[00:04] ochosi: bug 1196752 makes me think "what the heck is goind on?!" [00:04] bug 1196752 in systemd-shim (Ubuntu) "Suspend only works once when using upower with logind -- s-shim needs to call /lib/systemd/system-sleep/*" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1196752 [00:05] ah, so nm relies on upower which relies on logind... [00:06] screw this mess :) [07:03] hi guys [07:03] morning olbi [07:03] again in my Xubu 13.10 Beta doesn't work restart button after upgrades :P [08:19] Does anyone know how to enable 256 in saucy's xfce4-terminal? [08:20] Setting the normal compatibility (xterm-256color) will not work, complains about not finding the correct info from /etc/termcap (which is correct, as there is no such file). [08:25] Hmm... ok, so it is there by default, but still my weechat looks off. [08:48] Right, just needed to export a $TERM, so that ssh knew about it. === davmor2_ is now known as davmor2 [10:06] olbi: does the shutdown button work? [10:06] normal button works [10:07] but after updates, when dialog option for restart appears, that button doesn't work [10:07] i will check it one more time, in new machine [10:08] ok, so it's the update-manager [10:09] bug 1232363 [10:09] bug 1232363 in update-manager (Ubuntu) "Update Manager Restart button fails on xubuntu" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1232363 [10:09] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-manager/+bug/1232363 [10:09] ninja'd by brainwash [10:10] just found this report, is it really xubuntu-specific? [10:10] no idea tbh brainwash - I forgot I posted it [10:12] did the button fail or the did the system fail to restart after pressing the button? [10:12] press the button - nothing happens [10:13] got an oldish ubuntu iso - will try that in a vm [10:21] brainwash: thx for the bug :) [10:29] brainwash: restarted ok in ubuntu [10:36] olbi: any error messages in ~/.cache/upstart/startxfce4.log ? [10:37] ideally you would need to check the log file after pressing the button [10:38] or start the update-manager inside a terminal window to get the error output [10:39] only xfce4-indicator-plugin errors [10:43] just doing that in the vm - hopefully it'll be looking for a restart [10:43] without any information other than "button does not work" it will take some time to find out why it fails :( [10:43] if there will be some updates that need restart then I will save the errors [10:45] brainwash: ok - so pressing restart pointlessly - adds nothing to startxfce4.log [10:46] and starting it inside a terminal window? [10:47] update-manager I think [10:48] says nothing after the button is pressed [10:50] I'll leave the vm open in the same state in case you can think of anything to check [10:54] though it does give this in terminal - when it starts - "warning: could not open /var/cache/debconf/passwords.dat: Permission Denied" [10:54] but that makes sense as at that point it's not had a password [11:07] bluesabre: yep - did that - works fine - commented in bug 1193621 [11:07] bug 1193621 in parole (Ubuntu) "parole crashed with SIGSEGV in parole_plugin_player_finalize()" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1193621 [11:07] thanks elfy [11:08] no - thank you :) [11:08] dvd support seems messed up in 13.10 [11:08] there is no /dev/dvd [11:09] and symlinking it to sr0 doesn't make it work for totem or parole [11:09] though vlc figures it out [11:10] i've always had the same problems with that [11:10] i mean, with parole, and other apps as well [11:11] this is the first time for me, it's always worked pre-13.10 [11:11] that's why I'm using VLC :D [11:11] think that's something that should be fixed on a larger scale; eg. if /dev/dvd doesn't work, and a dvd is recognised, it should be created so it works [11:12] agreed [11:14] elfy: used update-manager to fetch the latest updates and the restart button did trigger a restart of my system, so I can't confirm this issue [11:17] mmm [11:17] odd then [11:19] brainwash: you did that in a vanilla install or in one you've been fiddling - another reason I wish I'd remembered this morning, then I'd have done it in a vanilla and this one [11:21] elfy: my test installation (2 weeks old already, bloated with every DE and all the top 100 applications) [11:21] I'd assumed so :) [11:22] same issue on this - fiddled about with things over the last couple of weeks - so no idea if doing so clears the issue [11:25] it seems to only to affect a small range of users (2?) [11:28] at the moment :p [11:29] I know I tend to actually only use update manager now and again to test it [11:29] I'd imagine lots of people update/grade with apt-get [11:30] at least lots of those during pre-release [11:32] posting it on the forum see if anyone else see's it === yofel_ is now known as yofel [13:04] elfy, I me too'd bug 1232363. I saw it during by b2 testing, but thought I had mis-clicked something so I didn't report it. [13:04] bug 1232363 in update-manager (Ubuntu) "Update Manager Restart button fails on xubuntu" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1232363 [13:06] bluesabre, I've been playing with the Parole docs on docuwiki and have a couple of questions. [13:06] jjfrv8: ta [13:17] maybe dbus related, but update-manager should throw a timeout error in case there is a communication problem [13:23] Just ran update-manager from the terminal. Called for a restart. It won't. [13:24] I also had a problem right after launching it. It said it couldn't download the repository information and to check my internet connection. [13:24] That's happened the last few times I've run it. [13:25] If I run it anyway, it works. [13:26] A couple of errors and lots of warnings showing in the terminal. [13:27] permission errors - they make sense to me - you're not running it as root and it's after root stuff [13:29] ok. The errors are "root:Could not find any typelib for Dbusmenu" and same thing for "Unity" [13:30] debconf: DbDriver "passwords" warning: could not open /var/cache/debconf/passwords.dat: Permission denied [13:30] and I see those errors and the warning [13:31] yup [13:32] I'm glad someone I know sees the same thing - I hate when you get a confirmation and have no idea who it is :p [13:32] same here, but it did restart [13:47] Here's that warning I get every time I run update manager now: imagebin.org/273088 [13:50] Never mind. I see why that is. [13:51] pebkac ? [13:51] :) [13:52] ? [13:53] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pebkac#Acronyms_and_other_names_for_a_user_error [13:53] that's the one. :( [13:54] happens all the time here :) [13:58] bbl [15:14] elfy: i can confirm that bug as well. restart doesn't work [15:15] brainwash: that bug exactly confirms what was said earlier: ubuntu transitions to new systems too quickly and sometimes a bit recklessly [15:16] although you can argue that this is not LTS so they can experiment and fix it for 14.04 [15:27] thanks ochosi [15:27] I've subscribed us to it now [15:28] thanks [16:06] laptop lid suspends, no matter what I tell it in the settings manager. [16:07] Installed via USB startup disk, but /home is a separate partition, so any existing user config from previous (raring) install would be carried over, if that's part of the problem. [16:08] (this is probably wrong chan, which is right? is there a #xubuntu+1 or similar? apologies for the noise) [16:09] micahcowan: edit /etc/systemd/logind.conf [16:09] Tried that... do I also have to run some "service restart foo" thing to get it respected, or ought that to have "just worked"? [16:09] And, if it doesn't work, does that mean the problem lies with g-s-d rather than systemd/logind? [16:10] (HandleLidSwitch=ignore) [16:10] and you removed the '#' also, right? [16:10] micahcowan: with settings-manager, you're referring to the powermanager's settings, right? [16:10] yes [16:11] nm about g-s-d, that'd be gnome-specific wouldn't it :D [16:11] indeed [16:12] Does the powermanager setting store somewhere under ~/.config or something? I'd be happy to blow that away and reload the settings, in case it's having issues with differences in text format between raring and saucy, or something... [16:12] no, that's in an xml file [16:12] and yes, I removed the #. Is it reread automatically by logind, or do I need to "bump" it? [16:12] you can use the "settings editor" to double-check on the config [16:13] bbl [16:13] IIRC, some select boxes were "blank", rather than having the proper settings, so I have a suspicion the XML format for those settings may have changed... where are they located? [16:14] (but even after setting them properly, they don't seem to be taking effect) [16:16] regarding logind, check the output of "gdbus introspect --system --dest org.freedesktop.login1 --object-path /org/freedesktop/login1 --only-properties" [16:17] Hm, appears to be suspend [16:18] Okay, got it [16:19] Did "sudo service systemd-logind restart", and now those readings look right [16:19] ...and laptop lid didn't kill my xchat session, so that's a good sign :) [16:20] now, is it still a sign of "something wrong" that logind's settings get used directly, rather than xfce4-power-manager-settings handling things when it's running? [16:21] And, for my future reference, is there a support channel for development releases, so I'm not pestering developers in the development channel next time... [16:21] nothing is actually wrong, it's not configured properly [16:21] Thanks for your help [16:21] yea, try #ubuntu+1 [16:22] They'll handle Xubuntu-ish questions too, then? (I realize that logind is general, but xfce4-power-manager-settings isn't, and my understanding is that the desktop power manager is meant to trump logind, or something... at least from the banter on Malone) [16:23] well, logind is new and still no integrated fully [16:25] apps still rely on upower instead of calling logind [16:26] it will be sorted soon, but sadly not in time for the final release of 13.10 [16:26] Ah, that's good information to have. [16:26] Yeah, no big surprise there. Maybe it'll make it into 13.10.1. [16:27] So long as I have the workaround... it was getting damned annoying losing my ssh and IM and all that, every time I close my lid :) ...I really appreciate the help. [16:27] 13.10 is somewhat like a experimental ground for the next LTS release [16:28] glad we could help you :) === Maplez is now known as Maple__ === Maple__ is now known as Guest68440 [19:07] Well crap, shouldn't have updated. [19:07] hm? [19:09] I found that once [19:12] It's doing fairly good at showing the desktop background, but not much else. Crash on startup, dbus-daemon... [19:12] And xfce4-power-manager. Also a random permission denied message, but don't know what for. [20:13] Okay.... So downloaded https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dbus/1.6.12-0ubuntu6 and seems to be working now... [20:14] Ah, the other computer hasn't updated to the new one, it's still on 7. Can anyone confirm that 8 does "bad things" with them? [20:20] 8 is addressing some apparmor issues [20:22] so disable apparmor temporary [20:23] That's what the changelog said, yeah. I downgraded, worked. [20:25] time to file a bug report [20:25] But it's not hit you? [20:28] I'm behind with updates, so still on 7 [20:43] Oh gosh I'm terrible with reports. :/ Bug #1237059 [20:43] Error: Launchpad bug 1237059 could not be found [20:46] * Unit193 wonders how long it'll take before it gets marked "invalid" [20:48] does the report even exist? [20:49] Yes, something marked it as "Private" [20:50] oh, does it contain private data? [20:52] Thought apport retracer was going to do something. It has some logs which seemed fine, and a dump I didn't open. [20:53] So I guess I'll wait before updating dbus :D [20:53] Nooo, update and confirm! :P [20:57] I better don't mess with dbus anymore [21:14] Thunar and mousepad keep freezing and locking up due to libglib2.0-0 (2.38.0) [22:19] jjfrv8: what questions do you have? [22:38] brainwash: Marked https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1237059 public now, retracer took too long and nobody else was sub'd. [22:38] Ubuntu bug 1237059 in dbus (Ubuntu) "dbus-daemon crashed with SIGSEGV" [Undecided,New] [22:43] bookmarked it (just in case I'll need it tomorrow after grabbing the dbus update) [22:48] ochosi: check the last comment https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=70237 [22:48] Freedesktop bug 70237 in general "logind: Allow active session to hibernate while other sessions are active" [Normal,New] [22:50] ochosi: it's ok for the active user to reboot/shutdown and suspend while other sessions are running, but not to hibernate [22:52] brainwash: yeah, hf discussing with poettering ;) [22:54] ochosi: he did change the policy for restarting almost instantly though [22:55] yeah, not sure why [22:55] and I still don't know why ubuntu reports that the user is not allowed to hibernate.. [22:55] what the heck did canonical implement?! :) [22:56] i'd just ask them (=the desktop team) [22:57] oh, by the way, did you find a minute or so to compile appfinder (git or with that one gdbus commit)? [22:58] hm sorry not yet [22:58] a mix between not having time and having forgotten about it, tbh [22:59] just wait until you open the appfinder next time... the 5sec delay will remind you of this for sure :) [23:00] hehe [23:00] well i use the workaround currently ;) [23:00] i thought it'd be more convenient to do that, and to ask nick to do a 4.11 release of appfinder asap the next time i see him online [23:03] is he busy? [23:03] (i thought that was what we silently agreed on) [23:03] well, i guess for one he started focussing on other things in his life, which is fair enough [23:03] and the other issue is he works a lot [23:03] or has to [23:04] hopefully he can find some time to fix this https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10395 [23:04] bugzilla.xfce.org bug 10395 in General "Terminal crashes when opening the encoding submenu" [Normal,New] [23:04] because I feel the urge to try again and debug this strange segfault [23:08] it deserves to be fixed before the final release (or shortly after) [23:09] desktop team -> #ubuntu-desktop ? [23:13] yeah, i'd say so [23:13] although not everyone in that channel might be in the team [23:16] well most probably not. [23:20] yeah, i was being sarcastic ;) [23:41] ...There's a 'scroll window up' button now too? 0_o [23:42] ? [23:42] you mean in xfwm4? [23:43] Yeah, so weird. [23:43] it was always available, but it's not there by default [23:44] https://www.dropbox.com/s/78vavqy4kbvdwyr/weird-buttons.png?m welp, didn't update the theme. :P [23:47] every xfwm4 theme can decide/define in the theme file what buttons should be there [23:47] brainwash: Dangit, looks like it's my kernel. >_< [23:51] Unit193: o.o [23:51] ochosi: bug 1237134 [23:51] bug 1237134 in Ubuntu "[needs-packaging] light-locker -- lightdm-based session locker" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1237134