[02:44] <rick_h_> greg-g: you forgot the details :P
[12:19] <brousch> Heh. Ruby is taking some blame for the healthcare.gov website debacle, even though it's really just the front page and not the failing part https://github.com/CMSgov/healthcare.gov
[13:17] <rick_h_> http://r.bmark.us/u/47073e446539c3 ok this one I might get into. I hate the fire alarms in the house
[13:17] <rick_h_> and since one is in the hallways the idea of it lighting your way in the dark is cool
[13:18] <rick_h_> oh and morning
[13:18] <rick_h_> brousch: I'm floored it's ruby tbh
[13:23] <trevlar> fun fact, healthcare.gov was designed by a royal oak design shop that a friend works at
[13:24] <trevlar> they didn't do any development though
[13:24] <rick_h_> ah, very cool
[13:24] <trevlar> in fact, when I asked him, his exact words were: "we take no responsibility for the development disaster that happened over there"
[13:24] <rick_h_> lol
[13:25] <rick_h_> "once it loads it's kinda pretty...but that getting it to load isn't my issue"
[13:46] <cmaloney> I'd be a little wary of getting an expensive CO detector
[13:46] <cmaloney> they have a lifespan of 7 years
[13:46] <cmaloney> That said, you'll probably replace it sooner than that, so I'll just shut up. :)
[13:47] <rick_h_> hah
[13:47] <rick_h_> well, I have to admit that I'm dying to see if they can go hte security route
[13:48] <rick_h_> we looked at getting a security system once and it was killer. The devices were clunky, expensive, and the service was expensive. If I could put one of those in the hall up and down stairs and get phone notificaitons, etc along with fire, co2, and a cool hally night light...kind of killer
[13:48] <cmaloney> Yeah, that's a plus.
[13:49] <rick_h_> and I am on my 3rd fire alarm in the hall right now
[13:49] <cmaloney> amn
[13:50] <cmaloney> I replaced our CO detector mostly because it was designed to fall off the wall
[13:50] <cmaloney> so I got a tabletop model
[13:50] <rick_h_> I had one that hung in the outlet
[13:50] <rick_h_> big thing
[13:50] <cmaloney> Yeah, and where we had it hanging was in a traffic path
[13:50] <cmaloney> so it got knocked off the wall, and broke the clip
[13:54] <ColonelPanic001> the house I just bought has a simple alarm system in, I should probably get the service again. It's already installed and everything
[13:57] <jjesse>   i had a conversation w/ a heating and cooling guy who had pretty negative things to say about the Nest.  He recommended a  honeywell system that he said could do more
[13:57] <jjesse> i never did any research to see if he could back up what he said
[13:57]  * ColonelPanic001 needs to replace his thermostat
[13:57] <rick_h_> so everyone I know iwth a nest loves them
[13:58] <ColonelPanic001> I just can't justify $250. It does look neat, though
[13:58] <rick_h_> but with out two floors I know I'd have to get two and it'd really only work well if we did dual zone furnace I think
[13:58] <jjesse> this guy said a lot of times the nest wasn't configured correctly
[13:58] <cmaloney> jjesse: Was this person selling the Honeywell system?
[13:58] <jjesse> but i think he was just complaining cause he wasn't getting paid to install them so not quite sure i could back that up
[13:58] <jjesse> cmaloney, no he wasn't selling them
[13:59] <cmaloney> jjesse: OK, then there may be something to it
[13:59] <jjesse> cmaloney, totally agree
[13:59] <ColonelPanic001> I might just be naive, but paid to install them? I expected it to be "install a lightbulb" easy.
[13:59] <jjesse> he had 2 options he recommended over the nest
[13:59] <jjesse> but i don't remember the other one
[13:59] <cmaloney> ColonelPanic001: Older homes may not have the wiring to support it
[13:59] <ColonelPanic001> hm. what wiring? Power?
[14:00] <cmaloney> I won a smart thermostat that I couldn't use because it only supported a certain number of wires
[14:00] <ColonelPanic001> hm. I have to read up on this later. My house is old. (1950)
[14:00] <cmaloney> House was built in the 1950s and the wiring is very basic
[14:01] <cmaloney> I couldn't wire up a Smarthome X10 wall switch because it only had two wires
[14:02] <cmaloney> http://wiki.xtronics.com/index.php/Thermostat_signals_and_wiring
[14:05] <ColonelPanic001> bookmarked, thanks. That actually is very useful
[14:05] <ColonelPanic001> and for what it's worth, I've had this house for maybe two months after nearly 5 years of an apartment. I don't know much about houses. Feel free to enlighten me
[14:05] <ColonelPanic001> I mean, in general, not just this moment
[14:06] <ColonelPanic001> for example, I seem to have drastically underestimated thermostats. I assumed all the connection needed to do was AC on/off, and heat on/off
[14:06] <brousch> rick_h_: I get the impression that the static parts of the website are that ruby project, and the markeplace where the real work is done is elsewhere
[14:07] <rick_h_> brousch: lol, I love that the 'static' bits are a dynamic language server side
[14:07] <rick_h_> brousch: but yea, I'd guess as well without looking
[14:14] <brousch> I think it's actually a ruby static website generator
[14:15] <jjesse> are we talking about healthcare.org?
[14:15] <rick_h_> jjesse: yea
[14:15] <jjesse> oh
[14:16] <jjesse> i read someplace that like 40 some files were generated or something crazy
[14:16] <jjesse> per person
[14:16] <brousch> .gov
[14:16] <jjesse> yeah whatever :)
[14:17] <rick_h_> ahhhh, the sweetness of a new battery
[14:17] <rick_h_> just keeps going and going
[14:22] <jrwren> why would you want a home alarm?
[14:22] <jrwren> if someone breaks into my house, they would look around, see not much of value, and leave.
[14:22] <jrwren> or they would be stupid enough to take things that are not worth much of anything
[14:23] <brousch> Don't you have a big dog?
[14:23] <brousch> They are my alarms
[14:23] <jrwren> i don't. But I agree, that is a better alternative
[14:23] <brousch> BARK BARK BARK JUST LETTING YOU KNOW SOMEONE WALKING BY IN THE STREET LOOKED AT OUR HOUSE BARK BARK BARK
[14:24] <rick_h_> jrwren: because I leave across the country or world with a wife and small child.
[14:24] <rick_h_> jrwren: and my wife freaks out by every house noise and sleeps in the guest room with the dog in her bed to help her get through the night
[14:24] <jrwren> peace of mind is a reason.
[14:25] <rick_h_> :)
[14:25] <brousch> wow
[14:25] <brousch> Also, you live in Detroit. Don't forget that part
[14:26] <rick_h_> yea, I wish I could get my rot, I'd feel a lot better then
[14:26] <rick_h_> the boy is almost old enough but not sure the house is big enough for another pet :/
[14:28] <jrwren> Clarkston is NOT detroit
[14:29] <rick_h_> definitely
[14:29] <rick_h_> but we've had out cars in the driveway broken into twice since we've lived here
[14:29] <jrwren> you can't even claim detroit closeness unless you near a bus stop.
[14:29] <rick_h_> and we've got a few strange folks in the neighborhood since property values have gone down 100k
[14:29] <jrwren> I think Great Lakes Cross is probably the farthest north that a detroit area bus will run
[14:29] <jrwren> dude, that sucks, but what do they take from your car?
[14:30] <rick_h_> money, cds, nothing much. We don't leave much in them. The most expensive thing is the car seats really
[14:30] <rick_h_> but they left those
[14:32] <jrwren> my wife got a little more cautious when she found out there was a reported sexual assault just down the street. But those are usually people who know people. AFAIK it was not a home invasion. those are very rare.
[14:33] <rick_h_> yea, unfortunately fear isn't always a rational thing
[14:34] <brousch> Everything East of Ann Arbor is Detroit. We've been through this discussion before
[14:34] <rick_h_> lol
[14:34] <rick_h_> AA is "out west" for me
[14:34] <ColonelPanic001> God if the northern suburbs are bad enoguh to be Detroit, Downriver must be... I don't even know
[14:34] <rick_h_> forget there's half a state out there
[14:35] <ColonelPanic001> There's nothing west of Ann Arbor but politics and fields, I assume
[14:35] <jjesse> +1 to brousch
[14:40] <brousch> ColonelPanic001: You forgot Amway
[14:40] <ColonelPanic001> :\
[14:41] <brousch> farms, politics, and amway
[14:41] <ColonelPanic001> So back in 2005-2006 we started WSULUG. Sitting on my desk now is a box of Ubuntu 6.06 install CDs from when they'd send you a free box.
[14:41] <ColonelPanic001> I have no idea what I'm going to do with them. I'm thinking "art project"
[14:41] <jjesse> man i need more coffee today… just spent way too much time trying to figure out why my test lab couldn't get out to the internet and then realized the server running DNS was turned off :(
[14:41] <rick_h_> oops
[14:42] <jjesse> yup
[14:42] <brousch> ColonelPanic001: I have 2 boxes of CDs from cmaloney
[14:42] <brousch> Time to make a big fish for next year's artprize
[14:52] <ColonelPanic001> \o/
[14:54] <jrwren> brousch thinks NYC is Detroit
[14:55] <brousch> Come on now. Detroit ends at the lake/river
[14:55] <jrwren> jjesse: monitoring with notification :p
[14:55] <jrwren> brousch: thinks alpena is detroit
[14:56] <brousch> it starts in the thumb pit
[14:59] <jrwren> anyone ever use python C api to put python in C code?
[14:59] <jrwren> python-config has nice --cflags and --ldflags to help me, but I still get undefined reference linker errors
[15:19] <brousch> Hm, remember the ERP I said could kind of run on Linux? Turns out they're using MySQL as the DB
[15:20] <brousch> DotNET with MySQL
[15:51] <jrwren> been there, done that.
[15:51] <jrwren> brousch: ask for the source.
[15:51] <jrwren> brousch: the mysql connector for .net is GPL.
[15:51] <jrwren> not LGPL, which means if they are using it they must give you their source.
[15:52] <jrwren> unless they bought a mysql license
[15:53] <brousch> Why would I want the source to the mysql_odbc?
[16:19] <jrwren> GPL.
[16:19] <jrwren> you link to it, its open source.
[16:19] <jrwren> you GPL request the ERPs source.
[16:37] <greg-g> I think brousch is like "man, I don't read source, as long as its free as in beer I'm ok" ;)
[16:39] <jrwren> what ERP software is it?
[16:40] <jrwren> on 12.04 anyone filter dhclient message from rsyslog  have a howto?
[17:12] <brousch> jrwren: https://www.fabsuite.com/en/
[19:31] <cmaloney> Reminder: MUG meeting tonight
[19:32] <cmaloney> We'll be having jcastro talk about Steaaaaaam. Machiiiiiiine.
[19:32] <cmaloney> And Mark Ramm talk about this thing called Juju
[19:32] <rick_h_> woot, party party
[19:55] <mathomastech> cmaloney: Will there be a recording of it? I got the firefox os bookmarked, just haven't had a chance to watch this. Would like to see the Steam talk as well.
[20:01] <cmaloney> There should be. I brought my camera just in case.
[22:36] <greg-g> I love the interior styles of A-frames: http://cabinporn.com/post/63494078577/a-frame-cabin-built-in-1968-in-the-woods-of
[22:37] <greg-g> (yes, I'm subscribed to that blog)
[22:37] <greg-g> yes, SFW
[22:41] <rick_h_> yea, love the upstairs spaces. Seen some really ingenious storage and such
[22:42] <greg-g> yeah, it makes you think outside the box, literally, heh
[22:42] <greg-g> with the angled wall/roof
[22:48] <cmaloney> ju ju ju jio
[22:59] <cmaloney> MUG: Does anyone have an extension cord?
[23:02] <rick_h_> I've got a smallish one, we're not hitting the front of the room
[23:17] <cmaloney> Hm. Need something for the video camera