=== Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away === schwuk is now known as schwuk_away [08:14] Good morning peeps :) === interpolite_ is now known as interpolite [08:22] good morning everyone, [08:32] xnox: royal mail? [08:35] Laney: yeap. [08:35] thinking about that [08:35] how easy is it? [08:36] aloha [08:37] czzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzajkowski [08:39] Laney: gov.uk website, web form, debit card, done. 3 minutes max. [08:40] Laney: https://www.gov.uk/royalmailshares [08:43] xnox: I felt obliged to read the huge prospectus [08:43] and then it asked me about share dealers or something [08:43] so got scared off [08:44] Laney: if you are planning to invest under 10 000, just do it via gov.uk website (which is managed by a dedicated share dealer Royal Mail Share Dealings or some such) [08:44] yeah [08:44] I don't understand what that even means [08:44] Laney: or if you have existing investments accounts with your bank / mortgage / pension provider / stocks ISA, you could place an order through your dealer. [08:45] would it be better to get a stocks and shares ISA for this? [08:45] Laney: it means that you get an email that you have shares, yet physical printed copies are stored elsewhere in your name. [08:46] Laney: could be, but the set-up takes about 2 weeks usually. And not worth the fees for an individual investment. Makes sense to have stocks & shares ISA, if you are into tracking news and spreading funds and making your decisions. [09:10] Good morning all! Happy Face Your Fears Day! :-D [09:14] that doesn't sound very happy :/ [09:17] shauno, I can't think of anything more positive. :) [09:18] Well, I probably could if I tried. === iahmad is now known as iahmad|afk === Hornet- is now known as Hornet [10:01] Morning all === davmor2_ is now known as davmor2 [10:05] Morning davmor2 [10:19] oh man, I just jammed a new disk in my machine, ran btrfs device add and BLAMMO! I now one large disk instead of two of separate ones [10:19] <3 btrfs [10:19] I'm becoming more and more convinced to switch on my home PC === schwukz is now known as schwukz_away [10:22] SuperMatt: yes, now think about it, you no longer can unplug either of the hard-drivers. And if either of them fails you lose all your data. [10:23] SuperMatt: thus you now have doubled your chances of loosing your data due to hardware failure. === schwukz_away is now known as schwuk [10:24] why not raid them? then no risk. [10:24] xnox: sure, but this isn't a production machine, this is just my work PC. I save all my important stuff to the network drive [10:25] and at home, I have other backup solutions [10:25] brobostigon: doing raid 1, sure you can, but then no space gain either =( [10:25] xnox: no space gain, bur safer, whichever is the priority. [10:26] brobostigon: true, it's just e.g. there is no way at the moment to have two btrfs pools, one per drive. That way one would preserve data-locality and disaster locality. [10:27] xnox: i see, fair point, [10:27] brobostigon: e.g. if one drive has / and the other drive has /home, then with ext4, one hardware failure takes out only that part of data. With btrfs it always takes out all. [10:27] =) [10:29] * popey hugs btrfs [10:29] don't listen to the horrible man [10:29] SuperMatt: what kernel you running? [10:30] 3.11.0-11-generic [10:30] I'm saucy, baby [10:31] I'm almost always on +1 [10:31] on the machine running btrfs? [10:31] yup [10:37] xnox: very true. [11:21] What looks best of the following? [11:21] Run time: 2m 3s [11:21] Runtime: 2m 3s [11:21] Run-time: 2m 3s [11:21] Which looks best [11:22] I cannot English today [11:22] bigcalm: Time Taken ;) [11:22] davmor2++ [11:22] we always use runtime as one word, but that doesn't mean it's english, just jargon [11:22] Humf [11:23] I'm not sure I like the double capitalisation [11:23] Ugh, changing work email providers is a pain, changeover great, but the amount of spam/virus/malware infected crap coming through on new account is annoying [11:23] bigcalm: then fix it :P [11:23] mgdm: so ... much ... effort [11:24] I hated our change-over because they got rid of my shortname. I used to have shaun.o'neil@ and soneil@, and would always use the shortname because why the hell did they put an apostrophe in my email address. WHY?! [11:24] because it's perfectly valid! but not supported by basically anyone :) [11:25] bigcalm: depends who has to look at it. If it is real people then use real words that mean something. Runtime: to me means that the process is still running and has been for x time. Time taken: (lower case second word) says this is how long it took. [11:25] oh it's RFC-valid. just not planet-earth valid. total sad panda territory. [11:25] bigcalm: think Uptime on a server for example :) [11:26] Fair enough [11:26] Time taken it is then [11:28] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaJtjJNrWf0 [11:28] must watch [11:28] brilliance [11:29] * bigcalm giggles [11:30] *yawn* [11:31] * popey boggles at chromecast pricing [11:31] £35 which is ~£21, but on amazon.co.uk it's £60! === alan_g is now known as alan_g|lunch [11:32] * mgdm wonders if his Cards Against Humanity have arrived [11:33] popey: I paid 60€ including postage (but I did have a friend send it from the states) [11:33] blimey, that's still £50 [11:33] popey: the comments are telling [11:33] popey: it is reasonable to use, but dont try watching streaming video in a browser [11:33] Netflix and youtube are nice though [11:39] bug 63981 <-- I need to do some work to verify whether the bug is still present. problem is I don't have ubuntu on here right now :-p [11:39] bug 52685 in xinit (Ubuntu) "duplicate for #63981 x11-common installs dup files" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/52685 [11:39] err [11:39] that's not the same bug [11:40] oh it's moved to freedesktop.org [11:42] I must have filed twice - once on ubuntu's launchpad and once on freedesktop.org [12:00] good prog, floyd on food, bbc2 2:45. :) [12:14] that's the middle of the night... [12:14] * dwatkins ducks [12:15] 2:45pm* [12:16] I grew up amongst europeans, so I tend to use the 24-hour clock a lot of the time. I assume everyone's familiar enough with it that it's understandable. === alan_g|lunch is now known as alan_g [12:37] does that mean we're not europeans? === iahmad|afk is now known as iahmad [12:45] * brobostigon gets dwatkins a binary clock, miles more simple. [12:47] lies [12:47] unless it has only two states. 0 = AM, 1 = PM [12:47] in which case, yes, way more simple [12:52] I think that's the clock that BT engineers and couriers use [13:05] seriously offtopic: I'm a nutjob, so please sign this petition or I'll ensure you're one of the 1200. (irony? seriously I would like folk to consider whether they feel mentally ill are misrepresented by this the Sun's article, and if you do then please sign the petition.) http://www.change.org/en-GB/petitions/thesunnewspaper-correct-the-sensationalism-in-your-mental-illness-story-and-donate-the-profits-from-it [13:05] (full disclosure, yes I'm a bona fide nutjob) [13:11] SuperMatt: yes, that's the clock they use, but it's usually running slow [13:12] diddledan: so how many of 1200 were you? [13:12] shauno: most of them I think [13:12] I lost count [13:13] to be fair their random sample was a bit skewed when they included me :-p [14:07] https://twitter.com/NottinghamCAMRA/status/387579186569035776/photo/1 [14:08] that background is... dazzling [14:08] ee gads, my eyes [14:11] ARGH === james is now known as Guest65319 [14:33] ouch [14:35] :D [14:35] don't worry about that, take a look at the content instead [14:35] the image of beer kegs unfortunately doesn't make up for the background [14:35] click on it [14:39] it's CAMRA. It'll all be dull beer. :P [14:41] AND CIDER [14:41] don't forget the CIDER [14:46] Can anyone recommend a gnome-do/synapse type launcher that is still actively in development? [14:47] Can anyone recommend a gnome-do/synapse type launcher that is still actively in development? [14:47] Oops sorry [15:01] hello, it's my yearly appearance [15:01] or is it rence [15:02] JohnRobert: ;) === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte [15:24] has this been spammed here today? http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-24447313 [15:25] ooh-err [15:31] new bbc micro? [15:32] I would hope the bbc would approach the raspi foundation [15:32] oh for sure [15:33] but there's no mention of the beeb releasing a new machine [15:33] it is, however, quite exciting [15:33] ooh, I must set up my google helpouts page [15:35] SuperMatt: you have an invite? [15:35] yup :D [15:36] nice [15:37] google helpouts? [15:38] interesting [15:38] SuperMatt: what are you going to help people do? [15:39] I was gonna do some basic linux stuff [15:39] like *really* basic [15:39] rm -rf / [15:39] !danger [15:39] DO NOT RUN THAT COMMAND! That particular command is DANGEROUS and shouldn't be uttered here. REST OF YOU: DANGER, WILL ROBINSON, DANGER! Do not use the command or utter it here thank you! [15:40] :-p [15:40] I like rm -rf .* [15:40] I like cat /dev/urandom > /dev/sd* [15:40] !danger [15:40] I prefer to add '--' in case there's a file with a dash at the start. [15:40] c'mon lubotu3 [15:40] so start with installing in a vm, teach them how to find rhythmbox, install flash, adobe reader, move on to some command line, and then hopefully get them to be able to install in live! [15:41] interesting... [15:41] Flash never seems to install automatically in Firefox for me, I assume the 'reccomended' way is to apt-get install flashplugininstaller [15:41] you have to schedule an interview with a member of the Helpouts team [15:41] so they can see if you're qualified or not [15:41] interesting [15:41] o_O [15:41] is the meeting request the test? [15:42] I don't know [15:42] it's not like I could have a test on sewing or something, if that's what I was helping out with [15:42] you could [15:42] they could say 'sew something' [15:42] then you'd spike your fingers lots [15:42] and they'ed deny you. [15:42] true [15:42] DENIED! [15:43] I'll have to do this part of the hangout on thursday [15:43] I've got dancing tonight and tomorrow [15:46] ah wait, it looks like you don't have to schedule a time with someone, but someone does need to review it [15:46] oh wait [15:46] yes, yes you do [15:51] hmmm... I think it might be worth prodding someone about setting up an official set of guidelines for people wishing to do google helpouts. Maybe I should take that task on [15:57] is it linux compatible? [15:59] popey: I would guess it's about as compatible as hangouts [16:07] popey: it just uses hangouts, as far as I'm aware [16:07] so these are the topics I would cover in beginners linux: http://helpouts.supermatt.net/ [16:09] I like how vim got in there without it being an entirely separate topic :-p [16:10] beginners linux and beginners vim should be entirely individualised :-p [16:10] well I figure I should have it for very basic edits [16:10] press I to go to insert mode [16:10] type what you want [16:10] press esc [16:10] :wq [16:11] just so they can get by [16:11] :x [16:11] better than :wq - one character less :-p [16:11] I've never used :x [16:11] but then I guess I like being explicit when I do things [16:12] otherwise you become a dirty perl programmer [16:12] worse, I'm a dirty php programmer [16:12] dirty dirty dirty.. the dirt won't come out [16:14] I've added a few commands in there now [16:14] I don't think there are really any more a beginer should use [16:15] ls & cd [16:15] oh yah [16:15] maybe pwd as well [16:16] added [16:19] oh [16:19] man [16:20] https://helpouts.google.com/offer/104760950939866700163/835dad061e4b03e7 is that visible to everyone? [16:21] SuperMatt: I get: Helpouts isn't available yet, but we're currently inviting people with expertise across a number of topics to be able to offer Helpouts when we go live [16:21] I guess I'm not special enough. [16:21] ah, fair enough [16:22] * dwatkins signs-up [16:22] I get "when can I join?" page [16:22] I think if the community gets together and comes up with a syllabus, we can create a good experience for ubuntu noobs [16:25] more tweaks added === alan_g is now known as alan_g|EOD [17:35] why did Chrome just forget everything? [17:38] thats happened to me on android the other day, everything needed to be authenticated again. [17:39] happens to me a lot [17:40] popey: I've had my CHrome get in a weird state before, where opening a new window (say, from clicking a link in a terminal) would say "I couldn't open your profile" [17:41] popey: but never "Hey this is Chrome, do you want this to be your default browser?" [17:41] and then having to log in again to get my bookmarks back [17:41] oof [17:42] is it stable chrome? or unstable? [17:44] Versie 31.0.1650.12 beta [17:44] so, technically, neither :P [17:45] let me try beta on my nexus7, thats has it installed. [17:45] that had its icon removed from my home screen as well, now that I think of it [17:46] thought that was a pocket-phone action [17:46] there is that new, 'add to home screen' function in beta. [17:50] how is it different from dragging it there from the app list? [17:51] * MartijnVdS can't find the function you're referring to? [17:53] in the menu in the top right, chrome beta on android. [17:53] popey: you liked Akufen, didn't you? [17:53] popey: https://soundcloud.com/danielavery/daniel-avery-drone-logic-album [17:53] popey: you might like that guy [18:02] popey: Sucked into so.cl? :) [18:10] MartijnVdS: nope ☻ [18:11] ali1234: I got a "fix committed" on that bug, trying to find the actual commit now (L2TPv3) [18:12] i have no idea what you are talking about... [18:13] ali1234: that's because I'm confusing you with someone else [18:14] ali1234: (Penguin42) [18:15] ali1234: "The one with the numbers" ;) [18:27] lol, silly dutch [18:53] 12.04 LTS Gwibber is now a total fail - & only a week ago I saw a post stating convergence wasn't letting desktop fall behind. hmmmm fail [19:05] SuperEngineer: hyperbole aside. bug number? [19:06] popey - before I report a bug I try hard to find news on DDG or Google... just finished - no find. [19:06] bug about to be reportrd [19:06] *reported [19:08] p.s hyperbole ~ noun. extravagant exaggeration - which part of either total or fail exagerates the truth? [19:10] well I don't know because you haven't actually given a single detail about the problem [19:10] but escalated it up to "total fail" [19:10] SuperEngineer: Gwibber has issues due to the fact that the web works faster than the desktop, Facebook and twitter both updated their api feeds, as far as I know though it should of been backported to precise [19:11] >.< grandma! [19:11] s/of/have/ [19:11] or s/ of/'ve/ [19:12] davmor2: I checked all updates from ptrevious week and a bit before - no Gwibber, Gwibber service, or Gwibber lens found... or other likely candidates either [19:13] SuperEngineer: I guess it does help that gwibber is dead long live friend either [19:13] o_O [19:13] davmor2: 12.04 is a supported release, so it's not dead. [19:15] popey: indeed but the upstream for qwibber is now working on friends, so I'm assuming the only person who is likely to touch it would be Ken and he's a bit busy [19:15] that may be true, but that doesn't mean we stop supporting 12.04 [19:16] if it's broken, a) file a bug, b) we need to fix it [19:16] I haven't seen a) yet [19:17] popey: indeed ;) [19:17] popey: no, that's coz I'm here answering questions;) [19:18] popey the detail [though this is probably better put in bug] is: [19:18] unable to recieve updates from FB in Gwibber. [19:18] all components removed - reinstalled after restart - restarted after reinstall - zero access to facebook apart from a "add" [followed by usual authorise process] - then back to no a/c added & no updates... as if Gwibber had regressed to earlier version [19:19] I would recommend you open a terminal and type "ubuntu-bug gwibber-service" and file a bug [19:19] that will capture the version etc [19:19] and explain in the bug in terms someone else will understand.. the steps you have done, and what used to work and what no longer works [19:20] using terms like "total fail" or "doesn't work" are less useful than "click refresh, wait, no updates from facebook appear" [19:21] popey: glad you posted that, was about to report against gwibber rather full name [19:21] you can post against either tbh [19:22] :) [19:23] reporting atm... is info given so far good enough or is more needed? [19:24] Time is a wasting! http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/259499751/tikker-the-wrist-watch-that-counts-down-your-life [19:25] Something which explains the problem to a developer.. [19:25] hokey dokies [19:27] popey: [thanks for stepping in - it is important to me as FB is my news stream from my daughter - 160 miles away] [19:29] yeah.. so, popey , if I live longer than they said I would do I get reimbursement for anguish caused in the run-up to my supposed death? [19:30] diddledan: this is a great concern for me too! [19:30] although I suspect it will stop being a concern the moment i expire [19:30] SuperEngineer: np [19:31] popey: I see they included the obligatory steve jobs quote === GentileBen is now known as RaycisCharles [19:35] any kind of software that integrates with a website is guaranteed to stop working withing 6 months [19:35] and 12.04 is now nearly 18 months old [19:36] and the rules for SRU basically limit it to bug fixes to bug that can cause data loss or total system crashes [19:36] so gwibber being broken in 12.04 is nothing to do with changing focus - it never would have got fixed [19:42] popey: bug #1237032 [19:42] bug 1237032 in gwibber (Ubuntu) "Gwibber not updating from facebook [not "refreshing"]" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1237032 [20:00] SuperEngineer: I'll try and reproduce that in a 12.04 VM [20:01] popey ;) [20:04] 250MB updates on my VM [20:10] yikes [20:15] Which only takes a few seconds on a 60mb cable connection [20:32] SuperEngineer: in gwibber go to the accounts screen, do you see facebook in the list on the left? [20:34] http://popey.com/~alan/gwibber.png [20:34] i see no facebook account after adding it [20:34] popey: I used to, after deleting a/c, restarting, re-adding [authourising] it doesn't appear - but does show in FB as authorised [20:35] where? [20:35] ..in other words... exactly as per your result [20:37] in FB under app settings - Gwibber shows as authorised [you can remove it - re-authorise in Gwibber & it shows as an auth'd app again] [20:37] Gwibber shows no account added [20:40] ok, confirmed the bug.. [20:41] cheers popey [& for what it's worth http://imagebin.org/273133 shows my a/c's - same as yours on left] [20:42] * SuperEngineer thanks & hugs popey [20:43] p.s. twitter is in list to prove something works! [20:49] right, good, same issue most likely then [22:13] Why is Solo_in_Casa auto /msg-ing on join? [22:13] no idea, he probably shouldn't be [22:15] It wasn't a link, but it's auto because it has the exact timestamp of me joining. [22:16] yea, he's doing it to me too [22:18] That solves that. :) [22:18] indeed :) [22:30] Anything of interest? === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away