gnome-orca didn't list the speech-dispatcher as a dependency as I thought it was
[14:28] <smartboyhw> cub, you need an ACK from zequence and/or OvenWerks first to add speech-dispatcher into the seeds. (
[14:28] <cub> ok, and then?
[14:28] <smartboyhw> (Then we might have to properly request a FFe to update ubuntustudio-meta) <- cub, you want speech-dispatcher in the system after installation as well?
[14:29] <smartboyhw> ACK from the two big devs -> update seeds -> (FFe to update ubuntustudio-meta)
[14:29] <cub> well yeah, if you are a person who need speech during installation I assume you would need it after the installation is done as well. :D
[14:30] <smartboyhw> cub, ok, we need to update seeds and ask for a FFe then
[14:30] <smartboyhw> Update seeds are easier
[14:30] <smartboyhw> Just do what you did last time
[14:30] <cub> is it possible to get a FFe through this close?
[14:31] <smartboyhw> cub, it depends.
[14:31] <cub> What I mean is, should we bother?
[14:31] <smartboyhw> cub, that's why I need an ACK from zequence + OvenWerks 
[14:32] <cub> I'll catch them later on today.
[14:32] <smartboyhw> cub, maybe do the change, and propose a merge proposal first?
[14:32] <cub> yeah
[14:32] <smartboyhw> We can accept/reject it if they like;)
[14:32] <cub> but I need my home computer for the luanchpad
[14:32] <smartboyhw> cub, huh!?
[14:32] <smartboyhw> Why?
[14:32] <cub> I don't have a proper set up on my work computer
[14:33] <smartboyhw> uh ok
[14:33] <smartboyhw> cub, have you requested a FFe before?
[14:33] <cub> nope
[14:33] <smartboyhw> (I mean, generally(
[14:34] <smartboyhw> cub, you need some experience on that part
[14:34] <smartboyhw> SRU + FFe is something Ubuntu devs learn to file;)
[14:34] <cub> that's why I'm asking you about the process
[14:35] <cub> however, I have to go. Work is piling up :/
[14:35] <smartboyhw> cub, sure
[14:35] <cub> I'll be back later on 
[14:36] <smartboyhw> xequential, ^
[15:35] <zequence> holstein: hey man
[15:35] <holstein> zequence: yo
[15:35] <zequence> holstein: you pinged me yesterday. What's up?
[15:35] <holstein> zequence: my shell account is dropping me :/
[15:35] <smartboyhw> Hello holstein :)
[15:35] <holstein> lots of reboots
[15:36] <holstein> zequence: i was just going to ask about that bug question in the main channel
[15:36] <holstein> i think smartboyhw is on it..
[15:36] <zequence> Ah, yeag
[15:36] <holstein> the "help button" opening firefox and going 404
[15:36] <smartboyhw> zequence, what do you think of the discussion between me and cub?
[15:36] <zequence> He managed that, yes
[15:36] <smartboyhw> holstein, waiting for some kind person to sponsor the upload (and a SRU team member to ACK it afterwards, of course)
[15:37] <holstein> smartboyhw: you're a star :)
[15:37] <holstein> smartboyhw: maybe i can take some time and hang with you and catch up on how you deal with those issues
[15:37] <zequence> smartboyhw: I won't bother about it for 13.10, myself. So, I'll leave that to him, if he really wants to try getting it in
[15:37] <holstein> i had done the bug squad sponsorship, but i got too busy
[15:38] <smartboyhw> holstein, well, it's just because I've got half day off-school and no homework and boringness before FinalFreeze:P
[15:38] <smartboyhw> zequence, it's not a problem on 13.10
[15:38] <zequence> 13.10 is not unimportant, but it's so close to 14.04, which will overshadow it
[15:38] <smartboyhw> It's just a problem on 12.04
[15:38] <smartboyhw> (in case we are talking of the 404 problem)
[15:38] <smartboyhw> zequence, or are you talking about the speech-dispatcher?
[15:38]  * smartboyhw gets confused between two bugs:P
[15:39] <zequence> I also want to put special focus on 14.04 as far as maintenance goes. We need to start doing backports and updating software, making 14.04 an up tp date release all the way up until 16.04
[15:39] <smartboyhw> *Two packages...
[15:39] <holstein> i like the shorter normal releases
[15:39] <zequence> That way we can put less focus on the interim releases
[15:39]  * smartboyhw agrees with holstein 
[15:39] <holstein> not that many things were backported to the normal releases, but that shorter term should make things easier
[15:40] <smartboyhw> zequence, good time to have our first few MREs:P
[15:40] <zequence> backporting means we need to do testing. So we don't backport something that introduces some weird problem
[15:40] <zequence> so, we really need to get on board the whole testing thing for this cycle. make it into a system, and find more contributors
[15:41] <smartboyhw> The more contributors thing is what we REALLY need... We are basically the second or third least-tested flavour...
[15:42] <zequence> I'm going to put as much work as I can into making 14.04 a great release, one which will overshadow all others. And, after that, I will be less active developing Ubuntu Studio. I'll continue as a project lead until we either get a bigger team and can have elections, or until the time is right for someone else to take over, who I choose.
[15:43] <smartboyhw> zequence, hah? That's not exactly great news.....
[15:43] <zequence> The goal is to make 14.04 so good, we don't really need any more releases until 16.04.
[15:43] <smartboyhw> (For the less active part)
[15:43] <zequence> I need to work on other things in the future
[15:44] <zequence> I have some plans for Debian. But, also, my own stuff. Music, mostly.
[15:44] <smartboyhw> Hopefully we do get more contributors, if not Len and cub and me will go overloaded-.-
[15:44] <zequence> No, I think you'll be fine no matter how things goes
[15:45] <zequence> If 14.04 is great, we hardly need to do anything until 16.04. Each middle release needs minor amounts of maintenance.
[15:45] <smartboyhw> I think one thing we need to emphasize when asking for contributors is that "It does not require actual coding knowledge!"
[15:45] <smartboyhw> Actual = C++ and that sort of stuff
[15:46] <smartboyhw> Yeah, after 14.04 LTS we won't be sure if there will be normal releases...
[15:47] <zequence> Right. We don't even know what will happen after that
[15:47] <smartboyhw> Probably they will smash normal releases
[15:49] <zequence> Well, right now I'm happy if I can be pain free for a little while. Got some stronger pain meds, and they don't work either when it gets bad
[15:50] <smartboyhw> zequence, smash pain:)
[18:09] <cub> Hi OvenWerks or zequence active?
[18:40] <zequence> cub: I'd not worry about that stuff for 13.10
[18:40] <zequence> It would be nice, but it's so late.
[18:40] <zequence> And 14.04 is soon here
[18:41] <cub> yeah, I got caught up in work and family so couldn't put as much time into it earlier
[18:41] <cub> alas, orca will work for users with braille support. I just can't test it myself.
[18:44] <cub> I'll dig in to the workflows instead and the upcoming RC tests.
[18:44] <zequence> cub: I think it's really nice you've put some time into that
[18:44] <zequence> cub: It may be we are the only multimedia capable OS who are able to do that well
[18:45] <zequence> cub: Maybe there's not much left to do for 14.04, to get that optimized?
[18:45] <cub> it might be even better for 14.04 as orca works best under Gnome
[18:45] <cub> dinner's ready..bbl :D