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bigcalmGood morning peeps :)08:14
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brobostigongood morning everyone,08:22
Laneyxnox: royal mail?08:32
xnoxLaney: yeap.08:35
Laneythinking about that08:35
Laneyhow easy is it?08:35
czajkowskialoha08:36
Laneyczzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzajkowski08:37
xnoxLaney: gov.uk website, web form, debit card, done. 3 minutes max.08:39
xnoxLaney: https://www.gov.uk/royalmailshares08:40
Laneyxnox: I felt obliged to read the huge prospectus08:43
Laneyand then it asked me about share dealers or something08:43
Laneyso got scared off08:43
xnoxLaney: if you are planning to invest under 10 000, just do it via gov.uk website (which is managed by a dedicated share dealer Royal Mail Share Dealings or some such)08:44
Laneyyeah08:44
LaneyI don't understand what that even means08:44
xnoxLaney: or if you have existing investments accounts with your bank / mortgage / pension provider / stocks ISA, you could place an order through your dealer.08:44
Laneywould it be better to get a stocks and shares ISA for this?08:45
xnoxLaney: it means that you get an email that you have shares, yet physical printed copies are stored elsewhere in your name.08:45
xnoxLaney: could be, but the set-up takes about 2 weeks usually. And not worth the fees for an individual investment. Makes sense to have stocks & shares ISA, if you are into tracking news and spreading funds and making your decisions.08:46
JamesTaitGood morning all! Happy Face Your Fears Day! :-D09:10
shaunothat doesn't sound very happy :/09:14
JamesTaitshauno, I can't think of anything more positive. :)09:17
JamesTaitWell, I probably could if I tried.09:18
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davmor2_Morning all10:01
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bigcalmMorning davmor210:05
SuperMattoh man, I just jammed a new disk in my machine, ran btrfs device add and BLAMMO! I now one large disk instead of two of separate ones10:19
SuperMatt<3 btrfs10:19
SuperMattI'm becoming more and more convinced to switch on my home PC10:19
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xnoxSuperMatt: yes, now think about it, you no longer can unplug either of the hard-drivers. And if either of them fails you lose all your data.10:22
xnoxSuperMatt: thus you now have doubled your chances of loosing your data due to hardware failure.10:23
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brobostigonwhy not raid them? then no risk.10:24
SuperMattxnox: sure, but this isn't a production machine, this is just my work PC. I save all my important stuff to the network drive10:24
SuperMattand at home, I have other backup solutions10:25
xnoxbrobostigon: doing raid 1, sure you can, but then no space gain either =(10:25
brobostigonxnox: no space gain, bur safer, whichever is the priority.10:25
xnoxbrobostigon: true, it's just e.g. there is no way at the moment to have two btrfs pools, one per drive. That way one would preserve data-locality and disaster locality.10:26
brobostigonxnox: i see, fair point,10:27
xnoxbrobostigon: e.g. if one drive has / and the other drive has /home, then with ext4, one hardware failure takes out only that part of data. With btrfs it always takes out all.10:27
xnox=)10:27
* popey hugs btrfs10:29
popeydon't listen to the horrible man10:29
popeySuperMatt: what kernel you running?10:29
SuperMatt 3.11.0-11-generic10:30
SuperMattI'm saucy, baby10:30
SuperMattI'm almost always on +110:31
popeyon the machine running btrfs?10:31
SuperMattyup10:31
brobostigonxnox: very true.10:37
bigcalmWhat looks best of the following?11:21
bigcalmRun time: 2m 3s11:21
bigcalmRuntime: 2m 3s11:21
bigcalmRun-time: 2m 3s11:21
bigcalmWhich looks best11:21
bigcalmI cannot English today11:22
davmor2bigcalm: Time Taken ;)11:22
mgdmdavmor2++11:22
shaunowe always use runtime as one word, but that doesn't mean it's english, just jargon11:22
bigcalmHumf11:22
bigcalmI'm not sure I like the double capitalisation11:23
DJonesUgh, changing work email providers is a pain, changeover great, but the amount of spam/virus/malware infected crap coming through on new account is annoying11:23
mgdmbigcalm: then fix it :P11:23
bigcalmmgdm: so ... much ... effort11:23
shaunoI hated our change-over because they got rid of my shortname.  I used to have shaun.o'neil@ and soneil@, and would always use the shortname because why the hell did they put an apostrophe in my email address. WHY?!11:24
mgdmbecause it's perfectly valid! but not supported by basically anyone :)11:24
davmor2bigcalm: depends who has to look at it.  If it is real people then use real words that mean something.  Runtime: to me means that the process is still running and has been for x time.  Time taken: (lower case second word) says this is how long it took.11:25
shaunooh it's RFC-valid.  just not planet-earth valid.  total sad panda territory.11:25
davmor2bigcalm: think Uptime on a server for example :)11:25
bigcalmFair enough11:26
bigcalmTime taken it is then11:26
popeyhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaJtjJNrWf011:28
popeymust watch11:28
popeybrilliance11:28
* bigcalm giggles11:29
Myrtti*yawn*11:30
* popey boggles at chromecast pricing11:31
popey£35 which is ~£21, but on amazon.co.uk it's £60!11:31
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* mgdm wonders if his Cards Against Humanity have arrived11:32
jussipopey: I paid 60€ including postage (but I did have a friend send it from the states)11:33
popeyblimey, that's still £5011:33
Myrttipopey: the comments are telling11:33
jussipopey: it is reasonable to use, but dont try watching streaming video in a browser11:33
jussiNetflix and youtube are nice though11:33
diddledanbug 63981 <-- I need to do some work to verify whether the bug is still present. problem is I don't have ubuntu on here right now :-p11:39
lubotu3bug 52685 in xinit (Ubuntu) "duplicate for #63981 x11-common installs dup files" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/5268511:39
diddledanerr11:39
diddledanthat's not the same bug11:39
diddledanoh it's moved to freedesktop.org11:40
diddledanI must have filed twice - once on ubuntu's launchpad and once on freedesktop.org11:42
brobostigongood prog, floyd on food, bbc2 2:45. :)12:00
dwatkinsthat's the middle of the night...12:14
* dwatkins ducks12:14
brobostigon2:45pm*12:15
dwatkinsI grew up amongst europeans, so I tend to use the 24-hour clock a lot of the time. I assume everyone's familiar enough with it that it's understandable.12:16
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shaunodoes that mean we're not europeans?12:37
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* brobostigon gets dwatkins a binary clock, miles more simple.12:45
popeylies12:47
popeyunless it has only two states. 0 = AM, 1 = PM12:47
popeyin which case, yes, way more simple12:47
SuperMattI think that's the clock that BT engineers and couriers use12:52
diddledanseriously offtopic: I'm a nutjob, so please sign this petition or I'll ensure you're one of the 1200. (irony? seriously I would like folk to consider whether they feel mentally ill are misrepresented by this the Sun's article, and if you do then please sign the petition.) http://www.change.org/en-GB/petitions/thesunnewspaper-correct-the-sensationalism-in-your-mental-illness-story-and-donate-the-profits-from-it13:05
diddledan(full disclosure, yes I'm a bona fide nutjob)13:05
diddledanSuperMatt: yes, that's the clock they use, but it's usually running slow13:11
shaunodiddledan: so how many of 1200 were you?13:12
diddledanshauno: most of them I think13:12
diddledanI lost count13:12
diddledanto be fair their random sample was a bit skewed when they included me :-p13:13
Laneyhttps://twitter.com/NottinghamCAMRA/status/387579186569035776/photo/114:07
mgdmthat background is... dazzling14:08
diddledanee gads, my eyes14:08
bigcalmARGH14:11
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dwatkinsouch14:33
Laney:D14:35
Laneydon't worry about that, take a look at the content instead14:35
dwatkinsthe image of beer kegs unfortunately doesn't make up for the background14:35
Laneyclick on it14:35
mgdmit's CAMRA. It'll all be dull beer. :P14:39
MyrttiAND CIDER14:41
Myrttidon't forget the CIDER14:41
andycCan anyone recommend a gnome-do/synapse type launcher that is still actively in development?14:46
andycCan anyone recommend a gnome-do/synapse type launcher that is still actively in development?14:47
andycOops sorry14:47
JohnRoberthello, it's my yearly appearance15:01
JohnRobertor is it rence15:01
daftykinsJohnRobert: ;)15:02
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SuperMatthas this been spammed here today? http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-2444731315:24
daftykinsooh-err15:25
JohnRobertnew bbc micro?15:31
diddledanI would hope the bbc would approach the raspi foundation15:32
SuperMattoh for sure15:32
SuperMattbut there's no mention of the beeb releasing a new machine15:33
SuperMattit is, however, quite exciting15:33
SuperMattooh, I must set up my google helpouts page15:33
popeySuperMatt: you have an invite?15:35
SuperMattyup :D15:35
popeynice15:36
diddledangoogle helpouts?15:37
diddledaninteresting15:38
diddledanSuperMatt: what are you going to help people do?15:38
SuperMattI was gonna do some basic linux stuff15:39
SuperMattlike *really* basic15:39
JohnRobertrm -rf /15:39
diddledan!danger15:39
lubotu3DO NOT RUN THAT COMMAND! That particular command is DANGEROUS and shouldn't be uttered here. REST OF YOU: DANGER, WILL ROBINSON, DANGER! Do not use the command or utter it here thank you!15:39
diddledan:-p15:40
diddledanI like rm -rf .*15:40
JohnRobertI like cat /dev/urandom > /dev/sd*15:40
diddledan!danger15:40
dwatkinsI prefer to add '--' in case there's a file with a dash at the start.15:40
diddledanc'mon lubotu315:40
SuperMattso start with installing in a vm, teach them how to find rhythmbox, install flash, adobe reader, move on to some command line, and then hopefully get them to be able to install in live!15:40
SuperMattinteresting...15:41
dwatkinsFlash never seems to install automatically in Firefox for me, I assume the 'reccomended' way is to apt-get install flashplugininstaller15:41
SuperMattyou have to schedule an interview with a member of the Helpouts team15:41
SuperMattso they can see if you're qualified or not15:41
JohnRobertinteresting15:41
diddledano_O15:41
dwatkinsis the meeting request the test?15:41
SuperMattI don't know15:42
SuperMattit's not like I could have a test on sewing or something, if that's what I was helping out with15:42
JohnRobertyou could15:42
JohnRobertthey could say 'sew something'15:42
JohnRobertthen you'd spike your fingers lots15:42
JohnRobertand they'ed deny you.15:42
SuperMatttrue15:42
diddledanDENIED!15:42
SuperMattI'll have to do this part of the hangout on thursday15:43
SuperMattI've got dancing tonight and tomorrow15:43
SuperMattah wait, it looks like you don't have to schedule a time with someone, but someone does need to review it15:46
SuperMattoh wait15:46
SuperMattyes, yes you do15:46
SuperMatthmmm... I think it might be worth prodding someone about setting up an official set of guidelines for people wishing to do google helpouts. Maybe I should take that task on15:51
popeyis it linux compatible?15:57
diddledanpopey: I would guess it's about as compatible as hangouts15:59
SuperMattpopey: it just uses hangouts, as far as I'm aware16:07
SuperMattso these are the topics I would cover in beginners linux: http://helpouts.supermatt.net/16:07
diddledanI like how vim got in there without it being an entirely separate topic :-p16:09
diddledanbeginners linux and beginners vim should be entirely individualised :-p16:10
SuperMattwell I figure I should have it for very basic edits16:10
SuperMattpress I to go to insert mode16:10
SuperMatttype what you want16:10
SuperMattpress esc16:10
SuperMatt:wq16:10
SuperMattjust so they can get by16:11
diddledan:x16:11
diddledanbetter than :wq - one character less :-p16:11
SuperMattI've never used :x16:11
SuperMattbut then I guess I like being explicit when I do things16:11
SuperMattotherwise you become a dirty perl programmer16:12
diddledanworse, I'm a dirty php programmer16:12
diddledandirty dirty dirty.. the dirt won't come out16:12
SuperMattI've added a few commands in there now16:14
SuperMattI don't think there are really any more a beginer should use16:14
diddledanls & cd16:15
SuperMattoh yah16:15
diddledanmaybe pwd as well16:15
SuperMattadded16:16
SuperMattoh16:19
SuperMattman16:19
SuperMatthttps://helpouts.google.com/offer/104760950939866700163/835dad061e4b03e7 is that visible to everyone?16:20
dwatkinsSuperMatt: I get: Helpouts isn't available yet, but we're currently inviting people with expertise across a number of topics to be able to offer Helpouts when we go live16:21
dwatkinsI guess I'm not special enough.16:21
SuperMattah, fair enough16:21
* dwatkins signs-up16:22
diddledanI get "when can I join?" page16:22
SuperMattI think if the community gets together and comes up with a syllabus, we can create a good experience for ubuntu noobs16:22
SuperMattmore tweaks added16:25
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MartijnVdSwhy did Chrome just forget everything?17:35
brobostigonthats happened to me on android the other day, everything needed to be authenticated again.17:38
popeyhappens to me a lot17:39
MartijnVdSpopey: I've had my CHrome get in a weird state before, where opening a new window (say, from clicking a link in a terminal) would say "I couldn't open your profile"17:40
MartijnVdSpopey: but never "Hey this is Chrome, do you want this to be your default browser?"17:41
MartijnVdSand then having to log in again to get my bookmarks back17:41
popeyoof17:41
brobostigonis it stable chrome? or unstable?17:42
MartijnVdSVersie 31.0.1650.12 beta17:44
MartijnVdSso, technically, neither :P17:44
brobostigonlet me try beta on my nexus7, thats has it installed.17:45
MartijnVdSthat had its icon removed from my home screen as well, now that I think of it17:45
MartijnVdSthought that was a pocket-phone action17:46
brobostigonthere is that new, 'add to home screen' function in beta.17:46
MartijnVdShow is it different from dragging it there from the app list?17:50
* MartijnVdS can't find the function you're referring to?17:51
brobostigonin the menu in the top right, chrome beta on android.17:53
MartijnVdSpopey: you liked Akufen, didn't you?17:53
MartijnVdSpopey: https://soundcloud.com/danielavery/daniel-avery-drone-logic-album17:53
MartijnVdSpopey: you might like that guy17:53
MartijnVdSpopey: Sucked into so.cl? :)18:02
popeyMartijnVdS: nope ☻18:10
MartijnVdSali1234: I got a "fix committed" on that bug, trying to find the actual commit now (L2TPv3)18:11
ali1234i have no idea what you are talking about...18:12
MartijnVdSali1234: that's because I'm confusing you with someone else18:13
MartijnVdSali1234: (Penguin42)18:14
MartijnVdSali1234: "The one with the numbers" ;)18:15
diddledanlol, silly dutch18:27
SuperEngineer12.04 LTS Gwibber is now a total fail - & only a week ago I saw a post stating convergence wasn't letting desktop fall behind. hmmmm  fail18:53
popeySuperEngineer: hyperbole aside. bug number?19:05
SuperEngineerpopey - before I report a bug I try hard to find news on DDG or Google... just finished - no find.19:06
SuperEngineerbug about to be reportrd19:06
SuperEngineer*reported19:06
SuperEngineerp.s hyperbole ~ noun. extravagant exaggeration - which part of either total or fail exagerates the truth?19:08
popeywell I don't know because you haven't actually given a single detail about the problem19:10
popeybut escalated it up to "total fail"19:10
davmor2SuperEngineer: Gwibber has issues due to the fact that the web works faster than the desktop,  Facebook and twitter both updated their api feeds,  as far as I know though it should of been backported to precise19:10
diddledan>.< grandma!19:11
diddledans/of/have/19:11
diddledanor s/ of/'ve/19:11
SuperEngineerdavmor2: I checked all updates from ptrevious week and a bit before - no Gwibber, Gwibber service, or Gwibber lens found... or other likely candidates either19:12
davmor2SuperEngineer: I guess it does help that gwibber is dead long live friend either19:13
diddledano_O19:13
popeydavmor2: 12.04 is a supported release, so it's not dead.19:13
davmor2popey: indeed but the upstream for qwibber is now working on friends, so I'm assuming the only person who is likely to touch it would be Ken and he's a bit busy19:15
popeythat may be true, but that doesn't mean we stop supporting 12.0419:15
popeyif it's broken, a) file a bug, b) we need to fix it19:16
popeyI haven't seen a) yet19:16
davmor2popey: indeed ;)19:17
SuperEngineerpopey: no, that's coz I'm here answering questions;)19:17
SuperEngineerpopey the detail [though this is probably better put in bug] is:19:18
SuperEngineerunable to recieve updates from FB in Gwibber.19:18
SuperEngineerall components removed - reinstalled after restart - restarted after reinstall - zero access to facebook apart from a "add" [followed by usual authorise process] - then back to no a/c added & no updates... as if Gwibber had regressed to earlier version19:18
popeyI would recommend you open a terminal and type "ubuntu-bug gwibber-service" and file a bug19:19
popeythat will capture the version etc19:19
popeyand explain in the bug in terms someone else will understand.. the steps you have done, and what used to work and what no longer works19:19
popeyusing terms like "total fail" or "doesn't work" are less useful than "click refresh, wait, no updates from facebook appear"19:20
SuperEngineerpopey: glad you posted that, was about to report against gwibber rather full name19:21
popeyyou can post against either tbh19:21
SuperEngineer:)19:22
SuperEngineerreporting atm... is info given so far good enough or is more needed?19:23
popeyTime is a wasting! http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/259499751/tikker-the-wrist-watch-that-counts-down-your-life19:24
popeySomething which explains the problem to a developer..19:25
SuperEngineerhokey dokies19:25
SuperEngineerpopey: [thanks for stepping in - it is important to me as FB is my news stream from my daughter - 160 miles away]19:27
diddledanyeah.. so, popey , if I live longer than they said I would do I get reimbursement for anguish caused in the run-up to my supposed death?19:29
popeydiddledan: this is a great concern for me too!19:30
popeyalthough I suspect it will stop being a concern the moment i expire19:30
popeySuperEngineer: np19:30
diddledanpopey: I see they included the obligatory steve jobs quote19:31
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ali1234any kind of software that integrates with a website is guaranteed to stop working withing 6 months19:35
ali1234and 12.04 is now nearly 18 months old19:35
ali1234and the rules for SRU basically limit it to bug fixes to bug that can cause data loss or total system crashes19:36
ali1234so gwibber being broken in 12.04 is nothing to do with changing focus - it never would have got fixed19:36
SuperEngineerpopey: bug #123703219:42
lubotu3bug 1237032 in gwibber (Ubuntu) "Gwibber not updating from facebook [not "refreshing"]" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/123703219:42
popeySuperEngineer: I'll try and reproduce that in a 12.04 VM20:00
SuperEngineerpopey ;)20:01
popey250MB updates on my VM20:04
SuperEngineeryikes20:10
bigcalmWhich only takes a few seconds on a 60mb cable connection20:15
popeySuperEngineer: in gwibber go to the accounts screen, do you see facebook in the list on the left?20:32
popeyhttp://popey.com/~alan/gwibber.png20:34
popeyi see no facebook account after adding it20:34
SuperEngineerpopey: I used to, after deleting a/c, restarting, re-adding [authourising] it doesn't appear - but does show in FB as authorised20:34
popeywhere?20:35
SuperEngineer..in other words... exactly as per your result20:35
SuperEngineerin FB under app settings - Gwibber shows as authorised [you can remove it  - re-authorise in Gwibber & it shows as an auth'd app again]20:37
SuperEngineerGwibber shows no account added20:37
popeyok, confirmed the bug..20:40
SuperEngineercheers popey [& for what it's worth http://imagebin.org/273133 shows my a/c's - same as yours on left]20:41
* SuperEngineer thanks & hugs popey 20:42
SuperEngineerp.s. twitter is in list to prove something works!20:43
popeyright, good, same issue most likely then20:49
tpeWhy is Solo_in_Casa auto /msg-ing on join?22:13
Azelphurno idea, he probably shouldn't be22:13
tpeIt wasn't a link, but it's auto because it has the exact timestamp of me joining.22:15
Azelphuryea, he's doing it to me too22:16
tpeThat solves that. :)22:18
Azelphurindeed :)22:18
bigcalmAnything of interest?22:30
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