| brainwash | ochosi: bug 1196752 makes me think "what the heck is goind on?!" | 00:04 |
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| ubottu | bug 1196752 in systemd-shim (Ubuntu) "Suspend only works once when using upower with logind -- s-shim needs to call /lib/systemd/system-sleep/*" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1196752 | 00:04 |
| brainwash | ah, so nm relies on upower which relies on logind... | 00:05 |
| brainwash | screw this mess :) | 00:06 |
| olbi | hi guys | 07:03 |
| elfy | morning olbi | 07:03 |
| olbi | again in my Xubu 13.10 Beta doesn't work restart button after upgrades :P | 07:03 |
| astraljava | Does anyone know how to enable 256 in saucy's xfce4-terminal? | 08:19 |
| astraljava | Setting the normal compatibility (xterm-256color) will not work, complains about not finding the correct info from /etc/termcap (which is correct, as there is no such file). | 08:20 |
| astraljava | Hmm... ok, so it is there by default, but still my weechat looks off. | 08:25 |
| astraljava | Right, just needed to export a $TERM, so that ssh knew about it. | 08:48 |
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| brainwash | olbi: does the shutdown button work? | 10:06 |
| olbi | normal button works | 10:06 |
| olbi | but after updates, when dialog option for restart appears, that button doesn't work | 10:07 |
| olbi | i will check it one more time, in new machine | 10:07 |
| brainwash | ok, so it's the update-manager | 10:08 |
| brainwash | bug 1232363 | 10:09 |
| ubottu | bug 1232363 in update-manager (Ubuntu) "Update Manager Restart button fails on xubuntu" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1232363 | 10:09 |
| elfy | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-manager/+bug/1232363 | 10:09 |
| elfy | ninja'd by brainwash | 10:09 |
| brainwash | just found this report, is it really xubuntu-specific? | 10:10 |
| elfy | no idea tbh brainwash - I forgot I posted it | 10:10 |
| brainwash | did the button fail or the did the system fail to restart after pressing the button? | 10:12 |
| elfy | press the button - nothing happens | 10:12 |
| elfy | got an oldish ubuntu iso - will try that in a vm | 10:13 |
| olbi | brainwash: thx for the bug :) | 10:21 |
| elfy | brainwash: restarted ok in ubuntu | 10:29 |
| brainwash | olbi: any error messages in ~/.cache/upstart/startxfce4.log ? | 10:36 |
| brainwash | ideally you would need to check the log file after pressing the button | 10:37 |
| brainwash | or start the update-manager inside a terminal window to get the error output | 10:38 |
| olbi | only xfce4-indicator-plugin errors | 10:39 |
| elfy | just doing that in the vm - hopefully it'll be looking for a restart | 10:43 |
| brainwash | without any information other than "button does not work" it will take some time to find out why it fails :( | 10:43 |
| olbi | if there will be some updates that need restart then I will save the errors | 10:43 |
| elfy | brainwash: ok - so pressing restart pointlessly - adds nothing to startxfce4.log | 10:45 |
| brainwash | and starting it inside a terminal window? | 10:46 |
| brainwash | update-manager I think | 10:47 |
| elfy | says nothing after the button is pressed | 10:48 |
| elfy | I'll leave the vm open in the same state in case you can think of anything to check | 10:50 |
| elfy | though it does give this in terminal - when it starts - "warning: could not open /var/cache/debconf/passwords.dat: Permission Denied" | 10:54 |
| elfy | but that makes sense as at that point it's not had a password | 10:54 |
| elfy | bluesabre: yep - did that - works fine - commented in bug 1193621 | 11:07 |
| ubottu | bug 1193621 in parole (Ubuntu) "parole crashed with SIGSEGV in parole_plugin_player_finalize()" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1193621 | 11:07 |
| bluesabre | thanks elfy | 11:07 |
| elfy | no - thank you :) | 11:08 |
| bluesabre | dvd support seems messed up in 13.10 | 11:08 |
| bluesabre | there is no /dev/dvd | 11:08 |
| bluesabre | and symlinking it to sr0 doesn't make it work for totem or parole | 11:09 |
| bluesabre | though vlc figures it out | 11:09 |
| knome | i've always had the same problems with that | 11:10 |
| knome | i mean, with parole, and other apps as well | 11:10 |
| bluesabre | this is the first time for me, it's always worked pre-13.10 | 11:11 |
| olbi | that's why I'm using VLC :D | 11:11 |
| knome | think that's something that should be fixed on a larger scale; eg. if /dev/dvd doesn't work, and a dvd is recognised, it should be created so it works | 11:11 |
| bluesabre | agreed | 11:12 |
| brainwash | elfy: used update-manager to fetch the latest updates and the restart button did trigger a restart of my system, so I can't confirm this issue | 11:14 |
| elfy | mmm | 11:17 |
| elfy | odd then | 11:17 |
| elfy | brainwash: you did that in a vanilla install or in one you've been fiddling - another reason I wish I'd remembered this morning, then I'd have done it in a vanilla and this one | 11:19 |
| brainwash | elfy: my test installation (2 weeks old already, bloated with every DE and all the top 100 applications) | 11:21 |
| elfy | I'd assumed so :) | 11:21 |
| elfy | same issue on this - fiddled about with things over the last couple of weeks - so no idea if doing so clears the issue | 11:22 |
| brainwash | it seems to only to affect a small range of users (2?) | 11:25 |
| elfy | at the moment :p | 11:28 |
| elfy | I know I tend to actually only use update manager now and again to test it | 11:29 |
| elfy | I'd imagine lots of people update/grade with apt-get | 11:29 |
| elfy | at least lots of those during pre-release | 11:30 |
| elfy | posting it on the forum see if anyone else see's it | 11:32 |
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| jjfrv8 | elfy, I me too'd bug 1232363. I saw it during by b2 testing, but thought I had mis-clicked something so I didn't report it. | 13:04 |
| ubottu | bug 1232363 in update-manager (Ubuntu) "Update Manager Restart button fails on xubuntu" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1232363 | 13:04 |
| jjfrv8 | bluesabre, I've been playing with the Parole docs on docuwiki and have a couple of questions. | 13:06 |
| elfy | jjfrv8: ta | 13:06 |
| brainwash | maybe dbus related, but update-manager should throw a timeout error in case there is a communication problem | 13:17 |
| jjfrv8 | Just ran update-manager from the terminal. Called for a restart. It won't. | 13:23 |
| jjfrv8 | I also had a problem right after launching it. It said it couldn't download the repository information and to check my internet connection. | 13:24 |
| jjfrv8 | That's happened the last few times I've run it. | 13:24 |
| jjfrv8 | If I run it anyway, it works. | 13:25 |
| jjfrv8 | A couple of errors and lots of warnings showing in the terminal. | 13:26 |
| elfy | permission errors - they make sense to me - you're not running it as root and it's after root stuff | 13:27 |
| jjfrv8 | ok. The errors are "root:Could not find any typelib for Dbusmenu" and same thing for "Unity" | 13:29 |
| elfy | debconf: DbDriver "passwords" warning: could not open /var/cache/debconf/passwords.dat: Permission denied | 13:30 |
| elfy | and I see those errors and the warning | 13:30 |
| jjfrv8 | yup | 13:31 |
| elfy | I'm glad someone I know sees the same thing - I hate when you get a confirmation and have no idea who it is :p | 13:32 |
| brainwash | same here, but it did restart | 13:32 |
| jjfrv8 | Here's that warning I get every time I run update manager now: imagebin.org/273088 | 13:47 |
| jjfrv8 | Never mind. I see why that is. | 13:50 |
| elfy | pebkac ? | 13:51 |
| elfy | :) | 13:51 |
| jjfrv8 | ? | 13:52 |
| elfy | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pebkac#Acronyms_and_other_names_for_a_user_error | 13:53 |
| jjfrv8 | that's the one. :( | 13:53 |
| elfy | happens all the time here :) | 13:54 |
| jjfrv8 | bbl | 13:58 |
| ochosi | elfy: i can confirm that bug as well. restart doesn't work | 15:14 |
| ochosi | brainwash: that bug exactly confirms what was said earlier: ubuntu transitions to new systems too quickly and sometimes a bit recklessly | 15:15 |
| ochosi | although you can argue that this is not LTS so they can experiment and fix it for 14.04 | 15:16 |
| elfy | thanks ochosi | 15:27 |
| elfy | I've subscribed us to it now | 15:27 |
| ochosi | thanks | 15:28 |
| micahcowan | laptop lid suspends, no matter what I tell it in the settings manager. | 16:06 |
| micahcowan | Installed via USB startup disk, but /home is a separate partition, so any existing user config from previous (raring) install would be carried over, if that's part of the problem. | 16:07 |
| micahcowan | (this is probably wrong chan, which is right? is there a #xubuntu+1 or similar? apologies for the noise) | 16:08 |
| brainwash | micahcowan: edit /etc/systemd/logind.conf | 16:09 |
| micahcowan | Tried that... do I also have to run some "service restart foo" thing to get it respected, or ought that to have "just worked"? | 16:09 |
| micahcowan | And, if it doesn't work, does that mean the problem lies with g-s-d rather than systemd/logind? | 16:09 |
| micahcowan | (HandleLidSwitch=ignore) | 16:10 |
| brainwash | and you removed the '#' also, right? | 16:10 |
| ochosi | micahcowan: with settings-manager, you're referring to the powermanager's settings, right? | 16:10 |
| micahcowan | yes | 16:10 |
| micahcowan | nm about g-s-d, that'd be gnome-specific wouldn't it :D | 16:11 |
| brainwash | indeed | 16:11 |
| micahcowan | Does the powermanager setting store somewhere under ~/.config or something? I'd be happy to blow that away and reload the settings, in case it's having issues with differences in text format between raring and saucy, or something... | 16:12 |
| ochosi | no, that's in an xml file | 16:12 |
| micahcowan | and yes, I removed the #. Is it reread automatically by logind, or do I need to "bump" it? | 16:12 |
| ochosi | you can use the "settings editor" to double-check on the config | 16:12 |
| ochosi | bbl | 16:13 |
| micahcowan | IIRC, some select boxes were "blank", rather than having the proper settings, so I have a suspicion the XML format for those settings may have changed... where are they located? | 16:13 |
| micahcowan | (but even after setting them properly, they don't seem to be taking effect) | 16:14 |
| brainwash | regarding logind, check the output of "gdbus introspect --system --dest org.freedesktop.login1 --object-path /org/freedesktop/login1 --only-properties" | 16:16 |
| micahcowan | Hm, appears to be suspend | 16:17 |
| micahcowan | Okay, got it | 16:18 |
| micahcowan | Did "sudo service systemd-logind restart", and now those readings look right | 16:19 |
| micahcowan | ...and laptop lid didn't kill my xchat session, so that's a good sign :) | 16:19 |
| micahcowan | now, is it still a sign of "something wrong" that logind's settings get used directly, rather than xfce4-power-manager-settings handling things when it's running? | 16:20 |
| micahcowan | And, for my future reference, is there a support channel for development releases, so I'm not pestering developers in the development channel next time... | 16:21 |
| brainwash | nothing is actually wrong, it's not configured properly | 16:21 |
| micahcowan | Thanks for your help | 16:21 |
| brainwash | yea, try #ubuntu+1 | 16:21 |
| micahcowan | They'll handle Xubuntu-ish questions too, then? (I realize that logind is general, but xfce4-power-manager-settings isn't, and my understanding is that the desktop power manager is meant to trump logind, or something... at least from the banter on Malone) | 16:22 |
| brainwash | well, logind is new and still no integrated fully | 16:23 |
| brainwash | apps still rely on upower instead of calling logind | 16:25 |
| brainwash | it will be sorted soon, but sadly not in time for the final release of 13.10 | 16:26 |
| micahcowan | Ah, that's good information to have. | 16:26 |
| micahcowan | Yeah, no big surprise there. Maybe it'll make it into 13.10.1. | 16:26 |
| micahcowan | So long as I have the workaround... it was getting damned annoying losing my ssh and IM and all that, every time I close my lid :) ...I really appreciate the help. | 16:27 |
| brainwash | 13.10 is somewhat like a experimental ground for the next LTS release | 16:27 |
| brainwash | glad we could help you :) | 16:28 |
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| Unit193 | Well crap, shouldn't have updated. | 19:07 |
| knome | hm? | 19:07 |
| elfy | I found that once | 19:09 |
| Unit193 | It's doing fairly good at showing the desktop background, but not much else. Crash on startup, dbus-daemon... | 19:12 |
| Unit193 | And xfce4-power-manager. Also a random permission denied message, but don't know what for. | 19:12 |
| Unit193 | Okay.... So downloaded https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dbus/1.6.12-0ubuntu6 and seems to be working now... | 20:13 |
| Unit193 | Ah, the other computer hasn't updated to the new one, it's still on 7. Can anyone confirm that 8 does "bad things" with them? | 20:14 |
| brainwash | 8 is addressing some apparmor issues | 20:20 |
| brainwash | so disable apparmor temporary | 20:22 |
| Unit193 | That's what the changelog said, yeah. I downgraded, worked. | 20:23 |
| brainwash | time to file a bug report | 20:25 |
| Unit193 | But it's not hit you? | 20:25 |
| brainwash | I'm behind with updates, so still on 7 | 20:28 |
| Unit193 | Oh gosh I'm terrible with reports. :/ Bug #1237059 | 20:43 |
| ubottu | Error: Launchpad bug 1237059 could not be found | 20:43 |
| * Unit193 wonders how long it'll take before it gets marked "invalid" | 20:46 | |
| brainwash | does the report even exist? | 20:48 |
| Unit193 | Yes, something marked it as "Private" | 20:49 |
| brainwash | oh, does it contain private data? | 20:50 |
| Unit193 | Thought apport retracer was going to do something. It has some logs which seemed fine, and a dump I didn't open. | 20:52 |
| brainwash | So I guess I'll wait before updating dbus :D | 20:53 |
| Unit193 | Nooo, update and confirm! :P | 20:53 |
| brainwash | I better don't mess with dbus anymore | 20:57 |
| DJJeff | Thunar and mousepad keep freezing and locking up due to libglib2.0-0 (2.38.0) | 21:14 |
| bluesabre | jjfrv8: what questions do you have? | 22:19 |
| Unit193 | brainwash: Marked https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1237059 public now, retracer took too long and nobody else was sub'd. | 22:38 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 1237059 in dbus (Ubuntu) "dbus-daemon crashed with SIGSEGV" [Undecided,New] | 22:38 |
| brainwash | bookmarked it (just in case I'll need it tomorrow after grabbing the dbus update) | 22:43 |
| brainwash | ochosi: check the last comment https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=70237 | 22:48 |
| ubottu | Freedesktop bug 70237 in general "logind: Allow active session to hibernate while other sessions are active" [Normal,New] | 22:48 |
| brainwash | ochosi: it's ok for the active user to reboot/shutdown and suspend while other sessions are running, but not to hibernate | 22:50 |
| ochosi | brainwash: yeah, hf discussing with poettering ;) | 22:52 |
| brainwash | ochosi: he did change the policy for restarting almost instantly though | 22:54 |
| ochosi | yeah, not sure why | 22:55 |
| brainwash | and I still don't know why ubuntu reports that the user is not allowed to hibernate.. | 22:55 |
| brainwash | what the heck did canonical implement?! :) | 22:55 |
| ochosi | i'd just ask them (=the desktop team) | 22:56 |
| brainwash | oh, by the way, did you find a minute or so to compile appfinder (git or with that one gdbus commit)? | 22:57 |
| ochosi | hm sorry not yet | 22:58 |
| ochosi | a mix between not having time and having forgotten about it, tbh | 22:58 |
| brainwash | just wait until you open the appfinder next time... the 5sec delay will remind you of this for sure :) | 22:59 |
| ochosi | hehe | 23:00 |
| ochosi | well i use the workaround currently ;) | 23:00 |
| ochosi | i thought it'd be more convenient to do that, and to ask nick to do a 4.11 release of appfinder asap the next time i see him online | 23:00 |
| brainwash | is he busy? | 23:03 |
| ochosi | (i thought that was what we silently agreed on) | 23:03 |
| ochosi | well, i guess for one he started focussing on other things in his life, which is fair enough | 23:03 |
| ochosi | and the other issue is he works a lot | 23:03 |
| ochosi | or has to | 23:03 |
| brainwash | hopefully he can find some time to fix this https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10395 | 23:04 |
| ubottu | bugzilla.xfce.org bug 10395 in General "Terminal crashes when opening the encoding submenu" [Normal,New] | 23:04 |
| brainwash | because I feel the urge to try again and debug this strange segfault | 23:04 |
| brainwash | it deserves to be fixed before the final release (or shortly after) | 23:08 |
| brainwash | desktop team -> #ubuntu-desktop ? | 23:09 |
| ochosi | yeah, i'd say so | 23:13 |
| ochosi | although not everyone in that channel might be in the team | 23:13 |
| knome | well most probably not. | 23:16 |
| ochosi | yeah, i was being sarcastic ;) | 23:20 |
| Unit193 | ...There's a 'scroll window up' button now too? 0_o | 23:41 |
| ochosi | ? | 23:42 |
| ochosi | you mean in xfwm4? | 23:42 |
| Unit193 | Yeah, so weird. | 23:43 |
| ochosi | it was always available, but it's not there by default | 23:43 |
| Unit193 | https://www.dropbox.com/s/78vavqy4kbvdwyr/weird-buttons.png?m welp, didn't update the theme. :P | 23:44 |
| ochosi | every xfwm4 theme can decide/define in the theme file what buttons should be there | 23:47 |
| Unit193 | brainwash: Dangit, looks like it's my kernel. >_< | 23:47 |
| brainwash | Unit193: o.o | 23:51 |
| brainwash | ochosi: bug 1237134 | 23:51 |
| ubottu | bug 1237134 in Ubuntu "[needs-packaging] light-locker -- lightdm-based session locker" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1237134 | 23:51 |
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